[breese225Participant]

I don’t understand why people keep saying the sixers are looking for a starting PG.

This guy is a 6’6 pg with great vision and was the team leader in points and assissts and did it in less than 30 min at 17 and 5 assist with1.6 steals.

Per 36 he averaged 20.4pts, 6.3 assist and 2 steals.

It’s not like he’s old, he just turned 22. And his numbers per 36 min are slightly better than

Russel Westbrook, John wall, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans at the age of 21.

He also is number 1 in the league at getting to the basket and scoring according to hoop synergy. He’s top 5 in the league at getting to the FT line in only 29.8 min a game, where honestly he’s not converting at a good clip but if he improved that he would probably avg 23 ppg.

I understand he can’t shoot threes but his 3 pt % is almost literrally the same as those guys at this age.

He needs to cut his turnovers down but he’s still young. He also needs to improve his FT shooting for sure.

But his numbers are identical to Tyreke Evans and is probably what at best Emanuel Mudiay would do in the league as they have the same exact strengths and weaknesses.

I know if either of them where on the sixers everybody would say they had a PG

[Jerrell7Participant]

 He will only go as far as his jumpshot takes him. I’d rather see him start than caanan. But being a sixers fan I already begun scouting for next year.  If we can’t make a trade for Westbrook then we gotta draft jamal murray. Dude is like a mix of d rose and conley.

[Jerrell7Participant]

 He will only go as far as his jumpshot takes him. I’d rather see him start than caanan. But being a sixers fan I already begun scouting for next year.  If we can’t make a trade for Westbrook then we gotta draft jamal murray. Dude is like a mix of d rose and conley.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I just don;t think you can have any player running your point who shoots THAT badly… Especially when they have Super Star level talent on the block – they’d be allowing teams to back off Wroten & shade early on a Low Block double team & playing off him also neagtes Wroten’s slashing ability… I see him for as instant offense off the bench in transition & at the SG position but I just don;t see how he is your PG – but he’s Very young & talented maybe he can adjust… Canaan is terrible to me – he’s got No size – he’s a gunner which is NOT what you want in your PG – Canaan actually shot a Worse % than MCW 38% vs 37% – I loved the MCW trade – it’s Amazing to get a Lottery pick for MCW who isn;t even a top 25 PG… But I believe the Canaan move – which they said was to acquire a PG to replace MCW – was just to dump McDaniels for signing that One year deal… People were going insane over McDaniels in the National Media – Bill Simmons called him a young Scottie Pippen – which is Crazy! I read that McDaniels would get $60 Million so they were smart to dump him – Houston just signed him to a $10 Million deal which is fine even though McDaniels could Not even get on the floor for Houston… I like Murray too, I LUV Kris Dunn for Phila though, w/ these young budding Super Stars they have in the post, I believe an unselfish, mature PG like Dunn who ran a team brilliantly in Providence for 3+ years would be an Excellent fit – you can;t have Stars & Scorers at Every position…. Stuaskus, w/ 7 foot Rim protectors behind him, will Light it up for Philly & he won;t have to stress abut "on ball" defense – he can just Stroke those Wide open J’s when teams Double Okafor or Embiid… Very bright future in Phila….

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 I just don;t think you can have any player running your point who shoots THAT badly… Especially when they have Super Star level talent on the block – they’d be allowing teams to back off Wroten & shade early on a Low Block double team & playing off him also neagtes Wroten’s slashing ability… I see him for as instant offense off the bench in transition & at the SG position but I just don;t see how he is your PG – but he’s Very young & talented maybe he can adjust… Canaan is terrible to me – he’s got No size – he’s a gunner which is NOT what you want in your PG – Canaan actually shot a Worse % than MCW 38% vs 37% – I loved the MCW trade – it’s Amazing to get a Lottery pick for MCW who isn;t even a top 25 PG… But I believe the Canaan move – which they said was to acquire a PG to replace MCW – was just to dump McDaniels for signing that One year deal… People were going insane over McDaniels in the National Media – Bill Simmons called him a young Scottie Pippen – which is Crazy! I read that McDaniels would get $60 Million so they were smart to dump him – Houston just signed him to a $10 Million deal which is fine even though McDaniels could Not even get on the floor for Houston… I like Murray too, I LUV Kris Dunn for Phila though, w/ these young budding Super Stars they have in the post, I believe an unselfish, mature PG like Dunn who ran a team brilliantly in Providence for 3+ years would be an Excellent fit – you can;t have Stars & Scorers at Every position…. Stuaskus, w/ 7 foot Rim protectors behind him, will Light it up for Philly & he won;t have to stress abut "on ball" defense – he can just Stroke those Wide open J’s when teams Double Okafor or Embiid… Very bright future in Phila….

[cjwParticipant]

 The good thing about him is he can play the 1 or the 2 and since he isnt the kind of pure pg that leads teams to titles so putting at the 2 or as a combo guard 6th man is probably the 76ers best option. He definately has nba talent and the team shouldn’t abandon him like MCW.

