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  • #64663
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    Celtics3178
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     It blows me away how much hate Marcus Smart gets from this website. The celts got smart with the number 6 pick in the 2014 draft and so far he’s the number two player from that draft class. The only player better then him is Wiggins. Parker has been hurt and not lived up to the hype yes shown flashes of greatness but anyone else remember him on the cover of sports illustrated. Joel Embiid is such a bust he’s on the final year of his rookie deal and yet to play in a game. Doesn’t matter if you have talent when you can’t stay healthy. Aaron Gordon won a dunk contest Thad about it Orlando just traded for 2 starting big men. Dante exum hasn’t done much on a jazz team with no guards. Marcus Smart is the only player in the top 10 who has playoff experience. He’s fighting for minutes on a playoff team with an all star and All defensive first team guy infront of him. For all you stat guys his Numbers have improved every single year in almost every category. His playoff numbers are rediculous for a young back up guard. Last year he averaged 12 points 5 boards 3 assists 2 steals and a block per game. He will be an all defense first team in a few years. Yes he has trouble shooting but it’s improving every year and not by a little a lot. 

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  • #1083212
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     You are going seriously put Smart above Parker.  Your memory must be terrible.  Smart is a good player behind other great players and he needs a trade bad

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  • #1083045
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     You are going seriously put Smart above Parker.  Your memory must be terrible.  Smart is a good player behind other great players and he needs a trade bad

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  • #1083052
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     You are going seriously put Smart above Parker.  Your memory must be terrible.  Smart is a good player behind other great players and he needs a trade bad

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  • #1083224
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     I’d take Rodney Hood over Smart too. 

    the statement that he’s the only player in the top 10 to experience the playoffs is plain silly. He was in the kitchen when the dish got made…doesn’t mean he was the cook. 

    He averaged 9 points in 27 minutes and shot 35 percent. He’d better be an all defense type guy if that’s what he’s bringing to the table offensively. 

    C’mon man…this just comes off as sad. Smart is a nice looking young player. There are things he does that you can say, alright, we can use this guy. But he’s not a building block type player at all. He’s not useless…but he’s not a guy I’d imagine too many teams are lining up to trade for either. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1083057
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     I’d take Rodney Hood over Smart too. 

    the statement that he’s the only player in the top 10 to experience the playoffs is plain silly. He was in the kitchen when the dish got made…doesn’t mean he was the cook. 

    He averaged 9 points in 27 minutes and shot 35 percent. He’d better be an all defense type guy if that’s what he’s bringing to the table offensively. 

    C’mon man…this just comes off as sad. Smart is a nice looking young player. There are things he does that you can say, alright, we can use this guy. But he’s not a building block type player at all. He’s not useless…but he’s not a guy I’d imagine too many teams are lining up to trade for either. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1083065
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     I’d take Rodney Hood over Smart too. 

    the statement that he’s the only player in the top 10 to experience the playoffs is plain silly. He was in the kitchen when the dish got made…doesn’t mean he was the cook. 

    He averaged 9 points in 27 minutes and shot 35 percent. He’d better be an all defense type guy if that’s what he’s bringing to the table offensively. 

    C’mon man…this just comes off as sad. Smart is a nice looking young player. There are things he does that you can say, alright, we can use this guy. But he’s not a building block type player at all. He’s not useless…but he’s not a guy I’d imagine too many teams are lining up to trade for either. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1083230
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    Parker has shown flashes of greatness but how can you not say smart is better right now.  Parker played 35 games year one half a season. i don’t even know what position he plays he’s def no draymond green he’s to skinny to cover the 4 and 5 in a small ball line up. Smart has 2 years of playoff experience. Can guard 1-3 and is an absolute beast never takes a playoff.

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  • #1083063
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    Parker has shown flashes of greatness but how can you not say smart is better right now.  Parker played 35 games year one half a season. i don’t even know what position he plays he’s def no draymond green he’s to skinny to cover the 4 and 5 in a small ball line up. Smart has 2 years of playoff experience. Can guard 1-3 and is an absolute beast never takes a playoff.

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  • #1083071
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    Parker has shown flashes of greatness but how can you not say smart is better right now.  Parker played 35 games year one half a season. i don’t even know what position he plays he’s def no draymond green he’s to skinny to cover the 4 and 5 in a small ball line up. Smart has 2 years of playoff experience. Can guard 1-3 and is an absolute beast never takes a playoff.

