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- Posted on: Wed, 05/23/2012 - 7:11pm #39407
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantThe cost of Kobe Bryant
May, 22, 2012May 223:29PM ET
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We may have seen this trio of champions together for the last time.What is Pau Gasol worth?
Many believe this is the central question of the Lakers’ offseason.
Gasol was integral to three straight Finals appearances. He out-fought and outplayed Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett in back-to-back Finals victories. But careers and perceptions change quickly in L.A. and, to many, it now appears imminent that Gasol and the remaining $38 million on his contract will be traded this offseason.
Three top Lakers writers break down Gasol’s place in the Lakers’ future:
- OC Register’s Kevin Ding (who noted Gasol had a plus/minus of minus-53 for the second round): "It’s abundantly clear now that the triangle offense is long gone that Lakers can use some perimeter pizzazz and tenacity a lot more than they can use Gasol’s versatility-turned-uncertainty. But even if Gasol averages 50 points and 30 rebounds in the Olympics, the Lakers have a further complication in that they are trying to reduce their payroll in the wake of the post-lockout luxury-tax penalties and revenue sharing that have changed their landscape. Because of that, trading Gasol for a great player who has another massive contract isn’t what they really want, either. The Lakers might have to go that route and figure out some money things later, as they were willing to do with their aborted deal for Chris Paul before the season."
- ESPN LA’s Dave McMenamin: "Bryant publicly demoted Gasol to the third scoring option during the regular season and then called him out in the playoffs for not being the aggressive scorer he once was. That makes Gasol the first to go. Call up Houston. Call up Chicago. Call up Minnesota. Call up Orlando. See whether interest is still out there. Better yet, call up all 29 other teams and maybe even go the draft pick route. This year’s draft is widely considered to be the deepest in nearly a decade. Gasol turns 32 in July. He’s played 11 years in the league plus put in a ton of time overseas playing for the Spanish national team. He averaged 12.5 points per game during the playoffs. History will show he was a vital piece of the Lakers’ championship lore, but now is not the time for nostalgia. He’s the first domino."
- ESPN LA’s Brian Kamenetzky: "He’s supremely talented, versatile and a true team player capable of elevating any good team to elite status, and perhaps of pushing a near-elite team over the top. On the other hand, he won’t transform a Brooklyn-esque loser, is very expensive, on the downside of his career, and short of being sent to a team in Spain, won’t energize a season-ticket base. Finding a new home for Gasol isn’t a simple proposition. The same contract prompting the Lakers to move him will make many teams hesitant to take him on."
The analysis above agrees that Pau is: expensive, talented, seven years older than Andrew Bynum and perhaps not the best fit, emotionally, with Kobe Bryant (though that seemed to be working just fine a few years ago).
The Lakers need more depth and fewer gargantuan contracts, so all signals point to Gasol’s departure. Indeed, the Lakers have signaled that they are ready to part with him and, though the transaction was canceled by the NBA, the thwarted three-way deal that would have brought Chris Paul to the Lakers still provides the most accurate measure of Gasol’s value.
Back in December 2011, the Rockets were willing to give up Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Goran Dragic in exchange for Gasol.
That’s quite a haul, and a similar trade this summer would supply the Lakers, who counted on Steve Blake and Devin Ebanks for important rotation minutes in the playoffs, with real punch off the pine.
But after a disappointing postseason, does Gasol net the same goodies?
It’s true 2012 was Gasol’s worst scoring season of his NBA career by a point, though his rebounding and assist numbers remained constant. And it’s true that Gasol played farther from the basket on offense than at any time in his career.
It’s also true — and this is important — that Pau Gasol is a center. The Lakers managed to end up with two excellent 7-foot players, so Gasol, the more versatile one, plays power forward, but he’s a center. And it’s hard to overvalue a center who rebounds, defends, scores and passes like Gasol. The fact that the Lakers have surplus of this kind of player is borderline obscene and the reason many thought they could contend this season despite their obvious flaws.
They have options.
Perhaps Bynum would draw a better return.
Or maybe instead of ditching Gasol or Bynum, the Lakers could, like the San Antonio Spurs, simply extract more value from their cheaper pieces. After all, the combined salary of Kawhi Leonard, Gary Neal and Danny Green is less than the Lakers pay Steve Blake.
But it won’t be possible for them to get anywhere near the salary cap with their big three — or even their two bigs — on the books.
See, here’s the real issue for the Lakers, the one that makes moving Gasol or Bynum seem inevitable: Kobe Bryant’s spectacularly huge contract.
Last offseason, Henry Abbott first noted what an albatross this contract would become:
"Bryant is due to draw a salary of $25,244,493 in 2011-2012, $27,849,149 the following year and $30,453,805 in 2013-2014, when he will be 35. The cold hard question for general manager Mitch Kupchak would become: Which Laker team is better, Bryant and $32 million or so in supporting cast, or $60 million in the best players money can buy without Bryant?
…it may be time to find out if Bryant might consider waiving his no-trade clause. He is such a big name that he may, even under a new CBA, fetch the Lakers a player or two in addition to salary cap relief.
Then there’s the final, unthinkable option: It has been discussed that the new CBA may have an amnesty clause, that lets teams buy out players and send them on their way. Depending how it’s negotiated, this could include salary cap relief. And if so, would the Lakers use it on Bryant?”
Whether or not they knew league-wide austerity measures were in the offing in 2010, when they gave Bryant his last big extension, there’s no debate that, in basketball terms, the Lakers drastically overvalued their star wing. He is now a volume scorer who is still an excellent player, but the fact is that players better than him — like Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Kevin Durant and Chris Paul — are paid way less. Even supposing that, despite his age, Bryant’s game somehow remains at its current level, the market price for a superstar has fallen precipitously since his last contract.
By the time Kobe’s current contract nears expiration, it will be one of the worst in the NBA — not because he will have deteriorated beyond recognition, but because the outrageous sum will have such a limiting effect on the Lakers’ options.
So perhaps instead of wondering what Pau is worth, we should be asking different questions:
Is it worth $30 million in 2014-15 to see Bryant retire a Laker?
To many, the answer is an emphatic “Yes!”
But what about on the court — is he worth more than Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili combined?
Because that’s how much he makes.
Is he worth destroying the most formidable frontline in the NBA?
Because, as everyone seems to tacitly acknowledge, that’s how much Kobe Bryant costs.
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I know that article is long, but it’s a really interesting read. And it is worth asking, would amnestying Kobe be a good idea? I can’t imagine Kobe would take that well at all. However, if the ownership can convince Kobe to restructure his contract, it would really be in his best interest, as it would allow more flexibility to build a better Laker team.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/23/2012 - 7:12pm #673269

