[tcox314Participant]

I will start by saying I am a Kevin Love fan despite his struggles in the finals. It seems like he is struggling with confidence and matchup issues. At this point, what is Kevin Love’s value on the market? With Cleveland, he has averaged 16pts 10rbs each of the past 2 seasons. They seem to look for him and to get him going in games during the regular season but have gone away from that most of the playoffs. Would it be best for both the Cavs and for Love to part ways? Their end goal is to win championships and to do that, they will be going through the warriors for the foreseeable future. If he does not match up well with them, even though he does other teams, does it make sense to keep him on the roster when they have to pay him $20mil+ over each of the next 4 years

The 3 seasons with the Timberwolves leading up to the trade he averaged:
26-13-2
18-14-2
26-12-4

Those are All star numbers with him being the #1 option on those teams. I do not think he is a #1 option but he still has the potential as a #2 option on a good team. Is he really that far removed from the player he was 2-4 years ago or is he just on a team that doesn’t quite fit his style of play?

There are many good teams out there that have the salary cap to absorb Love’s salary via a trade. Where would be good fits for Love and what options could benefit the Cavs?

[TRC1991Participant]

Couldn’t Ryan Anderson have averaged 26 and 12 if he was the #1 option on those 15-win T Wolve teams too?

[tcox314Participant]

I don’t think so. Love is a more complete player then Anderson. Anderson has always stuck to shooting 3’s. Love has become a 3 point shooter only because that’s what is needed from him on the Cavs. When he was at MN, he was a great post player and rebounder. I think he needs to get back to a team where he can use his entire skill set.

[tcox314Participant]

I don’t think so. Love is a more complete player then Anderson. Anderson has always stuck to shooting 3’s. Love has become a 3 point shooter only because that’s what is needed from him on the Cavs. When he was at MN, he was a great post player and rebounder. I think he needs to get back to a team where he can use his entire skill set.

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 To be fair to K Love his last season in Minny they won 40 games and barely missed the playoffs. He is clearly not a one or two option on a championship team and is weak definsively. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 To be fair to K Love his last season in Minny they won 40 games and barely missed the playoffs. He is clearly not a one or two option on a championship team and is weak definsively. 

[TRC1991Participant]

Couldn’t Ryan Anderson have averaged 26 and 12 if he was the #1 option on those 15-win T Wolve teams too?

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Depends.

Some value, not a TON.  Would have to be part of a package deal.

I like this trade (combined with another guy on the trading block).

Kevin Love, Dellavadova, and 3 future first round picks to Chicago for Jimmy Butler, Cam Bairstow, and the 48th pick.

The Bulls get a backup point guard to go with Rose.  Plus, they still have a good core rotation inside.

With D Rose, Delly, McDermott, Tony Snell, K Love, Noah, Pau, and Taj Gibson maybe the Bulls take a run at Kevin Durant.

The Cavs get a new Big Three of LeBron, Kyrie, and emerging two-way superstar Jimmy Butler.  

Tristan Thompson is still their main big man.  Then maybe they use Mozgov more, or they use Channing Frye in the Kevin Love role.  

I tried to throw more assets into the trade, but the math wasn’t working.  Plus, the Cavs don’t REALLY have a ton of assets — with Delly being one of the better ones apart from Kevin Love.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[flybobbyflyParticipant]

 No way the bulls are giving up Bairstow. 

[flybobbyflyParticipant]

 No way the bulls are giving up Bairstow. 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

THIS seriously just made my month…

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

THIS seriously just made my month…

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Depends.

Some value, not a TON.  Would have to be part of a package deal.

I like this trade (combined with another guy on the trading block).

Kevin Love, Dellavadova, and 3 future first round picks to Chicago for Jimmy Butler, Cam Bairstow, and the 48th pick.

The Bulls get a backup point guard to go with Rose.  Plus, they still have a good core rotation inside.

With D Rose, Delly, McDermott, Tony Snell, K Love, Noah, Pau, and Taj Gibson maybe the Bulls take a run at Kevin Durant.

