[valentine]

 Question:

 

Do the Sixers have the Heat’s pick in this year’s draft?  The Heat’s pick I believe is top 10 protected, but if their pick it out of the top 10, it belongs to the Sixers.  Am I right about that?

 

Just caught the end of the Blazers-Sixers game.  Saw Tony Wroten take it to the hole and finish strong.  Saw MCW try to do way too much.  He did not look for his teammates, drove to the bucket and is not strong enough or coordinated enough to finish well in tight spots.  A PG needs to pick his spots, but right after Brett Brown chides Wroten and MCW about making their teammates WANT to play with them, MCW has his head down trying to finish at the rim and misses shots bad….  

Thats fine, but then I see him playing sloppy defense slow to get back on Lillard who blows by him for an easy layup in transition.  Mind-numbing basketball from a guy who thinks he is a star on the worst team in the NBA….

 

I am thinking with their top 3 pick this year, maybe they take Mudiay.  

Trade MCW for another lottery pick, or if you have the Heat’s pick, trade MCW and the Heat pick to move into the top 7.

This way you have 

PG – Mudiay

SG – D’Angelo Russell / Wroten

SF – KJ / Grant / Covington

PF – Saric / Noel

C – Embiid / Sims

I still like MCW if he stops thinking he is an all star, plays more like a PG, and gets his teammates involved because he is NOT Russell Westbrook AT ALL.

i still want Embiid, Towns, Saric, Noel, and i’ll settle with Wroten, MCW, KJ, Grant, and Covington.  I think Saric is going to play a lot of point forward one MCW brings it up past half court.  

So anyway?

1)  Trade MCW, sign Mudiay, and use the first round draft pick you get for MCW (hopefully between 12 – 15)?

2)  Keep MCW and draft either Okafor or Towns.

Just want to see if anyone agrees or disagrees and why?  

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

And why reset the clock at PG when you already have a decent young prospect at the position(MCW did win RotY and is putting up some nice numbers, bad team or not)

I say the 76ers need to draft Karl Anthony Towns, he Noel and Embiid would be a very good front court in the future, Saric could be an X Factor too…

The real trick is finding shooters at Sg and Sf, I like Wroten and McDaniels but they if they don’t vastly improve their outside shooting they need to come off the bench…I like the Idea of signing Gerald Green or Harrison Barnes if they become available this summer, more so we need a few cheap veterans to help the young guys out…

In short, draft Townes in the top 3, find a starting Sg in Free Agency(Gerald Green or Affalo?) and bring over Saric to play Sf/Pf…sign a veteran or 2 to help round out the team…

MCW-Wroten
Green/Affalo?
Saric-McDaniels
KAT-Noel
Embiid

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

And why reset the clock at PG when you already have a decent young prospect at the position(MCW did win RotY and is putting up some nice numbers, bad team or not)

I say the 76ers need to draft Karl Anthony Towns, he Noel and Embiid would be a very good front court in the future, Saric could be an X Factor too…

The real trick is finding shooters at Sg and Sf, I like Wroten and McDaniels but they if they don’t vastly improve their outside shooting they need to come off the bench…I like the Idea of signing Gerald Green or Harrison Barnes if they become available this summer, more so we need a few cheap veterans to help the young guys out…

In short, draft Townes in the top 3, find a starting Sg in Free Agency(Gerald Green or Affalo?) and bring over Saric to play Sf/Pf…sign a veteran or 2 to help round out the team…

MCW-Wroten
Green/Affalo?
Saric-McDaniels
KAT-Noel
Embiid

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I’m not sure what to think of MCW because the team is historically bad. However, he is the best player they have. He is 23yrs old, and the team isn’t going anywhere anytime soon with the flat at tank job of all time going on there. Regardless of trade, if I was him first chance I get I’m out. Who knows if or when the team will be competitive. 