[cjwParticipant]

 The good thing about him is he can play the 1 or the 2 and since he isnt the kind of pure pg that leads teams to titles so putting at the 2 or as a combo guard 6th man is probably the 76ers best option. He definately has nba talent and the team shouldn’t abandon him like MCW.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Someone has got to score on a bad basketball team. I like the skills he brings, but I want to see him putting up those numbers and see the Sixers win games.

His numbers may be similar to Wall, or Westbrook, or Rose, or Evans, but his numbers mean nothing until the Sixers decide to try to win. 

 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Someone has got to score on a bad basketball team. I like the skills he brings, but I want to see him putting up those numbers and see the Sixers win games.

His numbers may be similar to Wall, or Westbrook, or Rose, or Evans, but his numbers mean nothing until the Sixers decide to try to win. 

 

[breese225Participant]

 I agree with that but similarly those players were putting up numbers on bad/mediocre teams when they were that age and they were still lower than Tony’s ppg per 36.

I believe the sixers are in a situation where they are trying to win.

Their starting lineup last year in the beginning of the year was Wroten, Chris Johnson,  mbah mute, Brandon Davies and Henry Sims.

This year it will potentially be Wroten, Stauskus, Covington Noel and Okafor.

That’s a completely different team than when they were trying to lose games on purpose.

[breese225Participant]

 I agree with that but similarly those players were putting up numbers on bad/mediocre teams when they were that age and they were still lower than Tony’s ppg per 36.

I believe the sixers are in a situation where they are trying to win.

Their starting lineup last year in the beginning of the year was Wroten, Chris Johnson,  mbah mute, Brandon Davies and Henry Sims.

This year it will potentially be Wroten, Stauskus, Covington Noel and Okafor.

That’s a completely different team than when they were trying to lose games on purpose.

[HitsterParticipant]

Wroten has been stats padding on a mediocre team basically, a lot of us were raving about Evan Turner at Philly when they traded Iggy but in the end he was seen as a bit of a stats padder.

I like the idea of them taking Jamal Murray next year too.

Who knows how Hinkie rates Wroten though?

[HitsterParticipant]

Wroten has been stats padding on a mediocre team basically, a lot of us were raving about Evan Turner at Philly when they traded Iggy but in the end he was seen as a bit of a stats padder.

I like the idea of them taking Jamal Murray next year too.

Who knows how Hinkie rates Wroten though?

[trombonematrix43Participant]

Everyone in Philly knew what Evan Turner was before he started padding his stats on a weak team. 

[trombonematrix43Participant]

Everyone in Philly knew what Evan Turner was before he started padding his stats on a weak team. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

I think Hinkie and Brett Brown probably see Wroten as a sixth man logging about 20 mpg when the team gets competitive. With Okafor and Noel, spacing is already somewhat limited and bringing Wroten off the bench will give him the keys to the second unit and allow him and Noel to really get out and run when/if Noel bumps over to center in some lineups. A second unit of Wroten, Saric, Noel and 2 shooters could really be a great change of pace and give the Sixers a nice alternative to an offense based around Okafor. 

I think Hinkie and Brown really covet a point guard/guards/wings who can shoot the three, especially based on the Carter-Williams trade. Nonetheless, I think Wroten is in their plans, unless of course they can move him for a better asset. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

I think Hinkie and Brett Brown probably see Wroten as a sixth man logging about 20 mpg when the team gets competitive. With Okafor and Noel, spacing is already somewhat limited and bringing Wroten off the bench will give him the keys to the second unit and allow him and Noel to really get out and run when/if Noel bumps over to center in some lineups. A second unit of Wroten, Saric, Noel and 2 shooters could really be a great change of pace and give the Sixers a nice alternative to an offense based around Okafor. 

I think Hinkie and Brown really covet a point guard/guards/wings who can shoot the three, especially based on the Carter-Williams trade. Nonetheless, I think Wroten is in their plans, unless of course they can move him for a better asset. 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 If they coveted a Point Guard, they probably would’ve picked one. They had Mudiay on the board, who will likely be the best player in the class. If they wanted a guard they could have gotten a good one in this last draft.

[Bed HeadParticipant]

Clearly, you are a very intelligent & well-educated young man. However, keep in mind, two unforeseeable events may have also factored into the decision (to pass on a PG):

1) Embiid’s continued "setbacks"

2) Okafor’s surprising availability

And thus hard to say whether either (or both) of those developments could have caused the 76ers to "call an audible".

P.S. Please don’t be mad at me. I feel completely crummy about what I said to you. And am truly sorry. Even if it didn’t exactly sound like it. In fact, I apologize for that earlier apology, too.

[Bed HeadParticipant]

Clearly, you are a very intelligent & well-educated young man. However, keep in mind, two unforeseeable events may have also factored into the decision (to pass on a PG):

1) Embiid’s continued "setbacks"

2) Okafor’s surprising availability

And thus hard to say whether either (or both) of those developments could have caused the 76ers to "call an audible".

