[mixtape2003Participant]

Interesting, to see what happens here, I see a sign & trade coming out of this. Prob include Martin and Lavine, maybe add Brewer and/or Budinger

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11553530/minnesota-timberwolves-offer-eric-bledsoe-max-contract-sign-trade-phoenix-suns

[TRC1991Participant]

Somewhere, Isaiah Thomas is smiling 

[TRC1991Participant]

Somewhere, Isaiah Thomas is smiling 

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 Don’t think the Wolves are giving up Lavine. If they do, not a good move.

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 Don’t think the Wolves are giving up Lavine. If they do, not a good move.

[prophetmeirParticipant]

If iam the suns I would want lavine, Deing and bullinger also a future first round

[prophetmeirParticipant]

If iam the suns I would want lavine, Deing and bullinger also a future first round

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

And you would also have no leverage to be able to ask for all that

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

And you would also have no leverage to be able to ask for all that

[sideburn2goParticipant]

 Remember a few months ago when everyone was saying the wolves had no leverage when trying to trade their star…

[sideburn2goParticipant]

 Remember a few months ago when everyone was saying the wolves had no leverage when trying to trade their star…

[BlueLacesParticipant]

A little different situation. Kevin Love is a superstar. Eric Bledsoe isn’t close to being on that level. 

[BlueLacesParticipant]

A little different situation. Kevin Love is a superstar. Eric Bledsoe isn’t close to being on that level. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Wow pretty interesting development, Bledose has the potential to be a great player. The Wolves are going to have to give up some serious value to get him. Don’t think they want to trade Lavine but they might have to. Thad Young, Bennett, Martin, Brewer, future firsst are all possibilites. Wolves defintely have lots of young valuable assests.

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Wow pretty interesting development, Bledose has the potential to be a great player. The Wolves are going to have to give up some serious value to get him. Don’t think they want to trade Lavine but they might have to. Thad Young, Bennett, Martin, Brewer, future firsst are all possibilites. Wolves defintely have lots of young valuable assests.

[festar35Participant]

If I am them the guys I want are LaVine and Dieng. LaVine will be a solid third guard for the Suns rotation and Dieng is like an up-sized version of what Plumlee was for them last year. May throw in expiring contract of Barea as well.

[festar35Participant]

If I am them the guys I want are LaVine and Dieng. LaVine will be a solid third guard for the Suns rotation and Dieng is like an up-sized version of what Plumlee was for them last year. May throw in expiring contract of Barea as well.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 The Wolves have found their Jonny Flynn again.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 The Wolves have found their Jonny Flynn again.

[TimberTrollParticipant]

I would bet that this is Flip Saunders trying to get Rubio to sign for less. 

[TimberTrollParticipant]

I would bet that this is Flip Saunders trying to get Rubio to sign for less. 

[kngojcParticipant]

 Wouldn’t doubt it. He’s reallllly crafty. It’s great to see the Wolves having someone smart in charge of personnel. 

[kngojcParticipant]

 Wouldn’t doubt it. He’s reallllly crafty. It’s great to see the Wolves having someone smart in charge of personnel. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–suns-have-no-interest-in-eric-bledsoe-sign-and-trade-with-minnesota-214336996.html 

Suns say no to sign and trade with Wolves. Woj is about as credible source you can get. 

 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–suns-have-no-interest-in-eric-bledsoe-sign-and-trade-with-minnesota-214336996.html 

Suns say no to sign and trade with Wolves. Woj is about as credible source you can get. 

 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–suns-have-no-interest-in-eric-bledsoe-sign-and-trade-with-minnesota-214336996.html 

Suns say no to sign and trade with Wolves. Woj is about as credible source you can get. 

 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–suns-have-no-interest-in-eric-bledsoe-sign-and-trade-with-minnesota-214336996.html 

Suns say no to sign and trade with Wolves. Woj is about as credible source you can get. 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 As a Phoenix fan I’d be sad to lose Eric Bledsoe but we offered him $48 million over 4 years so would not really want to go to more than that. At the T-Wolves he’d probably be used as a scoring impact player off the bench if Flip sticks with the veteran Kevin Martin as a starter alongside Rubio. 

