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- Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:12am #31834
ag-pennypackerParticipantI was talking about this the other day with someone about whether or not having non-guaranteed contracts might help the NBA’s image. The NBA is America’s 3rd most popular sport and I think a lot of that has to do with the way people see the players. Obviously some of that is race related, the NBA is a league where about 85% of the players are african american and I believe that there is a subset of people in the USA that really bothers even though they wouldn’t say so publicly. There really isn’t anything that can be done about if people are racist they are pretty much going to be racist you’re not going to rationalise them out of that because it isn’t rational in the first place.
From a PR standpoint the NBA has the worst salary structure of any of the major three sports teams. First off the NBA is like the NFL in that rookies have the ability to make a lot of money before they have proven anything at the professional level. The NFL allows players to have an even bigger salary however a percentage of that salary can be dumped in the player is a bust. In MLB players need to work through the arbitration process for years before getting a chance at free agency so you have a good idea of what the player is worth.
In the NBA if you make a mistake it is almost impossible to recover from until the team is able to shed the salary. If you’ve got Gilbert Arenas on your team pulling down 45% of the team salary cap and there is no way you can pull that person off your books that is going to create a lot of anomosity towards the players because that happens a decent amount in the NBA; get ready for Joe Johnson’s contract near the end. In the NFL only part of that salary would be guaranteed so it wouldn’t kill your teams ability to make improvements, you could cut the player and move on. In the MLB there isn’t really a salary cap so you can make a couple mistakes if you have the revenue.
I’m not saying any of this is really right or wrong but I’m saying from a PR standpoint having guaranteed contracts that have the ability to cost your team 40% or more of your team’s salary cap can bring a lot of animosity from the fans when the player doesn’t live up to the contract. This happens a lot and it seems baseball and football both have a better way of dealing with this issue than the NBA does.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:14am #571739
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantI’m just going to disregard your entire first paragraph..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:14am #571603
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantI’m just going to disregard your entire first paragraph..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:21am #571745
aamir543ParticipantHow does the guy have 3 points already? Its been 5 mintes, and this thread only has 10 views, not to mention how frickin long it would take to read that.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:21am #571608
aamir543ParticipantHow does the guy have 3 points already? Its been 5 mintes, and this thread only has 10 views, not to mention how frickin long it would take to read that.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:22am #571749
ag-pennypackerParticipantI didn’t write this to highlight the race issue but I do think that is a part of why the NBA isn’t as popular as the other two major sports in the USA. I just felt for completness I would put that in there because I like that plays a role in how the players are seen, but I more wanted to see what people thought about the guaranteed contracts. And not whether they are right or wrong but how they help or hurt the league from a PR standpoint.0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:22am #571612
ag-pennypackerParticipantI didn’t write this to highlight the race issue but I do think that is a part of why the NBA isn’t as popular as the other two major sports in the USA. I just felt for completness I would put that in there because I like that plays a role in how the players are seen, but I more wanted to see what people thought about the guaranteed contracts. And not whether they are right or wrong but how they help or hurt the league from a PR standpoint.0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:24am #571751
aamir543ParticipantNevermind, this was a good read, but I don’t think race has anything to do with it.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:24am #571614
aamir543ParticipantNevermind, this was a good read, but I don’t think race has anything to do with it.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:26am #571755
Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant"I do think that is a part of why the NBA isn’t as popular as the other two major sports in the USA"
The NBA is not as popular because 85% of the league are African-Americans? You are completely laughable… I love basketball but it will never be on the same level as baseball and football, simply because of the historical ties both sports have with the country. Football is America’s sport and baseball is Amerca’s past-time.
I don’t care if there are 450 Vanilla Ice’s in the NBA, it will never be more popular than the other two big sports… And it’s NOT because of race.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:26am #571618
Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant"I do think that is a part of why the NBA isn’t as popular as the other two major sports in the USA"
The NBA is not as popular because 85% of the league are African-Americans? You are completely laughable… I love basketball but it will never be on the same level as baseball and football, simply because of the historical ties both sports have with the country. Football is America’s sport and baseball is Amerca’s past-time.
