[OhCanada-Participant]

 I find it absolutely stunning that in 11 years in Cleveland Lebron won one championship yet in 4 years with Miami he won two. You can tell he really loves to win legacy and everything aside this guy truly plays to win championships and has grown past the whole media pressure thing he felt when he was younger. He would be a fool to stay in that organization simply because they have not constructed a winning situation for James. Forget about it being the hometown these guys are wasting arguably the best basketball player evers best years.

If he leaves Cleveland, Cavs fans need to show him some respect for even returning and bringing them a championship in the first place. As Joakim Noah said "whats so good about Cleveland?".

 

[Celtics3178Participant]

as much as I hate Dan Gilbert he has spent plenty of money on getting players in Cleveland.  Lebron  was really young his first couple years and going up against some tough Celtics teams. Now he’s facing some really tough GSW teams. The Lakers Celtics and Spurs all had great runs in that time span. 

In Miami Wade was arguably the best shooting guard in the league and bosh was one of the best forwards in the league the year before really accepted a 3rd role. Lebron was also in his prime with something to prove leaving Cleveland. There’s no way he couldn’t win it all after leaving. 

It’s Lebron choice he can stay or go and contend anywhere. I’d like him to stay but don’t blame him for bolting if he does. 

[Scrooge McDuckParticipant]

 Just neg everyone. It solves everything.

[Dr.RedParticipant]

Unfortunately, the thing that seems to stand out the most between his time in Cleveland and his stint in Miami is Pat Riley and Spoelstra. They didn’t let LeBron have his way all the time, with the one exception being drafting Napier right before James left for Cleveland – BIG FAIL. However, in Cleveland, LeBron has/had a lot of pull within the organization. Spoelstra made him play in a system that Spo designed. Riley made the decisions. LeBron pretty much decides the system they run in Cleveland and huffs and puffs his way to extending teammates that want to be overpaid. David Griffin did a pretty good job, but still caved to Gilbert when he wanted to appease James. Griffin didn’t want to overpay Tristan Thompson or J.R. Smith, but Bron wanted them so Gilbert made it happen. Griffin put up some fight and Gilbert got rid of him for Koby Altman, and Altman has no clue what he is doing. But this is the outcome of LeBron James being co-GM of a franchise. It was the same during the latter years of his first stint in Cleveland. That’s my opinion. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I tend to side with the GM’s who went to places like Harvard on decisions regarding which players are worth what. Whoever started letting players make personnel decisions opened the biggest and most regrettable can of worms. In most every industry we don’t know how to bargain with “talent.” 

[mowestenParticipant]

Come on man, I love Lebron, but lets get real. Part of the reason he didn’t have any help around him this season is because they traded Kyrie for a dude that couldn’t guard a homless person and strong armed the Cavs into giving world class scrubs a truck load of money. 

Now, not wanting to own any of that reality, he’ll bolt and blame the Cavs failures on anything and anyone but himself. 

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

The problem with the Cavs:

They squandered Lebrons youth with a) A really really bad coach in Brown and b) Didn’t put a single decent piece beside him, his secondary options were Mo williams and Big Z(who was a shell by they time James got there).

As for his Prime they have done reasonable effort with what they had-Getting K-love to be Lebrons Bosh and Cashing in on Kyrie to get something vs nothing if he had sat this season and bailed the next year.

 

The Problem with Lebron :

He got his Boys paid and it looks really really bad right now and he doesn’t give the Cavs longterm guarantees which could help them get big name ring chasers in via trade or other means… This is without the mentioning the narrative about where is the help..Yet again it could be a bad coach(in lue).

If he leaves this time…I understand as he as a) fufilled the Ring promise and b) I don’t see the Cavs beating GSW until the get there own Big 3 or 4 with good role players. Their Cap is a mess and their assets are few. However if he wants his legacy to finish where it started then Cavs stand a small chance because regardless of where he goes I don’t exactly see them beating GSW in the near future…

 

 

 

 

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