If the Wolves do get Bledsoe they will have some very nice depth – Rubio, Martin, Brewer, Young, Pekovic if you want a more experienced initial starting line up then Bledsoe, Wiggins, Dieng, Bennett, Budinger, LaVine, Bazz, Turiaf  as a potential bench.

I figure that if the T-Wolves look to do an S and T they might dangle some package along the lines of Bazz, their couple of 2nd rounders from this year and or a future first rounder. 

The T-Wolves would probably need to shed a contract or two as if they signed Bledsoe to $14 million plus starting deal as that would put them at about $85 million on the cap and $8/9 million into luxury tax. Factor in also an extension for Rubio for 2015 onwards and they would be possibly above luxury tax again that season.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 As a Phoenix fan I’d be sad to lose Eric Bledsoe but we offered him $48 million over 4 years so would not really want to go to more than that. At the T-Wolves he’d probably be used as a scoring impact player off the bench if Flip sticks with the veteran Kevin Martin as a starter alongside Rubio. 

If the Wolves do get Bledsoe they will have some very nice depth – Rubio, Martin, Brewer, Young, Pekovic if you want a more experienced initial starting line up then Bledsoe, Wiggins, Dieng, Bennett, Budinger, LaVine, Bazz, Turiaf  as a potential bench.

I figure that if the T-Wolves look to do an S and T they might dangle some package along the lines of Bazz, their couple of 2nd rounders from this year and or a future first rounder. 

The T-Wolves would probably need to shed a contract or two as if they signed Bledsoe to $14 million plus starting deal as that would put them at about $85 million on the cap and $8/9 million into luxury tax. Factor in also an extension for Rubio for 2015 onwards and they would be possibly above luxury tax again that season.

 

 

 

[WarblingSpamalopeParticipant]

 Mexican standoff. Who blinks? I’m starting to trust flips judgement so I’m hoping he doesn’t dump a bunch of young talent and assets to gamble. I’m tired of Rubio not improving his scoring ability though. He can’t even develop a floater to make the d pay attention when he goes to the hoop. So there is a reason to test the water. Plus Bledsoe Wiggins lavine would be insanely athletic

[WarblingSpamalopeParticipant]

 Mexican standoff. Who blinks? I’m starting to trust flips judgement so I’m hoping he doesn’t dump a bunch of young talent and assets to gamble. I’m tired of Rubio not improving his scoring ability though. He can’t even develop a floater to make the d pay attention when he goes to the hoop. So there is a reason to test the water. Plus Bledsoe Wiggins lavine would be insanely athletic

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Sounds like they may noy sign Rubio if they do this… I see Rubio going to Knicks once hes a FA… But i would think maybe Shabazz, a first and maybe Chase or Kev Martin for Bledsoe

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Sounds like they may noy sign Rubio if they do this… I see Rubio going to Knicks once hes a FA… But i would think maybe Shabazz, a first and maybe Chase or Kev Martin for Bledsoe

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Why do folks keep bringing up Shabazz? The guy can’t play. He was hyped coming into college. He was very mediocre. He got out (like Austin Rivers) before the high school hype had worn off. Smart move. He got drafted. He was very predictably bad last year. It is pretty normal. You take a very average college player, put him in the pros and he becomes a bad player. There is nothing surprising here. The guy can’t play. He is a one dimensional scorer who can’t score. He is barely even able to knock down free throws at a rate that wouldn’t be somewhat embarrasing on a junior high team (he shoots them at 65% and this is your SHOOTING GUARD?!?!).

Yet people talk about him like he is some sort of asset that will factor into the long term plans of an NBA team.  

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Why do folks keep bringing up Shabazz? The guy can’t play. He was hyped coming into college. He was very mediocre. He got out (like Austin Rivers) before the high school hype had worn off. Smart move. He got drafted. He was very predictably bad last year. It is pretty normal. You take a very average college player, put him in the pros and he becomes a bad player. There is nothing surprising here. The guy can’t play. He is a one dimensional scorer who can’t score. He is barely even able to knock down free throws at a rate that wouldn’t be somewhat embarrasing on a junior high team (he shoots them at 65% and this is your SHOOTING GUARD?!?!).

