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  • #1257448
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    … measures 7’4″ without shoes with an 8-foot wingspan
    I’m not even sure if that makes me excited or concerned. There’s like never been a guy this tall and slim who did not have injury issues all his life. Is he a Shaq-like genetic outlier, or is it wishful thinking to believe he might be able to stay healthy?

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  • #1257449
    Robb_CRobb_C
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    I think he’ll be fine.. the one thing he has going for him that most don’t is his shoulder width.. I think he will be able to put on good size.. he reminds me so much of Ralph Sampson.

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  • #1257450
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    Victor is already about 14lbs heavier than Chet and is two years younger, I’ll be more interested to see what sort of weight he is when he joins the NBA.

    Ralph Sampson is a good comparison but hopefully he has a longer NBA career than Ralph did. How about Chet and Victor on the same Thunder team as a twin towers like Ralph and Hakeem at the Rockets?

    One maning the paint and the other on perimeter we’d really see how good these elite shooters are.

    I’m not too worried about Victor in the NBA as the game is now more about shooting and less scoring in the paint and he’ll have elite defensive potential at minimum.

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  • #1257451
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    Wemby is not Chet thin and he has a wider frame to grow in. That being said, the WORST case scenario is a Ralph Sampson that this dude becomes. This guy’s the real deal… but @Anton1234 has a point… guys just get injured that are that size… That seems to be the biggest reason Scoot Henderson is a sucker puncher’s chance at getting drafted #1. (Not that Scoot is a slouch of a #1 pick). On the other hand, not many guys possess a 7’4″ height and an 8′ wingspan. It will be a very interesting pair of exhibition matches early October. We will see why the top 2 prospects are ranked where they are. This should be a very good draft year. To me Wemby is a remix of Lew Alcindor 50 years later. His defense is already amazing and his post moves are similar. Barring injuries, this guy is a stud.

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  • #1257452
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    Whether he is 7’1″ or 7’5″, his frame, as well as his history of injuries at such a young age, is going to be a legitimate concern. This also connects to the reality that what he can be differs from where he is at as a player. He is not what Luka was going into his draft year. Luke had 2300 pro minutes prior to his dominant best in the Euroleague season in his draft year. Victor played less than 600 minutes last year, and had 300 the year prior. Victor has promise as a shooter, but he has been sub-30 percent from 3 and sub-70 from the line. Again, Luka was playing quite well in rotation minutes for a Euroleague contender. This is fine and perfectly understandable, but one should be aware that if he is going to have another season where he has three different stretches of injuries that it will slow his development as a player. This isn’t a video game where guys get better simply by going from 18 to 19 to 20. Players actually have to be healthy enough to put in the work and get experience on the court to get better. All that said, Victor is the type of prospect that teams are going to be willing to be wrong on. Knock on wood, if he breaks his foot and misses the season, he is not going to fall in the draft. Even if someone with a crystal ball comes out and says, he will be a lot like Kristaps Porzingis in production, style, and that he will miss a ton of time and teams will have to manage his minutes and overall load as if he was a 15-year veteran by the time he is 25, then you will still have Utah or San Antonio happily signing up to take him in the draft.

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  • #1257453
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    Statistically and eye test he is not a 1. pick. Player like Kristaps, Dirk ( Luka) were way better and more NBA ready at the age of 18. He is to slow and he does not shoot well. There are about 25 (ex-) NBA player with comparable skillset. Some had careers (Ralph, Eaton), some not (sorry Bol Bol). His shoot is a little bit better than Rudy’s and he is a little bit quicker than Boban. He is bigger than Chet, but Chet is quicker, not a turnover phrone and has got a way better shoot and passing game. Rick Smits and Shawn Bradley are good comparison! He definitely could develop a better shoot or learn that defense is more than shootblocking. Maybe he could gain weight and develop a better finish at the basket than just being a lob threat.

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  • #1257454
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    @JK44: Saying he’s to slow is crazy. For a guy his size, he moves incredibly well. He even looks smooth when handling the ball or shooting, which is insane at 7’3. Sure, he’s not efficient at this point, but the potential is off the charts.

    As BTPH mentioned, everything will depend on his health. It’s obvious that getting hurt every few months prevents him from progression like he should.

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    • #1257456
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      Firsr of all just to say bluntly, please do not compare anybody to Luka. What he did in Europe as a teenager will more than likely never be done again and its insane how people thought it wouldn’t translate to the NBA game. He will probably go down as the best European player to play the game.

      To say he is slow is just ridiculous. You could say he doesn’t run the floor hard, thats fine but he is clearly extremely agile, quick and coordinated. The defensive potential is the intrigue here. Offensive skillset he is developing is just the icing on the cake but he is getting drafted to be a Rudy Gobert impact defensively which is a 1st overall pick in just about any draft. Then you figure with the right development he should be able to at the very least not be a liability offensively as a vertical spacer and a floor spacer then you have to pick him. The way he is able to move for his size and cover ground defensively is amazing. I’ve seen him make three stops defensively in one sequence.

      As far as the health goes thats a legitimate concern. Just don’t get players that can do the 82 games/34 minutes per game for 10 years at that size. Especially nowadays with the pace where it is. Even Joel Embiid last year had his most games/minutes played at 68 and 31.2. Only 7’3 plus player I can think of that stayed relatively healthy in the time I’ve been watching basketball is Shawn Bradley. Btw Shawn got into a motorcycle accident and is now paralyzed, poor guy…

      @JK44 Dragan Bender and Bol Bol’s issues are not their skillsets, both those players lack the commitment or mindset it takes to be a professional at the highest level. It just isn’t there for them like Bruno Caboclo as well.