 

 

 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 I’m not sure what to think of MCW because the team is historically bad. However, he is the best player they have. He is 23yrs old, and the team isn’t going anywhere anytime soon with the flat at tank job of all time going on there. Regardless of trade, if I was him first chance I get I’m out. Who knows if or when the team will be competitive. 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

It’s almost like he’s still unproven because the players around him aren’t as good as the 11th and 12th guys on NBA benches…  His percentages stinks along with his turnovers…  They almost have to take Emmanuel right?  Now that I think about it…  I’ll probably would just draft Okafor.  Why not have a 3 headed monster at the 4-5 positions?  Hopefully Saric is a legit 3 that will make this thought legit…   If you can’t get Okafor, trade MCW and draft Emmanuel…  It’s really no one else to get for this team if Okafor is gone…  Towns doesn’t provide what Okafor can bring you…    

[tuck243Participant]

It’s almost like he’s still unproven because the players around him aren’t as good as the 11th and 12th guys on NBA benches…  His percentages stinks along with his turnovers…  They almost have to take Emmanuel right?  Now that I think about it…  I’ll probably would just draft Okafor.  Why not have a 3 headed monster at the 4-5 positions?  Hopefully Saric is a legit 3 that will make this thought legit…   If you can’t get Okafor, trade MCW and draft Emmanuel…  It’s really no one else to get for this team if Okafor is gone…  Towns doesn’t provide what Okafor can bring you…    

[trombonematrix43Participant]

But why would you trade one of your best assests for a marginal return? You’d have to strike gold at somewhere between 12-15 to find a point guard that is BETTER than Michael Carter-Williams. 

[trombonematrix43Participant]

But why would you trade one of your best assests for a marginal return? You’d have to strike gold at somewhere between 12-15 to find a point guard that is BETTER than Michael Carter-Williams. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 There was rumours that Hinkie was looking at what he could get for MCW last summer in the draft as it is reckoned he has a buy low sell high theory. But he didn’t get the sort of offer he was after – likely a top 5 draft pick.

Hinkie could well draft Mudiay and the 76ers run a two PG offence as a number of NBA teams do or run a 3 man main guard rotation including Wroten

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 It would be amazing to see EM, MCW and Wroten on the court at the same time. The other team would get called for illegal defense every play because all 5 players would stand in the paint. If Josh SMith played the four it would be perfect. A team full of guys shooting 25% on jumpers. 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 It would be amazing to see EM, MCW and Wroten on the court at the same time. The other team would get called for illegal defense every play because all 5 players would stand in the paint. If Josh SMith played the four it would be perfect. A team full of guys shooting 25% on jumpers. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 There was rumours that Hinkie was looking at what he could get for MCW last summer in the draft as it is reckoned he has a buy low sell high theory. But he didn’t get the sort of offer he was after – likely a top 5 draft pick.

Hinkie could well draft Mudiay and the 76ers run a two PG offence as a number of NBA teams do or run a 3 man main guard rotation including Wroten

 

[Ebown5Participant]

 He is a good player that is getting better. He still has a ways to go in certain aspects, but he is a baller and a leader. His form on his jumper is nice, so I expect that he will eventually get better at that. His poor decision making is largely a result of doing too much and not having good enough teammates.

As a Sixer fan, I would rather take Okafor or towns over Mudiay, and just keep MCW as our starting point guard. 

[Ebown5Participant]

 He is a good player that is getting better. He still has a ways to go in certain aspects, but he is a baller and a leader. His form on his jumper is nice, so I expect that he will eventually get better at that. His poor decision making is largely a result of doing too much and not having good enough teammates.

As a Sixer fan, I would rather take Okafor or towns over Mudiay, and just keep MCW as our starting point guard. 

[PhillytheKid]

I just watched the Nike Hoop Summit again from a year ago:

I am totally fine with these options if the Sixers went these ways.

1)  Trade MCW for 12th to 15th pick.  Draft Mudiay (watch the hoop summit game he was by far the best guard in that game, complete player, who has the base tools to improve his game, he is a much much better Tony Wroten).  At 12 – 15 you probably pick up Mario Hezonja as your SG.  Croation kid, plays with fire, would ball out with Dario Saric.

You’d have Mudiay (an upgrade over MCW), Hezonja, Saric, Noel, and Embiid.  You miss out on the big man.

