Who has a negative PER so far?

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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 12:31am #52846

TRC1991
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According to John Hollinger’s PER (player efficiency ratings) Here is a list of guys who have sucked beyond measure so far
Peyton Siva (-6) DET, 2 games played
Tornike Shengelia (-4.4) BKN, 4 games played
Jannero Pargo (-18.5) CHA, 2 games played
Mike James (-7.7) CHI, 4 games played
Erik Murphy (-11.1) CHI, 6 games played
Marquis Teague (-6.9) CHI, 7 games played
Carrick Felix (-3) CLE, 2 games played
Bernard James (-0.5) DAL, 6 games played
Ricky Ledo (-3.4) DAL, 6 games played
Nemanja Nedovic (-2.2) GS, 12 games played
Dewayne Dedmon (-6) GS, 3 games played
Ognjen Kuzmic (-8.8) GS, 10 games played
Nick Calathes (-0.4) MEM, 8 games played
Shabazz Muhammad (-9.6) MIN, 4 games played
Ryan Gomes (-3.7) OKC, 3 games played
Tobias Harris (-0.6) ORL, 1 game played
Doron Lamb (-0.7) ORL, 4 games played
Slava Kravtsov (-1.6) PHO, 5 games played
Will Barton (-2) POR, 5 games played
Earl Watson (-3.7) POR, 2 games played
Allen Crabbe (-11.7) POR, 4 games played
Victor Claver (-13.6) POR, 3 games played
Austin Daye (-2.1) TOR, 4 games played

Read into this what you will…Some guys you obviously have to give more time to (Tobias Harris) but with others (Nedovic) it’s rather clear that some aren’t capable of producing right now at the NBA level

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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 12:46am #853056

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Tobias Harris is probably the only one who will significantly raise his PER to an above average level.
On a side note. I looked up the top PER performers so far this year. Although the normal top guys like Lebron, CP3, Durant etc are all up in the top ten., I noticed some more interesting guys:
Brook Lopez (ranked 3) 27.92
Isaiah Thomas (11) 23.12
Tiago Splitter (18) 21.99
Michael Beasley (21) 21.55
Jordan Hill (22) 21.47
I know it’s only early going but its quite interesting to see that Hollinger’s system ranks these guys pretty highly.
BroLo’s is really high. He was killing it until he got injured.
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 12:46am #852947

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Tobias Harris is probably the only one who will significantly raise his PER to an above average level.
On a side note. I looked up the top PER performers so far this year. Although the normal top guys like Lebron, CP3, Durant etc are all up in the top ten., I noticed some more interesting guys:
Brook Lopez (ranked 3) 27.92
Isaiah Thomas (11) 23.12
Tiago Splitter (18) 21.99
Michael Beasley (21) 21.55
Jordan Hill (22) 21.47
I know it’s only early going but its quite interesting to see that Hollinger’s system ranks these guys pretty highly.
BroLo’s is really high. He was killing it until he got injured.
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- Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 4:41am #853069
  
  ItsVictorOladipo
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  To be fair Lopez is not an aberration. He’s just a highly efficient offensive player who doesn’t get as much playing time as most of the top big men in the league (his per 36 minute statistics are usually very impressive). It might surprise you to learn that last season his PER of 24.7 was fifth best in the league behind only LBJ, Durant, CP3 and Melo.
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- Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 4:41am #852962
  
  ItsVictorOladipo
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  To be fair Lopez is not an aberration. He’s just a highly efficient offensive player who doesn’t get as much playing time as most of the top big men in the league (his per 36 minute statistics are usually very impressive). It might surprise you to learn that last season his PER of 24.7 was fifth best in the league behind only LBJ, Durant, CP3 and Melo.
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 2:55am #853061

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PER means almost nothing when it’s based on very small samples. A super hot shooting streak, especially for a player who’s not playing many minutes (and plays many of them in garbage time) translates in a very high PER, while a shooting slump with low percentages gives you a negative PER. Many of the players on the first list are (for different reasons) garbage time players who haven’t played many minutes. It just takes a couple of missed shots or a turnover to have a negative PER. I wouldn’t pay much attention to PER numbers in order to say if they belong or not.
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 2:55am #852954

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PER means almost nothing when it’s based on very small samples. A super hot shooting streak, especially for a player who’s not playing many minutes (and plays many of them in garbage time) translates in a very high PER, while a shooting slump with low percentages gives you a negative PER. Many of the players on the first list are (for different reasons) garbage time players who haven’t played many minutes. It just takes a couple of missed shots or a turnover to have a negative PER. I wouldn’t pay much attention to PER numbers in order to say if they belong or not.
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 6:09am #853081

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Mike James (-7.7) CHI, 4 games played
Erik Murphy (-11.1) CHI, 6 games played
Marquis Teague (-6.9) CHI, 7 games played

C’mon Bulls! Get these guys more minutes! Jabari Parker! Andrew Wiggins!

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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 6:09am #852974

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Mike James (-7.7) CHI, 4 games played
Erik Murphy (-11.1) CHI, 6 games played
Marquis Teague (-6.9) CHI, 7 games played

C’mon Bulls! Get these guys more minutes! Jabari Parker! Andrew Wiggins!

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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 8:39am #853010

Tyrober
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I didn’t even know you could have a negative PER. I thought it just went down to zero lol
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 8:39am #853117

Tyrober
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I didn’t even know you could have a negative PER. I thought it just went down to zero lol
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 11:42am #853035

Lipstick
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I see a couple lottery picks in there…sigh.
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Posted on: Wed, 11/27/2013 - 11:42am #853142

Lipstick
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I see a couple lottery picks in there…sigh.
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