P.S. Please don’t be mad at me. I feel completely crummy about what I said to you. And am truly sorry. Even if it didn’t exactly sound like it. In fact, I apologize for that earlier apology, too.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 If they coveted a Point Guard, they probably would’ve picked one. They had Mudiay on the board, who will likely be the best player in the class. If they wanted a guard they could have gotten a good one in this last draft.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Wroten is a special talent.. He will surprise everyone next season

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Wroten is a special talent.. He will surprise everyone next season

[GBeeParticipant]

Why this guy has as many supporters as he does confounds me.  He’s such a huge net negative player. One of the lowest IQ players I’ve ever seen, yet he needs the ball to be effective.  Why would you want a super low IQ player on the ball?  I can only think of 2 scenerios where people would want that. 1, they’re a fan of him and not the team he plays for. 2, they’re a fan of the team and understand that he’s the preeminent tank commander.

I guarantee that when the 6ers eventually turn it around and start winning games, Wroten won’t be  a part of that.

[GBeeParticipant]

Why this guy has as many supporters as he does confounds me.  He’s such a huge net negative player. One of the lowest IQ players I’ve ever seen, yet he needs the ball to be effective.  Why would you want a super low IQ player on the ball?  I can only think of 2 scenerios where people would want that. 1, they’re a fan of him and not the team he plays for. 2, they’re a fan of the team and understand that he’s the preeminent tank commander.

I guarantee that when the 6ers eventually turn it around and start winning games, Wroten won’t be  a part of that.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Hey DickHead before you start BASHING Tony Wroten You sound like the same hater that was on the last Tony Wroten Thread saying that the 76ers would take Mudiay with their pick b/c Tony Wroten is so inadequate at running the PG spot.  It didnt happen. You will be hard pressed to Find another PG at Tony Wroten Age with his Experience improving Every year. Point Blank period. Thats all you can ask for from a 25th pick. The fact that hes starting period is a Acomplishment. Reminds me of another Seattle area baller that they said was to SMALL to play in the nba Defense was a Big question but Isaiah thomas improved every year he was in the league and trust me he wasnt the Brightest when he came in the league didnt have the best jumpshot he went 60th overall. The 76ers obviously sees something in Wroten to get rid of MCW and Not draft Mudiay dont you think?

And IQ Is gained with Experience and Practice. I dont know one basketball player that came out the wound knowing what a Pick and Roll or Triangle Offense is not even TIM DUNCAN! 

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Hey DickHead before you start BASHING Tony Wroten You sound like the same hater that was on the last Tony Wroten Thread saying that the 76ers would take Mudiay with their pick b/c Tony Wroten is so inadequate at running the PG spot.  It didnt happen. You will be hard pressed to Find another PG at Tony Wroten Age with his Experience improving Every year. Point Blank period. Thats all you can ask for from a 25th pick. The fact that hes starting period is a Acomplishment. Reminds me of another Seattle area baller that they said was to SMALL to play in the nba Defense was a Big question but Isaiah thomas improved every year he was in the league and trust me he wasnt the Brightest when he came in the league didnt have the best jumpshot he went 60th overall. The 76ers obviously sees something in Wroten to get rid of MCW and Not draft Mudiay dont you think?

And IQ Is gained with Experience and Practice. I dont know one basketball player that came out the wound knowing what a Pick and Roll or Triangle Offense is not even TIM DUNCAN! 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Before I start bashing? I already did.

They didn’t take Mudiay because they took BPA which has been their MO under Hinkie.

Improving every year? In what areas? He’s the same spastic player who’s clueless about organized ball.  He still puts his head down and drives into brick walls throwing bail out passes. Still has horrible shot selection. Still can’t shoot, but is more confident than ever in his broken shot. He’s still careless with the ball, attempting impossible passes and making the simple pass more difficult than it should be.  He’s still an awful defender who constantly gambles, going for steals on the ball, opening up too wide, going for reach around pokes and losing his man off the ball.

They didn’t move MCW to make way for Wroten. They got rid of him bc they realized that he was not the answer at the point going forward so they got value while they still could.  They tried to trade him earlier (as in the 2014 draft) but didn’t get offered what they wanted.

I disagree with your last statement as well. IQ can only marginally get better.  Low IQ players are low IQ players, just like dumb people are dumb people. Some people just have it and are better thinking on their feet, having better approaches and making decisions than others. Wroten’s approach is awful and he has shown a very low IQ at every level compared to his peers. His approach is that of someone at a Pro-Am circuit.

And chill with the random caps.  It makes your arguments look even more stupid.

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Before I start bashing? I already did.

They didn’t take Mudiay because they took BPA which has been their MO under Hinkie.

