[mgreener_34Participant]

 Per MArc Stein and espn

Good move for both teams I think. Warriors save money by most likely stretching Wallace, and he’s also another strong locker room guy. Nice to see him on a true contender again. 

Boston makes out like bandits in a way, as they get a player who they can play big minutes, who will most likely excel in Stevens system, and most likely will be dangled all year to contending teams if he is productive. With the exception of last year, Lee has been averaging about 17/10, so I expect him to be playing for his next contract as he still has game. 

I think this is also forshadowing for the Celtics plans just like the drafting of Rozier. Celtics are probably looking to package Sully and Bradley is some type of deal to aquire someone, but I have no idea who that would be. I was kind of hoping Celtics would throw out a lineup of:

Rozier-IT

Smart-Hunter

Young-Crowder

Sully- Olynyk

Amir-Zeller

and just gun for a top pick in this years draft. Obviously this isn’t the plan, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see another deal in the next two weeks. Should be interesting

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Something tells me Lee might never end up suiting up for Boston. With sullinger, olynk, amir, Zeller and Lee that’s a pretty crowded frontcourt. They could just be using his expiring deal as a trade chip. It’s really hard to get a read on what ainge is trying to do.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Something tells me Lee might never end up suiting up for Boston. With sullinger, olynk, amir, Zeller and Lee that’s a pretty crowded frontcourt. They could just be using his expiring deal as a trade chip. It’s really hard to get a read on what ainge is trying to do.

[nateoak10Participant]

 I think they’ll dangle any of Olynyk, Zeller, Sullinger or Lee at the right price. Each one would get you somethng totally different so it’d depend on which one they are going to be most willing to lose which might not be Lee. He’s the only guy on their team who can really score inside. Without him Boston doesn’t really have many threats to really score. Some role guys like Crowder but Thomas wi=ould be the only real credible threat out there. 

[nateoak10Participant]

 I think they’ll dangle any of Olynyk, Zeller, Sullinger or Lee at the right price. Each one would get you somethng totally different so it’d depend on which one they are going to be most willing to lose which might not be Lee. He’s the only guy on their team who can really score inside. Without him Boston doesn’t really have many threats to really score. Some role guys like Crowder but Thomas wi=ould be the only real credible threat out there. 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Definitely makes me think that a big might be on the move.  Amir and Lee coming in that’s not enough room for all the bigs.  If not then I expect Lee to play the first part of the season with Boston and being dangled for contenders looking to add a piece towards the trade deadline.  I have to say Gerald Wallace was a great mentor and accpted that role without complaining.  I’m going to miss having him on the bench to teach the young players.  

This trade does leave me wondering what direction Ainge wants this team to go next year.  I’d prefer grooming the young guys but adding Lee would seem to be a move towards the playoffs.  After getting swept in the first round last season I’d rather not fight for a lower playoff spot when it’ll likely be a quick exit.  

 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Definitely makes me think that a big might be on the move.  Amir and Lee coming in that’s not enough room for all the bigs.  If not then I expect Lee to play the first part of the season with Boston and being dangled for contenders looking to add a piece towards the trade deadline.  I have to say Gerald Wallace was a great mentor and accpted that role without complaining.  I’m going to miss having him on the bench to teach the young players.  

This trade does leave me wondering what direction Ainge wants this team to go next year.  I’d prefer grooming the young guys but adding Lee would seem to be a move towards the playoffs.  After getting swept in the first round last season I’d rather not fight for a lower playoff spot when it’ll likely be a quick exit.  

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 

They had a bad year then improved. Should you not  look to improve with all those draft picks? Wallace had horrible deal, no production. Why not get production or trade chip? Makes more sense. No brainer for Ainge and I salute him for getting rid of that deal and gaining Lee. Big move by Ainge.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 

They had a bad year then improved. Should you not  look to improve with all those draft picks? Wallace had horrible deal, no production. Why not get production or trade chip? Makes more sense. No brainer for Ainge and I salute him for getting rid of that deal and gaining Lee. Big move by Ainge.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

No I like the deal because you get a really good player in Lee for Wallace.  What I’m saying is it doesn’t help your team to just get swept out of the playoffs.  If Boston didn’t make it last season the pick would have likely been around 12.  That would have been a stronger asset to help move up in the draft.  At 12 Boston might have been able to convince Charlotte to trade the 9th pick.  At 12 Kaminsky could have still been there as Phoenix(13th Pick) was supposedly the next team that really wanted him.  