Hi its BenParticipantNO.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/23/2012 - 7:20pm #673270
goneParticipantIf he can reconstruct what’s the point of amnesty can’t you do that under contract?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/23/2012 - 7:26pm #673273
frogmanParticipantI will swim to Los Angeles from Australia if that happens
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/23/2012 - 7:45pm #673274
redsoxfreak724ParticipantIn other NBA news: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7jspkpq
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/23/2012 - 8:27pm #673278

SmooveKRYPTParticipant^John Wall would do the dougie for 24hrs straight if this happened
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 2:33am #673304
PulseGlazerParticipantI posted this idea ages ago and got a million negs, so, here we go again. How about this though – would the Magic do Howard and Hedo for Kobe? Kobe would fill the arena in Orlando, at the least, as they rebuilt, and be able to go for Kareem’s scoring title. The Lakers could then trade Pau or Bynum for a huge haul and have a real team.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 2:59am #673309

HitsterParticipantThe Lakers would have to pay Kobe a huge amount to amnesty him and would not have cap space to replace him apart from facing a huge mutiny from the fans. Okay they save luxury tax but the amount of revenue that Kobe generates would surely dwarf this.
With them having opted Bynum in now, he has the option to walk next summer and enter FA if he does not sign an extension so the Lakers could lose their main trading chip or building point for nothing.
As regards Kobe’s contract they could maybe look to extend it for another year and say we would have offered you $10 million for 2014-15 but can be do your deal to make it aprox a flat $22 to $23 million a year over the next 3 years to save luxury tax.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 4:11am #673338
beard20ParticipantIf Kobe gets amnesty’d the city of Los Angeles will riot all over again
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 5:13am #673359