 

2)  Draft Towns.  At PF he fits best with Embiid and Saric.  You can still draft Hezonja with Heat Pick.  

You’d have  MCW, Hezonja, Saric, Towns, and Embiid.  This is the best team on paper for the NBA.

 

3)  Substitute Towns with Okafor.  I think Okafor lacks defensively.  But if he can potentially be Tim Duncan-esque with defense and rebounding, I have no problem IF he falls to the Sixers.  In the Hoop Summit game he wasn’t very impactful unless the ball was in his hands though.

You’d have MCW, Hezonja, Saric, Okafor, and Embiid.  There would be holes defensively especially with Okafor.  

I like option 2 the best.  Being that Noel to me, is NOT a starting big man, I think its very tough to pass up a bigman and replace MCW with Mudiay.  There’s too much potential in the other 2 guys.  

[PhillytheKid]

I just watched the Nike Hoop Summit again from a year ago:

I am totally fine with these options if the Sixers went these ways.

1)  Trade MCW for 12th to 15th pick.  Draft Mudiay (watch the hoop summit game he was by far the best guard in that game, complete player, who has the base tools to improve his game, he is a much much better Tony Wroten).  At 12 – 15 you probably pick up Mario Hezonja as your SG.  Croation kid, plays with fire, would ball out with Dario Saric.

You’d have Mudiay (an upgrade over MCW), Hezonja, Saric, Noel, and Embiid.  You miss out on the big man.

 

2)  Draft Towns.  At PF he fits best with Embiid and Saric.  You can still draft Hezonja with Heat Pick.  

You’d have  MCW, Hezonja, Saric, Towns, and Embiid.  This is the best team on paper for the NBA.

 

3)  Substitute Towns with Okafor.  I think Okafor lacks defensively.  But if he can potentially be Tim Duncan-esque with defense and rebounding, I have no problem IF he falls to the Sixers.  In the Hoop Summit game he wasn’t very impactful unless the ball was in his hands though.

You’d have MCW, Hezonja, Saric, Okafor, and Embiid.  There would be holes defensively especially with Okafor.  

I like option 2 the best.  Being that Noel to me, is NOT a starting big man, I think its very tough to pass up a bigman and replace MCW with Mudiay.  There’s too much potential in the other 2 guys.  

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Wroten, EM, MCW, Elfrid Payton and Victor Oladipo are all good players in the right situation, it just so happens there all in the wrong situation. There is no reason to stack guards that can’t shoot on the same team. They shouldn’t dump MCW for EM but instead find a guard that can shoot. If a PG worth a top 3 pick doesn’t exist this year that can also shoot then just wait to you can draft one. It takes at least 4 to 5 years for guards that can’t shoot to develop a jump shot and even then its a crapshoot when you have a crap shooter.

For every Mike Conley and Tony Parker (guys with broke shots that got better) there are a Rondo or a Pablo Prigioni and Kidd that won’t shoot consistantly until there 30’s.

  

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Wroten, EM, MCW, Elfrid Payton and Victor Oladipo are all good players in the right situation, it just so happens there all in the wrong situation. There is no reason to stack guards that can’t shoot on the same team. They shouldn’t dump MCW for EM but instead find a guard that can shoot. If a PG worth a top 3 pick doesn’t exist this year that can also shoot then just wait to you can draft one. It takes at least 4 to 5 years for guards that can’t shoot to develop a jump shot and even then its a crapshoot when you have a crap shooter.

For every Mike Conley and Tony Parker (guys with broke shots that got better) there are a Rondo or a Pablo Prigioni and Kidd that won’t shoot consistantly until there 30’s.

  

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

He’s only in his 2nd year and is giving them great value from an 11th pick in a weaker draft…

This year seems like a BPA type of draft class…I really like the idea of drafting KAT or trading down and picking up a wing like Stanley Johnson or Deangelo Russell

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

He’s only in his 2nd year and is giving them great value from an 11th pick in a weaker draft…

This year seems like a BPA type of draft class…I really like the idea of drafting KAT or trading down and picking up a wing like Stanley Johnson or Deangelo Russell

[HitsterParticipant]

 Philly’s main draft pick in 2015 will be perhaps the most discussed topic on here unless the Greek Freak puts in another burst.