If we barely make it in as the 8th seed we would likely be swept by the Cavs again.  Lee is a good player but he’s also on the decline and not enough to improve our chances against the top of the east.  We have a lot of young players that need more playing time to develop.  So my point is Lee is going to take playing time from Sully, Zeller, and Olynyk.  Look at teams like Orlando, Utah, and Minny who are playing their young players large minutes and those players are improving.  Those teams have better young prospects than Boston, who has yet to find a player to build around.  Having our own lottery pick and Brooklyn’s would give us a chance to add two top players or trade up even higher in the draft.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

No I like the deal because you get a really good player in Lee for Wallace.  What I’m saying is it doesn’t help your team to just get swept out of the playoffs.  If Boston didn’t make it last season the pick would have likely been around 12.  That would have been a stronger asset to help move up in the draft.  At 12 Boston might have been able to convince Charlotte to trade the 9th pick.  At 12 Kaminsky could have still been there as Phoenix(13th Pick) was supposedly the next team that really wanted him.  

If we barely make it in as the 8th seed we would likely be swept by the Cavs again.  Lee is a good player but he’s also on the decline and not enough to improve our chances against the top of the east.  We have a lot of young players that need more playing time to develop.  So my point is Lee is going to take playing time from Sully, Zeller, and Olynyk.  Look at teams like Orlando, Utah, and Minny who are playing their young players large minutes and those players are improving.  Those teams have better young prospects than Boston, who has yet to find a player to build around.  Having our own lottery pick and Brooklyn’s would give us a chance to add two top players or trade up even higher in the draft.  

[nateoak10Participant]

 Without him you still maybe make the playoffs unless Orlando grows up or Miami bounces back. With him you could be more competitve and have the luxury of dangling one of thr three younger bigs for a wing. Between Sulling, Zeller and KO one of them would get you something nice and you don’t need all three going forward with Amir Johnson signed. 

[nateoak10Participant]

 Without him you still maybe make the playoffs unless Orlando grows up or Miami bounces back. With him you could be more competitve and have the luxury of dangling one of thr three younger bigs for a wing. Between Sulling, Zeller and KO one of them would get you something nice and you don’t need all three going forward with Amir Johnson signed. 

[markfitz14Participant]

I would have loved to have seen that lineup with all our young guys. Would get to see if any of these guys can develop quicker. But if Lee can regain form he could be nice trade bait to a contender. I agree with putting so move effort into making the playoffs and then just getting swept sucks. But at least they get the chance to play in the playoffs. Although you get stuck never getting a top draft pick. Which is why I am more of in the favor of tanking for the chance of a top pick. This is just the begining of something bigger for the Celtics. I am excited to see if a trade for an up and coming star can be completed with the pieces that are there. Kind of like when the Rockets traded for Harden. I wonder if the rising Cap will screw the Celts though? Becuase the Thunder traded Harden because they couldn’t afford him and the contract his play demanded. 

[markfitz14Participant]

I would have loved to have seen that lineup with all our young guys. Would get to see if any of these guys can develop quicker. But if Lee can regain form he could be nice trade bait to a contender. I agree with putting so move effort into making the playoffs and then just getting swept sucks. But at least they get the chance to play in the playoffs. Although you get stuck never getting a top draft pick. Which is why I am more of in the favor of tanking for the chance of a top pick. This is just the begining of something bigger for the Celtics. I am excited to see if a trade for an up and coming star can be completed with the pieces that are there. Kind of like when the Rockets traded for Harden. I wonder if the rising Cap will screw the Celts though? Becuase the Thunder traded Harden because they couldn’t afford him and the contract his play demanded. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 You hope drafted players develop and become trade chips like Al Jefferson,Gerald Green, Delonte West=KG. Warriors drafted wisely, Spurs do too. Develop your players. Improve each year. No finger crossing or wishful thinking. Cavs done won almost every year wich statistically should not have been possible for 3 out of 4 years. Hope to win that? Naw