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  • #1257455
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    Dragan Bender and Bol Bol look smooth while handling the ball or shooting. Everybody said Alex Len has got a superb footwork and he moves incredibly well. They are solid basketball players. He is to slow to run the fastbreak like Embiid or Jokic or even Porzingis. I watched him live a couple of times and he is the last on offense and the last on defense. Time and health will show if he will find his role.

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    • #1257457
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      Evan Mobley’s rookie year a year ago will be about 85% of what Wembanyama’s will probably be in his rookie year. Mobley will be one of Wemby’s better rivals imo. Don’t see the slow footedness of Wembanyama either. Only concern is his health maybe holding him back. But then, for all I know, a tiny minor injury at this point in the kids’ career would be sitting him out for precautionary reasons.

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  • #1257458
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    @OhCanada: I didn’t even mention Luka…

    @JK44: Is it Wembanyama you’re talking about? Slower than Jokic?

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    • #1257462
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      Yeah I meant BTPH.

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  • #1257459
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    Webby should be all star level player and really good, but he isn’t generational in my eyes as most people seem to think.

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  • #1257460
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    Generational big men have been rarer in recent years in the last decade going into the drafts AD, Embiid, KAT, Ayton have probably been the most hyped bigs. Three have become franchise level players whilst jury is still out on Ayton. KAT has potentially had the best durability of these guys as he has played 5 seasons of over 74 games and one of his lengthy spells out was with Covid.

    Chet I’d put into the hype camp but like Wemby we are not sure what the comparision really is. If whoever drafts Wemby ends up with a durable All Star they will be happy.

    Whether Wemby and Chet can be elite shot changing big men who have a top level offence game I don’t know but how often do you get a Hakeem level prospect or will they be merely elite level defensive guys such as Gobert or the other names mentioned we’ll have to wait and see.

    At one time you had great defensive specialists like Mutombo and Ben Wallace or in a different position Dennis Rodman and we never worried about their 3 point range or their offensive game so much. A quick mobile defensive guy can still be a game changer with their scoring a bonus and the key thing being having a good BB IQ.

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  • #1257461
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    He’s a solid talent – I agree I don’t see him as this game changing prospect others see him as either but defensively he has a lot of tools and potential that other players mentioned in this post will never possess including one that just got beamed by Poland… Wembanyama has great fluidity and seems to be comfortable defending in space for a guy his size, all very promising traits.. He’s not going to be able to horse your offense in a 82 game season.. but if he adds size and develops his ability to defend in space at his size he’ll be a no brainer… you just dont get guys at his size that can do that.

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  • #1257463
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    From what i read ” The best prospect since Lebron ”

    I have no idea how he will go but injury concerns are a serious question, who knows he might even go down injured before the draft !

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  • #1257464
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    “The best prospect since LBJ” has been hyed a lot in the 20 or so drafts since LBJ was chosen top – Greg Oden and KD were heavily hyped and Greg was since as the best big man since Tim Duncan was drafted. D-Rose, OJ and Beasley had a lot of hype in their draft year and injuries and substance issues blighted those careers. AD was more hyped than any of the Cavs top picks in 11 to 14 even Wiggins in 14 in what was a powerful draft year with Jabari Parker and Embiid. Simmons and Zion were seen as very exciting prospects as they were different players to what you’d expect for their position Chet likewise.

    But possibly the best highest drafted talent since LBJ who had a load of hype could turn to be Luka or he can certainly get to KD level.

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  • #1257469
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    NBA Draftroom lists Wemby as 7ft 4ins 230lbs now so if the weight is correct he has certainly filled out a fair bit. That is almost Ralph Sampson and Rik Smits size give or take a few lbs.

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  • #1257479
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    FYI, Gravelines-Dunkerque vs Boulogne-Levallois today at between 2pm and 11am in the US/Canada. Matthieu Gauzin SZN? Will Tremont Waters freeze out Victor to get his 20+ shots? Will Victor go full Chet with an injury and get hurt in warmups? Oh, the possibilities!?!?

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  • #1257481
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    If you want to register, you can stream the game through the league’s lnb.tv site or app.

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  • #1257484
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    One thing a person probably knows but finds hard to grasp until you see it, but when a guy doesn’t have to jump to dunk it makes the catching radius on lobs so much wider. In a lot of ways, he has immaturity to his game. It appears to be a bad team, and the 12-point loss flatters them. That said, he got 23 points mostly on being absurdly long. He tried crossing people up off the dribble, step back threes, and seems to want to show off all the things he thinks he can do but can’t yet, but he is going to be a fantastic offensive threat on lobs alone. Dominik Olejniczak was a journeyman college big man having played at Drake, Mississippi, and Florida State. He is a legit 7-footer who looked 6-8 out there. Maybe Victor is 7-4. Dominik did get in a blocked shot on Victor, but still. I guess the one good takeaway is that by moving down a bit from ASVEL to Mets that Victor will be getting plenty of court time. Fingers crossed, he stays healthy with it, because he does look like he will break apart every time he hits the floor.

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  • #1257485
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    With his catching radius being so big he’ll get an insane amount of points with tip ins and put backs before you consider his shooting range. He’d almost be the perfect player to bring back the skyhook but that and the triangle probably don’t work in today’s NBA.

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