[highflyer0Participant]

 I usually try to stay away from making bold statements after watching one game, because it’s easy to get caught up in the moment.  However, Embiid has completely dominated the number 9 team in the country.  Wiggins has been nonexistant and I think that it is pretty clear that Embiid is the most important player on this team.  His footwork is spectacular and his post moves are raw but show great potential.  His defense is aboslutely spectucular.  After watching this performance, I have no idea how a GM will pass on this guy for the number 1 overall pick.  It’s still early in the season, but I don’t know if anyone can play well enough to negate the potential that Embiid is showing right now. 

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 This dude is a real game changer in the paint. The crazy thing is the NBA trainers are going to make him bigger,stronger and more athletic. 

I could see him getting drafted by the Magic and becoming a dominate center then leave to go sign with the Lakers lol sound familiar?

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 This dude is a real game changer in the paint. The crazy thing is the NBA trainers are going to make him bigger,stronger and more athletic. 

I could see him getting drafted by the Magic and becoming a dominate center then leave to go sign with the Lakers lol sound familiar?

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

I’ve seen about 3 or 4 of Kansas’s games this year and can honestly say that Joel Embiid has me thinking he is going to be the number one pick in the draft this year. I’ve been a big fan of Andrew Wiggins/Jabari Parker since their high school days but am starting to join the Embiid team as of late. He just has such as natural feel for the game and with his limited playing experience, it’s even more mind-blowing how good he is. This Oklahoma State game has only furthered my beliefs that he will be the best big man in the league in five years.

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

I’ve seen about 3 or 4 of Kansas’s games this year and can honestly say that Joel Embiid has me thinking he is going to be the number one pick in the draft this year. I’ve been a big fan of Andrew Wiggins/Jabari Parker since their high school days but am starting to join the Embiid team as of late. He just has such as natural feel for the game and with his limited playing experience, it’s even more mind-blowing how good he is. This Oklahoma State game has only furthered my beliefs that he will be the best big man in the league in five years.

[Ghost01Participant]

I wonder how salty Wiggins is that he’s completely stolen the spotlight from him? Both of them being on the same team makes it realllly tough for anyone to make an argument for Wiggins. He’s just not assertive. I could see someone picking Parker over Embiid, just because I do think there is some risk with Embiid, but overall I agree he is the No.1 pick. I would just be worried his offensive game never gets to a "dominant" point, but I wouldn’t put it past him. 

[Ghost01Participant]

I wonder how salty Wiggins is that he’s completely stolen the spotlight from him? Both of them being on the same team makes it realllly tough for anyone to make an argument for Wiggins. He’s just not assertive. I could see someone picking Parker over Embiid, just because I do think there is some risk with Embiid, but overall I agree he is the No.1 pick. I would just be worried his offensive game never gets to a "dominant" point, but I wouldn’t put it past him. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Crazy that most people, including myself, thought Wiggins going #1 was a sure thing in November but after today I’m finally convinced Embiid will take that top spot. There were stretches of the game that I forgot Wiggins was even on the team. 1-5 shooting with 5 rebs without taking a free throw is certainly disappointing against their biggest competition in the Big 12. Embiid owned the paint today.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Crazy that most people, including myself, thought Wiggins going #1 was a sure thing in November but after today I’m finally convinced Embiid will take that top spot. There were stretches of the game that I forgot Wiggins was even on the team. 1-5 shooting with 5 rebs without taking a free throw is certainly disappointing against their biggest competition in the Big 12. Embiid owned the paint today.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Marcus Smart really impressed me despite a poor shooting night he was still an assist away from a triple double and helped bring his team down to a possession from winning despite their 2nd best player fouling out. Smart was in the middle of all the action all day and his leadership skills were on display as the refs weren’t doing them any favors and his teammates were letting their emotions get the best of them. He’s solidifying a top 5 pick for me.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Marcus Smart really impressed me despite a poor shooting night he was still an assist away from a triple double and helped bring his team down to a possession from winning despite their 2nd best player fouling out. Smart was in the middle of all the action all day and his leadership skills were on display as the refs weren’t doing them any favors and his teammates were letting their emotions get the best of them. He’s solidifying a top 5 pick for me.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Yeah, its between Embid and Parker for number one. Wiggins still has upside, but hes too quiet and not aggressive right now..