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 You hope drafted players develop and become trade chips like Al Jefferson,Gerald Green, Delonte West=KG. Warriors drafted wisely, Spurs do too. Develop your players. Improve each year. No finger crossing or wishful thinking. Cavs done won almost every year wich statistically should not have been possible for 3 out of 4 years. Hope to win that? Naw

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 You can’t compare the Spurs to the situation Boston is in now.  If we had a Duncan or Robinson I wouldn’t be worried about our direction.  Last time I checked Boston doesn’t have a person to build around.  We have good players but no great players.  Two lottery picks can get you two solid players or can be used as an asset to trade for a star.  What team is going to give up a star or a top 10 pick for Boston’s mid round 1st?  

You can say the Warriors drafted wisely but look where those players were drafted.  Steph Curry 7th, Harrison Barnes 7th, Klay Thompson 11th are 3 of their starters.  They were all lottery picks so I don’t see your point about Boston drafting wisely?  Of course the Warriors got Draymond Green at 35 and Festus Ezeli at 30 but Klay and Steph were where their foundation was built.  Say Boston ends up with the 11th and 12th pick in the draft next year.  You could pair those picks up and grab a higher draft pick.  Or you stay put and take two solid prospects.  

You also mention developing your players well that happens when they get playing time.  If you bring in David Lee that takes away time from Sully, Olynyk, and Zeller.  Brad Stevens tries to win every game so if Sully or Olynyk aren’t playing well he’ll go to Lee.  That takes away experience from them.  These guys need to be able to work through their mistakes.  

[nateoak10Participant]

 Well the W’s had to have some luck to. Curry was 7th you’re right. He fell to 7. Klay to 11. Green to 35. You can draft good players outside of the top 5, just need some luck. But at the beginning for the W’s they were bad and overspent to bring in Lee. Sometimes you need to overpay a really solid player to come in to help make a team just a bit more competitive. We drafted Steph right before that but we had no clue what he was. Those two moves got the ball rolling on a plan to build around one guy and a solid player. We also traded a known commodity in Ellis for Bogut. It was a combination of trading your assets and drafting well. Boston stock piled picks but chose mediocre players. Those mediocre players are still young however and may hold some value. I think they should sell high on a few of them since none of them are the Steph Curry type players. Rebuilding around 8th seed talent will leave you in the dreaded cycle of being just good enough but not bad enough. So ya, w/o the guy it’s hard but there are so few of them in the NBA. You gotta get what solid guys you can if you know you aren’t gonna be picking in the top 10 

[nateoak10Participant]

 Well the W’s had to have some luck to. Curry was 7th you’re right. He fell to 7. Klay to 11. Green to 35. You can draft good players outside of the top 5, just need some luck. But at the beginning for the W’s they were bad and overspent to bring in Lee. Sometimes you need to overpay a really solid player to come in to help make a team just a bit more competitive. We drafted Steph right before that but we had no clue what he was. Those two moves got the ball rolling on a plan to build around one guy and a solid player. We also traded a known commodity in Ellis for Bogut. It was a combination of trading your assets and drafting well. Boston stock piled picks but chose mediocre players. Those mediocre players are still young however and may hold some value. I think they should sell high on a few of them since none of them are the Steph Curry type players. Rebuilding around 8th seed talent will leave you in the dreaded cycle of being just good enough but not bad enough. So ya, w/o the guy it’s hard but there are so few of them in the NBA. You gotta get what solid guys you can if you know you aren’t gonna be picking in the top 10 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 You can’t compare the Spurs to the situation Boston is in now.  If we had a Duncan or Robinson I wouldn’t be worried about our direction.  Last time I checked Boston doesn’t have a person to build around.  We have good players but no great players.  Two lottery picks can get you two solid players or can be used as an asset to trade for a star.  What team is going to give up a star or a top 10 pick for Boston’s mid round 1st?  