I don’t care if there are 450 Vanilla Ice’s in the NBA, it will never be more popular than the other two big sports… And it’s NOT because of race.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:26am #571757
aamir543ParticipantFact- The NBA has highest average salary per player
Guess which league is 2nd?
The INDIAN Premier League!(More commonly known as the IPL.)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:26am #571620
aamir543ParticipantFact- The NBA has highest average salary per player
Guess which league is 2nd?
The INDIAN Premier League!(More commonly known as the IPL.)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:27am #571759
aamir543ParticipantYeah, nice post, but race irrelevant.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:27am #571622
aamir543ParticipantYeah, nice post, but race irrelevant.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:29am #571761
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantHow is race irrelevant in this thread? He’s basically saying that NBA players should have non-guaranteed contracts because they make too much money and American’s do not like to see African-American’s succeed monetarily.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:29am #571624
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantHow is race irrelevant in this thread? He’s basically saying that NBA players should have non-guaranteed contracts because they make too much money and American’s do not like to see African-American’s succeed monetarily.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:30am #571763
aamir543ParticipantWell, what I meant was, that the race part of his post didn’t make any sense.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:30am #571626
aamir543ParticipantWell, what I meant was, that the race part of his post didn’t make any sense.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:36am #571771
ag-pennypackerParticipantTongue-Out-Like-23 I didn’t say anything about you personally, I like the NBA and I actually like the NBA more than MLB or NFL, I actually don’t like the NFL at all but am a MLB fan. That being said from my point of view it does play a role, if you think race plays no role whatsoever in what goes on anywhere that is a nieve viewpoint to take. I also could be wrong who knows that is just my view point. I guess I’m lucky I am a person of little consequence because I’d be on Tongue-Out-Like-23’s race neurtal enemy list. LOL0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:36am #571634
ag-pennypackerParticipantTongue-Out-Like-23 I didn’t say anything about you personally, I like the NBA and I actually like the NBA more than MLB or NFL, I actually don’t like the NFL at all but am a MLB fan. That being said from my point of view it does play a role, if you think race plays no role whatsoever in what goes on anywhere that is a nieve viewpoint to take. I also could be wrong who knows that is just my view point. I guess I’m lucky I am a person of little consequence because I’d be on Tongue-Out-Like-23’s race neurtal enemy list. LOL0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:40am #571773
ag-pennypackerParticipantbad idea to bring up anything race related. I was trying to say the NBA players aren’t viewed as favorably by the public as the other two major sports leagues. I was trying to see if people thought the salary situation had anything to do with that. I get it though race, religion, politics terrible topics to bring up in a forum.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:40am #571636
ag-pennypackerParticipantbad idea to bring up anything race related. I was trying to say the NBA players aren’t viewed as favorably by the public as the other two major sports leagues. I was trying to see if people thought the salary situation had anything to do with that. I get it though race, religion, politics terrible topics to bring up in a forum.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:47am #571775
aamir543ParticipantI believe race and the salary part of that are two different situations, and are not really related at all.
But yes, even if you were to bring up somthing similar to this that was true, you would still get negative feedback because of it involving race, but you did bring up a coupl good points though.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:47am #571638
aamir543ParticipantI believe race and the salary part of that are two different situations, and are not really related at all.
