[kanyedabestParticipant]

Whats everyones thoughts on j cole? Everyone on my team seems to like him, but i just cant get in2 him….. To be honest i dont care for him, its shocking to me how many ppl like him, i think its more hype then anything, he raps on A LOT of really nice beats but im just notta fan

[goneParticipant]

I know one thing he can’t play QB 

jkjkjk lol

No but forreal he is alright

[PAUL125Participant]

its cause he doesnt talk about girls,money like every other rapper right now. he talks about real life shit

[kanyedabestParticipant]

lol touche @wiz

[M-DYMESParticipant]

He’s decent, but Kendrick Lamar is the future. That guy is the real deal. He’s got all my support and I think he’s gonna end up a legend.

[NO EZ BUCKETSParticipant]

iv’e been hooked on COLECAINE ever since that D-rose commercial that had "im on it" in it 

[StF616Participant]

 My Favorite Rapper.

1.J. Cole is Real – He doesn’t only rap about money cars and bitches ( though he does rap about them too) he raps about his life, as a kid growing up, as a rapper from fayetville north carolina, that went to college on a full scholarship to new york to follow his dream. He raps about issues like abortion,kids in the ghetto, dreamers, etc
2.Basketball – He has said multiple times, if he wasn’t a rapper he would be a basketball player, if not in the NBA he said he would be one of those guys playing in europe, maybe the d-league still trying to make that nearly impossible dream come true. He makes alot of basketball refernces and allussions, parallells, etc. He compares himself to a Basketball player, being cut the first time, making the team, being given the chance to start and finally star. Thats what his album Cole World: The Sideline Story is. He loves the game of Basketball but loves Rapping More.
"I’m Hoopdreamin, Hanging pictures of my idols,
Jordan was like juses, Slam was like the bible,
I used to read it twice and cut the pictures out,
Had the jordan free throw dunk tongue sticking out"
3.I Can Relate – I think the most important part of being a kid, a person’s favorite artist is that person being able to relate. He says what you want to say, He agrees with you, says Keep Ya Head Up when you’re going through tough times. Alot of kids when they’re feeling down, they put on their headphones. And just listen. And with J. Cole, he’s a dreamer, his life was a struggle, he didn’t grow up being a gangster but he grew up around it. He had a hoop dream, he has his own opinions, and he through all of it, persevered. Being cut from his basketball team when he thought and belived he deserved to make it, working hard, and finally making the team. Being an underdog. I can relate.

 

[tuck243Participant]

Are not that hot… He made those songs… Dollar and a Dream beat aint hot… I can name only 2 beats that’s hot Nice Watch and Work Out… You sound like a hater mane…  J. Cole is nice I still feel he got a long way to go… He nice though…  I’m high on Big Krit… Kendrick Lamar?  Na, dude been out for a while now and to be honest he’s trash…

Slaughter House has seen A LOT of pub lately since they murdered that cypher… I’m a big Mouse fan, so its definitely good to see him gettin the love he deserves… 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

We have a very big difference of opinion if you think Lamar is trash.  Lyrically he’s amazing, he has a unique flow and uses beats others in the industry wouldn’t dare touch.  Section .80 is a classic already IMO. 

[tuck243Participant]

Name the hottest song he has in your opinion…  It could be lyrical no need for a club banger, I am a Budden fan… 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

I dunno if you can associate the word trash with Kendrick Lamar. I’ll admit, I haven’t heard all of his tracks but I know he has one of the best flows in the game. He also has a great message behind the tracks I’ve listened to. I bump this track daily

 

[torontoraptors10Participant]

He’ll turn out like every other rapper

 

1. He is really secrative and has some underground tunes
2. Gets some exposure and little by little people start noticing him
3. He has a couple of tracks that catch people’s attention
4. All these hipsters are going to be like, "We heard of him first and you bit**** just heard him cause of us"
5. He is going to catch the radio by storm with one or two of his songs
6. All these basic bitc**** are going to be all over his nuts and his music is going to be overplayed
7. Then he’ll become a sell out like Drizzy Drake, Lil Wayne (worst rapper of all time btw) and just look his passion for the game and rap about nonesense that the majority of society can relate too (ex: Lil Wayne’s – How to Love and Wiz Khalifa – I Roll Up)

• Then all these little kids are going to get on the songs and sing along to them not knowing what they mean and you’re going to be like "oh my gahhh, people still listen to this and then you’re going to find a new rapper to like….