You can say the Warriors drafted wisely but look where those players were drafted.  Steph Curry 7th, Harrison Barnes 7th, Klay Thompson 11th are 3 of their starters.  They were all lottery picks so I don’t see your point about Boston drafting wisely?  Of course the Warriors got Draymond Green at 35 and Festus Ezeli at 30 but Klay and Steph were where their foundation was built.  Say Boston ends up with the 11th and 12th pick in the draft next year.  You could pair those picks up and grab a higher draft pick.  Or you stay put and take two solid prospects.  

You also mention developing your players well that happens when they get playing time.  If you bring in David Lee that takes away time from Sully, Olynyk, and Zeller.  Brad Stevens tries to win every game so if Sully or Olynyk aren’t playing well he’ll go to Lee.  That takes away experience from them.  These guys need to be able to work through their mistakes.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Its time to force them to see minutes will be loss. Wake up. If they had sat early career that would make sense, not when they have played plenty. Time to pressure them to shape up or ship out. Thats obviously the indication of where the Celtics are with them.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 So first you say develop players and now you’re saying give up on them after 2-3 years?  Sully missed half of the season his rookie year.  Olynyk is only entering his 3rd year. I’m watching the Celtics summer league team and the most impressive player from the draft class has been Jordan Mickey.  The Celtics need talent to build around and they don’t have it now.  I’d like to hear you plan of where Boston goes in the next couple years.  You’re the one that seems to think Boston is just going to turn a player into an All Star out of nowhere.  I’m just being realistic that you need to find somebody to build around.  I’d feel a lot better right now if Boston had Myles Turner or Winslow but instead we have Rozier.  If we were in the lottery we might have one of those players right now.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 So first you say develop players and now you’re saying give up on them after 2-3 years?  Sully missed half of the season his rookie year.  Olynyk is only entering his 3rd year. I’m watching the Celtics summer league team and the most impressive player from the draft class has been Jordan Mickey.  The Celtics need talent to build around and they don’t have it now.  I’d like to hear you plan of where Boston goes in the next couple years.  You’re the one that seems to think Boston is just going to turn a player into an All Star out of nowhere.  I’m just being realistic that you need to find somebody to build around.  I’d feel a lot better right now if Boston had Myles Turner or Winslow but instead we have Rozier.  If we were in the lottery we might have one of those players right now.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Its time to force them to see minutes will be loss. Wake up. If they had sat early career that would make sense, not when they have played plenty. Time to pressure them to shape up or ship out. Thats obviously the indication of where the Celtics are with them.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 I sould feel better if we had Julius Randle instead of smart. If Rozier was never even taken 16. Cry about his drafting skills not that the team does not suck enough to not make playoffs

 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

Are you actually a Celtics fan?  Do you really think this roster has what it takes to compete with the better teams in the league?  Also what has Randle been able to prove while recovering from a broken leg?  I hope he comes back strong but he hasn’t even had a chance to show what he can do in a game.  What makes you say you’d feel more confident with Randle instead of Smart?  

It has nothing to do with Ainge’s ability to draft players.  The point is the talent level starts to dwindle as you move down the draft board.  The team lacks the talent that other young teams have.  Teams like Orlando, Utah, Minny have put together a lot of talented players while giving them plenty of opportunity to play.  When you do that players can get more experience while you are able to add more talent through the draft. Boston has never actually gone into a full rebuilding mode since the Boston-Brooklyn trade.  Only this past season did Ainge finally move on from Rondo and Jeff Green.  To me this would be the time to start the full rebuild.  Teams don’t just move linearly getting better each year.  You make it sound like we should keep the players we have and we’ll keep getting better year after year.  But then you say Sully and Olynyk aren’t good enough and that you’d rather we had Randle over Smart.  You sound down on our talent too.  

So let’s hear what your strategy to rebuild would be.  You’ve yet to tell me how you get Boston back as serious contenders.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

Are you actually a Celtics fan?  Do you really think this roster has what it takes to compete with the better teams in the league?  Also what has Randle been able to prove while recovering from a broken leg?  I hope he comes back strong but he hasn’t even had a chance to show what he can do in a game.  What makes you say you’d feel more confident with Randle instead of Smart?  