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  • #1083236
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    Kingslayer
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    Instead, maybe a certain lack of hype for a career 36% shooter is bursting your Celtic bubble? Those are also his playoff stats from last season that you posted – a 6 game sample size. I actually like Smart quite a bit, mostly due to his fantastic defensive versatility (name another PG that is strategically placed on PF’s like Millsap?). 

    Are you referring to his name always being bandied about in trade theories? The truth is he is no longer considered a premium can’t-miss asset after 2 years of uneven play

    "and so far he’s the number two player from that draft class." No way. I constantly smh at how underrated Nikola Jokic is. 

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  • #1083069
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    Instead, maybe a certain lack of hype for a career 36% shooter is bursting your Celtic bubble? Those are also his playoff stats from last season that you posted – a 6 game sample size. I actually like Smart quite a bit, mostly due to his fantastic defensive versatility (name another PG that is strategically placed on PF’s like Millsap?). 

    Are you referring to his name always being bandied about in trade theories? The truth is he is no longer considered a premium can’t-miss asset after 2 years of uneven play

    "and so far he’s the number two player from that draft class." No way. I constantly smh at how underrated Nikola Jokic is. 

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  • #1083076
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    Instead, maybe a certain lack of hype for a career 36% shooter is bursting your Celtic bubble? Those are also his playoff stats from last season that you posted – a 6 game sample size. I actually like Smart quite a bit, mostly due to his fantastic defensive versatility (name another PG that is strategically placed on PF’s like Millsap?). 

    Are you referring to his name always being bandied about in trade theories? The truth is he is no longer considered a premium can’t-miss asset after 2 years of uneven play

    "and so far he’s the number two player from that draft class." No way. I constantly smh at how underrated Nikola Jokic is. 

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  • #1083249
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    I don’t hate Smart but I don’t love him either. He’s got a long way to go on the offensive end to be anything other than a solid role player. 

    He’s in every trade rumor because he’s young enough for someone to take a chance on him and the C’s have to give up someone of value to package with the Net’s picks in order to land a true star. What better than a young bench player who still has upside? 

    He’ll have a long career in the league as long as he’s healthy even if he never steps up his offense.

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  • #1083083
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    I don’t hate Smart but I don’t love him either. He’s got a long way to go on the offensive end to be anything other than a solid role player. 

    He’s in every trade rumor because he’s young enough for someone to take a chance on him and the C’s have to give up someone of value to package with the Net’s picks in order to land a true star. What better than a young bench player who still has upside? 

    He’ll have a long career in the league as long as he’s healthy even if he never steps up his offense.

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  • #1083092
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    I don’t hate Smart but I don’t love him either. He’s got a long way to go on the offensive end to be anything other than a solid role player. 

    He’s in every trade rumor because he’s young enough for someone to take a chance on him and the C’s have to give up someone of value to package with the Net’s picks in order to land a true star. What better than a young bench player who still has upside? 

    He’ll have a long career in the league as long as he’s healthy even if he never steps up his offense.

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  • #1083258
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    Yes he has trouble shooting but it’s improving every year not by a little a lot.

    His rookie year he shot 37% overall and 34% on 3s.

    Last year he shot 35% overall and 25% on 3s.

    He’s a solid player but I think some are baffled by him being the centerpiece of a Westbrook or Griffin trade.

     Not all Celtics fans are guilty of that but a Smart plus guys like Mickey, Hunter, Young, Rozier and protected Memphis picks aren’t going to get you a superstar.

     

     

     

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  • #1083091
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    Yes he has trouble shooting but it’s improving every year not by a little a lot.

    His rookie year he shot 37% overall and 34% on 3s.

    Last year he shot 35% overall and 25% on 3s.

    He’s a solid player but I think some are baffled by him being the centerpiece of a Westbrook or Griffin trade.

     Not all Celtics fans are guilty of that but a Smart plus guys like Mickey, Hunter, Young, Rozier and protected Memphis picks aren’t going to get you a superstar.

     

     

     

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  • #1083101
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    Yes he has trouble shooting but it’s improving every year not by a little a lot.

    His rookie year he shot 37% overall and 34% on 3s.

    Last year he shot 35% overall and 25% on 3s.

    He’s a solid player but I think some are baffled by him being the centerpiece of a Westbrook or Griffin trade.

     Not all Celtics fans are guilty of that but a Smart plus guys like Mickey, Hunter, Young, Rozier and protected Memphis picks aren’t going to get you a superstar.

