[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

Monster block by Miles Plumlee on Jabari going to the hole.  Also, what’s up with 10 turnovers and 3 assists or Jabari in his first 2 games?  I was wondering if he’d on his 80 turnover 40 assist aseason he had at Duke.  It’s summer league and it’s early, but those numbers are not looking good.  

[JJ_PRParticipant]

It’s gonna take time for him to adjust to the speed of the NBA, same scenario with Otto Porter last year. Porter looks much better this year. Parker certainly needs to hit the weight room and lose some pounds.

[JJ_PRParticipant]

It’s gonna take time for him to adjust to the speed of the NBA, same scenario with Otto Porter last year. Porter looks much better this year. Parker certainly needs to hit the weight room and lose some pounds.

[ChewyParticipant]

 is not going to make him money driving the hole and dunking on people. He will make it on spot up 3s and pull up/ post up jumpshots.

Also in SL turnovers tend to go up and assists go down. The whole Suns team had 2 assists in an entire game. People are trying to make an impression, everyone is playing too fast and it’s a mostly mashed together team. Team ND Alumni had more continuity in The Basketball Tournament than most teams in this SL.

I don’t expect Jabari to average 7 assists a game or anything crazy like that, but those numbers will even out during the regular season.

  

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 is not going to make him money driving the hole and dunking on people. He will make it on spot up 3s and pull up/ post up jumpshots.

Also in SL turnovers tend to go up and assists go down. The whole Suns team had 2 assists in an entire game. People are trying to make an impression, everyone is playing too fast and it’s a mostly mashed together team. Team ND Alumni had more continuity in The Basketball Tournament than most teams in this SL.

I don’t expect Jabari to average 7 assists a game or anything crazy like that, but those numbers will even out during the regular season.

  

 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Yes, because hitting the weights helps you lose weight???

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Yes, because hitting the weights helps you lose weight???

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 It actually does.Losing weight has more to do with your diet, lifting weights isnt solely for getting big.

Thanks for telling everybody you dont lift, though.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 It actually does.Losing weight has more to do with your diet, lifting weights isnt solely for getting big.

Thanks for telling everybody you dont lift, though.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Guys who have the ball a lot tend to turn it over, too.  10 in two games is bad but not REALLY BAD.

How is his defense?  That is more important…

Also, does he look like a 3 or a 4…

How does he fit in with Giannis?  Both guys sound promising, so how do they fit?  Perhaps they use those two along with Wolters and Knight at guard with John Henson as their center…

Add a piece or two next year, and shop Larry Sanders and OJ Mayo as soon as possible. 

What about Sanders and OJ Mayo to the Bulls for Carlos Boozer, Dunleavy, a future first round pick, and a future second round pick.

Sanders would give the Bulls a fourth big behind Noah, Pau, and Taj.  Larry Sanders is basically just a center but I think he could play with either of those three other bigs.  He gives them another long shot blocker who can rebound.

OJ Mayo gives them another scoring option on the wing and a guy who is a decent ball handler and passer.  He and Jimmy Butler could be a good wing combo with Tony Snell as the third wing.  Mayo can get you 14 or 15 points a game and can make jump shots.  Oh man, forgot about Doug McDermott.  Butler, Mayo, McDermott, and Snell is a heck of a four wing rotation.  I am thinking they start Butler at the 3 and Mayo at the 2 with Doug McDermott being the main sniper off the bench.  Maybe Dougie even plays some stretch four.

The Bucks get some veterans to help out the young guys.  Boozer can still board and score at power forward.  Dunleavy can do a bit of everything on the wing.  Even bigger, they are both expiring contracts after this season, so the Bucks will have some money to play with.  They also get a future first round pick to go after another rotation guy and another second round pick. 

The Bulls would like to win now.  With the Pau signing I am not sure where Boozer fits.  Why not trade him and get guys who can help you win? 

After this trade the Bulls would have a key rotation of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, OJ Mayo, Doug McDermott, Tony Snell, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Pau Gasol, and Larry Sanders with Kirk Hinrich possibly coming back.  If Mirotic comes over then that is a really solid team from top to bottom.  Tons of different options with more length, scoring, and the addition of another shot blocker/rebounder in Larry Sanders.