Yet people talk about him like he is some sort of asset that will factor into the long term plans of an NBA team.  

[kngojcParticipant]

 He plays more like a PF in a smaller body. But he’s made quiet strides since he was drafted and he’s been able to prove he can score when given the minutes. He’s not going to be a go-to 6th man scorer or anything, but he is decent enough at coming in for a few minutes to score a few points while giving the starters a break. 

[kngojcParticipant]

 He plays more like a PF in a smaller body. But he’s made quiet strides since he was drafted and he’s been able to prove he can score when given the minutes. He’s not going to be a go-to 6th man scorer or anything, but he is decent enough at coming in for a few minutes to score a few points while giving the starters a break. 

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 I think this deal is more so….if Rubio bolts, or doesn’t improved they won’t be left without a pg s well as get value in return for him. Rubio days in MN may be numbered

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 I think this deal is more so….if Rubio bolts, or doesn’t improved they won’t be left without a pg s well as get value in return for him. Rubio days in MN may be numbered

[benny15Participant]

 im buying the whole this is insurance for rubio’s pending free agency as well as lowering the leverage his agent has on negotiating for that extension. however, if they are able to come to terms at a price that both parties would be happy with and deem fair, i see the wolves starting both rubio and bledsoe like the suns did with goran and eric last season.

 

[benny15Participant]

 im buying the whole this is insurance for rubio’s pending free agency as well as lowering the leverage his agent has on negotiating for that extension. however, if they are able to come to terms at a price that both parties would be happy with and deem fair, i see the wolves starting both rubio and bledsoe like the suns did with goran and eric last season.

 

[goddagParticipant]

Wow guys, do we have to go through this again. The Wolves are NOT giving up Dieng and any other young star to get this trade done. Phoenix’s back is against the wall they either take what the Wolves are offering, which I would think is Shabaz and Barrea, or they lose him for nothing. Pretty plain and simple.
The only part I can’t figure out is why Minny wants two point guards that are starters. In less they are looking at trading Rubio down the road.
More exciting news for Wolves fans.
Training camp is 11 days away with a dunk off with LaVine and Wiggins. Yea baby.

[goddagParticipant]

Wow guys, do we have to go through this again. The Wolves are NOT giving up Dieng and any other young star to get this trade done. Phoenix’s back is against the wall they either take what the Wolves are offering, which I would think is Shabaz and Barrea, or they lose him for nothing. Pretty plain and simple.
The only part I can’t figure out is why Minny wants two point guards that are starters. In less they are looking at trading Rubio down the road.
More exciting news for Wolves fans.
Training camp is 11 days away with a dunk off with LaVine and Wiggins. Yea baby.

[theEDGEParticipant]

 Pekovic and Kevin Love trade  exception might be enough.

[theEDGEParticipant]

 Pekovic and Kevin Love trade  exception might be enough.

[theballerwayParticipant]

firstly 57or so million would have probably been enough, but im sure the contract is full of incentive clauses. But the main thing as mentioned is why are the doing the whole dal point guard attack thing. It works in phx because Dragic is a scorer but Rubio isn’t . Plus Lavine has been touted s a pg and played as such quite a bit in summer league. So 4 years of Bledsoe makes him(Zach) a back or a 2gd.

I can only assume the Rubio negotions are notprogressing well. In the beginning of the summer thee was talk of him/agent wanting a max deal also. I think its safe to say has not shown he is worth of such (has Bledsoe though? potential wise maybe) especially based on the WCB performance. They have been talking but not negotiating with the agent since July I read. Also the this article doesn’t give the best impression.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234944/Timberwolves-Optimistic-About-Extension-For-Ricky-Rubio

Just sounds like theyre saying the right things as usual but far from a vote of confidence.

We shall see

[theballerwayParticipant]

firstly 57or so million would have probably been enough, but im sure the contract is full of incentive clauses. But the main thing as mentioned is why are the doing the whole dal point guard attack thing. It works in phx because Dragic is a scorer but Rubio isn’t . Plus Lavine has been touted s a pg and played as such quite a bit in summer league. So 4 years of Bledsoe makes him(Zach) a back or a 2gd.

