[EspressoParticipant]

 Curry is just better. Higher FG% that Harden will never be able to get, never. Doesnt pound the ball as much. If we account for Harden’s field attemp he takes over Curry, we are ignoring the fact all the times he needs to pound the ball 1v1 to get those fouls to get to 27ppg.

Curry has a better team so that holds him back just about those 3ppg Harden has over Curry.

Harden is not better than Curry. NBA players are straight disrespecting Curry when all the players voted Harden the MVP.

IMHO, all the black players dont want to admit that the MVP is a white boy who’s shot is so wet they dont know what to do.

Curry deserved the MVP, and is a better player than Harden

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 The MVP isn’t the whose better contest- its whose most VALUABLE to their team, players voted Harden in because they feel like he boosts his team up more than what Curry does his.

[EspressoParticipant]

 Curry just won the ‘ship. Are you trying to tell me that the Warriors wouldve been remotely close to getting there without Curry.

Everytime I watched the Warriors play, it was Curry who came up with a miracle play to put them back in the game or simply win it.

Curry is a better player, and more valuable.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 They might not have won the Chip but they still would have been in the playoffs. Houston would have been at the top of the lottery without Harden. He takes them from terrible to the Western Conference Finals

[EspressoParticipant]

 So would Curry. Houston has a top Center.

D Wade won a ring with Shaq. If you pair an All star guard, with an Allstar Center… they are bound to do good.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

Curry didn’t though, he’s not on Houston, James Harden is, and James is more critical to Houston succeeding than Steph Curry is to Golden State. This isn’t a what if Curry played for them trophy, its a who meant more to the team they actually did play on.

[EspressoParticipant]

 Golden State wouldnt be as good as you think without Curry. They wouldnt make the Playoffs either. It’s not a what if game, it is what is, Curry is the MVP who just took his team to the ‘ship. The fact that his teammates are a little better isnt enought for stripping Curry of his title…. specially not when he is a better player period.

Say what you want, but there is actually a reason why Curry got the MVP, matter fact, I wasnt even arguing for MVP, I was arguing for -better player-. But if you want to really get into it…. Yes, Curry is the MVP and a better player.

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

The fact that Iguoadala was the one who won the Finals MVP, not Curry, and that he had 1 all-star with him as well as 2 top 5 players in the DPOY voting speaks a lot on how help Curry has on his team.

Face it, Harden is the more valuable player for his franchise here. He led Houston to the 2nd best record in the league with an oft-injured cast. Howard and Jones were injured for really long stretches. Same for Beverley. That’s 3 of your top 5 players there injured for most the season and the Rockets still got the 2nd best record in the West. Harden really carried that team on his back.

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

The fact that Iguoadala was the one who won the Finals MVP, not Curry, and that he had 1 all-star with him as well as 2 top 5 players in the DPOY voting speaks a lot on how help Curry has on his team.

Face it, Harden is the more valuable player for his franchise here. He led Houston to the 2nd best record in the league with an oft-injured cast. Howard and Jones were injured for really long stretches. Same for Beverley. That’s 3 of your top 5 players there injured for most the season and the Rockets still got the 2nd best record in the West. Harden really carried that team on his back.

 

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

If you switched Curry with a decent to good starting point guard, say Darren Collison then they would still be a tough playoff team to oust.

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

If you switched Curry with a decent to good starting point guard, say Darren Collison then they would still be a tough playoff team to oust.

[EspressoParticipant]

 Golden State wouldnt be as good as you think without Curry. They wouldnt make the Playoffs either. It’s not a what if game, it is what is, Curry is the MVP who just took his team to the ‘ship. The fact that his teammates are a little better isnt enought for stripping Curry of his title…. specially not when he is a better player period.

Say what you want, but there is actually a reason why Curry got the MVP, matter fact, I wasnt even arguing for MVP, I was arguing for -better player-. But if you want to really get into it…. Yes, Curry is the MVP and a better player.

 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

Curry didn’t though, he’s not on Houston, James Harden is, and James is more critical to Houston succeeding than Steph Curry is to Golden State. This isn’t a what if Curry played for them trophy, its a who meant more to the team they actually did play on.

[EspressoParticipant]

 So would Curry. Houston has a top Center.