… the Bucks on the other hand continue to rebuild.  They get a couple of solid veterans to help out the youngsters and then who are expiring contracts next summer.  A couple of extra draft picks will help, too.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Guys who have the ball a lot tend to turn it over, too.  10 in two games is bad but not REALLY BAD.

How is his defense?  That is more important…

Also, does he look like a 3 or a 4…

How does he fit in with Giannis?  Both guys sound promising, so how do they fit?  Perhaps they use those two along with Wolters and Knight at guard with John Henson as their center…

Add a piece or two next year, and shop Larry Sanders and OJ Mayo as soon as possible. 

What about Sanders and OJ Mayo to the Bulls for Carlos Boozer, Dunleavy, a future first round pick, and a future second round pick.

Sanders would give the Bulls a fourth big behind Noah, Pau, and Taj.  Larry Sanders is basically just a center but I think he could play with either of those three other bigs.  He gives them another long shot blocker who can rebound.

OJ Mayo gives them another scoring option on the wing and a guy who is a decent ball handler and passer.  He and Jimmy Butler could be a good wing combo with Tony Snell as the third wing.  Mayo can get you 14 or 15 points a game and can make jump shots.  Oh man, forgot about Doug McDermott.  Butler, Mayo, McDermott, and Snell is a heck of a four wing rotation.  I am thinking they start Butler at the 3 and Mayo at the 2 with Doug McDermott being the main sniper off the bench.  Maybe Dougie even plays some stretch four.

The Bucks get some veterans to help out the young guys.  Boozer can still board and score at power forward.  Dunleavy can do a bit of everything on the wing.  Even bigger, they are both expiring contracts after this season, so the Bucks will have some money to play with.  They also get a future first round pick to go after another rotation guy and another second round pick. 

The Bulls would like to win now.  With the Pau signing I am not sure where Boozer fits.  Why not trade him and get guys who can help you win? 

After this trade the Bulls would have a key rotation of Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler, OJ Mayo, Doug McDermott, Tony Snell, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Pau Gasol, and Larry Sanders with Kirk Hinrich possibly coming back.  If Mirotic comes over then that is a really solid team from top to bottom.  Tons of different options with more length, scoring, and the addition of another shot blocker/rebounder in Larry Sanders.

… the Bucks on the other hand continue to rebuild.  They get a couple of solid veterans to help out the youngsters and then who are expiring contracts next summer.  A couple of extra draft picks will help, too.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Just watched the entire hilight of Jabari’s game against wiggins.  Not once did it show Jabari passing the ball…..not one pass.  That has always been my criticism against Jabari.  Not that he’s going to bust in the nba not that he went to duke and I’m a unc fan, but the dude is straight up selfish.  I think people overlook this because he’s a nice guy but I absolutely can’t stand selfishness.  He was selfish at duke and he’s starting out selfish in the nba.  If I was bucks management I’d be extremely concerned.  Will he ever look to make his teammates better?

[machu46Participant]

 Did you watch Dawk Ins’ highlight video of their matchup?  If you do, the video shows one or two nice passes from him.  He isn’t going to get a ton of assists, but he’s shown to be pretty smart about being able to read a defense and knowing when to get the ball out of his hands.  I could care less if he averages 5+ assists as Milwaukee’s PF.

[machu46Participant]

 Did you watch Dawk Ins’ highlight video of their matchup?  If you do, the video shows one or two nice passes from him.  He isn’t going to get a ton of assists, but he’s shown to be pretty smart about being able to read a defense and knowing when to get the ball out of his hands.  I could care less if he averages 5+ assists as Milwaukee’s PF.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Just watched the entire hilight of Jabari’s game against wiggins.  Not once did it show Jabari passing the ball…..not one pass.  That has always been my criticism against Jabari.  Not that he’s going to bust in the nba not that he went to duke and I’m a unc fan, but the dude is straight up selfish.  I think people overlook this because he’s a nice guy but I absolutely can’t stand selfishness.  He was selfish at duke and he’s starting out selfish in the nba.  If I was bucks management I’d be extremely concerned.  Will he ever look to make his teammates better?