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Yeah, its between Embid and Parker for number one. Wiggins still has upside, but hes too quiet and not aggressive right now..

[Ghost01Participant]

 Completely agree TGM….Wiggins undoubtably has upside, but he has not lived up to the hype at all. He has good games, but overall, he just isn’t aggressive, and his skill set just isn’t there.

And understand, I’m not saying Wiggins isn’t a good prospect or hasn’t had his moments, but the reason he is still going 1 or 2 is only because of preseason expectations. He has shown absolutely nothing to prove he is a better NBA prospect than Embiid or Parker. 

 He could end up in the Smart/Exum/Randle conversation. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 Completely agree TGM….Wiggins undoubtably has upside, but he has not lived up to the hype at all. He has good games, but overall, he just isn’t aggressive, and his skill set just isn’t there.

And understand, I’m not saying Wiggins isn’t a good prospect or hasn’t had his moments, but the reason he is still going 1 or 2 is only because of preseason expectations. He has shown absolutely nothing to prove he is a better NBA prospect than Embiid or Parker. 

 He could end up in the Smart/Exum/Randle conversation. 

[highflyer0Participant]

 I’m really glad that you pointed that out about Smart.  I was worried people were going to start complaining about how bad his shooting was and how he’s a bust etc.  I thought his passing was terrific and he showed me that he can be a great point guard rather than just a great combo guard.  Also, he blew by his defender multiple times, and wouldve had many more buckets if it weren’t for the presence of Embiid.  Marcus Smart actually reminded me a bit of Deron Williams.  That may sound odd, but that’s what I saw today.  Obviously he has a long way to go to become the shooter that Williams is but I wouldn’t put it past him.

[highflyer0Participant]

 I’m really glad that you pointed that out about Smart.  I was worried people were going to start complaining about how bad his shooting was and how he’s a bust etc.  I thought his passing was terrific and he showed me that he can be a great point guard rather than just a great combo guard.  Also, he blew by his defender multiple times, and wouldve had many more buckets if it weren’t for the presence of Embiid.  Marcus Smart actually reminded me a bit of Deron Williams.  That may sound odd, but that’s what I saw today.  Obviously he has a long way to go to become the shooter that Williams is but I wouldn’t put it past him.

[drpg913Participant]

 This thing is swaying game by game. Its college they’re all still learning. The game before this one against Iowa State on the road Wiggins had a monster game this game he was quiet. Its going to happen. I still don’t think It’s a shoe in that any of these guys leave after this year. Def Randle and Smart but everybody else is still up in the air.

They’d be better served to stay just because NBA basketball has become a joke in recent years. College basketball is having a great year and will be even better if they stay for another year plus it just seems to be more fun to play college ball.

Look at all the scrutiny they go through now. A game ago Wiggins was back in the running for the number 1 pick now people are picking him apart again. Its bad enough the amount of people that do it now, imagine taking criticism from ESPN analyst and TNT analyst every night. 

Can’t we just enjoy watching competitive games without over analyzing every missed shot or turnover? Let’s get back to talking about the teams instead of talking about the players. It’s been a very good college basketball lets be thankful since the NBA has been shit all year.

[drpg913Participant]

 This thing is swaying game by game. Its college they’re all still learning. The game before this one against Iowa State on the road Wiggins had a monster game this game he was quiet. Its going to happen. I still don’t think It’s a shoe in that any of these guys leave after this year. Def Randle and Smart but everybody else is still up in the air.

They’d be better served to stay just because NBA basketball has become a joke in recent years. College basketball is having a great year and will be even better if they stay for another year plus it just seems to be more fun to play college ball.

Look at all the scrutiny they go through now. A game ago Wiggins was back in the running for the number 1 pick now people are picking him apart again. Its bad enough the amount of people that do it now, imagine taking criticism from ESPN analyst and TNT analyst every night. 

Can’t we just enjoy watching competitive games without over analyzing every missed shot or turnover? Let’s get back to talking about the teams instead of talking about the players. It’s been a very good college basketball lets be thankful since the NBA has been shit all year.