But yes, even if you were to bring up somthing similar to this that was true, you would still get negative feedback because of it involving race, but you did bring up a coupl good points though.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 8:15am #571662
RUDEBOY_ParticipantRating rise..Basketball pull in better numbers than baseball..Baseball has most of the summer months all to itself.And the numbers are still dismal..But if Basketball goes into a lockout for over a year..It’ll have a much harder time recuperating than football and baseball,if they did the same thing……
Some teams are still feeling the effects of the last lockout…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 8:15am #571800
RUDEBOY_ParticipantRating rise..Basketball pull in better numbers than baseball..Baseball has most of the summer months all to itself.And the numbers are still dismal..But if Basketball goes into a lockout for over a year..It’ll have a much harder time recuperating than football and baseball,if they did the same thing……
Some teams are still feeling the effects of the last lockout…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 8:21am #571666
RUDEBOY_ParticipantIts Laughable that you would suggest that the players union will agree to having players playing on non guaranteed contracts…There are 14 new owners in the nba since the last lockout..And owners are paying 3 times more than their counterparts did in the 90’s….They wouldnt risk their investments on the chance of getting sued if players are injured..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 8:21am #571804
RUDEBOY_ParticipantIts Laughable that you would suggest that the players union will agree to having players playing on non guaranteed contracts…There are 14 new owners in the nba since the last lockout..And owners are paying 3 times more than their counterparts did in the 90’s….They wouldnt risk their investments on the chance of getting sued if players are injured..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:07am #571694
ag-pennypackerParticipantWhen was the player’s union ever mentioned? You’re the only one to bring up the player’s union Rudeboy. I was talking in general. Hooked on phonics works for dimwits!!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:07am #571833
ag-pennypackerParticipantWhen was the player’s union ever mentioned? You’re the only one to bring up the player’s union Rudeboy. I was talking in general. Hooked on phonics works for dimwits!!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:15am #571700
RUDEBOY_Participant^^Dude, your the dimwit…Nobody will agree to that BS you’re Suggesting….its INSANE To ever POST THAT BS
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:15am #571839
RUDEBOY_Participant^^Dude, your the dimwit…Nobody will agree to that BS you’re Suggesting….its INSANE To ever POST THAT BS
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:21am #571704
ag-pennypackerParticipantIt’s insane to ask if the NBA has a worse salary structure than the MLB or NFL? Learn to read then post something. It’s not like I’m rallying the troops here I was asking what people thought.
How does someone as ignorant as you remember that you need to breath to live???? I would have thought you’d forget that right after birth. It’s a miracle you’ve made it this far!!!!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:21am #571843
ag-pennypackerParticipantIt’s insane to ask if the NBA has a worse salary structure than the MLB or NFL? Learn to read then post something. It’s not like I’m rallying the troops here I was asking what people thought.
How does someone as ignorant as you remember that you need to breath to live???? I would have thought you’d forget that right after birth. It’s a miracle you’ve made it this far!!!!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:23am #571710
RUDEBOY_ParticipantLMAO^ At the pennypacker
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:23am #571849
RUDEBOY_ParticipantLMAO^ At the pennypacker
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:24am #571712
aamir543ParticipantEasy there ladies, you wouldn’t want to break a nail.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:24am #571851
aamir543ParticipantEasy there ladies, you wouldn’t want to break a nail.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:31am #571718
RUDEBOY_Participantyou might be too young to remember when NBA games were played on tape delay..Even the Finals were shown after the late local news..But by the mid 80’s nba basketball started to boom..and baseball went down in the eyes of television viewers..Then the Lakers signed Magic to that huge deal,that opened alot of people eyes and bought more attention to the league..soon every owner wanted to sign their players to major deals..Unlike football and baseball Some nba players are more marketable & bigger than their teams, in a way..That why the nba salaries got out of hand…You cant blame players for getting what they can…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:31am #571857
RUDEBOY_Participantyou might be too young to remember when NBA games were played on tape delay..Even the Finals were shown after the late local news..But by the mid 80’s nba basketball started to boom..and baseball went down in the eyes of television viewers..Then the Lakers signed Magic to that huge deal,that opened alot of people eyes and bought more attention to the league..soon every owner wanted to sign their players to major deals..Unlike football and baseball Some nba players are more marketable & bigger than their teams, in a way..That why the nba salaries got out of hand…You cant blame players for getting what they can…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:33am #571720
cward23ParticipantShouldn’t be guaranteed. they should use the NFL salary scale
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:33am #571859
cward23ParticipantShouldn’t be guaranteed. they should use the NFL salary scale
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:37am #571730
ag-pennypackerParticipantI said abstractly would it help the league’s PR if they had a salary structure more like the MLB or NFL.
If I gave you a bus schedule would you do the world a favor and make sure to step infront of one? Bigger question would you be able to follow it? They are kind of difficult to read probably at a 4th grade level.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:37am #571869
ag-pennypackerParticipantI said abstractly would it help the league’s PR if they had a salary structure more like the MLB or NFL.