Improving every year? In what areas? He’s the same spastic player who’s clueless about organized ball.  He still puts his head down and drives into brick walls throwing bail out passes. Still has horrible shot selection. Still can’t shoot, but is more confident than ever in his broken shot. He’s still careless with the ball, attempting impossible passes and making the simple pass more difficult than it should be.  He’s still an awful defender who constantly gambles, going for steals on the ball, opening up too wide, going for reach around pokes and losing his man off the ball.

They didn’t move MCW to make way for Wroten. They got rid of him bc they realized that he was not the answer at the point going forward so they got value while they still could.  They tried to trade him earlier (as in the 2014 draft) but didn’t get offered what they wanted.

I disagree with your last statement as well. IQ can only marginally get better.  Low IQ players are low IQ players, just like dumb people are dumb people. Some people just have it and are better thinking on their feet, having better approaches and making decisions than others. Wroten’s approach is awful and he has shown a very low IQ at every level compared to his peers. His approach is that of someone at a Pro-Am circuit.

And chill with the random caps.  It makes your arguments look even more stupid.

 

 

 

 

[Miko4rm206Participant]

No they didnt take Mudiay b/c obviously they felt good about TONY WROTEN moving forward. Makes logical sense dont it? Why replace a key piece of the rebuilding process. Tony Wroten, Jahlil Okafor,Nick Stauskas and Nerlens Noel are good pieces moving forward with tremendous upside and all complimenting each other nicely. But with anything only Time and Dedication will tell 

 

Lets look at the past season stats 17pts 5ast 3rebs 2stls 40%FG 26%3pt  67%Ft  4To a game for a 22yo 3rd yr player drafted 25th overall. He’s has already panned out to be the 2nd best PG in the 2012 draft. And you can include the 2013 draft as well outside of MCW. And after watching the PGs of the 2014 draft its safe to say "IF ANY" PG from the 2014 nba draft was to make a All star game it will be a couple years. He still has another 3nba seasons before hes in his PRIME. 

IQ marginally gets better? Dumbest comment I heard all day. Playing PG is Not Rocket Science. If you study and Practice and become a student of the game you will get better. You learn new things everyday and that goes for anything you do. And experience plays a big part. I think you got physicality and Iq mixed up. You cant teach someone how to be 7 ft 4 witha 3.9 40 yd dash but you sure as hell can teach someone how to dribble drive and kick out. Not hard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Miko4rm206Participant]

No they didnt take Mudiay b/c obviously they felt good about TONY WROTEN moving forward. Makes logical sense dont it? Why replace a key piece of the rebuilding process. Tony Wroten, Jahlil Okafor,Nick Stauskas and Nerlens Noel are good pieces moving forward with tremendous upside and all complimenting each other nicely. But with anything only Time and Dedication will tell 

 

Lets look at the past season stats 17pts 5ast 3rebs 2stls 40%FG 26%3pt  67%Ft  4To a game for a 22yo 3rd yr player drafted 25th overall. He’s has already panned out to be the 2nd best PG in the 2012 draft. And you can include the 2013 draft as well outside of MCW. And after watching the PGs of the 2014 draft its safe to say "IF ANY" PG from the 2014 nba draft was to make a All star game it will be a couple years. He still has another 3nba seasons before hes in his PRIME. 

IQ marginally gets better? Dumbest comment I heard all day. Playing PG is Not Rocket Science. If you study and Practice and become a student of the game you will get better. You learn new things everyday and that goes for anything you do. And experience plays a big part. I think you got physicality and Iq mixed up. You cant teach someone how to be 7 ft 4 witha 3.9 40 yd dash but you sure as hell can teach someone how to dribble drive and kick out. Not hard

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Keep dreaming.  Hinkie is all about maximizing value at this juncture, which applies to draft picks as well. Okafor was the BPA at 3 and he took him. It had absoluely nothing with Wroten.

If you’re impressed by raw stats on a bad team that plays at a high pace, then you’re dumber than you originally sound. None of those numbers mean sht.  Look up any stat that peels back those meaningless raw stats and measures impact and you will see just how big of a negative he is on the floor.

Here are a few:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/RAPM_2015.html (4th from the bottom)

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/RPM (bottom 9% of the league, 2nd worst guard to Lance in terms players playing over 25 mpg)

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415PHI.HTM (team is almost minus 5 with him on the floor and yes that in comparison to the team’s regular +/-, so he made an awful team even more awful when he was on the floor.)

Thinking on your feet and being a sound decision maker are innate things. People are smarter than others and that applies across all walks of life. You could grind your ass off and still not be able to consistently make good, quick decisions. The dumb only get less dumb. Wroten is a dunce, his approach to the game is outdated and belongs on the Ball Up circuit…or somewhere in low tier China ball where they appreciate that dumb sht. And you’re nothing but a butthurt fanboy, blinded by meaningless raw stats, who can’t see just how big of a negative he is. Stay fanboying shtty players.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Keep dreaming.  Hinkie is all about maximizing value at this juncture, which applies to draft picks as well. Okafor was the BPA at 3 and he took him. It had absoluely nothing with Wroten.