     

     

     

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  • #1083262
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    But I don’t think he’s clearly better than Aaron Gordon. Also, I would take Jabari, Rodney Hood & Nikola Jokic over him as well. In the end, Smart will likely end up the 6th or 7th best player from that draft due to his elite defensive ability.. but not a core building block for the C’s on offense

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  • #1083094
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    But I don’t think he’s clearly better than Aaron Gordon. Also, I would take Jabari, Rodney Hood & Nikola Jokic over him as well. In the end, Smart will likely end up the 6th or 7th best player from that draft due to his elite defensive ability.. but not a core building block for the C’s on offense

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  • #1083104
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    But I don’t think he’s clearly better than Aaron Gordon. Also, I would take Jabari, Rodney Hood & Nikola Jokic over him as well. In the end, Smart will likely end up the 6th or 7th best player from that draft due to his elite defensive ability.. but not a core building block for the C’s on offense

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  • #1083267
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     i wouldnt trade julius randle and his double doubles for smart.

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  • #1083100
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     i wouldnt trade julius randle and his double doubles for smart.

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    • #1083199
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       Smart over Randle In a heart beat. A good guard trumps a good big in the NBA right now.

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      • #1083491
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        Not really…the reason the league is guard-heavy at the moment is because the bigs that keep coming out just simply aren’t as good as they used to be. Even the ones that are decent are just jump shooters and play like wings (or try to).

        A legit double-double guy like Randle is rare these days, I’d definitely take him over Smart.

         

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      • #1083321
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        Not really…the reason the league is guard-heavy at the moment is because the bigs that keep coming out just simply aren’t as good as they used to be. Even the ones that are decent are just jump shooters and play like wings (or try to).

        A legit double-double guy like Randle is rare these days, I’d definitely take him over Smart.

         

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      • #1083334
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        Not really…the reason the league is guard-heavy at the moment is because the bigs that keep coming out just simply aren’t as good as they used to be. Even the ones that are decent are just jump shooters and play like wings (or try to).

        A legit double-double guy like Randle is rare these days, I’d definitely take him over Smart.

         

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    • #1083210
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       Smart over Randle In a heart beat. A good guard trumps a good big in the NBA right now.

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    • #1083366
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      markfitz14
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       Smart over Randle In a heart beat. A good guard trumps a good big in the NBA right now.

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  • #1083110
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     i wouldnt trade julius randle and his double doubles for smart.

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  • #1083288
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    I’m be honest, I hate him. He doesn’t have the skills to be a PG, and he doesn’t have the talent to be a starting two guard. He is also constantly flopping and flaring all over the place. It’s embarrassing. I think he hit people in nuts at least twice last yr.

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  • #1083121
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    For_Never_Ever
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    I’m be honest, I hate him. He doesn’t have the skills to be a PG, and he doesn’t have the talent to be a starting two guard. He is also constantly flopping and flaring all over the place. It’s embarrassing. I think he hit people in nuts at least twice last yr.

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  • #1083131
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    For_Never_Ever
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    I’m be honest, I hate him. He doesn’t have the skills to be a PG, and he doesn’t have the talent to be a starting two guard. He is also constantly flopping and flaring all over the place. It’s embarrassing. I think he hit people in nuts at least twice last yr.

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  • #1083141
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    sheltwon3
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     Jordan Clarkson is a second Rounder and is better than Smart and is getting paid more than him too.

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  • #1083297
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    sheltwon3
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     Jordan Clarkson is a second Rounder and is better than Smart and is getting paid more than him too.

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  • #1083130
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    sheltwon3
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     Jordan Clarkson is a second Rounder and is better than Smart and is getting paid more than him too.

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  • #1083144
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    For_Never_Ever
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     I’m Celtics guy, and most basketball fans I know around here have come around to know he isn’t starter. So what makes me hate him is the talent in that draft, and we picked the great college player not the great potential pro player. I didn’t hate on him before the draft just stated he isn’t a pg or a starting two guard. He is defensive bench player.

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  • #1083301
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    For_Never_Ever
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     I’m Celtics guy, and most basketball fans I know around here have come around to know he isn’t starter. So what makes me hate him is the talent in that draft, and we picked the great college player not the great potential pro player. I didn’t hate on him before the draft just stated he isn’t a pg or a starting two guard. He is defensive bench player.

