[valentine]

Listen, I dont understand how people say this man is overrated? He was a vital member of the Celtics winning a title, He’s the only reason why the Celtics can even battle with the Lakers this year. He averaged a triple double and kept the Celtics in the playoffs last season. Allen and Pierce helped but Rondo stepped up his game and led the Celtics past the 1st round. The only knock on this man is his jumpshot but…..

He is the Best PG in the East right now! Why are you guys sleeping on him and disrespecting him?

[JNixonParticipant]

I think Rondo is a great player, rated just fine. He has run the team that won the NBA championship, he is an excellent passer, defender, and slasher. He is probably a top 5 PG in the NBA right now, and if he ever gets anything resembling a jump shot, he will truly be elite.

[catoosanumber22]

derrick rose is better imo

[Knicks21]

Stop that Rose can better then him down the road, but not now stop that. Rose lacks elite playmaking ability and he is not a great defender. Please, 2 years from now, maybe Rose is better.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

I dont believe hes underrated, like iguodala said, i believe hes rated just fine

But for those who say he is, im just going to assume that being on the same team as Paul Peirce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett will do that to you..

But once again, im not the one saying that, if anything hes underrated in my eyes

[llperez]

take rose over rondo right now. Rondo is very good, but he has nothing going offensively if you can keep him out the lane on a consistent basis. Rose is a franchise caliber talent. I’m very confident that Rose will be the better pg next season. And you can say Rose has no defense, but Rondo did’nt exactly stop Rose in the playoffs last year either.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Rondo is a better decision maker, defender, rebounder, passer, and runs the pick and roll better. He is the best rebounding pg in the nba, and is one of the best defenders. He also outplayed Rose in the play-offs.

[billykParticipant]

Keeping Rondo out of the lane consistently is a big “if”…..

[Knicks21]

Thank you, I would take Rondo over Rose. I know Rondo can lead a Championship team he was the difference maker in the Championship Run.

Rose, I dunno he needs to show me that as well. He also seems more of a scoring point. Rondo is a all-around PG.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

is overrated, I still think he feeds off his team which was loaded and this past season wasn’t bad without K.G either, let’s not forget Big Baby also stepped up his game. Rondo won’t get a jumpshot and reminds me of Andre Miller. Good leader, Bad shooter, Racks up assists and boards, finds other ways to score his points.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

He would be a great player if he had a Jump Shot. However, right now his jumper is pretty bad, and it definately holds him back. At this point he is not much of a threat to score.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I bet you this… the Celtics would trade Rondo for Rose anyday of the week. They wouldn’t even have to think about it. I would take Rose over Rondo right now. It is close though but Rose is just the better PG overall IMO. Turn it around…do you think the Bulls would trade Rose for Rondo? F no

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Question: Switch Rondo with Derrick Rose

Rondo on the Bulls & Rose on the Celts?

What would be the differences?
Would the Bulls still be 7-10th seed in east?
Will Celts be 1-3rd seed in the east?

[j1232eParticipant]

puts up these number because of the players he is playing with. Defences are so wooried about garnett/pierce/allen. That they dont play good d or box that little speadster rondo out. Put rondo an an average team and rondo will be an average role player.

[Knicks21]

the Celtics would trade Rondo for Rose anyday of the week

I dont think so, Never devalue Championship and playoff experience

MJ didn’t. Jerry Kruase (Bulls GM) wanted to trade Pippen for the 4th pick in 98 draft to add McGrady, MJ said he would retire on the spot because he knew he had a partner who can had playoff experience. I’m not 100% positive they would take that deal.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Exactly, Do you think he could carry the Bulls like Rose did, don’t get me wrong, Ben Gordon is a good player, but he doesn’t have the best I.Q. Salmons and Miller were added halfway…How tough are trades for Rookie POINT GUARDS, throw in no real Mentor with Hinrich out for a while and Noah and Thomas were being called bust before he started bringing out their potential in which I believe Rose did that, he helped them. Luol was out as well, put Rose on the Celtics and he’d be really good with Pierce, Allen, Garnett, Davis, Powe, Perkins, House, etc.