It has nothing to do with Ainge’s ability to draft players.  The point is the talent level starts to dwindle as you move down the draft board.  The team lacks the talent that other young teams have.  Teams like Orlando, Utah, Minny have put together a lot of talented players while giving them plenty of opportunity to play.  When you do that players can get more experience while you are able to add more talent through the draft. Boston has never actually gone into a full rebuilding mode since the Boston-Brooklyn trade.  Only this past season did Ainge finally move on from Rondo and Jeff Green.  To me this would be the time to start the full rebuild.  Teams don’t just move linearly getting better each year.  You make it sound like we should keep the players we have and we’ll keep getting better year after year.  But then you say Sully and Olynyk aren’t good enough and that you’d rather we had Randle over Smart.  You sound down on our talent too.  

So let’s hear what your strategy to rebuild would be.  You’ve yet to tell me how you get Boston back as serious contenders.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 I sould feel better if we had Julius Randle instead of smart. If Rozier was never even taken 16. Cry about his drafting skills not that the team does not suck enough to not make playoffs

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Writing 3 paragraphs worth of bs does not make your idea make any more sense. Younger players get playoff experience and continue to grow with war chest of picks. Opens you up for deals. Bagging a Lebron in picks 2 or 3 is a lot of finger crossing. Its been done and proven to work. Spurs,Warriors drafting smart with Barnes,Green being a late pick. Heat paid for one. When was the last time it brought a title within 3 years? Maybe Duncan. Keep talking homes. Will Sota win title in next 3 years? Doubt it.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Let me shorten it for you then.  My main point is we’ve yet to really full go into rebuild mode.  Only this past year did we move on from Rondo and Green.  The best picks in the war chest are the Brooklyn picks, the others are mostly mid to late 1st round picks and 2nd rounders.  Just look at this year’s draft.  We offer 6 picks(4 first rounders) to move up from 16 to 9 and got turned down.  Boston has never gotten big free agents so we need to get good talent through the draft and make trades to get stars.  I’m not expecting to win a title in 3 years but I’m thinking long term.  I don’t want to be hanging around the last couple of playoff spots in the east.  

Also my point about the Spurs and Warriors is still that they had to get top picks like Duncan and Steph Curry to build around.  From there they made smart decisions.  We’ve yet to find that player that can be the future of the franchise.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Let me shorten it for you then.  My main point is we’ve yet to really full go into rebuild mode.  Only this past year did we move on from Rondo and Green.  The best picks in the war chest are the Brooklyn picks, the others are mostly mid to late 1st round picks and 2nd rounders.  Just look at this year’s draft.  We offer 6 picks(4 first rounders) to move up from 16 to 9 and got turned down.  Boston has never gotten big free agents so we need to get good talent through the draft and make trades to get stars.  I’m not expecting to win a title in 3 years but I’m thinking long term.  I don’t want to be hanging around the last couple of playoff spots in the east.  

Also my point about the Spurs and Warriors is still that they had to get top picks like Duncan and Steph Curry to build around.  From there they made smart decisions.  We’ve yet to find that player that can be the future of the franchise.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Writing 3 paragraphs worth of bs does not make your idea make any more sense. Younger players get playoff experience and continue to grow with war chest of picks. Opens you up for deals. Bagging a Lebron in picks 2 or 3 is a lot of finger crossing. Its been done and proven to work. Spurs,Warriors drafting smart with Barnes,Green being a late pick. Heat paid for one. When was the last time it brought a title within 3 years? Maybe Duncan. Keep talking homes. Will Sota win title in next 3 years? Doubt it.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Since they drafted Lebron 1? How many title do the Celtics Have since then? How many timet times have Cavs have 1 st pick over that time? I rest my case. Does not speed up title.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Since they drafted Lebron 1? How many title do the Celtics Have since then? How many timet times have Cavs have 1 st pick over that time? I rest my case. Does not speed up title.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

We still needed the 5th pick to trade for Ray Allen.  From there KG was willing to come to Boston to make the big 3.   Almost all of the best teams have a top player or two that they drafted in the lottery.  It doesn’t just have to be the 1st overall pick.  We would have more options if we had two lottery picks next offseason.  Teams would be interested in a trade package that included 2 lottery picks and other assets.  