The Cavs get a new Big Three of LeBron, Kyrie, and emerging two-way superstar Jimmy Butler.  

Tristan Thompson is still their main big man.  Then maybe they use Mozgov more, or they use Channing Frye in the Kevin Love role.  

I tried to throw more assets into the trade, but the math wasn’t working.  Plus, the Cavs don’t REALLY have a ton of assets — with Delly being one of the better ones apart from Kevin Love.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 Love used to be a Dirk type of shooter but a better rebounder. Then he came to Cleveland and inexplicably turned into Keith Van Horn. Utterly baffling. 

I think his weight loss was a mistake. Sometimes a little chub can make you harder to guard (Barkley, Draymond Green, Paul Pierce). Somehow Love also became lurchier and less fluid in Cleveland. I have no answers for it. 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 Love used to be a Dirk type of shooter but a better rebounder. Then he came to Cleveland and inexplicably turned into Keith Van Horn. Utterly baffling. 

I think his weight loss was a mistake. Sometimes a little chub can make you harder to guard (Barkley, Draymond Green, Paul Pierce). Somehow Love also became lurchier and less fluid in Cleveland. I have no answers for it. 

 

[daggers818Participant]

 Totally agree with the weight loss as a factor. I’m not against him or for him, but Watching him at UCLA and Minny, he had that big ol a$$ that clears space in the paint and is difficult for thinner players to handle. Combined with his skills and IQ, this made him kind of unique imo.  With the weight loss, he seems ordinary. Seems counter intuitive, but I have to agree it’s made him worse. 

[daggers818Participant]

 Totally agree with the weight loss as a factor. I’m not against him or for him, but Watching him at UCLA and Minny, he had that big ol a$$ that clears space in the paint and is difficult for thinner players to handle. Combined with his skills and IQ, this made him kind of unique imo.  With the weight loss, he seems ordinary. Seems counter intuitive, but I have to agree it’s made him worse. 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Ah the daily "KLove’s trade value thread"

The problem with Love is that he’s never in a rhythm offensively. 

In Minnesota, he was allowed to get into a rhythm offensively. In Cleveland, he’s either force fed early, and if it doesn’t work, they stop going to him. Nothing happens organically. It seems like every touch he gets is designed rather than in the flow of their offense – mostly because there is no flow to the Cavs offense. 

Love is a good 3-point shooter. That’s not what made him a special scorer in MN though. He got to the FT like 8 times a game and he averaged 3-4 offensive rebounds per game. He doesn’t do either of those two things anymore because the Cavs use him like Channing Frye.

Thank goodness LeBron is too stupid to realize that Wiggins would’ve helped them more. Thank goodness Flip didn’t read these forums and see all the idiots saying "the Wolves have no leverage". He was smart enough to wait for LeBron to force that trade and the Wolves future looks brighter than it ever did with Love in large part because of it. 

  

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Ah the daily "KLove’s trade value thread"

The problem with Love is that he’s never in a rhythm offensively. 

In Minnesota, he was allowed to get into a rhythm offensively. In Cleveland, he’s either force fed early, and if it doesn’t work, they stop going to him. Nothing happens organically. It seems like every touch he gets is designed rather than in the flow of their offense – mostly because there is no flow to the Cavs offense. 

Love is a good 3-point shooter. That’s not what made him a special scorer in MN though. He got to the FT like 8 times a game and he averaged 3-4 offensive rebounds per game. He doesn’t do either of those two things anymore because the Cavs use him like Channing Frye.

Thank goodness LeBron is too stupid to realize that Wiggins would’ve helped them more. Thank goodness Flip didn’t read these forums and see all the idiots saying "the Wolves have no leverage". He was smart enough to wait for LeBron to force that trade and the Wolves future looks brighter than it ever did with Love in large part because of it. 