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 First I would like to say I am huge Wiggins fan but I would still draft Embiid #1 overall. I am not blaming Self but he does very little to help his wing players score. If you think of guys he has sent to nba its thomas robinson, morris twins, cole adrich etc. Wings are essentially 3 point shooters. Creating for yourself is what you need to be able to do. If you rewatch the the game or other games they really do not run any plays for Wiggins or Seldon for that matter. It was the same thing I said about Mclemore last year. If a team plays tight zone or just pack it in there are zero driving lanes. Self runs a double post so lane is always clogged. Wiggins has inconsitent shot and he is driving into 3 playerss minimum everytime. They run no isolations for him and he does touch ball everytime down. Embiid is focal of offence second would be Ellis when he is on floor 3rd is whatever pg is on floor Wiggins and Seldon are 4 and 5. Self has not altered one thing for any wing player he has, He runs same offence no matter what players he has. Wiggins in another offence where he is featured shows much better. Right now he and Seldon have to hunt for shot in offense they are not plays run for them to take advantage of their skills.

[chocboywndrParticipant]

 First I would like to say I am huge Wiggins fan but I would still draft Embiid #1 overall. I am not blaming Self but he does very little to help his wing players score. If you think of guys he has sent to nba its thomas robinson, morris twins, cole adrich etc. Wings are essentially 3 point shooters. Creating for yourself is what you need to be able to do. If you rewatch the the game or other games they really do not run any plays for Wiggins or Seldon for that matter. It was the same thing I said about Mclemore last year. If a team plays tight zone or just pack it in there are zero driving lanes. Self runs a double post so lane is always clogged. Wiggins has inconsitent shot and he is driving into 3 playerss minimum everytime. They run no isolations for him and he does touch ball everytime down. Embiid is focal of offence second would be Ellis when he is on floor 3rd is whatever pg is on floor Wiggins and Seldon are 4 and 5. Self has not altered one thing for any wing player he has, He runs same offence no matter what players he has. Wiggins in another offence where he is featured shows much better. Right now he and Seldon have to hunt for shot in offense they are not plays run for them to take advantage of their skills.

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 I like Embiid.  I think that big men (Centers[7’0]) are rare to find in todays NBA.  GM’s should always try build around big men because they are a dime a dozen nowadays.  Not saying that Wiggins/Parker are a cornerstone player, but big men with those attributes are hard to come by in todays NBA.

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 I like Embiid.  I think that big men (Centers[7’0]) are rare to find in todays NBA.  GM’s should always try build around big men because they are a dime a dozen nowadays.  Not saying that Wiggins/Parker are a cornerstone player, but big men with those attributes are hard to come by in todays NBA.

[MopgrassParticipant]

The last three games he’s shown why he’s worth #1. In that time he’s become the focal point of the offense, has learned how to deal with the double team, thrown some great passes, and has had three technical fouls.

The aggressiveness is what’s making the difference.

[MopgrassParticipant]

The last three games he’s shown why he’s worth #1. In that time he’s become the focal point of the offense, has learned how to deal with the double team, thrown some great passes, and has had three technical fouls.

The aggressiveness is what’s making the difference.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 is that he has almost no bad habits.  All his post moves can work at the NBA level.  His go-to moves down there are great and he has an impressive variety as well.  His shooting mechanics are good and he is a better shooter than the vast majority of freshmen centers.  He has great passing insticts and always has his head up in the post, looking for the pass to make.  His shot selection is great and he doesn’t ever take contested jumpers.

He keeps the ball high in the post and on offensive rebounds and his balance and touch do not suffer as a result. He not only wants the ball, but actually works to present his guards with an angle at which to pass the ball and has a great intuitive understanding of positioning.  He has shown a very cerebral nature on the court, slipping screens and patiently waiting for his teammates to get open off the ball.

He also has a great motor and runs the floor well and sets good screens.  He also is an excellent instinctive defender and does a great job maintaining verticality, which is especially important at the NBA level.

