[kobyzParticipant]

even with the lottery there are still teams that tank and there are still fans that want their team to lose to get the last spot, this thing make very bad feeling about the league.
this is what NBA should do:
make a rule that the two worst record teams of the regular season will not be in the lottery, those two teams will automatic get the 4 and 5 spot in the draft! the others 12 teams of the non playoffs will make the lottery in today style.
i think what i suggestion will be fantastic for NBA, it will make the NBA more competitive cause for the lower teams also will be what to play for and they will compete hard to not be in the last two spots, managers of those teams will have a need to make competitive teams and they would not going into the season in tank mode cause they will not want to be in the last two positions.
i really love the NBA but this part of the league always bother me, i think what i offer will be fantastic for the NBA and will take the bad of the NBA!

[LawDeeZeeParticipant]

team that comes closest to making the playoffs without actually making it gets the most ping pong balls?

[knicks82Participant]

^^yes to that LawDeeZee. I said that a while back, it would make the league a little more competitive IMO.

[kobyzParticipant]

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[llperez]

i was ready to rip on the idea when i entered the thread. but after reading it, i actually agree. Two worst teams getting the 4th and 5th spot requires teams to actually compete to win games all the way through the end of the season. Not a bad idea in my book.

[llperez]

i however disagree with lawDeeZee. I think that would be a terrible idea.

[kobyzParticipant]

LawDeeZee: no! the two worst team will not make the lottery(automatic get the 4 and 5 spot in the draft) but there will be a lottery of 12 teams who didn’t make the playoff in today style with the worst team of the 12 get more ping pong balls.

[ChiefSixOneParticipant]

if you really want it competitive whoever has the most wins gets the pick and so on..

[kaceyParticipant]

Seems like a solid idea to make the league a little more competitive, but with that format you are just simply penalizing two teams that are actually the worst teams and probably should be the two teams getting the first and second pick. Teams would just play to be the 3rd worst team in the league.

I don’t see the problem with the way the lottery is now. Teams that tank aren’t guaranteed the first pick in the draft.

[the I in winParticipant]

In the last 20 years only twice has the worst team actually won the lottery. (Orlando in 1992 and Cleveland in 2003) I don’t much see a reason to change it up. I’m sure that their are a few teams each year that try to lose a few at the end of the season but by then you won’t be watching them, you will be watching the top contending teams.

[NashyMingParticipant]

How about making the worst 5 teams with the same odd of winning the top 3 picks? Then 6~10 at a lower odd, and 11~14 at another odd.

This way, everyone can still potentially win the #1 while the incentive to be the worst is lower. It also allows the worst team to potentially rebuild quicker (that’s the reason for allowing crappy teams to get the high chance to win the top 3 picks anyway).

The 11~14 are more than likely fighting for a playoff spot till the end anyway.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Wow, that is a truelly aweful aweful idea. Im sorry but that just makes no sense at all.

1. How bout when a team is just plain bad and loses alot of games…why punish them more and cost them a chance to get a top pick?

2. How does it improve the competitveness at all? It simply makes the NBA more of what it is and that is an uneven league. The rich would get richer and the poor would get poorer.

3. In the NFL this may be plausible but in the NBA the difference between pick 1 and pick 4 is a really steep one…drafts are getting weaker and weaker to the point where its a crapshoot after the top 3 picks…to think that a 45 win team gets that pick over a team with 20 wins is ludicrous. It doesnt improve the competivness, it waters it down ever more. What happened to parity, how are teams ever going to get better if they dont have a chance to build through the draft. Now with all the Stars wanting to play together, small market teams only options are to build smartly and through the draft, and that just cant happen if they are punished for being bad.

The lottery system is rediculous, no other sport does it and its just plain stupid. The worst teams in the league shoud have the highest picks, THEY ARE THE WORST, they need the most help, why deny them that help?