[llperez]

that we are even having this Rose vs Rondo question after Rose’s rookie year should tell you something. Boston would trade Rondo for Rose in a heartbeat, and I would’nt want anyone who would’nt to be a gm for my team.

[llperez]

how can we start holding Rondo’s title over Rose when Rondo was the 4th best player with 3 other hall of famers while Rose just played one season and was arguably the best player on a playoff team? Your comparison with Jordan not wanting to lose Pippen after they had won 6 titles together and were both at the end of their career is irrelevant to this discussion. Also, both Jordan and Pippen left the Bulls before the ’98 draft, so I think you are mistaken on that one.

[Knicks21]

So let me ask this then? You would take a Rookie over a guy who has a ring? Weather he was the MVP or not? That’s crazy. Rondo is the only reason the Celtics have a chance against the Lakers this year.

To be honest, I wanna see the Bulls this year without Gordon, Gordon was the late game shooter last year and the Bulls were the 7th seed last season. Who is gonna step up? Salmons is ok not a star, Deng is coming off injury and some teams in the East (Pistons, Wizards, Raptors) have improved. I have not seen a playoff picture where the Bulls were no higher than 6th. How are the Bulls better then these 3 teams along with the Celtics, Magic, Cavs and Hawks?

[Knicks21]

So, it must have been 97. The McGrady Draft.

[McWinningParticipant]

people dont realize hes making a living during the playoffs. his reguler season numbers are only avarege. and right now his weak jumpshot is hidden by the big three but if he leaves hell have trouble scoring.

[llperez]

Rose is not a rookie any more and just having a title does’nt mean everything. Would you take Derek Fisher over Rondo since he has 4 tiles? Obviously not. Being a part of a championship is nice, but it does’nt mean you are automatically better then everyone else. Rose is gonna enter the conversations with Paul and DWill for best pg very soon, and I doubt Rondo will ever do that.

[Knicks21]

Rondo is the best PG in the East. Come on stop it man. I said before, revisit to me in 2 years and we will see. Derrick Rose had a great rookie season but he is not a elite playmaker and he is not great on D. He can improve that. Rondo is a top 5 PG right now

go back and watch all those Finals Games…he made a couple of “wow” plays himself
go back and watch he 1st round series against Chicago….he took over that series

Rose was not the best player on his team, without Gordon’s late game shooting last season, they would have not made the playoffs.

Rajon Rondo is this era’s Jason Kidd, he is a below average shooter, great passer, rebounder and defender.

We will see this year if Rose is this “Leader” like we think he is. I think he can be but he is not a top 5 PG and is not on Rondo’s level.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Knicks21- The Bulls will be better this year than last season. Remember I told you that ha. Losing Gordon was an addition by subtraction IMO. Now the Bulls have much better length in their starting lineup which they needed. You have to think Rose, Tyrus, & Noah will all improve at least a little. Salmons will now start at SG, Bulls also added Pargo is a good player to bring off the bench. Not to mention James Johnson is going to be a good rookie, Taj Gibson provides more post depth. Bulls have way too much talent to miss the playoffs.

[McWinningParticipant]

how can 11 points points be better than 20? theres sevarel pgs in the east hwo put up 20pts a game?

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rondo is kind of over rated to some degree but he has all the tools to be one of the top point guards in the league but he can’t shoot that well. I think Rose is a better prospect and I would never trade Rose for Rondo but if I had to play a pick up game and my life was on the line today I could see myself leaning toward Rondo over Rose slight but after this coming season Rose will overtake him unless Rondo can hit a J every now and then.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rondo is kind of over rated to some degree but he has all the tools to be one of the top point guards in the league but he can’t shoot that well. I think Rose is a better prospect and I would never trade Rose for Rondo but if I had to play a pick up game and my life was on the line today I could see myself leaning toward Rondo over Rose slight but after this coming season Rose will overtake him unless Rondo can hit a J every now and then.

[llperez]

I think Rose will be better then Rondo starting next season. For you to say it is’nt even close and calling me “crazy” for saying I would rather have Rose just shows your bias. Rondo’s stats are impressive, but he will never be a franchise player. Even Ainge said that himself this offseason. You will see next season.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Doc Rivers would do a backflip & scream like he won the lottery if he could trade Rondo for Rose. lol

[Knicks21]

Gator- I disagree. I gotta wait and see, they did not fix the hole Gordon will leave IMO. He was the late game shooter. There was a reason they brought him back, he is cold blooded in the 4th quarter. I dont see anyone who has that ability right now.