Embiid still needs to get stronger, improve his focus on defense and eliminate silly fouls, but he is very advanced for a freshmen center at every apsect of the game.  He isn’t guaranteed to become an all-star, but he has all the foundational skills of a dominant center.  His game should translate very well to the NBA because he has no major flaws that will be exposed at the NBA level.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 is that he has almost no bad habits.  All his post moves can work at the NBA level.  His go-to moves down there are great and he has an impressive variety as well.  His shooting mechanics are good and he is a better shooter than the vast majority of freshmen centers.  He has great passing insticts and always has his head up in the post, looking for the pass to make.  His shot selection is great and he doesn’t ever take contested jumpers.

He keeps the ball high in the post and on offensive rebounds and his balance and touch do not suffer as a result. He not only wants the ball, but actually works to present his guards with an angle at which to pass the ball and has a great intuitive understanding of positioning.  He has shown a very cerebral nature on the court, slipping screens and patiently waiting for his teammates to get open off the ball.

He also has a great motor and runs the floor well and sets good screens.  He also is an excellent instinctive defender and does a great job maintaining verticality, which is especially important at the NBA level.

Embiid still needs to get stronger, improve his focus on defense and eliminate silly fouls, but he is very advanced for a freshmen center at every apsect of the game.  He isn’t guaranteed to become an all-star, but he has all the foundational skills of a dominant center.  His game should translate very well to the NBA because he has no major flaws that will be exposed at the NBA level.

[jwall1Participant]

 I would not solidify Embiid going #1. If the Orlando Magic get the number one pick, do you think they will completely disregard Nick Vucevic and pass up on Smart or Parker? I think he is making a legitimate case to be the number one pick, but he still has alot to prove. I think if a team like the Bucks, Sixers, or Cavs need a center, than Embiid would be a justifiable pick at number 1, but if a team like Orlando, Utah, or Sacramento get the number one pick I think it would be foolish to take a gamble on a center that may not ever develop into an allstar. I think after this game Wiggins’ chance at going #1 is slim, and I really think it will be between Smart, Embiid and Parker. Disregarding Smarts shooting today, he did everything else out there and proved he can be a legit pg, something a team like Orlando, Sacramento, and Milwaukee would benefit on. He could even IMO play the 2 and fit in with any of these teams in contention for the #1 pick pretty well. Jabari on the other hand, is Jabari….. The hype train for Embiid is a tad bit too much. If he had a post game and motor like Julius Randle, than the all the hype he gets would be justifiable…

[jwall1Participant]

 I would not solidify Embiid going #1. If the Orlando Magic get the number one pick, do you think they will completely disregard Nick Vucevic and pass up on Smart or Parker? I think he is making a legitimate case to be the number one pick, but he still has alot to prove. I think if a team like the Bucks, Sixers, or Cavs need a center, than Embiid would be a justifiable pick at number 1, but if a team like Orlando, Utah, or Sacramento get the number one pick I think it would be foolish to take a gamble on a center that may not ever develop into an allstar. I think after this game Wiggins’ chance at going #1 is slim, and I really think it will be between Smart, Embiid and Parker. Disregarding Smarts shooting today, he did everything else out there and proved he can be a legit pg, something a team like Orlando, Sacramento, and Milwaukee would benefit on. He could even IMO play the 2 and fit in with any of these teams in contention for the #1 pick pretty well. Jabari on the other hand, is Jabari….. The hype train for Embiid is a tad bit too much. If he had a post game and motor like Julius Randle, than the all the hype he gets would be justifiable…

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Embiid has a much better chance of becoming an all-star than Smart or Randle.  And I’m not sure Randle has a better post game or motor than Embiid.  Embiid certainly runs the floor better than Randle and is a much better off-ball player.  Randle, despite his reputation as an energy guy, is a really lazy screener and mostly relies on strength, not activity level off-the-ball.  And Embiid already has better post moves than Randle.  Randle is stronger right now, but when Embiid’s frame fills out, he will be scary.