  It’s a vicious cycle… I know.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

HiiiPower

P&P 1.5

Rigamortis

Ronald Reagan Era

Ignorance is Bliss

Monster Freestyle

Look out for Detox

Blow my High

LMAO

Let Me Be Me

The Spiteful Chant

…I could go on an on. 

Just hear me out…Section .80 at the minimum is a must buy for any real hiphop fan.

It just is a perfect fit for my taste. 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Just a taste.  If u want more ill give u the name of every track i copped from him.

[OhCanada-Participant]

I hate you – Kendrick Lamar is a pretty good track too.

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

 J cole is the truth raps about real shit people can relate too, thats why everyone is digging me and hes the truth hes one of the few rappers spitting real fire, no commercialized bull

[Scottoant93Participant]

torontoraptors " Lil Wayne (worst rapper of all time btw)"

Thank you, someone who says the truth, he has to make some of the worst songs and is overated as f@ck. all he does is mumble in his songs.

As for J. cole i’ve only listened to him a few times, i thought he was pretty good

[OMARtheLEGENDParticipant]

j coles life was a struggle????actually j cole grew up in a middle class family so it wasnt like he had to deal crack to stay alive. Secondly kendrick lamar shits on jcole lyrcally its not even close.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Kendrick Lamar and J-Cole both are changing the scene of hiphop.  Just as much as you say J-Cole talks about real ish…so does K.Dot.  Diff styles, I just prefer Lamar, sue me.

I think K.Dot’s flow is better, i think lyrically he is a phenom (did u hear him cypher at BET?), and like I said he’s successful with beats that other rapper wouldn’t make a dime with.  He brings back jazzy style with real instruments on his tracks.  No autotuned punk ass crap.  He is real.  100…wateva u wanna call it…aka…the truth.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Who’s you favorite rapper?  He Dead. Amen.  Yep, I killed him.

Naw mutha’fucka I’m just Compton’s Rapper
I might spit some intricate shit for retards not to get
But really I’m just as rude as Marshall Mathers
Is that a contradiction? He contradicting himself again?
Of course that’s a contradiction, the fuck you think life is?
We not like like Christ is
We all want ices and devices to make the bitches say I like this

[Tha King2121Participant]

 Hes my favorite artist out their, I have been to his concert 3 times. Last week he was as Old Dominon College in VA. I traveled from Atlantic City Nj to go their, 7 hour drive.

Coles my Idol, I waited outside of his tour bus after the concert from 11 to 3 30 Am. He came out and talk to the 10 people who waited on him to sleep, He signed my album and talked with us for about 10 minutes. Cole also brought Big Sean who killed it. It was the best overall concert I have ever been to. Cole World! 

Also Kendrick Lamar is pretty damm nice, I want to see him live because I already checked off J Cole and Big Sean and Wiz(hes not the best but really chill music). 

 

[Snubs15Participant]

I like J Cole, hes probably my 2nd favourite rapper. Behind Kendrick Lamar, hes the truth.

[kngojcParticipant]

 Okay but seriously though. Check out Donald Glover aka Childish Gambino. Lyrically he’a a beast man. He’s got a new album coming out in November too. Right now I’m still a big fan of Big Sean and J Cole is coming along too. But I always gotta be checkin out the new underground guys that need to get that recognition. I love that underground shiiiiiiiiiiiit.

