[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

The Wolves are in shambles, it’s time to completely blow it up.  With a strong draft class and the Wolves needing to finish in bottom 12 there is not point to make a push now.  I’ve been very vocal about Kevin Love and Pek’s inability to play on the same team due to neither one of their ability to move their feet or protect the rim.  Living in MN and going to a lot of games, I really am starting to get the feeling the Love likes it here and is just sick of losing and the direction of the team.  He is signed through next year so I think the focus should now be on putting this organization in a situation to really make some noise next year with upside in the future. 

The Pelicans have put their selves in a situation with the contracts of Gordan and Evans and their draft pick going to the 76ers they are no longer simply a young rebuilding team.  I realize that they won’t contend this year but their focus needs to be on getting proven players not young commodities.  At the moment they need a good ballhandler while Jrue is out.  I think what they really need is a big brute that can score down low and throw people around, this would perfectly compliment Anthony Davis.

The 76ers are clearly aiming for the number one pick.  Going into next year with whoever they get in the draft along with MCW, Noel, and IMO Thad young who should stay they may get really good really quick.  What they need however are a couple of veterans who can shoot it really well, space the court.  MCW is not an efficient shooter and most likely never will be.  I also think that as much as they are in rebuild mode a team can only have so many 19-20 year olds on it.

I don’t normally propose trade ideas but this came to mind. 3 team trade…

Wolves get Spencer Hawes, Jason Richardson, and Evan Turner, along with the 76ers later first round picks that they are getting from the Pelicans.

Pelicans get Nicola Pekovic, and JJ Barea

76ers get  Ryan Anderson, Chase Budinger, Greg Steimsma, Dante Cunningham, Jason Smith.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

How this works for all parties. 

Wolves…As noted above Love and Pek don’t compliment one another.  The Wolves here are simply auditioning Hawes and Turner, see how they play with Love and Rubio.  I think Hawes and Turner are undervalued due to the direction of the 76ers.  Its possible they come here play well and one or both are re-signed.  If not its around 13  million of the books.  I like Budinger but its time to start playing Shabaz, him and Brewer’s length and athleticism will fit well with Rubio running the court.  Wolves exchange the bad contract of Barrea for Richardson’s.  The Pelicans are looking like their pick owed to the 76ers will be outside of the top 10 so it is an asset but not as much as appeared at the beginning of the year.  Wolves after this trade most likely will stay in the top 12 and then have 2 lottery picks in a loaded draft and cap space to spend on either re-signing Hawes or Turner or other free agents.  Richardson’s contract they take on in order to make it work financially and entice the 76ers.  He most likely is waived.

Pelicans…They get their brute.  A low post presence to perfectly compliment Anthony Davis.  Pek will clear out space for Davis to operate on offense along with providing elite screening and offensive rebounding.  Davis will make-up for Pek on defense, coming with backside support to protect the rim when quicker and more athletic bigs blow by Pek.  In order to get Pek they take on Barreas near 5 mill for the remainder of this year and next.  What he will do however although I cannot stand him is give them a PG until Jrue gets back.  Moving forward a lineup of Jrue Holliday, Eric Gordan, Aminu, Davis, and Pek looks good.  Then Tyreke as a very good 6th man.  On the negative side this puts them in a spot with limited cap flexibility, however they have already put theirselves their with Gordan and Tyreke, mind as well go for it at this point.

The 76ers…They get their veteran shooters.  Budinger has been injured twice now but being it was the same injury and he has looked good as of late I wouldn’t be too concerned.  When healthy like he has been lately I feel he is worth the 5 million he is being paid and brings in a young veteran who can shoot from anywhere and spread the floor.  Nobody knows what Nerlens Noel will do offensively but I know one thing he cannot shoot long range jumpers.  Ryan Anderson is that ideal stretch four to also spread the court.  What is even better is they can shut him down for the year and continue to tank.  What really makes this deal nice for them is after taking on the long term contracts of Budinger and Anderson they get near 8 million coming off the books next year with the other players.  Trading away Turner and Hawes will almost ensure they end up with a bottom 3 record as if that wasn’t already established.  They also dump Richardson, so they are now setup with cap and a very high upside lineup next year of MCW, Wroten, Budinger, Anderson, Noel.  Add in a premier player in this loaded draft class they have maximized their plan.