I love Smart’s intensity and instincts.  He is an absolute gamer.  But I would be shocked if he went 1st in this draft.  He just has too many flaws.  His shot selection is terrible, his mechanics aren’t great, although the ridiculous sway he gets on his shot does lead to him getting fouled often, he is overly reliant on his strength advantage to get into the lane, and he is a little too focused on trying to draw fouls.  He plays tremendously hard and really has great court sense, but I don’t think he goes ahead of Embiid, Wiggins or Parker.  Maybe if Wiggins disappoints the rest of the year, but I doubt it.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Embiid has a much better chance of becoming an all-star than Smart or Randle.  And I’m not sure Randle has a better post game or motor than Embiid.  Embiid certainly runs the floor better than Randle and is a much better off-ball player.  Randle, despite his reputation as an energy guy, is a really lazy screener and mostly relies on strength, not activity level off-the-ball.  And Embiid already has better post moves than Randle.  Randle is stronger right now, but when Embiid’s frame fills out, he will be scary.

I love Smart’s intensity and instincts.  He is an absolute gamer.  But I would be shocked if he went 1st in this draft.  He just has too many flaws.  His shot selection is terrible, his mechanics aren’t great, although the ridiculous sway he gets on his shot does lead to him getting fouled often, he is overly reliant on his strength advantage to get into the lane, and he is a little too focused on trying to draw fouls.  He plays tremendously hard and really has great court sense, but I don’t think he goes ahead of Embiid, Wiggins or Parker.  Maybe if Wiggins disappoints the rest of the year, but I doubt it.

[jwall1Participant]

Embiid has just as many faults as Smart and some of the other prospects. Do you see the foul trouble he’s been getting in? He’s averaging 3.6 fouls per game in 22 minutes. If he can’t improve on this aspect of the game he will not be able to play enough minutes to make a big impact and be an allstar center. As his mpg has increased so have his turnovers, and with how minimally the ball is in his hands he should not be turning it over at the rate he has been doing lately. I commend him on his rapid improvement and good defense, but he is still raw and IMO no way the consensus number 1 pick. And also, there is no way his post game is better than Randle’s. I think for a guy like Embiid it is alot easier to dominate like he has in college in comparison to being in the NBA. In the NBA he will be matched up with 7’0 centers every night, so I think the learning curve for him will be a lot steeper than the some of the other top prospects.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Randle will be matched up with bigger guys too.  Embiid will still have a reach advantage on his defenders in the NBA; Randle will have a reach disadvantage almost every game.

Embiid doesn’t have as many faults as the other prospects.  You named two.  He turns the ball over more than he should.  Randle is even more TO prone.  And Embiid’s TOs are more correctable.  The offensive fouls won’t get called as much in the NBA.  

Randle’s lack of rim protection and lateral quickness are harder to correct.  The low release on his shots out of the post is next-to-impossible to correct.  His bringing the ball down low and bulling through defenders can be effective, but it is more flawed than Embiid’s approach in the post.

Smart’s lack of quickness and ability to get separation from his defender at the rim are hard to correct.  The same goes for his shot selection.

Embiid is foul prone right now, but almost all college rim protectors are.  He maintains verticality well and rotates well.  He wouldn’t get in foul trouble if he played defense like Randle does.

Embiid needs to get better at hanging on to the ball in traffic, which is mostly a product of physical strength.  He also needs to learn to avoid technicals and silly fouls.  His flaws are really mostly just due to inexperience, rather than bad habits.  Randle and Smart have significant question marks about how their games translate to the NBA; I think they will be very productive NBA players, but they have weaknesses that aren’t going away.  Embiid’s foul and TO issues are not necessarily here to stay.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Randle will be matched up with bigger guys too.  Embiid will still have a reach advantage on his defenders in the NBA; Randle will have a reach disadvantage almost every game.

Embiid doesn’t have as many faults as the other prospects.  You named two.  He turns the ball over more than he should.  Randle is even more TO prone.  And Embiid’s TOs are more correctable.  The offensive fouls won’t get called as much in the NBA.  

Randle’s lack of rim protection and lateral quickness are harder to correct.  The low release on his shots out of the post is next-to-impossible to correct.  His bringing the ball down low and bulling through defenders can be effective, but it is more flawed than Embiid’s approach in the post.

Smart’s lack of quickness and ability to get separation from his defender at the rim are hard to correct.  The same goes for his shot selection.