The point raised about Philly needing quality perimeter shooters is a very valid one nd with heir cap space, Sam Hinkie has the flexability to look at some decent FA’s. The older top FA’s want to be win now but younger FA’s could well consider a team like Philly if the offer was good. I don’t mean Hinkie overpaying for good players and putting them on all star money but identifying his needs and selling that to the relevant players.

Plus if the Philly young core does progress they would suddenly become a legit FA contender.

I’d be very interested to know if there are any budding elite shooters near the top of the lottery at SG or SF in the next couple of drafts as Hinkie could also target them.

 

 

  

[HitsterParticipant]

 Philly’s main draft pick in 2015 will be perhaps the most discussed topic on here unless the Greek Freak puts in another burst.

The point raised about Philly needing quality perimeter shooters is a very valid one nd with heir cap space, Sam Hinkie has the flexability to look at some decent FA’s. The older top FA’s want to be win now but younger FA’s could well consider a team like Philly if the offer was good. I don’t mean Hinkie overpaying for good players and putting them on all star money but identifying his needs and selling that to the relevant players.

Plus if the Philly young core does progress they would suddenly become a legit FA contender.

I’d be very interested to know if there are any budding elite shooters near the top of the lottery at SG or SF in the next couple of drafts as Hinkie could also target them.

 

 

  

[DolanCareParticipant]

MCW is a solid player, but he should be the 4th option on a championship team. His shot is erratic and he has problems separating himself from his defenders. I’d like to see him in a role where he can focus on perimeter defense and passing. (Similar to Rubio who I see as a 4th socring option as well). 

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

MCW is a solid player, but he should be the 4th option on a championship team. His shot is erratic and he has problems separating himself from his defenders. I’d like to see him in a role where he can focus on perimeter defense and passing. (Similar to Rubio who I see as a 4th socring option as well). 

 

 

 

[barbabodomParticipant]

 MCW is on the same page as Kemba and Ty Lawson, as they look better than they actually are.

[barbabodomParticipant]

 MCW is on the same page as Kemba and Ty Lawson, as they look better than they actually are.

[GBeeParticipant]

 mcw and kemba dont even look good. lawson actually is good.

[GBeeParticipant]

 mcw and kemba dont even look good. lawson actually is good.

[barbabodomParticipant]

Btw, MCW had a historically bad game against Utah, as he was just one of six players since 1985/86 to attempt more than 20 shots in a game and make just 2 or less of then.

bkref.com/tiny/VQUH4

[barbabodomParticipant]

Btw, MCW had a historically bad game against Utah, as he was just one of six players since 1985/86 to attempt more than 20 shots in a game and make just 2 or less of then.

bkref.com/tiny/VQUH4

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Isn’t MCW just like Jason Kidd was early in his career, lots of stats and lots of missed shots.  If the 76ers find some quality shooters in the next few seasons then a big point guard like MCW will not have to shoot as much, and will improve his shooting percentage a bit.

But if the 76ers do want to trade him because they have a point guard they want to draft, there will be teams with the shotoers to surround him with, and he can get steals, assists and rebounds.  

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Isn’t MCW just like Jason Kidd was early in his career, lots of stats and lots of missed shots.  If the 76ers find some quality shooters in the next few seasons then a big point guard like MCW will not have to shoot as much, and will improve his shooting percentage a bit.

But if the 76ers do want to trade him because they have a point guard they want to draft, there will be teams with the shotoers to surround him with, and he can get steals, assists and rebounds.  

 

[PhillytheKid]

 his rebounding and steals are very attractive.

he also is apparently coachable.  Brett Brown recognizes his faults, hammers them into him, to trust his teammates and get the good shot, and he realizes he HAS to do that….

yet still he goes 2 for 20 against Utah.  

 

Sounds to me like a guy that says "yes I know" but never does anything about it.  He also apparently is not a student of the game as far as studying defensive tendencies.