D Wade won a ring with Shaq. If you pair an All star guard, with an Allstar Center… they are bound to do good.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 They might not have won the Chip but they still would have been in the playoffs. Houston would have been at the top of the lottery without Harden. He takes them from terrible to the Western Conference Finals

[EspressoParticipant]

 Curry just won the ‘ship. Are you trying to tell me that the Warriors wouldve been remotely close to getting there without Curry.

Everytime I watched the Warriors play, it was Curry who came up with a miracle play to put them back in the game or simply win it.

Curry is a better player, and more valuable.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 The MVP isn’t the whose better contest- its whose most VALUABLE to their team, players voted Harden in because they feel like he boosts his team up more than what Curry does his.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I don’t think the consensus belief is that Harden is better than Curry. I’d say at least 70 percent of basketball fans think Curry is better. I also don’t think he is white which would make no difference whether is white, black, brown, blue, or green.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I don’t think the consensus belief is that Harden is better than Curry. I’d say at least 70 percent of basketball fans think Curry is better. I also don’t think he is white which would make no difference whether is white, black, brown, blue, or green.

[trelos6Participant]

This talk is all about the word VALUABLE. 

 

Let’s face it, LBJ wins this award every year if it was value added to team. Without him, his scrub Cavs win 30 games only. 

[EspressoParticipant]

 You are actually, 100% right my friend. LOL

[EspressoParticipant]

 You are actually, 100% right my friend. LOL

[trelos6Participant]

This talk is all about the word VALUABLE. 

 

Let’s face it, LBJ wins this award every year if it was value added to team. Without him, his scrub Cavs win 30 games only. 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 Curry’s game stretches defenses to the point of breaking – whereas Harden’s game is Very similar to Allen Iverson’s – an unstoppable scorer but it depends on getting to the Foul Line & it gums up the Offense… Harden is a much better shooter than A.I. but since his trade to Houston, Harden Free Throw Attempts per game have more than Doubled from 4.3 FTA per game to 9.8 FTA / game which would match A.I. who believe it or not got to the Free throw line more times per game than ANY player in history except Shaq & Wilt… (how crazy is that!)

In the playoffs Curry’s game causes even More problems b/c you really can’t nullify that crazy 25’+ range, But Harden has to work even harder to get his whistles b/c refs allow much more physical play in the post season & it slows the whole team down, there is no movement….I break it down more below, but that us the summary in case you don;t feel like reading it all…

Ok w/ all that said, here is why I put Curry slightly ahead of Harden… Curry stretches the defense to point of breaking – it’s almost the exact inverse of what Shaq & Tim Duncan did for 15 years but it’s Every bit as effective… B/c they create such a mismatch & they are able to set up SO deep in the defense’s @ss, it forces all types of help or double & triple teams to collapse on the big men & it created ALL types of room for Everyone else… & it makes Everyone on the floor for their team That much better… B/c Curry must be guarded out to an Insane 25+ feet it Literally pulls the defense apart creating the Same mismatches All over the place… Defenses want to remain compact, they are attemepting to function as a 5 man frame that locks in place & over the course of a game consistently makes it harder to score but maintaining Positional discpline – the Spurs have Mastered this & made it an Art form… But Curry rips that apart in the same way that Shaq or Duncan used to b/c the Defense can no longer dictate – Curry is dictatinbg & forcing them to leave their comfort zone & do things that they do Not want to do… & it is Multiplied in the Playoffs…

Harden – conversely – it Less effective in the playoffs & here is why… He will Always get his points but in the regular season when teams just do not have the time to game plan for him & the refs are much more willing to call ticky tacky fouls, Harden is going to kill you by getting to line All Day Long – Allen Iverson used to do the Exact same thing & people don;t even realize it – Iverson at 5’11’ 160 lbs got the the Free Throw line More times per game than EVERY player in History except Shaq & Wilt (think about that) – but once again it did Not transfer to the playoffs b/c neither guy has the range that Curry posesses along w/ the ability to drive… Harden is a MUCH better shooter than Iverson but check out HArden’s stats – in 3 years in OKC he averaged 4.3 Free throw attempts per game – in 3 seasons in Houston Harden is at Iverson’s amazing FTA #’s – Harden is at 9.8 Free Throw Attempts per game in Houston – He is on pace to match Iverson for 3rd most in HISTORY… & Harden’s playoff attempts are Identical… Still I feel like he is running into the same problem Iverson did, in the Playoffs, the Refs allow the game to be MUCH more physical. They both have to work Way harder to get those same Free Throws & this really gums up the Offense… Teams are preparing for them & they are conceding the Free Throws but they are not doubling as much & where Curry’s game is so flexible stretches the Defense & opens up his Team’s Offense to a nice flow, Harden’s game – like Iverson’s – in the playoffs becomes bogged down & the natural flow of the offense suffers…