Embiid is foul prone right now, but almost all college rim protectors are.  He maintains verticality well and rotates well.  He wouldn’t get in foul trouble if he played defense like Randle does.

Embiid needs to get better at hanging on to the ball in traffic, which is mostly a product of physical strength.  He also needs to learn to avoid technicals and silly fouls.  His flaws are really mostly just due to inexperience, rather than bad habits.  Randle and Smart have significant question marks about how their games translate to the NBA; I think they will be very productive NBA players, but they have weaknesses that aren’t going away.  Embiid’s foul and TO issues are not necessarily here to stay.

[jwall1Participant]

Embiid has just as many faults as Smart and some of the other prospects. Do you see the foul trouble he’s been getting in? He’s averaging 3.6 fouls per game in 22 minutes. If he can’t improve on this aspect of the game he will not be able to play enough minutes to make a big impact and be an allstar center. As his mpg has increased so have his turnovers, and with how minimally the ball is in his hands he should not be turning it over at the rate he has been doing lately. I commend him on his rapid improvement and good defense, but he is still raw and IMO no way the consensus number 1 pick. And also, there is no way his post game is better than Randle’s. I think for a guy like Embiid it is alot easier to dominate like he has in college in comparison to being in the NBA. In the NBA he will be matched up with 7’0 centers every night, so I think the learning curve for him will be a lot steeper than the some of the other top prospects.

[omphalosParticipant]

I remember when I said earlier in the season that if I was the Celtics I’d take Embiid 1st overall because we needed size and everyone lost their minds.

Now we actually need the 1st overall pick to get him, I just hope we get lucky in the lottery!

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

I remember when I said earlier in the season that if I was the Celtics I’d take Embiid 1st overall because we needed size and everyone lost their minds.

Now we actually need the 1st overall pick to get him, I just hope we get lucky in the lottery!

 

 

[Ghost01Participant]

 It is fair to say that it’s premature to anoint any picks. All it takes is someone like Parker to have a great tourney and everyone feels differently. Embiid has been hot lately

[Ghost01Participant]

 It is fair to say that it’s premature to anoint any picks. All it takes is someone like Parker to have a great tourney and everyone feels differently. Embiid has been hot lately

[Scott42444Participant]

…until the draft order is determined.  This draft is considered deep in potential all-star talent, and there are some considerations depending on who gets the #1.  Would Utah pass on a future All-Star who is also Mormon at #1?  Would Orlando take a big man when one of the biggest pieces they recieved from trading their 2nd franchise center ever in Vuc?

But I USED to always say when all things are equal, you go with the big guy.  But, I have been wrong too MANY times by sticking to this philosophy, like Oden (who did have injury concerns before the draft) over Durant (who was one of the best college freshman of all-time).  I believe alot of GM’s subscribe to this theory as well.  There is such a lack of franchise centers (helping this to become the "golden age" of PG’s) that the NBA game has actually changed a bit.  If you took a poll of the best centers in the NBA, names like Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah, and Roy Hibbert would be in the conversation and they don’t have an especially dominant offensive game (to be nice).  If I were an NBA GM and I had the 1st pick, and I were a smaller market team like Milwaukee, I would go with the player who I felt had the highest overall ceiling regardless of position.  I don’t see how they would pass on Wiggins, especially when they have some money already invested in big men, to pair with Giannis and add a bit of star power to their franchise (if their scouting department really believes he has a chance to reach "elite" status).  Of course, there is a chance that a guy like Wiggins could slip out of the Top 3 after the tournament.  What happens if Randle or Smart just has a DOMINANT NCAA tournament?  It happens every year.  Especially with Wiggins playing on a team with most likely 4 or 5 1st round picks on it.

  

[Scott42444Participant]

…until the draft order is determined.  This draft is considered deep in potential all-star talent, and there are some considerations depending on who gets the #1.  Would Utah pass on a future All-Star who is also Mormon at #1?  Would Orlando take a big man when one of the biggest pieces they recieved from trading their 2nd franchise center ever in Vuc?