Bird- You go on numbers . Harris is a good scorer but not a elite playmaker and cannot shoot (6 apg last season) (29% from 3), Rose is in the same boat (6 apg last season) and is not the biggest defender although he is 6-3, it also showed me he doesn’t have Rondo’s speed. Mo Williams is a scab. He got better next to LBJ and exposed by Rafer Alston. Calderon? Good assists numbers but never showed it in the playoffs.

[Knicks21]

HARRIS HAS THE SAME ISSUE AS RONDO….HE CAN SCORE MORE ON A LOSING TEAM!!!!

[llperez]

I would imagine most Boston fans would even agree with taking Rose. Rondo stayed longer in college, has taken years to get to this point in the league and has benefitted from playing with other great players. And he still has no jump shot. Rose is gonna be a tar in this league, I truly believe that he will compete for mvp awards in the future.

[McWinningParticipant]

think how good Devin Harris, and the big three would be together. hes better than Rondo. i would Take Harris easily sure his playmaking and defense isnt as good. but he avareged 9.4 more points than Rondo!

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I would take Rondo over Mo & Calderon.

Knicks21- Gordon was pretty clutch at times but not always. Also he took a TON of bad shots late in games. He also doesn’t play defense & he is undersized at SG. He won’t be missed ha. You have to think about the other players.. Salmons stepped up in the playoffs late in games too. Rose, Tyrus, Noah, & Deng have all played under pressure situations in the pros & definitely in college. Bulls have plenty of guys that thrive under pressure.

[Knicks21]

So I have a Bias against Rose but you dont against Rondo???

[llperez]

score more on a losing team, but I honestly think Rondo’s numbers and effectiveness would go down if he was the main guy and did’nt have any other all-stars on his team.

[McWinningParticipant]

Rondo fits the role perfectly, he cant shoot well enaugh to be a 1st or 2nd option. but hes a good 3 oir 4th option. Harris is a legit 1st or 2nd option.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Rondo can put up the same numbers on the Nets team as Harris did? He can’t score…..

[j1232eParticipant]

I would have the GM fired if he did not pull the trigger on that deal. The celtics would be amazing, they also would not fall very hard when the big 3 are finished.

[Knicks21]

Knicks21- Gordon was pretty clutch at times but not always. Also he took a TON of bad shots late in games. He also doesn’t play defense & he is undersized at SG. He won’t be missed ha. You have to think about the other players.. Salmons stepped up in the playoffs late in games too. Rose, Tyrus, Noah, & Deng have all played under pressure situations in the pros & definitely in college. Bulls have plenty of guys that thrive under pressure.

So why were they the 7th seed? All they lost was Deng…why were they the 7th seed?

[llperez]

No, I honestly don’t have a bias towards either guy. If you think Rondo is better, then by all means feel free. But when you call me “crazy” fro thinking Rose is better or say “it is’nt even close between the two”, then yeah that is a sign of bias. No unbiased person would say Rondo is a whole nother league then Rose and have a straight face.

[Knicks21]

llperez…I have a bias against Rose and you dont against Rondo?

Harris shot 29 % from 3 last season and averaged 6 assists. He scored because he had to. Kill Rondo all you want, Like I said he is Jason Kidd like, put him on a team where he has talent and watch his lead.

Why do you think Rondo is getting a big deal this year? He is a big deal, I think most of y’all just some haters.

[McWinningParticipant]

Harris had Vince Carter who is a superstar!

[llperez]

I never said Rondo was not better then Harris, I think it is close between those two, but I’m not sure wich way i would go. As for Rondo getting a bigger deal, yeah they tend to give those out to guys after their rookie contract expires and they have proven themselves. What does that have to do with him being so much better then Rose?

[Knicks21]

Vince Carter who is a superstar!

VC is overrated now is nowhere near the VC he was in Toronto. He is a #2 option right now. He is not a #1. And if Carter was a superstar, why weren’t they a playoff team? Thank you.