I Luv that Harden made the statement b/c he’s really establishing himself as the clear leader in Houston, I believe that Dwight Howard will actually fucntion Better being the 2nd Fiddle b/c he does not react well to being the main man… So I applaud Harden for that but they really need to find a way to build a different system b/c I just don;t think it’s going to work w/ 4 guys standing around watching one guy work to get to the charity stripe while Golden State’s Curry is conducting a symphony… It’s a known fact that when players stand around on offense they are less active on defense… I really tthink this is why the Warriors are so great in Defense, they are All rewarded at the offensive end… Just my opinion, soory for the length….

 

 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 Curry’s game stretches defenses to the point of breaking – whereas Harden’s game is Very similar to Allen Iverson’s – an unstoppable scorer but it depends on getting to the Foul Line & it gums up the Offense… Harden is a much better shooter than A.I. but since his trade to Houston, Harden Free Throw Attempts per game have more than Doubled from 4.3 FTA per game to 9.8 FTA / game which would match A.I. who believe it or not got to the Free throw line more times per game than ANY player in history except Shaq & Wilt… (how crazy is that!)

In the playoffs Curry’s game causes even More problems b/c you really can’t nullify that crazy 25’+ range, But Harden has to work even harder to get his whistles b/c refs allow much more physical play in the post season & it slows the whole team down, there is no movement….I break it down more below, but that us the summary in case you don;t feel like reading it all…

Ok w/ all that said, here is why I put Curry slightly ahead of Harden… Curry stretches the defense to point of breaking – it’s almost the exact inverse of what Shaq & Tim Duncan did for 15 years but it’s Every bit as effective… B/c they create such a mismatch & they are able to set up SO deep in the defense’s @ss, it forces all types of help or double & triple teams to collapse on the big men & it created ALL types of room for Everyone else… & it makes Everyone on the floor for their team That much better… B/c Curry must be guarded out to an Insane 25+ feet it Literally pulls the defense apart creating the Same mismatches All over the place… Defenses want to remain compact, they are attemepting to function as a 5 man frame that locks in place & over the course of a game consistently makes it harder to score but maintaining Positional discpline – the Spurs have Mastered this & made it an Art form… But Curry rips that apart in the same way that Shaq or Duncan used to b/c the Defense can no longer dictate – Curry is dictatinbg & forcing them to leave their comfort zone & do things that they do Not want to do… & it is Multiplied in the Playoffs…

Harden – conversely – it Less effective in the playoffs & here is why… He will Always get his points but in the regular season when teams just do not have the time to game plan for him & the refs are much more willing to call ticky tacky fouls, Harden is going to kill you by getting to line All Day Long – Allen Iverson used to do the Exact same thing & people don;t even realize it – Iverson at 5’11’ 160 lbs got the the Free Throw line More times per game than EVERY player in History except Shaq & Wilt (think about that) – but once again it did Not transfer to the playoffs b/c neither guy has the range that Curry posesses along w/ the ability to drive… Harden is a MUCH better shooter than Iverson but check out HArden’s stats – in 3 years in OKC he averaged 4.3 Free throw attempts per game – in 3 seasons in Houston Harden is at Iverson’s amazing FTA #’s – Harden is at 9.8 Free Throw Attempts per game in Houston – He is on pace to match Iverson for 3rd most in HISTORY… & Harden’s playoff attempts are Identical… Still I feel like he is running into the same problem Iverson did, in the Playoffs, the Refs allow the game to be MUCH more physical. They both have to work Way harder to get those same Free Throws & this really gums up the Offense… Teams are preparing for them & they are conceding the Free Throws but they are not doubling as much & where Curry’s game is so flexible stretches the Defense & opens up his Team’s Offense to a nice flow, Harden’s game – like Iverson’s – in the playoffs becomes bogged down & the natural flow of the offense suffers…