If I gave you a bus schedule would you do the world a favor and make sure to step infront of one? Bigger question would you be able to follow it? They are kind of difficult to read probably at a 4th grade level.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:39am #571740
RUDEBOY_Participantpennypacker why do u keep giving yourself a point after you post something?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:39am #571879
RUDEBOY_Participantpennypacker why do u keep giving yourself a point after you post something?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:40am #571742
ag-pennypackerParticipantI recognize you now. You’re the reason no child left behind failed. No one could offset your test scores!!!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:40am #571881
ag-pennypackerParticipantI recognize you now. You’re the reason no child left behind failed. No one could offset your test scores!!!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:41am #571744
ag-pennypackerParticipantyou worthless bunt
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:41am #571883
ag-pennypackerParticipantyou worthless bunt
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:43am #571748
aamir543ParticipantForget 1 point, if you ask me, he is on 3 different account, giving himself thumbs up and others thumbs down.
When I saw this thread 5 minutes after it was posted, TOL23 had 3 negs and Penny had 3 positives, coincidence?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:43am #571887
aamir543ParticipantForget 1 point, if you ask me, he is on 3 different account, giving himself thumbs up and others thumbs down.
When I saw this thread 5 minutes after it was posted, TOL23 had 3 negs and Penny had 3 positives, coincidence?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:47am #571758
ag-pennypackerParticipantlove forums
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:47am #571897
ag-pennypackerParticipantlove forums
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:47am #571762
aamir543ParticipantI know
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:47am #571902
aamir543ParticipantI know
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:50am #571906
aamir543ParticipantAnd I advise you not to give yourself a point everytime. If you ask me, it makes you lose credibility for your work, and If people notice you do that, they will give you negs.
(For the record I haven’t negged you once, in fact a gave you a coupld points.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:50am #571766
aamir543ParticipantAnd I advise you not to give yourself a point everytime. If you ask me, it makes you lose credibility for your work, and If people notice you do that, they will give you negs.
(For the record I haven’t negged you once, in fact a gave you a coupld points.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:54am #571916
ag-pennypackerParticipantWTF are you talking about? Better phrasing please because I hope you don’t consider this work.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:54am #571776
ag-pennypackerParticipantWTF are you talking about? Better phrasing please because I hope you don’t consider this work.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:54am #571918
ag-pennypackerParticipant+1
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:54am #571777
ag-pennypackerParticipant+1
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:55am #571922
cward23ParticipantYeah thats pretty obvious (three neg’s and three pos)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:55am #571781
cward23ParticipantYeah thats pretty obvious (three neg’s and three pos)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:56am #571924
aamir543Participantyour post, work, same thing! Stop nitpicking!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:56am #571783
aamir543Participantyour post, work, same thing! Stop nitpicking!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:57am #571926
aamir543ParticipantThank you Cward.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:57am #571785
aamir543ParticipantThank you Cward.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:58am #571928
aamir543ParticipantNotice how a bunch of Rudeboy’s posts have 3 negs.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 9:58am #571787
aamir543ParticipantNotice how a bunch of Rudeboy’s posts have 3 negs.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:00am #571932
ag-pennypackerParticipantThanks Edward R. Murrow you’re an American Icon. Seriously you’ll lose credibility on an anonymous internet forum?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:00am #571791
ag-pennypackerParticipantThanks Edward R. Murrow you’re an American Icon. Seriously you’ll lose credibility on an anonymous internet forum?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:02am #571934
ag-pennypackerParticipantIn the right light you look like a retard? No wait that’s all the time. NM
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:02am #571793
ag-pennypackerParticipantIn the right light you look like a retard? No wait that’s all the time. NM
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:05am #571936
aamir543ParticipantDude, I am not even negging you and your acting as we are all against you. You act like a b!tch one more time and I’ll get my goons after you!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:05am #571795
aamir543ParticipantDude, I am not even negging you and your acting as we are all against you. You act like a b!tch one more time and I’ll get my goons after you!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:09am #571938
ag-pennypackerParticipantEat a dikkk Opie
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:09am #571797