But I USED to always say when all things are equal, you go with the big guy.  But, I have been wrong too MANY times by sticking to this philosophy, like Oden (who did have injury concerns before the draft) over Durant (who was one of the best college freshman of all-time).  I believe alot of GM’s subscribe to this theory as well.  There is such a lack of franchise centers (helping this to become the "golden age" of PG’s) that the NBA game has actually changed a bit.  If you took a poll of the best centers in the NBA, names like Marc Gasol, Joakim Noah, and Roy Hibbert would be in the conversation and they don’t have an especially dominant offensive game (to be nice).  If I were an NBA GM and I had the 1st pick, and I were a smaller market team like Milwaukee, I would go with the player who I felt had the highest overall ceiling regardless of position.  I don’t see how they would pass on Wiggins, especially when they have some money already invested in big men, to pair with Giannis and add a bit of star power to their franchise (if their scouting department really believes he has a chance to reach "elite" status).  Of course, there is a chance that a guy like Wiggins could slip out of the Top 3 after the tournament.  What happens if Randle or Smart just has a DOMINANT NCAA tournament?  It happens every year.  Especially with Wiggins playing on a team with most likely 4 or 5 1st round picks on it.

  

[t-loveParticipant]

 Just imagine the length, defense, and transition play with Giannis, Henson, and Embiid as your front line of the future. Scary, isn’t it?

[t-loveParticipant]

 Just imagine the length, defense, and transition play with Giannis, Henson, and Embiid as your front line of the future. Scary, isn’t it?

[Sewok15Participant]

That would be quite the Big 3 and pretty much the antithesis of the old Big 3 in Milwaukee of Sam Cassell, Big Dog and Ray Allen coached by George Karl. They couldn’t defend anybody but they could really score.

Nobody really wants to see any good players go to Milwaukee…because it’s the Bucks. I would prefer to see Embiid in Philly, Orlando or even Cleveland. The Bucks are so bad they clearly will get a good player in the draft…I just hope they get pushed back to fourth.

[Sewok15Participant]

That would be quite the Big 3 and pretty much the antithesis of the old Big 3 in Milwaukee of Sam Cassell, Big Dog and Ray Allen coached by George Karl. They couldn’t defend anybody but they could really score.

Nobody really wants to see any good players go to Milwaukee…because it’s the Bucks. I would prefer to see Embiid in Philly, Orlando or even Cleveland. The Bucks are so bad they clearly will get a good player in the draft…I just hope they get pushed back to fourth.

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I’m not against Embiid to the Bucks, but I think they NEED a point guard, but if they did pick Embiid, do we trade away Larry? He’s already expressed dissatisfaction with getting low minutes (I think he complained when he was getting 24 mpg). How would you balance those minutes between getting embiid exposure and getting larry (as well as ersan and henson) appropriate minutes? 

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I’m not against Embiid to the Bucks, but I think they NEED a point guard, but if they did pick Embiid, do we trade away Larry? He’s already expressed dissatisfaction with getting low minutes (I think he complained when he was getting 24 mpg). How would you balance those minutes between getting embiid exposure and getting larry (as well as ersan and henson) appropriate minutes? 

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Yeah I’m thinking Embiid is the #1 pick at the moment.  His upside is ridiculous.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Yeah I’m thinking Embiid is the #1 pick at the moment.  His upside is ridiculous.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 I feel like this is going to end up like Harrison Barnes with all this Wiggins hate, everyone starts over analysing him because he was overhyped and then he falls much further then who should and people are kicking themselves a few years later. Wiggins is still a game changing talent all he has to do is be more aggresive.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 I feel like this is going to end up like Harrison Barnes with all this Wiggins hate, everyone starts over analysing him because he was overhyped and then he falls much further then who should and people are kicking themselves a few years later. Wiggins is still a game changing talent all he has to do is be more aggresive.

[Ghost01Participant]

 Who is kicking themselves? Kyrie Irving, from his recruiting class, is still better then him, and its not like New Orleans is thinking they shouldn’t have picked Anthony Davis over him. Barnes isn’t a superstar, but he is a solid NBA player. I don’t think anyone here thinks Wiggins will amount to less than a solid NBA player. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 Who is kicking themselves? Kyrie Irving, from his recruiting class, is still better then him, and its not like New Orleans is thinking they shouldn’t have picked Anthony Davis over him. Barnes isn’t a superstar, but he is a solid NBA player. I don’t think anyone here thinks Wiggins will amount to less than a solid NBA player. 

