[Bmore_DCParticipant]

A few weeks back, a lot of people on this site were ready to write John Wall off…granted he wasnt playing good for a stretch there, but the whole team was stinkin…now the dude is straight ballin again, one of the best fantasy bball players (not that i put too much stock into that, but hes on my team haha) and leading his team like he should be…

im calling out all the haters who said he was over-rated…you guys still out there? 

[dragons12Participant]

 1. he has around a 1.6 assist tot turnover rate. 2. he is shooting .063 percent from 3 this year. 3. his team’s record is god awful 4. his mom doesnt love him

granted i made up one of those still don’t believe in him and everyone has stretches of good games 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

Its not just this one game… the dude is averaging 16, 5, and 7 and thats not good enough???

hes not a 3 point shooter we all know that

[Ny2daDeathOFmeParticipant]

 i think your putting to much in to this one game… granted it was the blazers but still, lets see some concesity.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

hi, I’m not a Wall fan, I don’t "hate" but I don’t think hes that good, which alot of poeple will probably define as hating.

Guy turns the ball over a ton, doesnt play great defense, can’t shoot, and did I mention he turns the ball over alot. Being a freak athlete, dunking on people, and being really really fast doesnt really make a great PG

[nick5354Participant]

I ask one question. What does John Wall have apart from physical attributes?

[JonOatsParticipant]

 17th best PG over the last two weeks, same over the last 7 days, 12th in the last month, 23th for the season. So better lately but…HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. Yes those were compared against other point guards not overal players.

The Wiz did manage to beat the Pistons, Raptors, and the Bobcats twice over the last two weeks. 

[JNixonParticipant]

 "Where are the Wall haters now" is one of the more driven into the ground topics on this site. Every signle big game he has, there is a thread about it with that title in some way or another

[Future_Scout]

 i don’t even comment on wall

[Future_Scout]

 but seriously, who should be doing better, wiz or cavs?

[EntropyParticipant]

It is evident some people here don’t watch the wizards games. Wall is straight ballin right now. In the last 17 games he’s averaging 19/8/5 with 1bpg (only guard better is Wade) on 47% shooting. How is that not consistent ? He is also starting to hit the midrange shot, he has hot 20 of his last 40 shots from 16-23 feet. They aren’t winning many games that’s why he isn’t getting recognized as much as he should be.

[Future_Scout]

 i know, he is amazing!! trust me, his rookie stats are historic…but seriously, who should be doing better, wiz or cavs?

[Future_Scout]

 irving is already a better PT

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 Thank you @Entropy…

and @Future_Scout…in the NBA its usually the young teams who struggle, and the Wiz are by far the youngest team in the NBA, so to answer your question, from top to bottom, the Cavs have a more solid roster and are playing OK…i expected them to do better than the Wiz, honestly i was thinking DC would be a lot worse than what they are…considering they only won 23 games last year…

not taking anything away from Irving at all, he is very good…but i still take Wall over him anyday

[JonOatsParticipant]

 actually regressed in a few categories. And the Wiz would need to get to 18 wins this year to have the same winning percentage as last year. With more road games coming during the second half of the season, I’m betting they don’t get there.

[Jlv2012]

Just not a franchise player.

[WeavvvParticipant]

 @Bmore_DC saying that "he’s not a 3 point shooter we all know that" doesn’t give him a pass on anybody’s rating scale. He’s a PG, and while not every PG ever has been a stellar 3PT shooter, it’s at least something he should be improving upon.

J Wall is still young.. he’s only about 1/3 into his 2nd season in the NBA. Every sophomore, in every year, has improvements he must make. The true Franchise players are the ones who go out and make those improvements.
He’s been hot.. for 5 games? Either scoring at least 29, or throwing out 10+ dimes. Potential is there, it’s just up to him to make it happen.

[EntropyParticipant]

I think you meant not a franchise player YET. He most likely will be IMO, too much talent not to be.

[bobbybParticipant]

WHEN you are a #1 pic.. you are supposed to put up numbers!!!

[invalidParticipant]

still here. wall is still overrated as of now. i still dont think he will win a championship with him as the best player on the team. 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Another one of these posts?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Since I’m a Sixers fan and we managed to get the 2nd pick and miss out on Wall, I’m sworn to root against him for his career.  

The NBA has exposed his weaknesses.  He’s not a great shooter and he has no range at that.  Plus he’s so use to just blowing by people with his speed that he hasn’t implemented any change of pace moves into his game and basically treats the NBA like it’s still the AUU circuit.  And guess what, his raw athleticism is so unique that he can still get by doing that from time to time.