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

^ Jabari has always been selfish, him changing that aspect is going to be extremely tough.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

^ Jabari has always been selfish, him changing that aspect is going to be extremely tough.

[ncballer]

 Jabari will be fine.  This was his second "professional" game.  

[ncballer]

 Jabari will be fine.  This was his second "professional" game.  

[tuck243Participant]

Never get too high or too low on Summer League…  We see this every year and I don’t know why you continue to chime in on Jabari on every post you create…  It’s obvious you have deep rooted hate towards the young fella…

But since you took it there let’s discuss the actual game and not look at boxscores or how you put it ‘Highlights’ (which is LAUGHABLE you made a statement that not one highlight involved a Jabari pass, REALLY? It’s a highlight)…  But you would see that he played well his first game, as did Wiggins…   Wiggins also didn’t have a great second game either, but that’s for another discussion… Back to Jabari…

Jabari missed a few shots and was reluctant to shoot some… Which made him not confident in his jumper…  You could see it…  What he did well out there was rebounding and hedging out on screens defensively…  I didn’t see Jabari lost on defense and he did a great job grabbing boards…  The failed dunk attempt over Plumlee…  Plumlee is a good shot blocker IMO, but what Jabari showed after that was what I expected…  He came back down and hit a 3…  Then hit a nice looking 2…   The turnovers wasn’t him trying to force things either…  One was coming down in transition and he lost the handle on the ball some…  Another was an offensive rebound and he lost the ball going back up…  Outside of shooting the ball poorly, he made some good basketball moves and had a decent overall game…  He didn’t have the ball in his hands to make plays for others and majority of his shots wasn’t a set play for him to ISO…  

Another thing I noticed about summer league is that players that aren’t big name rookies are being selfish…  They’re trying to get a paycheck (which is understandable)….  There’s a lot of selfish basketball going on in SL…  For all your disdain for Jabari, he’s not really a ball hog…  I think he would demand the ball more in the 2 summer league games if he were…

 

 

  

  

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 Jabari has always been a ball hog, its not somthing thats recently been brought up.

[tuck243Participant]

He played out of position in his lone year at Duke and in his first 2 SL games (I can’t believe I have to even discuss this for him) he played within the offense…

While he was in HS one of his strengths was his passing… So NO… He hasn’t “always” been a ball hog…

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

At Duke, he played on a great 3 point shooting team and posted a bad a/t ratio.

Him playing out of postion doesnt play that big of a factor in passing the ball. 

Alot of prospects get dubbed certain parts of their game as strengths while they are in HS and it gets exposed at the college level. That happen to jabari and his non existent passing skills. 

Points: -157

You sure know your stuff bro…lol

[tuck243Participant]

 not knowing my stuff or if it was the opposite, doesn’t mean I know what the hell I’m talking about…  I could simply make a joke that I know everyone will like and get points… Or I could make a post that I know everyone will agree with and get positive points…  My point is it doesn’t matter what I post, the point system isn’t mutually exclusive to my abilities to interpret basketball…  

Also, playing out of position is an outlier to production…  If that wasn’t the case then why Embiid’s stats look similar to Jabari’s as far as passing?  Both played the low post role for their teams correct?  Or we can just look at the Top 3 SF’s in the draft…  Both Andrew Wiggins and Doug McDermott averaged more turnovers than assists in their college careers…  Which is damn near IDENTICAL to Jabari’s assist to turnover ratio…  Wiggins was even called passive in college and played mostly on the wing for Kansas…  

So please…  Tell me how Jabari has ALWAYS been known as a ball hog? 