 

@Wiz, that was funny too lol. take a shot at him while he’s till 200 points down from that last post lmao

[torontoraptors10Participant]

I remember back in high school when he made the song "Lollipop," and everyone asked me if I liked that song I said, "Worst rapper ever." And everyone used to roast on me and said I didn’t know music, 5 years later they’re saying what I said back then.

People give into consumerism too much and they forget why they like the music. Seriously, what is Roll Up about? Oh yeah, and I’m on one by Drake? The fu*k?

" I walk around the club, fu*k everybody…. too much money ain’t enough money, you know the feds listenin’ n**** what money?"

People just like the beat and don’t listen to the message and all these main stream rappers are promoting a lifestyle that weak-minded people fall into (smoke ku*h, fu*k bitc****, get money) AND LOOK HOW ARE SOCIETY IS TURNING INTO.

Best way is too boycott these rappers. People are too easily brainwashed and if you listen to this kind of music you’re only giving what these industries want.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I hope yall aint puting Kendrick Lamar or even J-Cole in the same class as Wayne.  Wayne and 90% of todays rap is striaght bull&$#%#&@!, but I think these 2 are guys who may enter the mainstream and make some changes.  I was hoping maybe one day that would have been immortal technique but the middle passage wait is taking him out of anything remotely close to the mind of mainstream listeners.  Lupe is kind of close, but I think K.Dot has the potential to do for hiphop what Pac did back in the early 90s.

I am that high on his prospects. 

[tuck243Participant]

" Who’s you favorite rapper? He Dead. Amen. Yep, I killed him.

Naw mutha’&$#%#&@!a I’m just Compton’s Rapper
I might spit some intricate &$#%#&@! for retards not to get
But really I’m just as rude as Marshall Mathers
Is that a contradiction? He contradicting himself again?
Of course that’s a contradiction, the &$#%#&@! you think life is?
We not like like Christ is
We all want ices and devices to make the &$#%#&@! say I like this"

This is what hip-hop has gone to?  Ninjas outchea thinking this is lyrical?  Do you realize what Budden and Em was doing in the beginning of Em’s verse in the 2.0 Cypher? Pointing out ish like this…  Spitting some ridiculous ish, make it rhyme, make it seem lyrical, and it really means NOTHING… That ish isn’t lyrical or hot… His verse in the cypher was TERRIBLE too… I guess I stand alone in this… Wiz has become trash too… He was better a couple years back…

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Did u hear K.Dot’s cypher.  His easily topped Budden and Em.  Em was just all about talking how his squad was taking over rap.  I wasn’t overly impressed as far as for Em.  It means alot if you open your ears and can understand metaphorical concepts.  Listen to HiiiPower or really anything from Section .80.  If you telling me that ain’t lyrical, I don’t understand where your coming from. 

The meaning behind songs Keisha’s Song, Tammy’s Song, HiiiPower, Ronald Reagan Era, No Makeup…it all like a story.  Do me a favor and yourself one and listen to those songs and come back and tell us your findings. 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Tell me that ain’t amazing. Such a touching song. Its a story…how is that not lyrical?

[tuck243Participant]

raps listen to Lupe, Common, and Mos Def…  The ish "Kendrick Lamar" kicking I could do 5 years ago… MF said he’s the new PAC… Smh how disrespectful… As much as I like J. Cole he is NOT the future of Hip-Hop until you underground weed smoking children understand marketing, promotional, and club ability for these rappers it ain’t gonna happen… 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Dude i listen to Mos Def, Immortal Tech, Common, Talib Kweli, Lupe…all that.  Kendrick is slightly different then them, but he stil is great.  And K.Dot don’t smoke weed at all so don’t bring that up.  But that doesn’t mean it still isn’t a part of society, so you can’t judge someone for putting kush in a verse when it really is everywhere and it is so controversial and misunderstood (by that I mean what the masses are telling the youth about it). 