[llperez]

so you reward teams for sucking and encourage them to lose games? I think the draft is fair. Telling two teams who both are out of the playoffs in the final month that loser gets to automatically pick higher and finishing last gaurantees you get the next big thing in the draft doesnt work for me.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

U think the draft is fair? How on earth is it fair at all? When a team like the Bulls who are supposed to picking around 10 or 12 end up with the 1st pick in the draft and get a guy in Derrick Rose who has shown can change a franchise around and be a star, I just dont see how that does the teams who are worse and more needing of a player of that caliber does any justice. Do some teams tank? yeah, every single team in the NBA tanks it sometimes…every last one of them. The Boston Celtics rest their guys during “meaningless games”, the Spurs have been doing it for like the last 5 years from time to time, just because a team may tank a few games doesnt warrent them losing out on a chance to draft a potential franchise lifting talent…I’m not saying that is a guarentee, but I think ppl would agree that the chance of getting that talent drastically drops after the 1st or 2nd pick, especially nowadays with the 1 and done being such a frequent occurence.

The worst teams in the NBA are the worst for a reason…sometimes injurys, but usually its the lack of talent, why deny a team the chance to upgrade the lack of talent by ensuring that they dont get the best players?

[leppyParticipant]

how bout actually show the ping pong balls get pulled. they do it behind curtains now so they can rig who wins

[Afactor4Participant]

As a Clipper fan that witnessed his team basically give up when they were only like 2 games below .500, only to trade key players for salary cap purposes, and basically 75% of their games after that, I wouldn’t mind placing the worst two teams at 4th and 5th at all.

The thing is though, as one poster already pointed out, most of the time the team with the worst record didn’t get the #1 pick, and this years draft goes down as another example. The Nets had the absolute worst record in the NBA, but ended up 3rd, and lost out on arguably the two lock future all stars.

[llperez]

biggysmalls, the nba season often comes to a grinding halt during the last few weeks for many teams as they realize they have no chance at the playoffs. Can you imagine if knowing full well that losing would gaurantee a shot at wall, lebron, blake or whoever is that years prized number 1 pick? It would be garbage city and a true injustice to fans who paid for season seats.

As you pointed out, the NFL is different. Teams only play 16 games and they know they need to get the most out of those games to keep fans interest. Also as you pointed out, the nfl doesnt have the same standards as the nba draft where a higher pick is so much more valued. The difference between the number 1 and 5 pick in the nba is a big difference compared to the number 1 and 5 pick in the nfl. Teams in the nba would love to get that top pick.

I dont think teams should be given such great incentive to throw games and quit on the season so early with so many games left. Put the balls in the lottery, weigh it for the worst teams, and see what happens. In the occasion that a higher team wins a top 3 pick, so be it. Dont reward teams who suck at their job. The worst team in the league is gauranteed a top 4 pick and they should feel happy with that. I think the system is absoultely fair.

[kaceyParticipant]

Another thing that makes the NFL draft different is that there are more than five positions in the sport. Granted two of those positions (kicker and punter) have no influence on a team’s draft strategy. Regardless, NFL drafts are always deep and loaded with players. Being a 3rd round pick in the NFL draft is equivalent to being a late first round pick in the NBA draft.

I agree with Perez. The current lottery system is fair. It’s way better than how they use to do it in the early 90’s. Take a look: http://www.nba.com/history/lottery_probabilities.html

In 1993, the Magic had one chance, and were lucky enough to get the first pick. The next year they switched to the current system.

[kobyzParticipant]

you didn’t get the main goal of my lottery change suggestion!
my main goal is to make the NBA more competitive and the games more fun to watch and to decrease tanking, i think my idea does that while keeping the principle and intent of the lottery.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Balls get pulled so we know it’s not rigged. I personally believe it is rigged because they do not show the balls get pulled.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

LLPerez…I see what ur saying about not letting teams have an incentive to suck, but I just have to disagree. Every single team tanks it at some points during the season…and what about those teams that dont tank it…they just suck. what about the team that does play it out, the NBA is a tough league and sometimes teams just dont win alot, why punish them by denying them a chance to draft a guy that can potentially turn a franchise around?

The NFL point was made to show how those drafts are typically alot deeper where you can potentially get a really reallly good player later on, where in the NBa there is alot less margin for error in the draft and lately it seems like after the 2nd or 3rd pick it is a complete crapshoot. So why make the worst teams have those picks…they are the worst teams, they need the higher picks.

If anything at all, why dont they just show the lottery thing happen? Why cant they do that? What are they hiding?

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