[Knicks21]

llperez22- Are you even reading the post? I pointed that toward Birdzilla.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

I’m not a hater of Rondo, but I just think he is vastly overrated and if he were put in a more difficult situation he would fall on his face as for leading a team. Just watch, the Big 3 is aging, we’ll see how he does when he is asked to be the guy.

[McWinningParticipant]

20 points for game isnt neccisarily a second option.

[Knicks21]

Like I said before, He is this era’s Jason Kidd.

[Knicks21]

20 points for game isnt neccisarily a second option.

Yes it is. It’s not all about scoring……there are other things that matter besides scoring. Anyone would tell you VC is a number one on your team- you might be losing 45 games that season.

[McWinningParticipant]

Jason Kidd had a better jumpshot, and you cant say that because Jason Kidd is one of the best point guards of all time, you cant teach the instints of the game he had, and i dont think Rondo has those same skills.

[llperez]

you put my name on top, then proceeded to discuss Harris vs rondo without even mentionine birdzilla or anyone else. Sorry if I assumed that meant you were reffering it to me since I had brought up the Harris/Rondo comparison already. Why are you getting angry?

[JNixonParticipant]

Trust me on this, Devin Harris isnt better than Rondo. He cant shoot either, but he is a better shooter than Rondo. Harris used to work hard on D, but ever since he got traded he doesnt work hard. He also isnt the leader Rondo is. You think a guy like Devin Harris could feed the ego’s of 3 proven superstars? I dont, he could barely get Vince Carter to play hard consistently. Harris is the better scorer and better shooter, but I know I’d take Rondo over him everytime.

Rondo is also better than Rose right now, because he does everything better,except shooting. I mean, think about it. Rondo creates better scoring chances, defends better, gets to the rim alot like him, rebounds better, and is a better orchestrator. I think Rose has the potential to be better, but he doesnt much of anything better right now.

[McWinningParticipant]

you’re making these assumpions because of the playoffs. its an 82 game season! Rose, and Harris both had much better season numbers than Rondo.

[Knicks21]

Do you want a guy who is average in the reg season and excellent in the playoffs

or

a guy who dominates the reg season and comes up lame in the playoffs?

[JNixonParticipant]

Im not making any assumptions, none at all. I’ve seen Rondo play in the regualr season too. He played the same way, except with more intensity on both sides of the ball. Im not many any assumptions though. How’d you even come up with that?

[llperez]

But Rose just finished his rookie season. I think going into next season, he will be better then Rondo. Rose is a better athlete, he is quicker off the dribble, has better change of direction, is a better finisher in the lane, is a better shooter from the perimiter and that was all just last season. imagine what improvements he can make going inot his second season as far as defense, and getting teammates involved.

[McWinningParticipant]

i didnt really mean that its just if you look at the reaguler season you’ll see Rondos numbers are only decent, while Harris, and Roses are better.

[JNixonParticipant]

I said I thought he could be better.heres exactly what I said, “I think Rose has the potential to be better, but he doesnt much of anything better right now.”

[llperez]

so you think Rose came up lame in the playoffs last year? And after one season, you are already gonna characterize Rose as a guy who only plays well in the regular season and does’nt get it done in the playoffs? Wow, imagine if people wrote Rondo off completley after his rookie season.

[McWinningParticipant]

it might just be me but i think Knicks21, and knicksboy34 are the same person. ive heard knicksboy34 say he thinks Rondo will be the next Kidd. and he hasnt been on all night.

[JNixonParticipant]

Its that way because of the shots Rondo had to share. Rondo’s value comes deeper than stats. And even if you do look at stats, Rondo averaged more assists, stls and rebs than both of those guys. They are better scorers, but not better players.

[llperez]

Rondo was better last year then both. But I think Rose passes up Rondo right now. Next year he will be better then Rondo. Also, I think Rondo get’s a lot of his stats padded because of the talent around him. I mean when teams play Boston, Rondo is not their number 1 priority defensively. Harris may never be better then Rondo, but I think Rose is better then him right now.

[Knicks21]

I never said Rose came up lame, I asked a simple question. Get Rose out of your head, I asked a question

Like me and Iguadala said- We think Rondo is better now but down the line Rose maybe better.