Mad respect to too MF Doom, and there is a reason why he, the west coast, and many other groups/people/hip hop nation are relieved this kid is in the game.  He is gonna be special, if he isn’t already.

 

I will agree J-Cole isn’t in the same realm IMO.  Kendrick Lamar is nice though and if you got a diff of opinion that is fine, but to say he isn’t lyrical, especially in comparison to the crap that gets played on the airways nowaday…that is unjust. 

[Penny Jr.Participant]

I dont even want to share my musical genuis but I will say J.Cole spits real sh*t and is worth listening to. Kendrick Lamar is sick Section80 is a classic album. Cole & Kendrick are on the same level, Cole has put out more quality music but their still on the same level as lyrical wise(which is high), and being able to connect with fans. I understand were tuck243 is coming from with the Common and Mos Def, they are all about lyricism and if you dont pay attention you’ll be like wtf are they talking about. I’m also a big fan of Mos Def. But, I wont throw Lupe name in there he’s just a notch below Cole & Kendrick.

[tuck243Participant]

Kendrick Lamar trys to tell a story or talk deep with simple a$$ similes…  It’s nothing  "metaphorical" about him… Lupe is WAYYYYYYY better at it… Stop it 5… "Run like Flo Joe?"  Like come on really?  Spit something more inspiring than that… Make something relevant to life today in fact…  Like ninja’s be outchea REALLY thinking they spitting on different levels that folks can’t comprehend… NO!!! WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING… The same was said years ago when people used to talk about Nas…  "Just because YOU don’t understand him doesn’t meaning he’s nice, it means you don’t understand all the Bull Ish that he writes…"

[M-DYMESParticipant]

K.Dot has put out a ton of music beyond Section .80 as well.  Check out the mixtape "Overly Dedicated" and just research him under the name K.Dot, as that was what he went by before changing his stage name to his real name.

[tuck243Participant]

What exactly is "Real Hip-Hop" define that… What is "Fake" Hip-Hop?  Ninja can’t dance to or be in the club listening to MLK lyrics…  If you go back in the day to Old Hip-Hop, they were rapping about their sneaks and girls…  Very Cheesy raps to get air play…  Ninja’s be trying to go TOO deep and actually the ones out of touch with reality…  Southside (Which I think is a idiot) had a great point when he said, "All you lyrical rappers talking all that ish about us down south Ninja’s aint eating, we making money over here"  It’s the truth yo… Its no such thing as "Real Hip-Hop" 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Being lyrical goes far beyond just being metaphorical.  And your caps lock doesn’t impress me.  And if you can’t understand NAS or K.Dot…thats not my problem. 

 

But if you want me to go into his metaphorical abilities as well here are some…

You can underrate me, but I know what I’m worth. A diamond in God’s dirt, a diamond in winter. Watch the Simpsons and eating some cereal for dinner. See, I give you my life, mix it up in a blender.

 

I think that I finally reached the pinnacle. Finding myself as an individual.

 

So if I’m not clubbing, don’t think I’m on some jerk &$#%#&@! and California on that Jerk &$#%#&@! but I’d just rather 2-step, like my first steps. Jill Scott on my iPod, as my head rests…yes

I gotta get my point across like a snitch would and I would never walk in the shadow that never was really there. Or try to fill the shoes of an invisible pair and Dame said he proud of my new found honesty and all I could say is, "Will the radio care?"

 

Ha ha ha, I like to joke, got a sense of humor? Still face, play me short like an oompa loompa. You ain’t gotta screw up your face in front of the kids won’t you lighten up like Michael did?

 

Almost lost my life to the industry. Had to look through a photobook to remember me. These label heads ain’t nothing but bull&$#%#&@! have you with professional killa’s, chasing hits.