If you’re impressed by raw stats on a bad team that plays at a high pace, then you’re dumber than you originally sound. None of those numbers mean sht.  Look up any stat that peels back those meaningless raw stats and measures impact and you will see just how big of a negative he is on the floor.

Here are a few:

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/RAPM_2015.html (4th from the bottom)

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/RPM (bottom 9% of the league, 2nd worst guard to Lance in terms players playing over 25 mpg)

http://www.82games.com/1415/1415PHI.HTM (team is almost minus 5 with him on the floor and yes that in comparison to the team’s regular +/-, so he made an awful team even more awful when he was on the floor.)

Thinking on your feet and being a sound decision maker are innate things. People are smarter than others and that applies across all walks of life. You could grind your ass off and still not be able to consistently make good, quick decisions. The dumb only get less dumb. Wroten is a dunce, his approach to the game is outdated and belongs on the Ball Up circuit…or somewhere in low tier China ball where they appreciate that dumb sht. And you’re nothing but a butthurt fanboy, blinded by meaningless raw stats, who can’t see just how big of a negative he is. Stay fanboying shtty players.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Jahlil was not only the Best Avail. He also filled a team need. Killin 2 birds with 1 stone. 

And yea "Tony Wroten cant Shoot 3s, Midrange or Fts" but yet hes still nearly averging 20 pts a game? Those points are coming from somewhere

Or "Tony Wroten is Padding his Stats on the worst nba team" Last time i checked the 76ers are still a NBA team and Tony Wroten was still going up against the best PGs in the league Night in Night out. Theres no such thing as "Patted" stats he got Minutes and Contributed. 

But at the end of the day  TONY WROTEN is still the 76ERS starting PG. Hes emerged as 1 of the best PGS drafted since 2012. But im sure you would take Kendall Marshall Or Austin rivers over TONE huh? Or better yet Shane Larkin or Dennis Schroder? Within the last 3 drafts Tony Wroten has already proved to be a top 5 pg easily. Statistically, Experience, Potential any way you cut it.

I aint never seen anyone HATE on another Mans Game like that. Kinda like he Crossed you up in Highschool basketball game and then took your Girlfriend out to EAT all in the same Night. Chill out wit all that hating bro its not good for your health

 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

So you agree, they took the BPA, which was Okafor.

Yeah they’re coming from somewhere: pace, usage and volume. The 6ers played at one of the highest paces in the league with Wroten having a USG rate of over 30% which is completely ridiculous for someone with such poor efficiency. That type of USG rate is reserved for the stars of the league. Just look at the list of names who share that: Lebron, Russ, Kobe, Melo, Harden, LaMarcus, Cousins, DWade, Rose… and then Wroten. That is a joke. Yeah, Wroten with his 49% TS, negative OPM and super high TO rate deserves to dominate possessions and as a "PG" call his own number at the same rate as the LeBron, Harden, Westbrook’s of the league. Kid is selfish and is clueless about his own limitations, let alone what’s expected of him as a PG running an offense. At the end of the day, he’s their "PG" by default. He’s nothing but a stopgap, a horrible one at that, until they find their real core PG.

And yeah, I’d take Schroder over Wroten any day. He’s shown more growth in his game in 1 year than Wroten has since High School. Wroten being "better" than other PGs in his draft class just means it was shtty class of PGs. So basically all you’re saying is that Wroten is a shinier turd… but he’s a turd nonetheless. He’s not even a PG to me, which is why I’d use that label in quotes in reference to him. He’s just a ball-dominant guard who likes to call his own number (like a damn superstar), can’t run and offense for sht and doesn’t defend the position well either.

And just like that, I’m done arguing with you. Judging by your grammar, logic and colloquialisms, I’m better off arguing with a rock.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

Last time i checked  Lebron, Russ,Kobe,Meo, Harden, Lamarcus,Cousins, Dwade and Rose all played for different teams. Last time i checked Robert Convington was thesecond best scoring threat on the 76ers.

He takes to many shots, he forces bad palys and make bad decisions? well who else was even capble of putting up 17 a night on the team? Nerlens Noel or Jason Richardson Dummy? Use your brain and be Logical. He was givin the keys to a Offense with No Scoring threat not even a decent 3 and D guy and you expect him to keep his Turnovers down and Improve his shot selection? You could have toss Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook on the 76ers and I gaurantee they wouldnt have the best year TO or FG% wise either. I dont know 1 elite PG in this lead that dosent have allstar lead talent besides Damian Lillard and we will see how he does.

But as of today the 76ers still has Tony Wroten as their starting PG! LOL So get Out of Feelings and Stop Hating on Anothers Man. Your SALTY for no reason. For him to be in the NBA its blessing. For him to be starting as the 25th pick is amazing. For him to score 17 pts a game on the team he did shows he has talent and potential.  And hes not 1 of the best PGs in his draft alone, He has panned out to be one of the best Pgs since the 2012 draft Outside of Damian Lillard, MCW and Arguably Trey Burke. The future is bright for tony wroten. Can you tell me who will be starting PG for the 76ers opening night?