[llperez]

so after this whole back and forth about Rond and Rose, now I’m supposed to assume you are just asking hypothetical questions and I should get Rose out of my head? Okay

[llperez]

with Iguodala saying he thinks Rondo is better or you saying that Rondo is better. What I have found interesting, is that you seem to think it is not even close and anyone who would take Rose is “crazy”. That’s quite a bit different than what Iguodala said.

[MSNYParticipant]

Rondo is less talented than Rose AND Harris.
Rondo averaged 2 more assists than both of them because he had Pierce, Garnett, and Allen to pass it to.(3 future hall of famers who shoot good percentages)
Rondo cant shoot period, so what if Harris shot 29% from 3, Rondo would shoot half that percentage if he took half as many 3s as Harris. And Rose and Harris both can hit consistent mid range shots. Rondo always deferred to one of the big 3 and raised his assist total.
Rondo is not comparable to JKidd, thats where i draw the line. JKidd was twice the shooter, distributer, and defensive player in his prime.
I do think Rondo is an extremely valuable PG on the celtics, but only because he complements the big 3 so well. He can just drive and either put a high percentage shot or layup within 5 ft or kick it out to pierce/allen who can drain the 3 or out to garnett who can hit anything up to about 22ft

[JNixonParticipant]

Your blaming him for playing with good player, and then you would criticize him if he played for a bad team like Memphis. There’s no winning. And Rose is more talented than Rondo, but I dont believe Harris is. What does he do better than him or have the potential to do better?

[billykParticipant]

Rondo brings a unique skillset to the game of basketball because he is to cause headaches without scoring…. How does Rose and Harris affect the game if they are not scoring???? Its funny because when Harris played for Dallas nobody thought he could be this type of scorer, I feel if Rondo can be a 18ppg scorer becasue of his ability to get in the lane… Because Rondo cant shoot that means he is anyless of a player considering he does everyting else at a HIGH level (also better than Harris or Rose)… I personally like Rose because of his physical attributes and how he step his game up in the playoffs last year… IMO as of now Rondo is the better player between him, Rose, and Harris… Its funny how everyone talks about Rondo playingt with veteran three hall of famers, than in is self is difficult for a young STARTING point guard….

[billykParticipant]

In couple years Rose > Rondo…..

[llperez]

Not sure if you are referring to me or not, but I don’t hold winning or having great teammates agaist him as a player. But I think Rondo has been able to benefit from having great teammates. Pierce, Allen and Garnett are still doing the same things whether they have a good team or not. Defenses have to focus on them at all times. Obviously, it is hard to accurately judge Rondo until we see him play with less help, but I really don’t think he is as great as people give him credit for. Go back and watch last season’s 2 games against the Lakers where they did’nt even gaurd Rondo. They just left him wide open until he tried to enter the lane. And even then, they just stayed with their man and made Rondo be a finisher. They dared him to shoot on every possesion, and he was absolutely a detriment to his team because they just doubled off him to everyone else. And I would’nt compare his passing or playmaking with a guy like Jason Kidd’s either.

I think Rondo is very good player and top 10 pg. But not this all-star leader that some people have made him out to be.

[JNixonParticipant]

I was talking to MSNY. But he obviously wasnt a detriment if they won the series that got the the championship, especially considering the won in 5 games. Yall are making using the big 3 as a crutch, he defended, slashes,and passes just fine without them. Those are all traits he had when he was in college and before the big 3 arrived.

[llperez]

I was reffering to last year when a healthy lakers team swept Boston in 2 games. And the Finals went 6 not 5. And that series was about the Celtics being the tougher mentally and physically team, not Rondo being great. The Lakers were missing 2 starters in that series, and they lost. Rondo was’nt the difference maker in that series.

And yes, like I said Rondo is very good and a top 10 pg, so it’s not like I’m trying to tear him down. But when defenses focus on him like they do with guys like Paul, DWill, Rose, Nash, Parker, Harris, and others, then let’s see Rondo put up those same great numbers.

[JNixonParticipant]

You dont think Rondo was a difference maker when they won the championship? Dont you think that Rondo had to do with their toughness since he was a key member of their team? Rondo played great that Finals, he even put up 15 assists and no turnovers in 1 or 2 games. How can that not be much of a difference maker? You think Eddie House or Gabe Pruitt couldve done better?