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  • #1083133
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    For_Never_Ever
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     I’m Celtics guy, and most basketball fans I know around here have come around to know he isn’t starter. So what makes me hate him is the talent in that draft, and we picked the great college player not the great potential pro player. I didn’t hate on him before the draft just stated he isn’t a pg or a starting two guard. He is defensive bench player.

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    • #1083436
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      omphalos
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       Exactly, I wanted a high upside pick like Lavine at that spot.

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    • #1083269
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      omphalos
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       Exactly, I wanted a high upside pick like Lavine at that spot.

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    • #1083280
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      omphalos
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       Exactly, I wanted a high upside pick like Lavine at that spot.

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  • #1083157
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     Hated the Smart pick. Not a PG or adequate SG. Just brings hustle everynight.

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  • #1083168
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    Meditated States
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     Hated the Smart pick. Not a PG or adequate SG. Just brings hustle everynight.

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  • #1083325
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     Hated the Smart pick. Not a PG or adequate SG. Just brings hustle everynight.

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  • #1083184
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    VRod305
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    He’s terrible. It’s pretty simple.

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  • #1083195
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    VRod305
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    He’s terrible. It’s pretty simple.

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  • #1083351
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    VRod305
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    He’s terrible. It’s pretty simple.

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  • #1083457
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    he_gets_buckets
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    He’s Dellevadova/Tony Allen but tries to play offense like he’s Klay Thompson.

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  • #1083289
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    he_gets_buckets
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    He’s Dellevadova/Tony Allen but tries to play offense like he’s Klay Thompson.

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  • #1083302
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    he_gets_buckets
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    He’s Dellevadova/Tony Allen but tries to play offense like he’s Klay Thompson.

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  • #1083479
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     Great Size, sets a Defensive tone w/ mental & physical toughness but he’s go tto continue to imporve Offensively 

    He is Still very young & I don’t know that he can be your Full Time starter at PG but he’s a Great Lock Down Defense guy who can come off the bench & bring good Value to a team

    We’ve reached an era where if a Guy is Not a potential Star than fans claim he has No Value…… Teams Need Glue guys too

     

     

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  • #1083309
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     Great Size, sets a Defensive tone w/ mental & physical toughness but he’s go tto continue to imporve Offensively 

    He is Still very young & I don’t know that he can be your Full Time starter at PG but he’s a Great Lock Down Defense guy who can come off the bench & bring good Value to a team

    We’ve reached an era where if a Guy is Not a potential Star than fans claim he has No Value…… Teams Need Glue guys too

     

     

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  • #1083323
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     Great Size, sets a Defensive tone w/ mental & physical toughness but he’s go tto continue to imporve Offensively 

    He is Still very young & I don’t know that he can be your Full Time starter at PG but he’s a Great Lock Down Defense guy who can come off the bench & bring good Value to a team

    We’ve reached an era where if a Guy is Not a potential Star than fans claim he has No Value…… Teams Need Glue guys too

     

     

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  • #1083488
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     Ability to attack the rim. Watch his highlights. Guy is a horrible 3 point shooter but will shoot more threes than IT in less minutes. 

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  • #1083318
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     Ability to attack the rim. Watch his highlights. Guy is a horrible 3 point shooter but will shoot more threes than IT in less minutes. 

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     Ability to attack the rim. Watch his highlights. Guy is a horrible 3 point shooter but will shoot more threes than IT in less minutes. 

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  • #1083539
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     A lot of reason he isn’t loved is because he has been a huge disappointment thus far. I thought he had a chance to be a really good player but he doesnt look anything close to it. Having a shooting percentage in the 30s is ridiculous for an NBA player. Don’t mistake that for the 3ball % because thats in the 20s. Hes good defensively but what else? 

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  • #1083371
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     A lot of reason he isn’t loved is because he has been a huge disappointment thus far. I thought he had a chance to be a really good player but he doesnt look anything close to it. Having a shooting percentage in the 30s is ridiculous for an NBA player. Don’t mistake that for the 3ball % because thats in the 20s. Hes good defensively but what else? 

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  • #1083383
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     A lot of reason he isn’t loved is because he has been a huge disappointment thus far. I thought he had a chance to be a really good player but he doesnt look anything close to it. Having a shooting percentage in the 30s is ridiculous for an NBA player. Don’t mistake that for the 3ball % because thats in the 20s. Hes good defensively but what else? 