Nobody want’s a PG whose a turnover machine that can’t shoot tho.  Howver it’s clear the Wizards organization dropped the ball on him by not surrounding him with a few veterans and giving him the keys from day one.  So he’s been forced to develop before our eyes instead of at his own pace.  But with that said I do believe he’s going to develop.  He’s only 21 in his 2nd year which didn’t even have a real training camp too it.  This is way to early to judge his career but if I had to guess I’m willing to bet he’s going to go to multiple All Star games and become a premiere player. 

He’s definitly going to become a Steve Francis type player but he has a ton of work to do if he wants to become a Derrick Rose, Deron Williams type of PG.  Although look what Williams has done with a similiary bad cast.

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

@FutureScout

I expected, and expect the Cavs to be a better team because they have a way better coach in Byron Scott and have vets are their team in Jamison and Andy who are use to winning.  Plus they’re team is filled with role players who play their heart out on defense and try to get efficient baskets on offense as compared to the Wiz who don’t even have a coach and are filled with young players with no experience who all think they’re superstars.

 

 

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

I see we’ve learned nothing from Kevin Love.  Wall has one of the worst teams in the NBA around him right now with an absolutely atrocious coaching system.  Let’s see some talent around him with a legit coach and then decide.  He could be great – or he could be nothing special.  It could go either way at this point, and it’s only partially down to desire.  Enviornment matters.

[Maniac MaciejParticipant]

 I think we found all the Wall haters. They’re still here.

He’s not that far off…especially if they can clear out some of the garbage players around him. They need a good veteran presence on that team…and I don’t mean Rashard Lewis.

Either way, he’s much better than Brandon Jennings, who is somehow getting hype as a potential All-Star.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

We aren’t John Wall "haters"….if anything, we are John Wall "disbelievers" right now, or Wall "non advocates", haters is such a childish close minded term used by people who only see things as black and white.

Wall has the potential to be a really good PG and in my opinion he is probably the 3rd best young PG in the league right now behind Irving and Rubio (I know, I know, Rose and Jennings are young, but I’m talking about guys who are still relatively prospects), but I don’t get why people are just in awe when they see a PG who can run really fast and jump really high and just instantly say "whoa! he has unlimited potential" because that isnt the case. Basketball IQ is an indicative factor when looking at potential above anything. I havent watched enough Wizards games to say what his IQ is on the floor, but it doesnt seem like he has figured out the nuances of playing the PG position yet: controlling tempo, setting up offense, recognizing time and score situations and how that affects decisions, etc.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

John Wall is a good player. People who wrote him off were just saying they were disappointed in his early season play. I think you probably were as well. If they were writing him off as a player, they will probably be wrong. Still, I think it is a little to early to gloat. His team is still 7-22, even after that nice win in Detroit and last nights throttling of a mostly Aldridge-less Blazers. Gloat posts are about timing and use of strong evidence, maybe even digging up posts of a bunch of people being wrong about John Wall. Or, you could maybe just keep it as a personal victory. Make sure to stop at the bakery and pick up a nice fresh cookie. You deserve it.

[invalidParticipant]

 but that wasnt the point. its about the people who hyped him and the wiz that theyre gonna make playoff from last year to now.  and says like its for sure that he’ll be a top5-10 pg this year, not in years to come. not potentially, just now. without trading,giving the right coach, teamates. damn right ofcourse that would work. if you do not say such things like that before then dont answer. ktnx

[HaleParticipant]

He’s doing exactly what Rose did. Strugglingly mightily in the beginning of the year, now he’s getting to where he was last year and by the end of the year I’ll bet he’ll have had a pretty good season and shown some nice improvement.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

This guys music sucks then they say your hating if you say it. This guy is not a franchise player so your hating. Overused word I swear. Wall will get better and needs better players. I hate crawford and young’s game next to Wall. Bad fit. Wall must learn how to slow down and run an offense properly.

[Anton123Participant]

What do you people mean when you say "apart from physical attributes, what does he have?"

Well he is top 10 is APG and I think is actually around number one in fastbreak points. Also is 2nd among guards in bpg behind Wade

Ever since the Wizards got rid of the smeghead minger Flip Saunders, Wall has been avering around 10 APG and really picked up his FG%

The guy is very young and is the leader of an incredibly young and immature team. What did you expect of the guy? What has he done to get all this hate?