  

 

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Weight loss has taken his toughness too. Poor defender. He should actually focus on rebounding more that any other part of his game because that was his true gift.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Weight loss has taken his toughness too. Poor defender. He should actually focus on rebounding more that any other part of his game because that was his true gift.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Weight loss has nothing to do with his toughness. He broke out and became a beast in Minny WHEN he lost all that weight. 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Weight loss has nothing to do with his toughness. He broke out and became a beast in Minny WHEN he lost all that weight. 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

There are 2 Teams I think he would absolutely be the perfect fit on

1 is the Portland Trailblazers, don’t know what they’d be willing to part with (Dame and CJ are untouchable) But Kevin would be the perfect guy at PF next to Plumlee

He’d be a local kid coming home to an already competitive roster with a great young back court and some other nice young pieces (again I don’t who they’d lose in a trade, let’s just assume they aren’t gutted) The Rose City would be the best possible destination for Love and he’d help push the Blazers closer to the Warriors and Thunder going forward, they would likely need another piece or two afterwards but they’d be better than they are today…And I love the Blazers right now, I don’t think Kevin would disrupt what they have going…

2 is a Crazy One I admit but when you think about the Big Picture, it makes perfect sense…

Trade Kevin to the City of Brotherly Love…

I think Okafor would have to be involved in the deal, so right off the bat half the forum will hate it because they hate him, the other because they love him, either way the Cavs would be addind a dominant young C to pair up with Irving and James, the 76ers have enough ammo to add to this deal as well, they can give up Grant+the 24th and 26th picks and the right to swap picks with the Kings in 17′ and Cash Consideration just to start…

Philadelphia would be the perfect place to for Kevin because the city loves blue collar guys like Love(I think Cleveland is too Hollywood now that LBJ is there) He would be the 1st option next to a Defensive Savant in Noel and a monster on the bench in Embiid, plus Simmons would be there to get him wide open looks on the perimeter…The 76ers will still have plenty of Cap Space to add Shooters in Free Agency (Evan Fournier and Mathew Delladova would be the perfect back court for Ben Simmons and Kevin Love at SF and PF) If the Team doesn’t gel, we still own our pick plus LA’s to add more depth at G/F, Saric will certainly be here by then and the Team will add 2 more talented prospects via the deep 2017 Draft…

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

There are 2 Teams I think he would absolutely be the perfect fit on

1 is the Portland Trailblazers, don’t know what they’d be willing to part with (Dame and CJ are untouchable) But Kevin would be the perfect guy at PF next to Plumlee

He’d be a local kid coming home to an already competitive roster with a great young back court and some other nice young pieces (again I don’t who they’d lose in a trade, let’s just assume they aren’t gutted) The Rose City would be the best possible destination for Love and he’d help push the Blazers closer to the Warriors and Thunder going forward, they would likely need another piece or two afterwards but they’d be better than they are today…And I love the Blazers right now, I don’t think Kevin would disrupt what they have going…

2 is a Crazy One I admit but when you think about the Big Picture, it makes perfect sense…

Trade Kevin to the City of Brotherly Love…

I think Okafor would have to be involved in the deal, so right off the bat half the forum will hate it because they hate him, the other because they love him, either way the Cavs would be addind a dominant young C to pair up with Irving and James, the 76ers have enough ammo to add to this deal as well, they can give up Grant+the 24th and 26th picks and the right to swap picks with the Kings in 17′ and Cash Consideration just to start…

Philadelphia would be the perfect place to for Kevin because the city loves blue collar guys like Love(I think Cleveland is too Hollywood now that LBJ is there) He would be the 1st option next to a Defensive Savant in Noel and a monster on the bench in Embiid, plus Simmons would be there to get him wide open looks on the perimeter…The 76ers will still have plenty of Cap Space to add Shooters in Free Agency (Evan Fournier and Mathew Delladova would be the perfect back court for Ben Simmons and Kevin Love at SF and PF) If the Team doesn’t gel, we still own our pick plus LA’s to add more depth at G/F, Saric will certainly be here by then and the Team will add 2 more talented prospects via the deep 2017 Draft…

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

Unless Love played with a great RIM protector like D Howard, Whitside ect,,. he is a defensive liability. He has a BIG contract and his value is lower than ever. Can’t see any team giving up “equal value” (based on what Cleveland thinks they should get in return)

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

Unless Love played with a great RIM protector like D Howard, Whitside ect,,. he is a defensive liability. He has a BIG contract and his value is lower than ever. Can’t see any team giving up “equal value” (based on what Cleveland thinks they should get in return)

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

It’s draft day…7th pick is coming up…Buddy Hield is still on the board. Denver calls and offers Gallinari, the 7th pick, and Arthur/Lauvergne for Love. Do the Cavs say no?