So where go you see the team ending up in the standings next year?  I don’t see David Lee moving us past teams like the Bucks, Raptors, Wizards, Heat.  Maybe Indiana just because they lost West and moved Hibbert.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

We still needed the 5th pick to trade for Ray Allen.  From there KG was willing to come to Boston to make the big 3.   Almost all of the best teams have a top player or two that they drafted in the lottery.  It doesn’t just have to be the 1st overall pick.  We would have more options if we had two lottery picks next offseason.  Teams would be interested in a trade package that included 2 lottery picks and other assets.  

So where go you see the team ending up in the standings next year?  I don’t see David Lee moving us past teams like the Bucks, Raptors, Wizards, Heat.  Maybe Indiana just because they lost West and moved Hibbert.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Young players gaining more experience in playoffs. What happen with Golden State last years? Gained experience. What happen this year? Down in Memphis and Cleveland and GSW dont rattle, and Why? Been there b4. Man stop making a fool of yourself son.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 True but look at the talent they already had the year before.  We don’t have anybody even close to Steph Curry or Klay Thompson.  I don’t see how I’m making a fool of myself by wanting to be being patient and looking to add talent through the draft.  We have no franchise player to build around.  

Look at a team like the Pelicans.  They rushed to make the playoffs and traded for Holiday and Asik.   The talent around Anthony Davis isn’t good enough to compete with top teams.  No matter how good Davis was they couldn’t compete with the amount of talent Golden State had.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 True but look at the talent they already had the year before.  We don’t have anybody even close to Steph Curry or Klay Thompson.  I don’t see how I’m making a fool of myself by wanting to be being patient and looking to add talent through the draft.  We have no franchise player to build around.  

Look at a team like the Pelicans.  They rushed to make the playoffs and traded for Holiday and Asik.   The talent around Anthony Davis isn’t good enough to compete with top teams.  No matter how good Davis was they couldn’t compete with the amount of talent Golden State had.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Young players gaining more experience in playoffs. What happen with Golden State last years? Gained experience. What happen this year? Down in Memphis and Cleveland and GSW dont rattle, and Why? Been there b4. Man stop making a fool of yourself son.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Trades that Red had made netted a draft pick to a team that was middle of the pack and what happen? Make Smart GM decisions and choosing to suck for more than 3 is foolish.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Trades that Red had made netted a draft pick to a team that was middle of the pack and what happen? Make Smart GM decisions and choosing to suck for more than 3 is foolish.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 The draft is different now and they only drafted him 6th overall.  If you expect to find the next Larry Bird in the 16-20s(where we’d be if we made the playoffs) you’re fooling yourself.  I think Ainge has done a great job since moving on from the Big 3.  He’s amassed a ton of assets but we still lack star power.  I don’t see many of our players having good trade value for a star outside of Smart.  Without a star or a solid group of young players top free agents won’t want to come to Boston.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 The draft is different now and they only drafted him 6th overall.  If you expect to find the next Larry Bird in the 16-20s(where we’d be if we made the playoffs) you’re fooling yourself.  I think Ainge has done a great job since moving on from the Big 3.  He’s amassed a ton of assets but we still lack star power.  I don’t see many of our players having good trade value for a star outside of Smart.  Without a star or a solid group of young players top free agents won’t want to come to Boston.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/boston_celtics_playoffs_golden.html

 

Rest my case. Experience.

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Fair enough but I think that’s the mindset of the players.  No NBA player wants to be losing.  Just like coaches want players that can help you now.  While a GM has to look at things in the short term and the long term.  I remember Ainge and Doc having those kinds of conversations.  Doc would want an impact player now while Ainge might prefer the guy that he thinks can help more down the road.  Which is why I personally think Doc has been a terrible GM.  He’s looked to make moves now that take away assets for the future.  