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

 not knowing my stuff or if it was the opposite, doesn’t mean I know what the hell I’m talking about…  I could simply make a joke that I know everyone will like and get points… Or I could make a post that I know everyone will agree with and get positive points…  My point is it doesn’t matter what I post, the point system isn’t mutually exclusive to my abilities to interpret basketball…  

Also, playing out of position is an outlier to production…  If that wasn’t the case then why Embiid’s stats look similar to Jabari’s as far as passing?  Both played the low post role for their teams correct?  Or we can just look at the Top 3 SF’s in the draft…  Both Andrew Wiggins and Doug McDermott averaged more turnovers than assists in their college careers…  Which is damn near IDENTICAL to Jabari’s assist to turnover ratio…  Wiggins was even called passive in college and played mostly on the wing for Kansas…  

So please…  Tell me how Jabari has ALWAYS been known as a ball hog? 

 

 

 

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 Jabari’s usage rate was higher than both players. He was surrounded by great shooters, yet still has a bad a/t ratio.

He’s been a ball hog since day 1 at Duke. 

His shot selection needs major work.

[tuck243Participant]

 First it was the assists to turnover ratio…  So, I proved that damn near every top player at his position had similar assists and turnover averages…  Now you throwing out usage ratings which has no direct correlation to assist numbers…  (For the record, it wasn’t a big of a difference in gaps, plus Doug had a higher rating, what all that mean? Absolutely NOTHING)…  I get it…  He took some bad shots a Duke…  You believe any player willing to take bad shots is a ball hog…  That’s far from the truth…  He still only averaged 15 shot attempts a game…  You shouldn’t have to try so hard to prove a negative thing about a player….  If what you said is true then the evidence should be easily accessible…  You’re really reaching for the sky with this and I can only call you one thing…  A hater…   That’s what you actually proved…  

[tuck243Participant]

 First it was the assists to turnover ratio…  So, I proved that damn near every top player at his position had similar assists and turnover averages…  Now you throwing out usage ratings which has no direct correlation to assist numbers…  (For the record, it wasn’t a big of a difference in gaps, plus Doug had a higher rating, what all that mean? Absolutely NOTHING)…  I get it…  He took some bad shots a Duke…  You believe any player willing to take bad shots is a ball hog…  That’s far from the truth…  He still only averaged 15 shot attempts a game…  You shouldn’t have to try so hard to prove a negative thing about a player….  If what you said is true then the evidence should be easily accessible…  You’re really reaching for the sky with this and I can only call you one thing…  A hater…   That’s what you actually proved…  

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 Jabari’s usage rate was higher than both players. He was surrounded by great shooters, yet still has a bad a/t ratio.

He’s been a ball hog since day 1 at Duke. 

His shot selection needs major work.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

At Duke, he played on a great 3 point shooting team and posted a bad a/t ratio.

Him playing out of postion doesnt play that big of a factor in passing the ball. 

Alot of prospects get dubbed certain parts of their game as strengths while they are in HS and it gets exposed at the college level. That happen to jabari and his non existent passing skills. 

Points: -157

You sure know your stuff bro…lol

[tuck243Participant]

He played out of position in his lone year at Duke and in his first 2 SL games (I can’t believe I have to even discuss this for him) he played within the offense…

While he was in HS one of his strengths was his passing… So NO… He hasn’t “always” been a ball hog…

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 Jabari has always been a ball hog, its not somthing thats recently been brought up.

[tuck243Participant]

Never get too high or too low on Summer League…  We see this every year and I don’t know why you continue to chime in on Jabari on every post you create…  It’s obvious you have deep rooted hate towards the young fella…

But since you took it there let’s discuss the actual game and not look at boxscores or how you put it ‘Highlights’ (which is LAUGHABLE you made a statement that not one highlight involved a Jabari pass, REALLY? It’s a highlight)…  But you would see that he played well his first game, as did Wiggins…   Wiggins also didn’t have a great second game either, but that’s for another discussion… Back to Jabari…