 

Not to mention what you’re saying just shows how great he is.  Most of his great works aren’t gonna come in a bar or 2.  Its not gonna have every other line being a simile or metaphor.  Listen and watch the big picture.  His songs have substance which many other rappers lack.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I really don’t care what you or anyone else likes.  I’m just trying to turn some people onto this type of music so I don’t have to go to parties and constantly hear Lil Wayne. 

If you don’t like K.Dot fine…but I think you are missing out on something special.  But to each his own, I have no problem with you thinking he is a joke. 

You’re right there is no "Real hiphop"…there is whatever you consider hiphop.  Who am I to judge if you like yourself some Lil B, Mos Def, Immortal Tech, Mac Miller…what have you.  If you like it do it, listen to it, enjoy it.  Isn’t that what music about anyway?  That and spreading a message, but some people have a problem with the message some send and that is where people come at odds often in music.  

So how bout we all just raise a finger, say fuck whatever they think, and just listen to whatever u want. 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I stopped listening to rap for a minute just because I was TIRED of the same old BS, but I gave J. Cole a chance.

I listened to all of his tracks on youtube and was so impressed, I went to Best Buy and paid for the man’s CD. His album wasn’t perfect, but the best debut I’ve heard in awhile.

He’s not all metaphors and punchlines, which is good for a change. He has that Nas flow, where he tells a story. Real life type stuff I can relate to.

[tuck243Participant]

I yawned at those lame a$$ attempts to be lyrical…  I do understand them, the problem is either YOU don’t or you think other people don’t…  The ish isn’t hot and it really means nothing… Nothing you put or he say’s makes me go damn…  Nas is nice, I think he’s a dope rapper I only put that out there so you will understand what people was saying about Nas years ago and that was their #1 agenda… "You don’t understand what he’s saying" NO we get it, its just not that hot… Especially Kendrick Lamar… 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I will repeat exactly what I said at the end of the other post…

"Not to mention what you’re saying just shows how great he is. Most of his great works aren’t gonna come in a bar or 2. Its not gonna have every other line being a simile or metaphor. Listen and watch the big picture. His songs have substance which many other rappers lack."

There is a reason he doesn’t have the lyrical whitty one liners as often as other rappers.  Coming from a Mos Def listener, I think you would realize that.  His tracks have a lesson behind them and you have to listen to the whole thing.  It isn’t the type of rap where its…."ohh &$#%#&@! he just said that".  I doubt K.Dot will drop many disses or be involved in much battle rapping at all.  That isn’t his style.  But lyrically…yes…he is.  Its in the grand scheme though.  He’s not a punch-line rapper. 

 

Thats why he gets compared to Pac at times.  West Coast, far more than a punch-line rapper, delivers a message. 

[tuck243Participant]

" Flippin the script up like Mike Vick

Get bit in his junk by a pit, yup I’m a sick pup

I’d be a horrible magician Cause I’d f*ck a trick up

Fix ya lips up to say something fly, or zip up

A-B? Let’s C. You said you were gonna do X-Y-Z

Till you f*ck around and get dropped like an E

When you add an I-N-G

Don’t put a K in front of that though, When I MC

Cause I’m not the king of this microphone booth It’s more like a phonebooth

Superman in this bytch, kryptonite won’t do

It gives me more power, I bump the fat boys and

Eat rat poison, and take meteor showers"

Literally killed that ish…

[tuck243Participant]

Stop saying that… The only thing they have in common is Cali… You must be in the West Coast because yall jump on ANY rapper with substance and claim they nice… Tyler The Creator is better than Kendrick Lamar… I understand he’s trying to put out a message its just poorly done IMO…  He’s trys to go too deep, with average "Punchlines" and bars…  The ish isn’t hot… He flows very well though… That MJ line was terrible, like the ish aint hot, it doesn’t forces me to think, not clever…  

[Scottoant93Participant]

In the midst of all this going back and forth, i think we can all agree that kanyedabest(i feel like a hypocrite everytime i say this, since i can’t stand kanye haha)/Yeezy Racist post always cause arguements haha