I Luv that Harden made the statement b/c he’s really establishing himself as the clear leader in Houston, I believe that Dwight Howard will actually fucntion Better being the 2nd Fiddle b/c he does not react well to being the main man… So I applaud Harden for that but they really need to find a way to build a different system b/c I just don;t think it’s going to work w/ 4 guys standing around watching one guy work to get to the charity stripe while Golden State’s Curry is conducting a symphony… It’s a known fact that when players stand around on offense they are less active on defense… I really tthink this is why the Warriors are so great in Defense, they are All rewarded at the offensive end… Just my opinion, soory for the length….

 

 

 

[Rip256]

 STOP!

How many seasons has Harden been better. How many seasons has Curry been better?

Extend your memory beyond one (deserved) MVP season.

Its closer than you think.

 

 

 

[Rip256]

 STOP!

How many seasons has Harden been better. How many seasons has Curry been better?

Extend your memory beyond one (deserved) MVP season.

Its closer than you think.

 

 

 

[CynthiaParticipant]

It’s pretty simple when you really think about it.

There’s three things James Harden is known for, his shooting ability, his handles (for a SG) and his passing/playmaking (for a SG). Curry is a better shooter across the board in percentages, Curry has better handles and is much more elusive, as for playmaking you could say they are pretty close but Curry does average more assists. So in the end, the three things Harden is above average for, Curry is even better at them. Neither is an outstanding defender so I’m not even going to go there.

The one thing Harden is significantly better than Curry at is his slashing ability and being aggressive. Harden gets A LOT of free throws, almost to the point of it being exploitive, but I’m not knocking it; you get what you can get. But to me, it’s not even close.

[CynthiaParticipant]

It’s pretty simple when you really think about it.

There’s three things James Harden is known for, his shooting ability, his handles (for a SG) and his passing/playmaking (for a SG). Curry is a better shooter across the board in percentages, Curry has better handles and is much more elusive, as for playmaking you could say they are pretty close but Curry does average more assists. So in the end, the three things Harden is above average for, Curry is even better at them. Neither is an outstanding defender so I’m not even going to go there.

The one thing Harden is significantly better than Curry at is his slashing ability and being aggressive. Harden gets A LOT of free throws, almost to the point of it being exploitive, but I’m not knocking it; you get what you can get. But to me, it’s not even close.

[I.C.Y.U.NV.MEParticipant]

 Dell Curry is a black man…that would make his children black as well. Not that race matters. Why was it even brought up? Anyway…yes, Steph is the better player, but Harden is more valuable to his team. Someone mentioned Iggy winning Finals MVP over Curry. Who on the Rockets could win Finals MVP over Harden. Exactly.

[I.C.Y.U.NV.MEParticipant]

 Dell Curry is a black man…that would make his children black as well. Not that race matters. Why was it even brought up? Anyway…yes, Steph is the better player, but Harden is more valuable to his team. Someone mentioned Iggy winning Finals MVP over Curry. Who on the Rockets could win Finals MVP over Harden. Exactly.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Last time I remember, Steph Curry is black. His mother is not even white,

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Last time I remember, Steph Curry is black. His mother is not even white,

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Mostly Black

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Mostly Black

[iguapops420Participant]

how did trelos6 get a +10 for that post. It seems people have decided to severely underrate love/Irving. Not to mention the terrific supporting cast of mozgov/Tristan/shumpert/delly/jr. This a team that would allow love to be the player he had been previously before lbj decided to make him a stretch4 only and kyrie an off ball super mo Williams. It’s the east people. If expect that team wins MINIMUM 44 games. Please stop the overrating of lbj. Yes he’s great but he also brings some of his teammates abilities down(kyrie,love,bosh,wAde) while mAking others better (delly,mo Williams,boobie Gibson,chalmers).

As for Curry/Harden, Curry is the better talent/player, but Harden meant more to his team. Even though the refs did help him out with a free throw a full two percent higher than the second highest ever.