Jabari missed a few shots and was reluctant to shoot some… Which made him not confident in his jumper…  You could see it…  What he did well out there was rebounding and hedging out on screens defensively…  I didn’t see Jabari lost on defense and he did a great job grabbing boards…  The failed dunk attempt over Plumlee…  Plumlee is a good shot blocker IMO, but what Jabari showed after that was what I expected…  He came back down and hit a 3…  Then hit a nice looking 2…   The turnovers wasn’t him trying to force things either…  One was coming down in transition and he lost the handle on the ball some…  Another was an offensive rebound and he lost the ball going back up…  Outside of shooting the ball poorly, he made some good basketball moves and had a decent overall game…  He didn’t have the ball in his hands to make plays for others and majority of his shots wasn’t a set play for him to ISO…  

Another thing I noticed about summer league is that players that aren’t big name rookies are being selfish…  They’re trying to get a paycheck (which is understandable)….  There’s a lot of selfish basketball going on in SL…  For all your disdain for Jabari, he’s not really a ball hog…  I think he would demand the ball more in the 2 summer league games if he were…

 

 

  

  

[tuck243Participant]

(BTW, Summer League is only $4.99, don’t be cheap and buy it… You can go back and watch all the games and wouldn’t have to look at highlights for your game summaries)

[tuck243Participant]

(BTW, Summer League is only $4.99, don’t be cheap and buy it… You can go back and watch all the games and wouldn’t have to look at highlights for your game summaries)

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

I was being sarcastic, I’m an NSCA-CSCS certified strength and conditioning coach working with a D1 basketball team at this moment. My degree was in sports medicine. Many published studies that show that there’s not correlation between resistance training and lowering body fat percentage. It’s actually nearly impossible to have large increases in muscle mass without increasing your body fat percentage. My point being Jabari needs to change his diet and work on his conditioning more than hitting the weight room.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

My bad bro.

Keep up the good things.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

My bad bro.

Keep up the good things.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

I was being sarcastic, I’m an NSCA-CSCS certified strength and conditioning coach working with a D1 basketball team at this moment. My degree was in sports medicine. Many published studies that show that there’s not correlation between resistance training and lowering body fat percentage. It’s actually nearly impossible to have large increases in muscle mass without increasing your body fat percentage. My point being Jabari needs to change his diet and work on his conditioning more than hitting the weight room.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I don’t hate Jabari.  I just noticed his lack of ever passing at Duke.  It’s not like I’m making up statistics man.  Twice as many turnovers as assists on a team with a lot of talent.  He forced all those bad shots when he had guys wide open.  I’m just curious as to why people never brought this up.  They bring up his defense and lack of athleticism as question marks.  Those aren’t question marks.  Very few guys rarely play lockdown D in the NBA. I think he’ll become an average deender with effort, coaching and understanding.  He has the skill to overcome the lack of explosive athletic ability.  Last time I checked you don’t need to be a great athlete to be a great basketball player.  Feel and involving teammates is a more important skill to have in the NBA than just being able to take a ton of shots and score.  A lot of guys in the NBA can score.  How will Jabari help his team win when his shot isn’t falling?  The NBA is a grind and he’ll have nights where he’s 4-15, 3-12, what else will he do to help his team win?  Yes, I dislike Duke.  Have I gotten tired of hearing the slobberfest over Jabari and how great he is?  Of course.  I don’t think I’m bringing up any invalid points with him being selfish.  imAboutDataction agrees with me so someone else knows where I’m coming from.  Jabari has a chance to be a good player in the NBA, but people need to realize he just doesn’t have any passing skills.  He might learn to pass later down the road, but he needs to be humbled and come in not jacking up 25-30 shots a night.  That will guarantee the Bucks limited success and another trip to the lottery.