I can only assume the Rubio negotions are notprogressing well. In the beginning of the summer thee was talk of him/agent wanting a max deal also. I think its safe to say has not shown he is worth of such (has Bledsoe though? potential wise maybe) especially based on the WCB performance. They have been talking but not negotiating with the agent since July I read. Also the this article doesn’t give the best impression.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234944/Timberwolves-Optimistic-About-Extension-For-Ricky-Rubio

Just sounds like theyre saying the right things as usual but far from a vote of confidence.

We shall see

[HitsterParticipant]

 Phoenix can still match but would they want to pay several more million than they offered Bledsoe earlier in the summer. T-Wolves might see Bledsoe as an insurance policy for Rubio but a near max deal is a very expensive insurance and if Rubio regards himself as better than Bledsoe then he’d immediately want more.

Plus the T-Wolves are almost back to who they give their 5 year rookie extension to now they have got Wiggins on board, they possibly lost K-Love because of that and now could they look to hold back that deal for Wiggins.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Phoenix can still match but would they want to pay several more million than they offered Bledsoe earlier in the summer. T-Wolves might see Bledsoe as an insurance policy for Rubio but a near max deal is a very expensive insurance and if Rubio regards himself as better than Bledsoe then he’d immediately want more.

Plus the T-Wolves are almost back to who they give their 5 year rookie extension to now they have got Wiggins on board, they possibly lost K-Love because of that and now could they look to hold back that deal for Wiggins.

 

[nill650Participant]

 the timberwolves could try to move brewer and young’s expiring and get it done, but If I were the suns I would’nt want them, and honestly would’nt except anything short of pekovic and draft picks.

rubio was almost the worst shooting pg in the history of the game last year. His value is plummeted with Love gone.

the t-wolves look to have an ideal situation for bledsoe to step into,but they would be better off refusing rubios extension and trying to lure bledsoe in when he’s unrestricted if they like him that much.

At the end of the day I think they ride with rubio becoming a restristed at the end of the season with lavine and mo there already.

 

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 the timberwolves could try to move brewer and young’s expiring and get it done, but If I were the suns I would’nt want them, and honestly would’nt except anything short of pekovic and draft picks.

rubio was almost the worst shooting pg in the history of the game last year. His value is plummeted with Love gone.

the t-wolves look to have an ideal situation for bledsoe to step into,but they would be better off refusing rubios extension and trying to lure bledsoe in when he’s unrestricted if they like him that much.

At the end of the day I think they ride with rubio becoming a restristed at the end of the season with lavine and mo there already.

 

 

 

 

 

[MadDogParticipant]

 A legitimate half court post presence would make the Suns very interesting this year, I recall them trying to trade for Pau earlier this year – could the wolves swing the deal by offering Pek + veterans / picks? I guess it depends on whether the Suns want to compete for a playoff spot straight away or if they think they could still talk Bledsoe around.

As far as I’m concerned, they should just take what Minny are offering right now. The damage caused by their reluctancy to pay him has odds on created irreparable damage.

[MadDogParticipant]

 A legitimate half court post presence would make the Suns very interesting this year, I recall them trying to trade for Pau earlier this year – could the wolves swing the deal by offering Pek + veterans / picks? I guess it depends on whether the Suns want to compete for a playoff spot straight away or if they think they could still talk Bledsoe around.

As far as I’m concerned, they should just take what Minny are offering right now. The damage caused by their reluctancy to pay him has odds on created irreparable damage.

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Minnesota has all the leverage. They can trade with the Suns or dump salary somewhere else. They can also dump salary and not deal with the Suns at all. That makes it a lot harder for the Suns to get anything good in return. It also does leverage Rubio extension talks. However, they couldn’t extend Wiggins’s contract if the had Bledsoe and Rubio on max extensions. So, if not this year, next year Rubio would be gone.

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Minnesota has all the leverage. They can trade with the Suns or dump salary somewhere else. They can also dump salary and not deal with the Suns at all. That makes it a lot harder for the Suns to get anything good in return. It also does leverage Rubio extension talks. However, they couldn’t extend Wiggins’s contract if the had Bledsoe and Rubio on max extensions. So, if not this year, next year Rubio would be gone.

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