 

 

 

[Miko4rm206Participant]

Last time i checked  Lebron, Russ,Kobe,Meo, Harden, Lamarcus,Cousins, Dwade and Rose all played for different teams. Last time i checked Robert Convington was thesecond best scoring threat on the 76ers.

He takes to many shots, he forces bad palys and make bad decisions? well who else was even capble of putting up 17 a night on the team? Nerlens Noel or Jason Richardson Dummy? Use your brain and be Logical. He was givin the keys to a Offense with No Scoring threat not even a decent 3 and D guy and you expect him to keep his Turnovers down and Improve his shot selection? You could have toss Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook on the 76ers and I gaurantee they wouldnt have the best year TO or FG% wise either. I dont know 1 elite PG in this lead that dosent have allstar lead talent besides Damian Lillard and we will see how he does.

But as of today the 76ers still has Tony Wroten as their starting PG! LOL So get Out of Feelings and Stop Hating on Anothers Man. Your SALTY for no reason. For him to be in the NBA its blessing. For him to be starting as the 25th pick is amazing. For him to score 17 pts a game on the team he did shows he has talent and potential.  And hes not 1 of the best PGs in his draft alone, He has panned out to be one of the best Pgs since the 2012 draft Outside of Damian Lillard, MCW and Arguably Trey Burke. The future is bright for tony wroten. Can you tell me who will be starting PG for the 76ers opening night?

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

So you agree, they took the BPA, which was Okafor.

Yeah they’re coming from somewhere: pace, usage and volume. The 6ers played at one of the highest paces in the league with Wroten having a USG rate of over 30% which is completely ridiculous for someone with such poor efficiency. That type of USG rate is reserved for the stars of the league. Just look at the list of names who share that: Lebron, Russ, Kobe, Melo, Harden, LaMarcus, Cousins, DWade, Rose… and then Wroten. That is a joke. Yeah, Wroten with his 49% TS, negative OPM and super high TO rate deserves to dominate possessions and as a "PG" call his own number at the same rate as the LeBron, Harden, Westbrook’s of the league. Kid is selfish and is clueless about his own limitations, let alone what’s expected of him as a PG running an offense. At the end of the day, he’s their "PG" by default. He’s nothing but a stopgap, a horrible one at that, until they find their real core PG.

And yeah, I’d take Schroder over Wroten any day. He’s shown more growth in his game in 1 year than Wroten has since High School. Wroten being "better" than other PGs in his draft class just means it was shtty class of PGs. So basically all you’re saying is that Wroten is a shinier turd… but he’s a turd nonetheless. He’s not even a PG to me, which is why I’d use that label in quotes in reference to him. He’s just a ball-dominant guard who likes to call his own number (like a damn superstar), can’t run and offense for sht and doesn’t defend the position well either.

And just like that, I’m done arguing with you. Judging by your grammar, logic and colloquialisms, I’m better off arguing with a rock.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Jahlil was not only the Best Avail. He also filled a team need. Killin 2 birds with 1 stone. 

And yea "Tony Wroten cant Shoot 3s, Midrange or Fts" but yet hes still nearly averging 20 pts a game? Those points are coming from somewhere

Or "Tony Wroten is Padding his Stats on the worst nba team" Last time i checked the 76ers are still a NBA team and Tony Wroten was still going up against the best PGs in the league Night in Night out. Theres no such thing as "Patted" stats he got Minutes and Contributed. 

But at the end of the day  TONY WROTEN is still the 76ERS starting PG. Hes emerged as 1 of the best PGS drafted since 2012. But im sure you would take Kendall Marshall Or Austin rivers over TONE huh? Or better yet Shane Larkin or Dennis Schroder? Within the last 3 drafts Tony Wroten has already proved to be a top 5 pg easily. Statistically, Experience, Potential any way you cut it.

I aint never seen anyone HATE on another Mans Game like that. Kinda like he Crossed you up in Highschool basketball game and then took your Girlfriend out to EAT all in the same Night. Chill out wit all that hating bro its not good for your health

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Or, you could go with a Mike Conley type point guard who literally overthinks EVERYTHNG.

Take the ball and put it in the goal.  Either you or somebody else.

If the Sixers want a high IQ point guard they should get Jeremy Lin.  He went to Har Wait for It Vard.

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Or, you could go with a Mike Conley type point guard who literally overthinks EVERYTHNG.

Take the ball and put it in the goal.  Either you or somebody else.

If the Sixers want a high IQ point guard they should get Jeremy Lin.  He went to Har Wait for It Vard.

 

 

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

Last year he shot 0% from midrange per NBA reference. Only 2.1% of his attempts came from there but that’s because he doesn’t have that ability at all. He also chucked up 5 3’s per game despite shooting 26%. That’s flat out terrible. He gets to the rim a lot but he’s below league average at finishing. His assists numbers barely surpass his turnovers. His sample size was also low, and when the 76ers played better at the end of the year he wasn’t a part of that. Personally, I believe his scoring average would have fell some.