[iguapops420Participant]

how did trelos6 get a +10 for that post. It seems people have decided to severely underrate love/Irving. Not to mention the terrific supporting cast of mozgov/Tristan/shumpert/delly/jr. This a team that would allow love to be the player he had been previously before lbj decided to make him a stretch4 only and kyrie an off ball super mo Williams. It’s the east people. If expect that team wins MINIMUM 44 games. Please stop the overrating of lbj. Yes he’s great but he also brings some of his teammates abilities down(kyrie,love,bosh,wAde) while mAking others better (delly,mo Williams,boobie Gibson,chalmers).

As for Curry/Harden, Curry is the better talent/player, but Harden meant more to his team. Even though the refs did help him out with a free throw a full two percent higher than the second highest ever.

[CynthiaParticipant]

Because…

How many playoff games did these guys play before LeBron came back last season?
Kyrie Irving – 0
Kevin Love – 0
Timofey Mozgov – 1 (Bench Warmer)
Tristan Thompson – 0
Iman Shumpert – 2 (1 as a Bench Warmer, 1 as a Role Player)
Matthew Dellvedova – 0
J.R. Smith – 7

J.R. Smith is the only guy you named that has had any decent post season experience or success, and as we all know he’s usually more of a liability than not.

So are we underrating this "terrific supporting cast"? No, they couldn’t do it without LeBron.

[CynthiaParticipant]

Because…

How many playoff games did these guys play before LeBron came back last season?
Kyrie Irving – 0
Kevin Love – 0
Timofey Mozgov – 1 (Bench Warmer)
Tristan Thompson – 0
Iman Shumpert – 2 (1 as a Bench Warmer, 1 as a Role Player)
Matthew Dellvedova – 0
J.R. Smith – 7

J.R. Smith is the only guy you named that has had any decent post season experience or success, and as we all know he’s usually more of a liability than not.

So are we underrating this "terrific supporting cast"? No, they couldn’t do it without LeBron.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 Curry is excellent because of how much he bends opposing defenses, even when he doesn’t have the ball.  Harden is as good with the ball, certainly, but off ball, he just isn’t the threat Curry is.  Add in that Steph is generally a better defender and I’d take Steph.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Exactly. Harden is the more versatile offensive player and can beat you from more spots on the floor. However, just the threat of curry being on the floor creates so many problems for opposing defenses. His ability to create and hit tough shots with efficiency and plus the fact that he is an unbelievable ball-handler and passer is basically unprecedented in NBA history. His overall impact on the game is just greater than harden whether he is "better" or not. Not to take anything away from what harden did last year though. I really thought the mvp could’ve went either way.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Exactly. Harden is the more versatile offensive player and can beat you from more spots on the floor. However, just the threat of curry being on the floor creates so many problems for opposing defenses. His ability to create and hit tough shots with efficiency and plus the fact that he is an unbelievable ball-handler and passer is basically unprecedented in NBA history. His overall impact on the game is just greater than harden whether he is "better" or not. Not to take anything away from what harden did last year though. I really thought the mvp could’ve went either way.

[PulseGlazerParticipant]

 Curry is excellent because of how much he bends opposing defenses, even when he doesn’t have the ball.  Harden is as good with the ball, certainly, but off ball, he just isn’t the threat Curry is.  Add in that Steph is generally a better defender and I’d take Steph.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Curry > Harden

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Curry > Harden

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Boy is lightskin. Thats that dumb sh1÷ right there. You seen his mom and dad?

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Boy is lightskin. Thats that dumb sh1÷ right there. You seen his mom and dad?

[Rip256]

 Popularity has a major influence on swinging peoples opinions on debates like this. 

Dwight Howard isn’t even good according to the average NBA fan. 

 

 

[Rip256]

 Popularity has a major influence on swinging peoples opinions on debates like this. 

Dwight Howard isn’t even good according to the average NBA fan. 

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

I think OP was right

[EspressoParticipant]

I think OP was right

[OhCanada-Participant]

 No your wrong. Curry is not a white boy he is obviously black and the players did not vote for Harden in spite of the white man because Curry is black. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 No your wrong. Curry is not a white boy he is obviously black and the players did not vote for Harden in spite of the white man because Curry is black. 

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