I think we can agree to disagree.  We both want to see the Celtics back contending for a championship.  It’s just we have differing views on how to get back there.  

 

[markfitz14Participant]

I am on point with bleedgreen. We have seen by Ainge trying to trade 4 late first round picks for Winslow how little value those picks have. Of course it is possibile to strike gold late in a draft. But GM’s see the percentage as very little. Which makes the picks not worth much. Thats why all these assets we have gotten for KG and Pierce aren’t worth much right now. The Celtics fans have to hope one of these pics next year land high in the lottery. Patience is going to be key. It will take several years to rebuild. Ecspecially because I don’t see any player on this team being a top 20 player in the league. If one pic or maybe both pics land in the lottery it would accelarate the rebuild process because the player would be seen as having much more value. Wheter they keep that person and then trade other players for picks. Or what it seems like what Ainge wants to do, try to trade that pick plus players for a player that may offer more. 

[markfitz14Participant]

I am on point with bleedgreen. We have seen by Ainge trying to trade 4 late first round picks for Winslow how little value those picks have. Of course it is possibile to strike gold late in a draft. But GM’s see the percentage as very little. Which makes the picks not worth much. Thats why all these assets we have gotten for KG and Pierce aren’t worth much right now. The Celtics fans have to hope one of these pics next year land high in the lottery. Patience is going to be key. It will take several years to rebuild. Ecspecially because I don’t see any player on this team being a top 20 player in the league. If one pic or maybe both pics land in the lottery it would accelarate the rebuild process because the player would be seen as having much more value. Wheter they keep that person and then trade other players for picks. Or what it seems like what Ainge wants to do, try to trade that pick plus players for a player that may offer more. 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 Fair enough but I think that’s the mindset of the players.  No NBA player wants to be losing.  Just like coaches want players that can help you now.  While a GM has to look at things in the short term and the long term.  I remember Ainge and Doc having those kinds of conversations.  Doc would want an impact player now while Ainge might prefer the guy that he thinks can help more down the road.  Which is why I personally think Doc has been a terrible GM.  He’s looked to make moves now that take away assets for the future.  

I think we can agree to disagree.  We both want to see the Celtics back contending for a championship.  It’s just we have differing views on how to get back there.  

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/boston_celtics_playoffs_golden.html

 

Rest my case. Experience.

[markfitz14Participant]

 I try to trade the Avery Bradley plus the Mavs pick but I would wait to see if they go on a losing streak. Becuase then I may want to hold on to the pick if it ended up like between 12 and 20. In return I would want either someone I really like or a higer draft pick. Could include anyone else they want Turner, Lee, or Thomas. This would be done during the season. 

 Evan Turner would be sent to somebody looking for help, David Lee(if he can regain some value) too. I would hate to see Isaha Thomas go but if I needed to I would trade him in a package deal for a high draft pick.

Try to see what Smart can do these next two years. Untradable in my opinion.

Or I try to trade players plus picks at the Draft to move up again next year.

I know everyone wants to see the Celtics compete now. But the reality is this team will not be able to beat one of the top teams. As Lebron said about his team in the playoffs "We ran out of Talent" .

I just think they need to bundle several assets picks and players to get one or two really good players and then go from there.

 

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 I try to trade the Avery Bradley plus the Mavs pick but I would wait to see if they go on a losing streak. Becuase then I may want to hold on to the pick if it ended up like between 12 and 20. In return I would want either someone I really like or a higer draft pick. Could include anyone else they want Turner, Lee, or Thomas. This would be done during the season. 

 Evan Turner would be sent to somebody looking for help, David Lee(if he can regain some value) too. I would hate to see Isaha Thomas go but if I needed to I would trade him in a package deal for a high draft pick.

Try to see what Smart can do these next two years. Untradable in my opinion.

Or I try to trade players plus picks at the Draft to move up again next year.

I know everyone wants to see the Celtics compete now. But the reality is this team will not be able to beat one of the top teams. As Lebron said about his team in the playoffs "We ran out of Talent" .

I just think they need to bundle several assets picks and players to get one or two really good players and then go from there.

 

 

 

 

 

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