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  • #1083397
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     I have to admit, I was hoping smart would fall to the Lakers in the 2014 draft. At the time, we badly needed a pg and I loved his combination of size, competitiveness and defensive potential. I thought if he could improve as a shooter and develop his pg skills more, he could possibly be one of the elite 2 way guards in the league.

    Two years later, I can now say I’m glad smart was off the board when we picked. Although there are still some aspects I love about his game, I have serious doubts he will ever really be anything more than a defensive specialist and energy guy. His shooting has actually gotten worse, and he still hasn’t seemed to really grasp the concept of what a good shot is. He seems like one of those irrational confidence guys that lets his emotions get the best of him more often than not. His playmaking skills as a lead ball-handler haven’t really shown much signs of development either. I still love what he can bring defensively, but I get the feeling he will always be sort of an offensive liability on the floor. Hes still a young player though with a lot of time to improve so we’ll see what happens.

     

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  • #1083554
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     I have to admit, I was hoping smart would fall to the Lakers in the 2014 draft. At the time, we badly needed a pg and I loved his combination of size, competitiveness and defensive potential. I thought if he could improve as a shooter and develop his pg skills more, he could possibly be one of the elite 2 way guards in the league.

    Two years later, I can now say I’m glad smart was off the board when we picked. Although there are still some aspects I love about his game, I have serious doubts he will ever really be anything more than a defensive specialist and energy guy. His shooting has actually gotten worse, and he still hasn’t seemed to really grasp the concept of what a good shot is. He seems like one of those irrational confidence guys that lets his emotions get the best of him more often than not. His playmaking skills as a lead ball-handler haven’t really shown much signs of development either. I still love what he can bring defensively, but I get the feeling he will always be sort of an offensive liability on the floor. Hes still a young player though with a lot of time to improve so we’ll see what happens.

     

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  • #1083386
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     I have to admit, I was hoping smart would fall to the Lakers in the 2014 draft. At the time, we badly needed a pg and I loved his combination of size, competitiveness and defensive potential. I thought if he could improve as a shooter and develop his pg skills more, he could possibly be one of the elite 2 way guards in the league.

    Two years later, I can now say I’m glad smart was off the board when we picked. Although there are still some aspects I love about his game, I have serious doubts he will ever really be anything more than a defensive specialist and energy guy. His shooting has actually gotten worse, and he still hasn’t seemed to really grasp the concept of what a good shot is. He seems like one of those irrational confidence guys that lets his emotions get the best of him more often than not. His playmaking skills as a lead ball-handler haven’t really shown much signs of development either. I still love what he can bring defensively, but I get the feeling he will always be sort of an offensive liability on the floor. Hes still a young player though with a lot of time to improve so we’ll see what happens.

     

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  • #1083684
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    Also you forgot to mention Smarts started to get benched for Terry Rozier in the playoffs. Who was drafted in the draft after him, and played sparingly before that. So if that isn’t a indictment on Smarts idk what is.

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  • #1083514
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    Also you forgot to mention Smarts started to get benched for Terry Rozier in the playoffs. Who was drafted in the draft after him, and played sparingly before that. So if that isn’t a indictment on Smarts idk what is.

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    • #1083721
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      For_Never_Ever
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       I meant drafted in the draft after his. Smarts was drafted in 2014, and Terry Rozier was drafted in 2015.

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    • #1083550
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      For_Never_Ever
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       I meant drafted in the draft after his. Smarts was drafted in 2014, and Terry Rozier was drafted in 2015.

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    • #1083560
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      For_Never_Ever
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       I meant drafted in the draft after his. Smarts was drafted in 2014, and Terry Rozier was drafted in 2015.

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    • #1083998
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      nateval
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       Your wrong. Smart averaged 32 min per game in the playoffs compared to 27 in the regular season. Rozier played minutes due to Bradley’s injury

       

       

       

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    • #1083825
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      nateval
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       Your wrong. Smart averaged 32 min per game in the playoffs compared to 27 in the regular season. Rozier played minutes due to Bradley’s injury

       

       

       

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    • #1083837
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       Your wrong. Smart averaged 32 min per game in the playoffs compared to 27 in the regular season. Rozier played minutes due to Bradley’s injury

       

       

       

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  • #1083525
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    Also you forgot to mention Smarts started to get benched for Terry Rozier in the playoffs. Who was drafted in the draft after him, and played sparingly before that. So if that isn’t a indictment on Smarts idk what is.

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