His value is very tricky to gauge. Team’s know he’s not going to be the guy he was in Minnesota (numbers wise) for them, but they’re also pretty sure he’s not going to be as average as he’s looked for the majority of his Cleveland stint. So you’re getting a player somewhere in between those 2 depending on *team makeup/style of play/and role for him. There’s a lot of variables that go into determining his true value and you could get a wide range of answers depending on which GM you ask…the fact that he’s been a non-factor in the finals doesn’t help it, but having him locked up for another 4 years at a reasonable salary offsets that some.

I think Cleveland would want more than what I proposed, but how many teams with better assets that actually fit in Cleveland’s system (basically being a catch and shoot player if your name isn’t LeBron or Kyrie) are lining up to offer better packages? I have a feeling that list is very short.

 

 

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

It’s draft day…7th pick is coming up…Buddy Hield is still on the board. Denver calls and offers Gallinari, the 7th pick, and Arthur/Lauvergne for Love. Do the Cavs say no?

His value is very tricky to gauge. Team’s know he’s not going to be the guy he was in Minnesota (numbers wise) for them, but they’re also pretty sure he’s not going to be as average as he’s looked for the majority of his Cleveland stint. So you’re getting a player somewhere in between those 2 depending on *team makeup/style of play/and role for him. There’s a lot of variables that go into determining his true value and you could get a wide range of answers depending on which GM you ask…the fact that he’s been a non-factor in the finals doesn’t help it, but having him locked up for another 4 years at a reasonable salary offsets that some.

I think Cleveland would want more than what I proposed, but how many teams with better assets that actually fit in Cleveland’s system (basically being a catch and shoot player if your name isn’t LeBron or Kyrie) are lining up to offer better packages? I have a feeling that list is very short.

 

 

[The GoatParticipant]

I agree CU.Lions The game has evolved so quickly that any big man whether a face up or low post player now must be able to either protect the rim or be mobile enough to guard the perimeter.

The league went from having 3 clearly defined separate positions – 2 guards, small forwards and power forwards – to having stretch 4s as something different, and now  whats wanted are guys that can play all three of these positions.

Lebron, Draymond, Greek Freak, Simmons, Iguodala, Barnes, Batum, Winslow, Durant, Paul George- you need to play 2, 3 and 4 now. It’s no coincidence GSW have three of these guys and are a win away from repeating. 

For Kevin Love, I think in a few short years he’s gone from something everyone wants, a stretch 4, to someone no one wants –  a guy that can’t defend outside and can’t protect the rim. Guys like Monroe and Okafor dont have Loves jumper but are at least big enough to play the 5. Love isnt. So maybe he really is only as valuable as Ryan Anderson.

[The GoatParticipant]

I agree CU.Lions The game has evolved so quickly that any big man whether a face up or low post player now must be able to either protect the rim or be mobile enough to guard the perimeter.

The league went from having 3 clearly defined separate positions – 2 guards, small forwards and power forwards – to having stretch 4s as something different, and now  whats wanted are guys that can play all three of these positions.

Lebron, Draymond, Greek Freak, Simmons, Iguodala, Barnes, Batum, Winslow, Durant, Paul George- you need to play 2, 3 and 4 now. It’s no coincidence GSW have three of these guys and are a win away from repeating. 

For Kevin Love, I think in a few short years he’s gone from something everyone wants, a stretch 4, to someone no one wants –  a guy that can’t defend outside and can’t protect the rim. Guys like Monroe and Okafor dont have Loves jumper but are at least big enough to play the 5. Love isnt. So maybe he really is only as valuable as Ryan Anderson.

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