ag-pennypackerParticipantEat a dikkk Opie
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:14am #571943
PlatypusParticipantfyi theres 4 major sports in the U.S.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:14am #571801
PlatypusParticipantfyi theres 4 major sports in the U.S.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:17am #571947
ag-pennypackerParticipantHockey is a bunch of neanderthals skating around on some ice.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:17am #571805
ag-pennypackerParticipantHockey is a bunch of neanderthals skating around on some ice.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:59am #572028
Sonics96FinalsParticipantNot gauranteed sh*t. The race crap, step aside. NBA owners would love to strip guarenteed contracts so that players and those who depend on them for a living can fall in line with all the other disproportionatley poor people. One blown knee and that dough is dust. It would help the league financially, it will not, help keep players in the league. Players must be secured first, then willing to SACRIFICE themselves for the sake of entertainment; and to do so without any guarantee of compensastion seems utterly senseless. The NBA would definitely hurt it’s PR image. Who cares about that? PR personality and contracts don’t come through the television, nor does it get in the way of the game once the ball is tossed in the air. Guarantee this, non-guaranteed contracts will kill the NBA and any hope of PR.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:59am #571884
Sonics96FinalsParticipantNot gauranteed sh*t. The race crap, step aside. NBA owners would love to strip guarenteed contracts so that players and those who depend on them for a living can fall in line with all the other disproportionatley poor people. One blown knee and that dough is dust. It would help the league financially, it will not, help keep players in the league. Players must be secured first, then willing to SACRIFICE themselves for the sake of entertainment; and to do so without any guarantee of compensastion seems utterly senseless. The NBA would definitely hurt it’s PR image. Who cares about that? PR personality and contracts don’t come through the television, nor does it get in the way of the game once the ball is tossed in the air. Guarantee this, non-guaranteed contracts will kill the NBA and any hope of PR.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:03pm #572032
cward23ParticipantThats why they need to go the football way. give the bonus and have the contract non-Guaranteed so if they decide to become Eddy Curry or suck like Darko they wont get paid( other than the bonus, make it in between 3-10 million depending on what the player has accomplished)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:03pm #571888
cward23ParticipantThats why they need to go the football way. give the bonus and have the contract non-Guaranteed so if they decide to become Eddy Curry or suck like Darko they wont get paid( other than the bonus, make it in between 3-10 million depending on what the player has accomplished)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:10pm #572040
HitsterParticipantTeams can have options on contracts so can players so it works both ways and several players have buyouts in their contracts for example Vince Carter this year and Chauncy Billups before NY took up his option. Rookie deals are only guaranteed for two years just ask Joe Alexander who was an 8th pick but his 3rd year option was not picked up.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:10pm #571896
HitsterParticipantTeams can have options on contracts so can players so it works both ways and several players have buyouts in their contracts for example Vince Carter this year and Chauncy Billups before NY took up his option. Rookie deals are only guaranteed for two years just ask Joe Alexander who was an 8th pick but his 3rd year option was not picked up.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:16pm #572044
aamir543ParticipantThere are 12 posts in this thread with at least 1 point, and 11 of then are Penny Packer’s.
Coincidence?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:16pm #571899
aamir543ParticipantThere are 12 posts in this thread with at least 1 point, and 11 of then are Penny Packer’s.
Coincidence?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:24pm #571958
LOFTYParticipant@aamir he just lost like 11 points from me just now! LOL
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:24pm #572104
LOFTYParticipant@aamir he just lost like 11 points from me just now! LOL
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:25pm #571962
aamir543ParticipantNah, its all good, I don’t care if you neg him, but thanks. (But give me the points!)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:25pm #572108
aamir543ParticipantNah, its all good, I don’t care if you neg him, but thanks. (But give me the points!)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:27pm #571964
LOFTYParticipantlmao! i did! but i took a few from him! i cant stand when people cant come up with a good argument so they call you a retard??!?!? i always neg people like that
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:27pm #572110
LOFTYParticipantlmao! i did! but i took a few from him! i cant stand when people cant come up with a good argument so they call you a retard??!?!? i always neg people like that
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:28pm #571966
Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant"Forget 1 point, if you ask me, he is on 3 different account, giving himself thumbs up and others thumbs down.
When I saw this thread 5 minutes after it was posted, TOL23 had 3 negs and Penny had 3 positives, coincidence?"