The Wizards by the way are picking it up, they are not a good team, but they are much better without Blatche and with a new coach

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 hahaha i knew id get smashed in some negs…good lawd!!!

with all those "Washington could sneak into the 8th spot in the east this year" i also got negged for shooting that idea right down…i knew they would be terrible…they are in major over-haul of this roster (the youngest team in the NBA, literally)…i couldve gone and found these posts but i really dont care enough…

im not saying Wall is an all-star or even top 5 PG right now, but if you really dont see his potential you dont watch enough basketball…how can you say he has no skills besides the physical??? hes averaging 7 assists ON THAT TEAM…and look at his assists last year with an even worse team…

look at the year Wall was drafted and answer me this…was there someone else you wouldve taken over Wall??? NO…so that means hes not a bust at all…would you really rather have Evan Turner? How about Cousins??? nope…so honestly thats why i call em haters…because hes not on your team and hes not as good as Derrick Rose you guys wanna write him off…well ill make sure i bookmark this thread and when hes an all-star in the next couple years when they get some better players, ill post another one of these and hopefully get 20 positives…SMH

[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

 John Wall was the one who said he was going to dominate

John Wall was the one who guaranteed the Wiz would make the playoffs

John Wall was the one who said his jumper was improved

John Wall was the one who said he was going to be on the same level as Westbrook and Rose and "pay" them back for taking advantage of him last year.

And John Wall is the one who’s team is a joke

And John Wall is the one who’s averaging more turnovers and least assist than last year

And John Wall is the one who is shooting worse this year than last year( 11% 3pt percentage) (42% FG percentage, but only because he’s shooting less, he makes 5.8 attempts per game,same as last year but is shooting a shot less, so whatever the scenario he’s either shooting worst or the exact same).

So you blame John Wall for all the hate, not the basketball fans.

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 So can you answer me this…Who would you rather have as the PG of your team, John Wall or Kendell Marshall if you had to choice between the 2?

I pick Wall, JohOatmeal I aleady know your answer.

[Jlv2012]

over Wall any day of the week.

[Future_Scout]

its easy to say now that everyone expected the cavs to do better than the wiz lol. well i didn’t, to me the wiz are under-performing. and why im a getting negged for saying irving is already a better PT. the person who negged me, argue with me!!! which one would you choose:

16.6ppg .421-.118-.796     7.5ast , 5 rebs , 1blk-stl , 4 TOs…. EFF/PER 17.65

or

18ppg .492-.413-.830       5ast, 3.5rebs , .8 steals 3 TOs….. EFF/PER 21.60 (PLAYS 6 LESS MINS, is a rookie, and is winning more)

please answer me….

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I feel you Future Scout I don’t mind getting negged by I come onto to have discussions so when I get negged I obviously assume people disagree with what I said so it bothers the hell out of me that people don’t say what they disagreed with.  Like I got negged on my earlier post on here and I’m assuming it’s because I compared John Wall to Steve Francis but nobody said anything.  So to elaborate I fully understand Steve Francis and John Wall are different players, Wall is a pure PG and Francis was always more of a scoring guard.  But Francis was a game changer and superstar in his time who could will his teams to victory, but he was never considered to be in the top echelon of his position he was just an extremely gifted and dangerous player.  Wall could suffer the same fate.

And I really did believe the Cavs should and would be better because last year they were better then the Wiz and they only got better this offseason especially with Andy healthy and most of the team knowing Byron Scotts system better.  The Wiz roster I’ve already looked at as a trainwreck, they have more individual talent then the Cavs sure, but they don’t have a better team.  And the Wiz players didn’t know their roles before Saunders got fired let alone now.  

And Irving vs Wall is an interesting debate that I was gonna post a thread on.  I’d like to know more peopels opinions on whose better and whose having the better rookie year.  Personally in the same vein that I’d take Jrue Holiday over Wall (right now this year) is the same vein I’d take Irving.  Wall is the better passer no doubt and has better court vision, but Irving and Holiday overall offensive awareness is higher and they know how to finish games and hit big shots which is wat I want most out of my PG like Billups use to be.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

He’s been playing a lot better lately. He’s been passing a lot more and looking more for shooters when he drives than he was earlier in the year. He needs to keep on playing like this, because the less shots he takes, the better the Wizards play.

He’s been using a little more change-of-pace/hesitation moves to get into the paint, and his floater has looked a lot better lately. He still needs to improve on the PNR, as he looks to drive before the big can even set the pick a lot of times. And his jumper has been good the last 2 games. There’s an article (w/ video) showing that his jumper is more accurate when he holds his follow-through: http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/2/4/2771198/john-wall-and-his-follow-through

And he leads all guards in blocks per game (1 bpg).

[invalidParticipant]

 i actually thought they would play better than the cavs. ofcourse he will only get better. they will play better, i mean what do you expect from the worst lol. just not now.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

I think most of us knew that at this point Irving was a better player, Wall a better prospect, but to attribute this all to them is a bit much.  Cleveland last year weren’t a bad squad when they had Varejao and they have a good coach.  Washington has neither an elite energy/big defender nor an adequate coach.

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