I don’t toss out trade ideas often, but what the heck.  Thought I’d have some fun with in light of my depression over the Wolves.  What do you guys think?

[apb540Participant]

It’d be better off for all parties if the Wolves just traded a 1st for Turner, straight up.

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

Wolves need to keep the pick, lose and blow it up.

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

Wolves need to keep the pick, lose and blow it up.

[apb540Participant]

It’d be better off for all parties if the Wolves just traded a 1st for Turner, straight up.

[sixersman111Participant]

The sixers would never do this trade.  They wouldn’t do this trade if it had just turner in it let alone hawes and the 1st pick they got.  What makes you think we want a bunch of shitty veterans that do nothing for us while trading a 1st pick.   

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

Ryan Anderson and Budinger do nothing?  I disagree.  Turner and Hawes are gone and you get 2 potential starters one decent one good, and 8 million in cap while unloading Richardson.  You cant have a team full of 19-20 yr olds.  This was just a thought.  And the first is not a top 10 most likely so no sure bet.

[juves4783Participant]

 ryan anderson and budinger don’t play defense, rebound or do anything inside the 3-pt line on offense.  budinger is not a quality starter, especially for a team that has 2 lottery picks and clearing $20M in cap room.  

how can you acknowledge offloading the $6.6M from dumping richardson, but not mention the $13.5M picked up for 2 years with anderson and budinger?

this is probably the best combo of draft and free agency in years.  hawes and turner are gone because management wants them gone.  yeah, they may not be in the running for lebron, wade or melo; but monroe and stephenson are realistic, affordable options. 

 

 

[juves4783Participant]

 ryan anderson and budinger don’t play defense, rebound or do anything inside the 3-pt line on offense.  budinger is not a quality starter, especially for a team that has 2 lottery picks and clearing $20M in cap room.  

how can you acknowledge offloading the $6.6M from dumping richardson, but not mention the $13.5M picked up for 2 years with anderson and budinger?

this is probably the best combo of draft and free agency in years.  hawes and turner are gone because management wants them gone.  yeah, they may not be in the running for lebron, wade or melo; but monroe and stephenson are realistic, affordable options. 

 

 

[Buckets21Participant]

You’re right that Anderson does have value, but not even close to enough value for the sixers to make this trade. He’s an efficient stretch 4 who can score, but he’s a poor defender and rebounder. He would improve the sixers but not enough to pull the trigger on this. Chase Budinger on the other hand has almost no trade value right now. Unloading Richardson’s contract is not a top priority for the team either. They aren’t close to the cap and they aren’t even paying his contract since he is hurt. They’re on the hook for 6.6 million next year, if he’s healthy. And the Pelicans 1st round pick is I think 11 right now, but could be in the top 10 by the end of the year. One way to think about it would be if the sixers could net a 1st round pick for Hawes and Turner from another team, then essentially this trade would be like trading 2 1st round picks for Ryan Anderson. Would anyone ever do that? Probably not.  

[Buckets21Participant]

You’re right that Anderson does have value, but not even close to enough value for the sixers to make this trade. He’s an efficient stretch 4 who can score, but he’s a poor defender and rebounder. He would improve the sixers but not enough to pull the trigger on this. Chase Budinger on the other hand has almost no trade value right now. Unloading Richardson’s contract is not a top priority for the team either. They aren’t close to the cap and they aren’t even paying his contract since he is hurt. They’re on the hook for 6.6 million next year, if he’s healthy. And the Pelicans 1st round pick is I think 11 right now, but could be in the top 10 by the end of the year. One way to think about it would be if the sixers could net a 1st round pick for Hawes and Turner from another team, then essentially this trade would be like trading 2 1st round picks for Ryan Anderson. Would anyone ever do that? Probably not.  

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

Ryan Anderson and Budinger do nothing?  I disagree.  Turner and Hawes are gone and you get 2 potential starters one decent one good, and 8 million in cap while unloading Richardson.  You cant have a team full of 19-20 yr olds.  This was just a thought.  And the first is not a top 10 most likely so no sure bet.

[sixersman111Participant]

The sixers would never do this trade.  They wouldn’t do this trade if it had just turner in it let alone hawes and the 1st pick they got.  What makes you think we want a bunch of shitty veterans that do nothing for us while trading a 1st pick.   