Yeah, I thought that too!! Glad I’m not the only one that caught it!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:28pm #572112
Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant"Forget 1 point, if you ask me, he is on 3 different account, giving himself thumbs up and others thumbs down.
When I saw this thread 5 minutes after it was posted, TOL23 had 3 negs and Penny had 3 positives, coincidence?"
Yeah, I thought that too!! Glad I’m not the only one that caught it!
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:28pm #571968
aamir543ParticipantWhile you’re at it, give everyone else a point, poor Cward got negged for speaking the truth. smh,smh
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:28pm #572114
aamir543ParticipantWhile you’re at it, give everyone else a point, poor Cward got negged for speaking the truth. smh,smh
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:31pm #571972
LOFTYParticipant🙂 thats what i did. i gave everyone points but him
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:31pm #572118
LOFTYParticipant🙂 thats what i did. i gave everyone points but him
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:32pm #571974
aamir543ParticipantI went down the thread and gave every one a point(except for myself, I find it unethical to give yourself a point) even Penny Packer, well except for the post where he called me d!ck.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:32pm #572120
aamir543ParticipantI went down the thread and gave every one a point(except for myself, I find it unethical to give yourself a point) even Penny Packer, well except for the post where he called me d!ck.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:37pm #571978
FritzParticipantI can tell you straight up that race does has to do with the NBA’s popularity. Not to a large degree but I dont know what your guys peers are like but I go to NC State University and almost everytime I bring up the NBA to a large group of people there is always someone in the group who makes a racist comment about the NBA. There are thousands of people who think the NBA is a bunch of overpaid black people. It sickens me that people are so damn ignorant and let race determine their interest in a sport but to pretend that it doesnt exist makes you also ignorant.
Toungue out like 23, Maybe you havent experienced this in your life, (its a lot more common in the south) but I run into people who just straight up were never attracted to liking the NBA because of inner racism.
Its not as popular within white southern communities because whites are a minority in the sport. If Hockey had more Black players who played the sport I feel the popularity of Hockey in the black community would also increase.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:37pm #572124
FritzParticipantI can tell you straight up that race does has to do with the NBA’s popularity. Not to a large degree but I dont know what your guys peers are like but I go to NC State University and almost everytime I bring up the NBA to a large group of people there is always someone in the group who makes a racist comment about the NBA. There are thousands of people who think the NBA is a bunch of overpaid black people. It sickens me that people are so damn ignorant and let race determine their interest in a sport but to pretend that it doesnt exist makes you also ignorant.
Toungue out like 23, Maybe you havent experienced this in your life, (its a lot more common in the south) but I run into people who just straight up were never attracted to liking the NBA because of inner racism.
Its not as popular within white southern communities because whites are a minority in the sport. If Hockey had more Black players who played the sport I feel the popularity of Hockey in the black community would also increase.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:41pm #571982
ghrghrParticipantNon-guaranteed contracts would be great for the owners and terrible for the players. They would never accept that and I think that nobody even thinks it will be in the next CBA.
Having said that, some players don’t put up the effort after signing that big contract, and that is because it is guaranteed. To be fair, a player that can stay in the league until the end of his rookie contract has made enough money for the rest of his life, so maybe guaranteeing rookie contracts (which are much less expensive) and making later contracts non guaranteed may be a good idea. (which the players will never agree to)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:41pm #572128
ghrghrParticipantNon-guaranteed contracts would be great for the owners and terrible for the players. They would never accept that and I think that nobody even thinks it will be in the next CBA.