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I don’t hate Jabari.  I just noticed his lack of ever passing at Duke.  It’s not like I’m making up statistics man.  Twice as many turnovers as assists on a team with a lot of talent.  He forced all those bad shots when he had guys wide open.  I’m just curious as to why people never brought this up.  They bring up his defense and lack of athleticism as question marks.  Those aren’t question marks.  Very few guys rarely play lockdown D in the NBA. I think he’ll become an average deender with effort, coaching and understanding.  He has the skill to overcome the lack of explosive athletic ability.  Last time I checked you don’t need to be a great athlete to be a great basketball player.  Feel and involving teammates is a more important skill to have in the NBA than just being able to take a ton of shots and score.  A lot of guys in the NBA can score.  How will Jabari help his team win when his shot isn’t falling?  The NBA is a grind and he’ll have nights where he’s 4-15, 3-12, what else will he do to help his team win?  Yes, I dislike Duke.  Have I gotten tired of hearing the slobberfest over Jabari and how great he is?  Of course.  I don’t think I’m bringing up any invalid points with him being selfish.  imAboutDataction agrees with me so someone else knows where I’m coming from.  Jabari has a chance to be a good player in the NBA, but people need to realize he just doesn’t have any passing skills.  He might learn to pass later down the road, but he needs to be humbled and come in not jacking up 25-30 shots a night.  That will guarantee the Bucks limited success and another trip to the lottery.

[Ghost01Participant]

 No, there is no correlation between Jabari’s passing and the Bucks being a lottery team. 

Bad passers have gotten into the playoffs before, bad passers have been good NBA players for. That is why they have point guards, so they have players who specialize in passing. Most people realize he isn’t a good passer, but no one else thinks this matters in the form you think it does, because passing can be improved and isn’t the only prerequisite skill of being good at basketball. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 No, there is no correlation between Jabari’s passing and the Bucks being a lottery team. 

Bad passers have gotten into the playoffs before, bad passers have been good NBA players for. That is why they have point guards, so they have players who specialize in passing. Most people realize he isn’t a good passer, but no one else thinks this matters in the form you think it does, because passing can be improved and isn’t the only prerequisite skill of being good at basketball. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 Again, the stupidity of judging players off of summer league games is ridiculous.

We get it. You are a UNC fan who loves to point out Jabari isn’t a passer. We know this. I don’t think any coach or team expects Jabari Parker to be a great passing forward. You know who else wasn’t a great passing forward when he came into the league? Kevin Durant. Durant’s rookie year he was 192/232 A/T. He also had more turnovers than assists in each of his first 5 seasons. I guess he’s selfish, right? You know who else was bad in summer league? Derrick Rose. He won ROTY, and MVP two years later. Assist to turnover ratios matter for point guards. No one really cares what a perimeter player is doing, as long as the ball is going into the hoop. The Bucks drafted him to be a premier scorer, not a distributer. You are right, if this skill improved he would be a better player. But you would be surprised by how many players in the NBA are "selfish" under the criteria you are laying out, and how many improve after a few years in the league at this exact skill.

You can hate on Jabari as a prospect all you want, but the criticisms of his passing and his defense aren’t as important as people make them out to be. He’s a perimeter scorer. If he is good at scoring, as if a decent enough rebounder, he will be good. The Point guard will pass, and the team defensive concepts will determine how good the team’s defense will be. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 Again, the stupidity of judging players off of summer league games is ridiculous.

We get it. You are a UNC fan who loves to point out Jabari isn’t a passer. We know this. I don’t think any coach or team expects Jabari Parker to be a great passing forward. You know who else wasn’t a great passing forward when he came into the league? Kevin Durant. Durant’s rookie year he was 192/232 A/T. He also had more turnovers than assists in each of his first 5 seasons. I guess he’s selfish, right? You know who else was bad in summer league? Derrick Rose. He won ROTY, and MVP two years later. Assist to turnover ratios matter for point guards. No one really cares what a perimeter player is doing, as long as the ball is going into the hoop. The Bucks drafted him to be a premier scorer, not a distributer. You are right, if this skill improved he would be a better player. But you would be surprised by how many players in the NBA are "selfish" under the criteria you are laying out, and how many improve after a few years in the league at this exact skill.

You can hate on Jabari as a prospect all you want, but the criticisms of his passing and his defense aren’t as important as people make them out to be. He’s a perimeter scorer. If he is good at scoring, as if a decent enough rebounder, he will be good. The Point guard will pass, and the team defensive concepts will determine how good the team’s defense will be. 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

I never said he needed to become Magic, Stockton or Steve Nash.  I think he needs to let the game come to him more and not force so many tough shots. He’s obviously aggressive but there is such a thing as too aggressive.  Many times at Duke he was taking long contested twos with 25 seconds on the shot clock.  Move the ball around more, screen for teammates, pick your spots.  I know he won’t ever be an elite passer, I just think he needs to become more of a TEAM player.  That is all.  