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 No way would the Sixers trade a pick for those guys. As previously stated, the Sixers are looking to ACQUIRE picks, not trade them away for bench/role players. 

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

I agree that this is a unrealistic idea, now looking at it.  Just think that the 76ers should get players for Turner and Hawes being they are going to be loaded with 1-2 year players.  Anderson’s shooting does a lot for a team in terms of court spacing so I don’t view him as a nothing player whatsoever.

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

I agree that this is a unrealistic idea, now looking at it.  Just think that the 76ers should get players for Turner and Hawes being they are going to be loaded with 1-2 year players.  Anderson’s shooting does a lot for a team in terms of court spacing so I don’t view him as a nothing player whatsoever.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 No way would the Sixers trade a pick for those guys. As previously stated, the Sixers are looking to ACQUIRE picks, not trade them away for bench/role players. 

[hoopscopParticipant]

Great proposal, all three teams get worse.

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

How do the Pelicans get worse?  The Wolves and 76ers shouldn’t care if they get worse as they should be concerned with salary cap and/or draft position.  Sad that the NBA has come to this but it’s simply the reality of the current state of the NBA.

[juves4783Participant]

 pelicans absorb pek’s contact for $12M a year until 2018.  couple that with evans and holiday and they would pretty much not be able to afford anthony davis’ extension.  

 

 

[juves4783Participant]

 pelicans absorb pek’s contact for $12M a year until 2018.  couple that with evans and holiday and they would pretty much not be able to afford anthony davis’ extension.  

 

 

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

How do the Pelicans get worse?  The Wolves and 76ers shouldn’t care if they get worse as they should be concerned with salary cap and/or draft position.  Sad that the NBA has come to this but it’s simply the reality of the current state of the NBA.

[hoopscopParticipant]

Great proposal, all three teams get worse.

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

I was throwing this out there with hopes of revisions to make this deal better.  So the 76ers don’t include both Turner and Hawes.  I really want the Wolves to lose more and ensure they keep their pick and acquire the 76ers later of the 2 firsts.  I really don’t know if the 76ers want a team full of Rookies next year, Noels essentially being a rookie.  When I first looked at this I thought of how ideal Pek would be on the Pelicans and looking for a resolution of Love and Pek’s inability to win together.  The 76ers looking to tank I thought would be interested in getting a couple players with experience who can shoot on a team with no long term shooters on the roster.  At the same time getting the salary cap relief to compensate for obtaining both Bud and Pek.  I still really like the idea of Pek on the Pelicans, they just don’t have anything the Wolves would need.  Eric Gordan is okay but not at 14 million a year.  Any ideas for the Wolves to make a move?

[juves4783Participant]

 

 

 

sorry dude, there is no way this trade is ever going to work.  the mentality of the 76ers is to build a team through the draft and fill in the gaps with free agency, ie.. they don’t want to inherit bad contracts like that of anderson and budinger.  mcw, wroten, noel and the 2 first round picks are guys they are going to build around.  thad young and the free agents they pick up with the $20M they have to spend will bring the veteran presence.

as far as the t-wolves, they shouldn’t of signed pek until 2018 if he and love can’t coexist.  they also put way too much money and years on martin’s contract.  plus, they have a bunch of $3-5M contracts through next season for guys that don’t deserve it (budinger, a moute, barea, schved).  that was the product of a horrible gm named david kahn.  they just don’t have the trade pieces to get a 1st round pick unless they trade rubio (who the 76ers have no interest in) or love (who they will never trade).  everyone else on that team (not named love) are horribly overpriced or signed to horribly long contracts (pek, kevin martin).  

the pelicans want no part of pek’s contract.  they are already obligated to evans and holiday for years.  gordon’s contract (unless he opts out early) is structured to come off the books as davis is in for a $20+M contract extension.  they have the pieces to make a trade but the 76ers traded holiday, have no interest in evans and gordon (who both appear to be cancers).  ryan anderson is an asset as a stretch 4, but you can get the same thing in channing frye (if he opts out) or re-sign hawes for a portion of the contract.  their long term goal is to keep davis for as long as possible.  taking long, expensive contracts is not in their future.  they need to figure out why the big names on their roster aren’t translating to wins (maybe injuries, maybe a monty williams’ issue).

in the end the 76ers will never do this trade because they don’t want to be in the situations that the t-wolves and pelicans are in.  too many bad contracts limit those team’s flexibility in the offseason.  76ers and the heat are probably the most intriguing teams this offseason.  76ers for their flexilbility, heat for their uncertainty.