[omphalosParticipant]

 Charlotte is kicking themselves, for one. There’s no chance he goes after MKG in a re-draft.

It is similar to Barnes, I called this months ago when people started negging Wiggins after his first couple of games.

However, while I still think Wiggins is a great prospect, Embiid has flat-out won the top spot with his play and potential.

[Ghost01Participant]

 So who was wrong about Barnes?

 

he was a preseason all American as a freshman, anointed as the next big thing, and he’s an okay nba player who’s averaged around 10 PPG. Maybe you are right about Charlotte, but earlier this year when MKG was healthy, they were winning games because of how awesome their defense was. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 So who was wrong about Barnes?

 

he was a preseason all American as a freshman, anointed as the next big thing, and he’s an okay nba player who’s averaged around 10 PPG. Maybe you are right about Charlotte, but earlier this year when MKG was healthy, they were winning games because of how awesome their defense was. 

[omphalosParticipant]

 Charlotte is kicking themselves, for one. There’s no chance he goes after MKG in a re-draft.

It is similar to Barnes, I called this months ago when people started negging Wiggins after his first couple of games.

However, while I still think Wiggins is a great prospect, Embiid has flat-out won the top spot with his play and potential.

[jwall1Participant]

Yea well all of these top prospects are "game changing talents" also….

[jwall1Participant]

Yea well all of these top prospects are "game changing talents" also….

[TyroberParticipant]

 I am so disappointed in Wiggins. I don’t see how Embiid doesn’t go before him at this point. I wonder how Wiggins feels though after Embiid has completely outshined him.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I am so disappointed in Wiggins. I don’t see how Embiid doesn’t go before him at this point. I wonder how Wiggins feels though after Embiid has completely outshined him.

[lalailaParticipant]

oooohhh it’s been so long since I was able to post there…and that happened in a such a great season for a draft..

 

finally I can say my feelings.. I believe Joel Embiid is a star in making for sure..

every single game he shows something new it’s scary.. a had him top10 thinking he is one of those rebounders/shot blockers who had ‘potential’ .. but then he showed that footwork and post moves which one day will be one of the best in the league..finishing ability is there too..

but after that when he started to make jumpshot and even made one three.. when he started to show that he might be one of the better passing bigs one day too.. it’s too good to denie even in this draft..

I mean tell me why he can’t be 20ppg scorer and more, while having like 4assists per game in his prime..and at the time he looks like automatic double double guy who can average 3 blocks one day..

 

Him and Mr.Anthony Davis are different but still with some similar abilities..I’m not trying to compare him to one of the best freshman ever but his per-32min stats lookslike 16ppg11rpg2apg 3.5bpg or something yes kansas isn’t dominant like that UK team but still when it’s pretty comparable to AD’s 14ppg10rpg5bpg and potential is about equal that means something 

[lalailaParticipant]

oooohhh it’s been so long since I was able to post there…and that happened in a such a great season for a draft..

 

finally I can say my feelings.. I believe Joel Embiid is a star in making for sure..

every single game he shows something new it’s scary.. a had him top10 thinking he is one of those rebounders/shot blockers who had ‘potential’ .. but then he showed that footwork and post moves which one day will be one of the best in the league..finishing ability is there too..

but after that when he started to make jumpshot and even made one three.. when he started to show that he might be one of the better passing bigs one day too.. it’s too good to denie even in this draft..

I mean tell me why he can’t be 20ppg scorer and more, while having like 4assists per game in his prime..and at the time he looks like automatic double double guy who can average 3 blocks one day..

 

Him and Mr.Anthony Davis are different but still with some similar abilities..I’m not trying to compare him to one of the best freshman ever but his per-32min stats lookslike 16ppg11rpg2apg 3.5bpg or something yes kansas isn’t dominant like that UK team but still when it’s pretty comparable to AD’s 14ppg10rpg5bpg and potential is about equal that means something 

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