Having said that, some players don’t put up the effort after signing that big contract, and that is because it is guaranteed. To be fair, a player that can stay in the league until the end of his rookie contract has made enough money for the rest of his life, so maybe guaranteeing rookie contracts (which are much less expensive) and making later contracts non guaranteed may be a good idea. (which the players will never agree to)
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:41pm #571984
andxxxParticipantRace does play a factor I hear people say they don’t watch hockey because its practically all white. If there were even 1 superstar black player in hockey I think its popularity would increase.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:41pm #572131
andxxxParticipantRace does play a factor I hear people say they don’t watch hockey because its practically all white. If there were even 1 superstar black player in hockey I think its popularity would increase.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:38pm #571995
Tongue-Out-Like-23Participantandxxx/Fritz
So people don’t like basketball because it’s about 75% African-American but they love football even though it’s about 70% African-American. Wow, you guys sure do have a point…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:38pm #572143
Tongue-Out-Like-23Participantandxxx/Fritz
So people don’t like basketball because it’s about 75% African-American but they love football even though it’s about 70% African-American. Wow, you guys sure do have a point…
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:40pm #571997
aamir543ParticipantYeah race is not that much of a factor although, TOL23, what percent of QBs and Kickers are white?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:40pm #572145
aamir543ParticipantYeah race is not that much of a factor although, TOL23, what percent of QBs and Kickers are white?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:49pm #572005
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantAamir
"Conversely as of the 2008 NFL Draft, 617 White quarterbacks have been drafted from the total number of 719 quarterbacks drafted for a percentage of (86%). Of the 617 White quarterbacks drafted, 128 were selected in the first round (18%) with two being converted to other positions."
http://lloydvance.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/african-american-quarterback-research-study/
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:49pm #572153
Tongue-Out-Like-23ParticipantAamir
"Conversely as of the 2008 NFL Draft, 617 White quarterbacks have been drafted from the total number of 719 quarterbacks drafted for a percentage of (86%). Of the 617 White quarterbacks drafted, 128 were selected in the first round (18%) with two being converted to other positions."
http://lloydvance.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/african-american-quarterback-research-study/
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:53pm #572011
aamir543ParticipantAll I was saying that the Public sees the starting QB, and on most football teams it is a white guy, but I wouldn’t buy that as an excuse for why basketball is not as popular.
In my onpinion, this is a sensitive topic, and I believe we should stray away from it before someone says something mean. But yes, I agree Tol23, racce has nothing to do with the NBA’s image.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:53pm #572159
aamir543ParticipantAll I was saying that the Public sees the starting QB, and on most football teams it is a white guy, but I wouldn’t buy that as an excuse for why basketball is not as popular.
In my onpinion, this is a sensitive topic, and I believe we should stray away from it before someone says something mean. But yes, I agree Tol23, racce has nothing to do with the NBA’s image.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:30pm #572238
FritzParticipantYes man I am saying that, even though football is mainly black people it still doesnt have the inner city black culture vibe that basketball has. There is still a ton of racism in football but from all my personal experiences I hear so much more racism when it comes to basketball. And in football there are many white AMERICAN stars, You see them on commercials all the time. Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and Tom Brady have gotten more attention in the sport than any other players.
The thing is their arent any more White American stars in the NBA today. Almost all of the good white players are international and white americans make up such a small percentage of the league and the marketing.
Making ungarenteed contract just gives those people who bitch about athletes being overpaid one less thing to bitch about. If Greg Oden isn’t being paid millions of dollars to play a few games a year because his contract would change due to injury it just gets rid of that stereotype more. But personally, I think players need garenteed contracts and this would never happen.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 07/15/2011 - 4:30pm #572089
FritzParticipantYes man I am saying that, even though football is mainly black people it still doesnt have the inner city black culture vibe that basketball has. There is still a ton of racism in football but from all my personal experiences I hear so much more racism when it comes to basketball. And in football there are many white AMERICAN stars, You see them on commercials all the time. Peyton Manning, Brett Favre and Tom Brady have gotten more attention in the sport than any other players.
The thing is their arent any more White American stars in the NBA today. Almost all of the good white players are international and white americans make up such a small percentage of the league and the marketing.
Making ungarenteed contract just gives those people who bitch about athletes being overpaid one less thing to bitch about. If Greg Oden isn’t being paid millions of dollars to play a few games a year because his contract would change due to injury it just gets rid of that stereotype more. But personally, I think players need garenteed contracts and this would never happen.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 12:01pm #572432
RUDEBOY_Participantalot of black superstar hockey players in the nhl..its just that the nhl doesnt market its players as well as the nba does..
0 - Posted on: Sat, 07/16/2011 - 12:01pm #572586
RUDEBOY_Participantalot of black superstar hockey players in the nhl..its just that the nhl doesnt market its players as well as the nba does..
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