 

 

   

 

 

 

[juves4783Participant]

 

 

 

sorry dude, there is no way this trade is ever going to work.  the mentality of the 76ers is to build a team through the draft and fill in the gaps with free agency, ie.. they don’t want to inherit bad contracts like that of anderson and budinger.  mcw, wroten, noel and the 2 first round picks are guys they are going to build around.  thad young and the free agents they pick up with the $20M they have to spend will bring the veteran presence.

as far as the t-wolves, they shouldn’t of signed pek until 2018 if he and love can’t coexist.  they also put way too much money and years on martin’s contract.  plus, they have a bunch of $3-5M contracts through next season for guys that don’t deserve it (budinger, a moute, barea, schved).  that was the product of a horrible gm named david kahn.  they just don’t have the trade pieces to get a 1st round pick unless they trade rubio (who the 76ers have no interest in) or love (who they will never trade).  everyone else on that team (not named love) are horribly overpriced or signed to horribly long contracts (pek, kevin martin).  

the pelicans want no part of pek’s contract.  they are already obligated to evans and holiday for years.  gordon’s contract (unless he opts out early) is structured to come off the books as davis is in for a $20+M contract extension.  they have the pieces to make a trade but the 76ers traded holiday, have no interest in evans and gordon (who both appear to be cancers).  ryan anderson is an asset as a stretch 4, but you can get the same thing in channing frye (if he opts out) or re-sign hawes for a portion of the contract.  their long term goal is to keep davis for as long as possible.  taking long, expensive contracts is not in their future.  they need to figure out why the big names on their roster aren’t translating to wins (maybe injuries, maybe a monty williams’ issue).

in the end the 76ers will never do this trade because they don’t want to be in the situations that the t-wolves and pelicans are in.  too many bad contracts limit those team’s flexibility in the offseason.  76ers and the heat are probably the most intriguing teams this offseason.  76ers for their flexilbility, heat for their uncertainty.

 

 

   

 

 

 

[Buckets21Participant]

 I understand why you would want the 2nd of the sixers 2 1st round picks in a loaded draft, but it’s for the same reason the sixers won’t trade the pick. There is just no way the sixers trade a 1st rounder for anything other than a star or a player with star potential, which won’t be offered and why they’ll end up keeping it. And if you are bad enough to be in contention for the 1st overall pick you definitely don’t trade lottery picks for outside shooting and to get older

[Buckets21Participant]

 I understand why you would want the 2nd of the sixers 2 1st round picks in a loaded draft, but it’s for the same reason the sixers won’t trade the pick. There is just no way the sixers trade a 1st rounder for anything other than a star or a player with star potential, which won’t be offered and why they’ll end up keeping it. And if you are bad enough to be in contention for the 1st overall pick you definitely don’t trade lottery picks for outside shooting and to get older

[JD’s_TimberpuppiesParticipant]

I was throwing this out there with hopes of revisions to make this deal better.  So the 76ers don’t include both Turner and Hawes.  I really want the Wolves to lose more and ensure they keep their pick and acquire the 76ers later of the 2 firsts.  I really don’t know if the 76ers want a team full of Rookies next year, Noels essentially being a rookie.  When I first looked at this I thought of how ideal Pek would be on the Pelicans and looking for a resolution of Love and Pek’s inability to win together.  The 76ers looking to tank I thought would be interested in getting a couple players with experience who can shoot on a team with no long term shooters on the roster.  At the same time getting the salary cap relief to compensate for obtaining both Bud and Pek.  I still really like the idea of Pek on the Pelicans, they just don’t have anything the Wolves would need.  Eric Gordan is okay but not at 14 million a year.  Any ideas for the Wolves to make a move?

[vulture711Participant]

 Why would they give up a 1st for that bag of doughnuts ?  I don’t think I’ve ever read a proposed trade on here that wasn’t one sided or simply, um, stupid

[vulture711Participant]

 Why would they give up a 1st for that bag of doughnuts ?  I don’t think I’ve ever read a proposed trade on here that wasn’t one sided or simply, um, stupid

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