[Ghost01Participant]

 But I don’t think there is any evidence this is a problem.

As a freshman, he was 2nd in the player of the year voting. He wasn’t a harm to Duke’s season, he was their best player. He’s an NBA rookie, he certainly has flaws, no one ever denies this. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 But I don’t think there is any evidence this is a problem.

As a freshman, he was 2nd in the player of the year voting. He wasn’t a harm to Duke’s season, he was their best player. He’s an NBA rookie, he certainly has flaws, no one ever denies this. 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

I never said he needed to become Magic, Stockton or Steve Nash.  I think he needs to let the game come to him more and not force so many tough shots. He’s obviously aggressive but there is such a thing as too aggressive.  Many times at Duke he was taking long contested twos with 25 seconds on the shot clock.  Move the ball around more, screen for teammates, pick your spots.  I know he won’t ever be an elite passer, I just think he needs to become more of a TEAM player.  That is all.  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Agreed, but with all that talent duke didn’t win the acc regular season title, acc tournament, national championship, heck they couldn’t even beat mercer.  Jabari was their most talented player but did he really help them become a better team?   Duke is best when that ball is zipping around the perimeter to wide open shooters.  The ball would get to Jabari and just stop.  He scored a lot but a team with all that talent lost a ton of games.  I just think people calling Jabari a superstar already really need to look at what happened during his season at duke.  Terrible against mercer.  Had to be taken out for defensive purposes against a team with no nba talent.  Slow your roll on the kid being a savior.  He’s young and will get better, I just think he is way overhyped.  

[Ghost01Participant]

 No one is calling him a savior or a superstar. You are. People think he is a fantastic NBA prospect, people who get paid to come up with such thoughts, unlike you.

He was a consensus Top 3 pick in one of the best drafts in recent memory.

Just because he had 1 bad college game, and because you are making claims about "ball stopping" and "Duke’s offense was better when the ball was zipping around the perimeter top open shooters" without any statistical data backing up that any of this is true, doesn’t really do much for me. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 No one is calling him a savior or a superstar. You are. People think he is a fantastic NBA prospect, people who get paid to come up with such thoughts, unlike you.

He was a consensus Top 3 pick in one of the best drafts in recent memory.

Just because he had 1 bad college game, and because you are making claims about "ball stopping" and "Duke’s offense was better when the ball was zipping around the perimeter top open shooters" without any statistical data backing up that any of this is true, doesn’t really do much for me. 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Agreed, but with all that talent duke didn’t win the acc regular season title, acc tournament, national championship, heck they couldn’t even beat mercer.  Jabari was their most talented player but did he really help them become a better team?   Duke is best when that ball is zipping around the perimeter to wide open shooters.  The ball would get to Jabari and just stop.  He scored a lot but a team with all that talent lost a ton of games.  I just think people calling Jabari a superstar already really need to look at what happened during his season at duke.  Terrible against mercer.  Had to be taken out for defensive purposes against a team with no nba talent.  Slow your roll on the kid being a savior.  He’s young and will get better, I just think he is way overhyped.  

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

 Well, like you just said he was duke’s best player, so yes he made them a better team…Do you honestly think they would have won as many games as they did without Parker?  If so you must have some kind of personal beef with the man.  He may be a bit selfish, but there are plenty of hall of famers who didn’t like to pass.  No, he is not a savior, but that ideas is not as crazy as the comments you have made based on a couple summer league games.

[ConsiderableUpsideParticipant]

 Well, like you just said he was duke’s best player, so yes he made them a better team…Do you honestly think they would have won as many games as they did without Parker?  If so you must have some kind of personal beef with the man.  He may be a bit selfish, but there are plenty of hall of famers who didn’t like to pass.  No, he is not a savior, but that ideas is not as crazy as the comments you have made based on a couple summer league games.

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