The good news, is that he’s athletic and good at getting to the line. That’s a top tier NBA skill, and if he cleans up the rest of his game a bit, he could be a good player. He’s definitely not a long-term point-guard though. It would have been like putting O.J. Mayo at point, they turn the ball over too much. 

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

Last year he shot 0% from midrange per NBA reference. Only 2.1% of his attempts came from there but that’s because he doesn’t have that ability at all. He also chucked up 5 3’s per game despite shooting 26%. That’s flat out terrible. He gets to the rim a lot but he’s below league average at finishing. His assists numbers barely surpass his turnovers. His sample size was also low, and when the 76ers played better at the end of the year he wasn’t a part of that. Personally, I believe his scoring average would have fell some.

The good news, is that he’s athletic and good at getting to the line. That’s a top tier NBA skill, and if he cleans up the rest of his game a bit, he could be a good player. He’s definitely not a long-term point-guard though. It would have been like putting O.J. Mayo at point, they turn the ball over too much. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Always been a Tony Wroten fan.  Everyone here is spot on with the points. Be it analytics or observation.  Tony can score. Flat out score. Gets to the line and does so better than most players in the league.   So his best skill isn’t an average skill, it’s an excellent skill.  Aside from that he is 22yr old 6’6 and lighting quick.  For Wroten to become an upper tier player the 3 ball will need to start falling. But it’s not like he needs it to keep people honest. He will blow by his defender regardless.  I actually think his mid range game will be what separates him from the average. A pull up J would be quite useful and not that hard to develop given his ability to attack the rim.  As far as his pg ability, the better the talent around him, the more assists he gets. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Always been a Tony Wroten fan.  Everyone here is spot on with the points. Be it analytics or observation.  Tony can score. Flat out score. Gets to the line and does so better than most players in the league.   So his best skill isn’t an average skill, it’s an excellent skill.  Aside from that he is 22yr old 6’6 and lighting quick.  For Wroten to become an upper tier player the 3 ball will need to start falling. But it’s not like he needs it to keep people honest. He will blow by his defender regardless.  I actually think his mid range game will be what separates him from the average. A pull up J would be quite useful and not that hard to develop given his ability to attack the rim.  As far as his pg ability, the better the talent around him, the more assists he gets. 

[TRC1991Participant]

You can’t possibly be blaming Wroten for Sam Hinkie’s poor decision making…

He’s not the reason they suck. Hinkie is. 

 

[TRC1991Participant]

You can’t possibly be blaming Wroten for Sam Hinkie’s poor decision making…

He’s not the reason they suck. Hinkie is. 

 

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 Decisions…. Epically bad decisions…. Like Drafting Evan Turner at # 2 in 2010 instead of Boogie Cousins or Derrick Favors; Like trading away their 2015 1st Round Draft Choice to the Celtics to acquire NBA legend Arnotte Moultry… How about this one – Trading their TWO best players Andre Igudola & nic Vucevik AND their 2012 & 2017 first round picks for NOTHING… Actually it was for Andrew Bynum but NOTHING has the same meaning (Caps are only for emphasis – I’m not yelling at you)… I’m not blaming you knowing none of this – I blame the National Media, especially ESPN, for engaging in a smear campaign and NEVER reporting the state of that team when Hinkie took over ONLY 26 months ago… If Embiid & Saric were playing this year as planned, along w/ Okafor, Noel & Grant they would give teams A lot of trouble… Come next year when All those guys will be on the floor Plus FOUR 1st round drafts picks – most likely Two Lottery – they will have the foundation of a Monster… And that’s why they get all this bad publicity – the Whole League is scared to death of what they are building… The Spurs will Feature THREE 7 footers – ALL over age 30 – next year & the National Media can’t stop kissing their backside, This teams acquires THREE of the ONLY 5 Big men drafted this Decade (2010 – 2015: Uni-brow Davis, Noel, Embiid, Okafor & Towns)… in 5 years when these players are 24, 25 years old they’ll be Destroying the Eastern Conference – Nerlens Noel put up Identical Rookie #’s to Davis; Oakfor is a Tim Duncan clone only w/ a Much stronger, thicker Lower Base & Embiid – a true Giant at 7’2” is the Best of the bunch… So If you took over a team w/ 3 average 6’5” players (at best) as a nucleus singed to Long term deals (Holiday, Turner & Young); NO 1st round draft picks in 2 of the next 4 years & your best player & starting center were just shipped out for Nothing a year earlier – what moves would you make??? What would you do differently??? This team has arguable acquired the BEST player in each of the last 3 Drafts (preetty amazing when you cosider they had the # 11 pick in 2013 Draft when Hinkie took over) & they are now Drowning in 1st Round picks – they have 4 in 2016 & 2 each in 2017, 18 & 19… That’s pretty amazing… Wroten is a freak athlete w/ excellent size & arm length & Hinkie LUVS that but Wroten is a SG not a PG – his shooting %’s are Terrible – his 3pt Fg% are insanely bad but he is a 6’6” Lefty slasher scorer who can provide instant offense off the bench… Before he was injured last December word was that the Clippers were close to acquiring him but they were shopping MCW as well… I don;t believe they Ever wanted Russell – Hinkie is a Master at Draft Poker & leaking Misinformation – I think they wanted Mudiay all along but when Okafor fell to # 3they were in Shock & Had to take him b/c up until April he was the Consensus # 1 pick – he’s an Absolute Stud… I think a guy like Kris Dunn of Providence would be Perfect for Phila, mature, Big, Strong, Unselfish -& w/ those 3 Super Talented Bigs you want a PG who is a facilitator not a guy who thinks he is the Star of the show… In any case, if you look up what I just wrote I think you might feel differently, I mean that w/ respect, I’m not insulting or attacking you just enlightening… I wondered why espn was attacking Phila mercilessly after they were basically invisible on the national scene since Iverson left 10 years ago & when I researched it for myself it made me angry b/c if the Knicks or Lakers took a Decimated franchise & in Only 26 months Stockpiled it w/ Blue Chip prospects & Loads of 1st Round picks they’d build an alter right on TV & worship them…. apologies for the Long post…