IndianaBasketballParticipantHow does this guy even have a job?
This is nonsense…
Even if they did amnesty Kobe, they still pay him… It’s just not against the cap. Then they’d be spending MORE money to replace Kobe with whatever players. And throw in the fact that they’re already paying more money due to increased revenue sharing. Then subtract the revenue Kobe by himself brings to this team.
This is dumb. The Buss’ wouldn’t be successful as they are if they made dumb moves like this.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 5:28am #673367

bloodshyParticipantKobe is not worth $30M a year under the current cap. However, he’s probably worth $20M under the current cap. Cutting the face of the franchise in the name of not overpaying him by $10M for two years doesn’t make sense, especially considering the limited free agent class.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 6:02am #673383
Memphis MadnessParticipantThis is an interesting trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=87clrud
What do you guys think?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 6:51am #673402
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Lakers could trade Kobe Bryant to the Knicks for Carmelo Anthony, Tony Douglas, Jared Jordan, and Josh Harrellson.
This works out fairly well for both teams. The Lakers get a GREAT front line, plus some young depth. I like Harrellson coming of the bench for the Lakers next to Jordan Hill. Tony Douglas can score so they might be able to use him a lot too.
The Knicks get Kobe and I think he will really shake up New York. If the resign Jeremy Lin and Steve Novak, the Knicks rotation looks like this:
Starters:
PG: Jeremy Lin
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Landry Fields
PF: Amare Stoudemire
C: Tyson Chandler
Bench:
PG: Mike Bibby/free agent point guard
SG: Iman Shumpert
SF: Bill Walker
PF: Steve Novak
C: Jared Jeffries
Their bench isn’t that great, but it is solid with Shumpert on the wing giving them scoring and defense (when he gets healthy), plus Novak giving them a 3 point threat. I really like their starting five though. I think it is well-balanced with some scoring at point guard, at the wing, and inside. If they could shore up their backup point guard and center spots they should be in good shape.
Kobe would be great in Madison Square Garden. Kobe with Amare, Chandler, and a healthy young combo in Lin and Shumpert turns the Knicks into a TRUE contender.
The Lakers give up their superstar 2 guard and the face of the franchise, but get another legit wing scorer who is younger than Kobe. Carmelo, Pau, and Bynum is one heck of a front line. Then they have some nice, tough players off the bench in Metta, Jordan Hill, and Josh Harrellson.
Their backcourt needs a lot of work. Steve Blake is solid at point, but he is more of a backup. And Ramon Sessions struggled in the playoffs. Tony Douglas comes over from the Knicks as a young scoring point guard. The Lakers could move Matt Barnes over to the shooting guard spot and use him like Oklahoma City uses Thabo Sefolosha.
I can also see the Lakers going out and getting OJ Mayo. He went to USC and he looks like a solid shooting guard prospect either starting or coming off the bench as a sixth man. He isn’t really great at anything, but he can score some, shoot some, defend some, pass, and handle the ball a little bit. I think that OJ Mayo really needs a change of scenary and would make a great 4th scoring option with a team with 3 legit top-tier scorers.
Lakers starters:
PG: Ramon Sessions/point guard upgrade
SG: OJ Mayo
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bynum
Bench:
PG: Steve Blake, Tony Douglas
SG: Matt Barnes, Andrew Goudelock
SF: Metta World Peace
PF: Josh Harrellson, Josh McRoberts
C: Jordan Hill, Jerome Jordan
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 7:06am #673409

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantIt isn’t interesting, realistic, or going to happen. It is a stream of thought of someone who is only looking for a response.
The common problem with popular perception of the amnesty clause (and ESPN is the ringleader of this stupidity) is that going to an owner and asking him to pay tens of millions of dollars over multiple years to have a player go play elsewhere is an expensive admission of failure that really ought to only be used when followed with the letter of resignation of the GM (provided he was the person who signed that deal in the first place). To make this particular moment of stupidity worse, Kobe Bryant is one of the few players in the league whose individual value in terms of marketability and revenue generation exceeds what he makes. The Lakers signed an enormous tv deal for English and Spanish broadcasts last summer, and a large portion of that deal was because Kobe gets eyes on the television. Is he worth both Parker and Manu on the court? No, but next month when ABC has its ESPN talking heads cry about the Spurs being in the Finals and offering little in the way of casual viewership, I tend to believe they won’t have this idiot ask the question as to whether Parker and Manu are as valuable to Disney and the NBA as Kobe.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 05/24/2012 - 7:31am #673418

The Scare Crow RisesParticipantThe Lakers are one of the Top 3 viewed Franchises in the world and a lot of that is because of Kobe Bryant
Gasol should be traded to Houston for the 14th pick(BPA or Pg), Chase Budinger and Luis Scola
Ron Artest should be released or traded…
That’s a start, but I can’t see the Lakers trade or Amnesty Kobe in any way shape or form….
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