 

Please don’t compare him to J. Kidd.  J. Kidd was an extremely smart player.  Not someone who just stuck his head down and went to the hole.  

Again, he’s only in his second year and apparently he’s said "this league is hard to adjust to".

 

I was very impressed by the MCW in his first NBA game that played with poise (few TOs, very confident and measured against the HEAT).  Now I don’t see that.  I think he’s regressed.  

 

He is trying to be a star a la Russel Westbrook but he is not.  He needs to be a great PG, not a great player like Russel Westbrook.  Because he does not have the talent of Russel Westbrook and he can’t finish even like Tony Wroten.

 

I hate to say it, but people think he’s an intelligent player because he’s light skinned and looks somewhat polished.   I don’t think his skin tone has anything to do with it.  I think he’s a dumb player, so fixated on complaining to the refs like he is some star, all the while allowing the other team to just run down the court.  If you were smart, you woudln’t complain to the ref, but make sure you made the defensive stop and trusted your coach to make a statement.  Not to husttle back on defense while complaining, makes me not want to have you on my team.

[PhillytheKid]

 his rebounding and steals are very attractive.

he also is apparently coachable.  Brett Brown recognizes his faults, hammers them into him, to trust his teammates and get the good shot, and he realizes he HAS to do that….

yet still he goes 2 for 20 against Utah.  

 

Sounds to me like a guy that says "yes I know" but never does anything about it.  He also apparently is not a student of the game as far as studying defensive tendencies.

 

Please don’t compare him to J. Kidd.  J. Kidd was an extremely smart player.  Not someone who just stuck his head down and went to the hole.  

Again, he’s only in his second year and apparently he’s said "this league is hard to adjust to".

 

I was very impressed by the MCW in his first NBA game that played with poise (few TOs, very confident and measured against the HEAT).  Now I don’t see that.  I think he’s regressed.  

 

He is trying to be a star a la Russel Westbrook but he is not.  He needs to be a great PG, not a great player like Russel Westbrook.  Because he does not have the talent of Russel Westbrook and he can’t finish even like Tony Wroten.

 

I hate to say it, but people think he’s an intelligent player because he’s light skinned and looks somewhat polished.   I don’t think his skin tone has anything to do with it.  I think he’s a dumb player, so fixated on complaining to the refs like he is some star, all the while allowing the other team to just run down the court.  If you were smart, you woudln’t complain to the ref, but make sure you made the defensive stop and trusted your coach to make a statement.  Not to husttle back on defense while complaining, makes me not want to have you on my team.

[GBeeParticipant]

 pretty sobering since you are a philly fan too. i never liked MCW as a prospect. to me he appeared to be a very instinctual player with very little filter, which can be good if the player is uber talented and/or has awesome instincts, but MCW is neither.

the time to trade him while getting peak value has passed. imo, sticking with him as a core player and future QB would be settling.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 pretty sobering since you are a philly fan too. i never liked MCW as a prospect. to me he appeared to be a very instinctual player with very little filter, which can be good if the player is uber talented and/or has awesome instincts, but MCW is neither.

the time to trade him while getting peak value has passed. imo, sticking with him as a core player and future QB would be settling.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Very good points about MCW, he is probably not a star PG who can lead a team like Westbrook or a returning to peak form D-Rose. But in the current Philly line up he is the best player so is perhaps taking too many shots. The coaching staff need to look at that and perhaps try to make him more a pass first and creative PG, this will only come with time, Kidd and Nash weren’t the creative masterminds from day one.

If Philly get MCW’s distribution and creative game improved then it will be a great help as he’ll be able to create for/support the future players they draft/sign/trade for.

[HitsterParticipant]

Very good points about MCW, he is probably not a star PG who can lead a team like Westbrook or a returning to peak form D-Rose. But in the current Philly line up he is the best player so is perhaps taking too many shots. The coaching staff need to look at that and perhaps try to make him more a pass first and creative PG, this will only come with time, Kidd and Nash weren’t the creative masterminds from day one.

If Philly get MCW’s distribution and creative game improved then it will be a great help as he’ll be able to create for/support the future players they draft/sign/trade for.

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