[llperez]

between playing well and doing your job vs being a major difference maker in a series. And Boston would have probably won that series with any decent guy at pg.Rondo was not the guy that beat the Lakers. Like I said, the Lakers were a soft team then and were missing 2 starters. When they played them twice last year with boston healthy and hungry both times, the Lakers won and if you watched those games, you would see how Rondo was left alone and being dared to shoot while Kobe played off him in the passing lanes.

[llperez]

between playing well and doing your job vs being a major difference maker in a series. And Boston would have probably won that series with any decent guy at pg.Rondo was not the guy that beat the Lakers. Like I said, the Lakers were a soft team then and were missing 2 starters. When they played them twice last year with boston healthy and hungry both times, the Lakers won and if you watched those games, you would see how Rondo was left alone and being dared to shoot while Kobe played off him in the passing lanes.

[JNixonParticipant]

Playing off of him has never stopped him from running the offense and making the right plays. He has never been a good shooter, but even if you play off of him he will still set up his teammates. And you cant use the Lakers being soft as an excuse for Rondo playing good. And Im not even gonna believe you really think they wouldve won with any “decent guy at PG, I dont even get what that means.

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

I’LL TAKE A HEALTHY NELSON OVER RONDO MAGIC BEAT THE LAKERS AND BOSTON WITH A 100% JEMEER AND I A TAKE HARRIS OVER RONDO TALK ABOUT MAKING A SPLASH ON A GAME HARRIS WILL

[llperez]

what you don’t get about that. I think the Celtics were the better team and would have won with any decent pg taking Rondo’s place. Not sure how else to say it. But why can’t I say the Lakers were soft and it lead to Rondo playing well? Everyone knows that Fisher has lost a step, and Farmar is not a great defensive pg. But the Lakers had trouble putting Kobe on Rondo because it meant that Radmanovic, Walton and Vujacic would be left alone on Allen and Pierce. Also, without Bynum, and Gasol playing at center, it was easier for rondo to get into the lane and make plays. The Lakers being soft is a totally viable argument for Rondo playing well, as well as Pierce, Garnett, Allne, Powe, and Perkins who also all played well. Rondo’s won one title while playing with 3 other hall of famers, sorry if I don’t think he was the difference maker in that series.

[JNixonParticipant]

I mean do you think Eddie House and Pruitt are decent, because if your talking about a decent player from another team, that argument is irrelevant.

[NYK2010Participant]

They have different type of games Rondo is the 4th and sumtimes 5th option on the team while Rose was the 2nd option for the Bulls last year.

Rondo might not be much of a shooter but his assists, fg%, 3pt %, rebs, steals, pts have improved in each year. Rose isn’t the greatest shooter either he shot only 22% on 3 pointers. Rose did have a very good series against the Celtics last year but he averaged 5 TO’s a game and 6.5 assists with 19.7 ppg and hit 0 3’s. Rondo averaged 2 TO’s a game with 2.7 stls, 11.5 assists, 19.5 ppg and hit 4 of 9 3’s.

Look at the mins played in Rondo’s rookie year he avg’d 23 and Rose 37, Rose scores more but he took 5.5 shots more a game both shot an excellent %. Rondo is a better passer & defender that makes him a better pg right now and he’s played only 3 years in the league.

Not sure why everyone is on the Rose bandwagon besides scoring and ft shooting how is he better than Rondo.

[JNixonParticipant]

Thank you sir. That proved alot, showed that Rondo outplayed him head-to-head at the highest level they both have played at against each other and the true fact that Rose does nothing better than Rondo outside of shoot, which he actually did (statistically) worse than Rondo at as well. Rondo is better at pretty much everything, even if you go by stats.

[apb540Participant]

This is a complete toss-up with both of these guys being at the point that they are in their careers. There is simply no clear cut answer, it’s like the Kobe-Lebron debate, and we won’t know the outcome until 2019 lol.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Chicago could possibly be better this year and also i guess yall did not hear about Rose tearing it up for the Olympics commitee with Durant and Gay. The future is now. I agree with a lot of stuff gatorhills is saying.

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