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 Decisions…. Epically bad decisions…. Like Drafting Evan Turner at # 2 in 2010 instead of Boogie Cousins or Derrick Favors; Like trading away their 2015 1st Round Draft Choice to the Celtics to acquire NBA legend Arnotte Moultry… How about this one – Trading their TWO best players Andre Igudola & nic Vucevik AND their 2012 & 2017 first round picks for NOTHING… Actually it was for Andrew Bynum but NOTHING has the same meaning (Caps are only for emphasis – I’m not yelling at you)… I’m not blaming you knowing none of this – I blame the National Media, especially ESPN, for engaging in a smear campaign and NEVER reporting the state of that team when Hinkie took over ONLY 26 months ago… If Embiid & Saric were playing this year as planned, along w/ Okafor, Noel & Grant they would give teams A lot of trouble… Come next year when All those guys will be on the floor Plus FOUR 1st round drafts picks – most likely Two Lottery – they will have the foundation of a Monster… And that’s why they get all this bad publicity – the Whole League is scared to death of what they are building… The Spurs will Feature THREE 7 footers – ALL over age 30 – next year & the National Media can’t stop kissing their backside, This teams acquires THREE of the ONLY 5 Big men drafted this Decade (2010 – 2015: Uni-brow Davis, Noel, Embiid, Okafor & Towns)… in 5 years when these players are 24, 25 years old they’ll be Destroying the Eastern Conference – Nerlens Noel put up Identical Rookie #’s to Davis; Oakfor is a Tim Duncan clone only w/ a Much stronger, thicker Lower Base & Embiid – a true Giant at 7’2” is the Best of the bunch… So If you took over a team w/ 3 average 6’5” players (at best) as a nucleus singed to Long term deals (Holiday, Turner & Young); NO 1st round draft picks in 2 of the next 4 years & your best player & starting center were just shipped out for Nothing a year earlier – what moves would you make??? What would you do differently??? This team has arguable acquired the BEST player in each of the last 3 Drafts (preetty amazing when you cosider they had the # 11 pick in 2013 Draft when Hinkie took over) & they are now Drowning in 1st Round picks – they have 4 in 2016 & 2 each in 2017, 18 & 19… That’s pretty amazing… Wroten is a freak athlete w/ excellent size & arm length & Hinkie LUVS that but Wroten is a SG not a PG – his shooting %’s are Terrible – his 3pt Fg% are insanely bad but he is a 6’6” Lefty slasher scorer who can provide instant offense off the bench… Before he was injured last December word was that the Clippers were close to acquiring him but they were shopping MCW as well… I don;t believe they Ever wanted Russell – Hinkie is a Master at Draft Poker & leaking Misinformation – I think they wanted Mudiay all along but when Okafor fell to # 3they were in Shock & Had to take him b/c up until April he was the Consensus # 1 pick – he’s an Absolute Stud… I think a guy like Kris Dunn of Providence would be Perfect for Phila, mature, Big, Strong, Unselfish -& w/ those 3 Super Talented Bigs you want a PG who is a facilitator not a guy who thinks he is the Star of the show… In any case, if you look up what I just wrote I think you might feel differently, I mean that w/ respect, I’m not insulting or attacking you just enlightening… I wondered why espn was attacking Phila mercilessly after they were basically invisible on the national scene since Iverson left 10 years ago & when I researched it for myself it made me angry b/c if the Knicks or Lakers took a Decimated franchise & in Only 26 months Stockpiled it w/ Blue Chip prospects & Loads of 1st Round picks they’d build an alter right on TV & worship them…. apologies for the Long post…

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