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Lie to my face/
spray me with mace/
it dont matter popos ill dismember ur race/
expose your corruption and lust of destruction/
We all kno half yall puppets without real function/
peacemakers who carry heat/
with warrants to kill innocent niggas in the street/
n u wonder why we hate on ur practice?/
what the fuck do u do with my money from taxes!/
Fuck all you crackheads/
cleaning the streets?/
u smoke crack like Whitney Houston laced wit Bobby Brown’s peeps/
n until u clean up ur act/
there’s no reason I’ll respect ur claim to protect/
a nightstick aint a santion for assault/
take a swing n ill turn ur brain into a malt/
rip off ur badge turn it inside out/
pin it back in ur eye to show what authority is about

 

I killed that sh*t

[tuck243Participant]

I’m still laughing… Wait, wait, wait, wait…. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL… *In tears* *Smacking my desk* AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH… I needed that… Thanks M-Dymes… Its one thing to be deep, it’s another to TRY be deep… Something it seems you will never understand… It undermines your message…  And honestly very disrespectful to the listener… 

 

[tuck243Participant]

One of the best lyrical songs ever… 

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Thank you sir.  That was actually following my arrest during G-20 in Pittsburgh.  Bunch of bullcrap, almost tried to expell me from PITT along with a ton of other students when I did nothing wrong.  And if I wrote for anyone but myself maybe then I would care what your biased opinion thinks, but since I don’t, honestly I couldn’t careless about what some nbadraft.net wannabe hiphop critic really thinks.

Never said I was a pro, and I couldn’t come close to a guy like K.Dot or Mos Def.  But hey atleast I write instead of hate for pleasure.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

[tuck243Participant]

The ish sucks…  Kendrick Lamar sucks…  I’m entitled to say that… I don’t have to feel sorry for you and who gives a flying F that you got expelled dum dum…  Majority of folks on here are going to read that say damn that’s F’d up and go back to eating their oodles and noodles… That’s why when you try to show how intelligent you are with your word play it really shows how incompetent you really are…  Listen to a rapper that writes about your daily struggle… Kendrick Lamar is so far off its ridiculous…  

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I didn’t get expelled dumbass.  I was giving background to the reason behind those lines.  I can’t stand douchebags like you who don’t talk about anyting but negativity.  Enjoy life and stop hating on everyone elses.

 

And yes you are entitled to say it sucks.  Just like I am entitled to defend what I want, with more knowledge than you if I so chose.  B/c while I speak with substance and come from an actual perspective, you just complain and give little if anything to support your constant &$#%#&@!.  

[tuck243Participant]

 is only from a prespective of listening to him daily… Kendrick Lamar isn’t that dope… He’s been on the scene for a while now… My knowledge is from looking at the rap game…  You know why Jay-Z is considered the G.O.A.T.?  Because he can give you lyrical, a punchline, and a club banger all in one song…  People who TRY to be lyrical tend to dance around with word play to say something simple… People don’t want to hear that…  People want to hear good music, a dope beat, and great lyrics…  Your boy can’t do that… Waka great beats, terrible lyrics, and decent music…  Kanye, Jay, Drake, and T.I. all get that…  Even my boy Joey don’t understand that…  Kendrick sometimes sounds like he write his rhymes before he even touches the booth and hear a beat…  Lyrics is only ONE part of a song… And to be honest maybe the least needed…

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I realize that there is more to music than just lyrics. 

But…for me…lyrics is the most important and I do enjoy the throwback beats K.Dot is working with.

That being said, I’m saying he has potential to be an all-time great.  I know he has actually been on the scene for a while, but he isn’t even signed yet.  Other than Top Dawg…which they run (Black Hippy n co.).  Once he’s better funded im sure other aspects of his music will improve, i just hope he doesn’t lose who he is like a few guys I used to like such as T.I., the Old Kayne…etc.  

 

And its your opinion, but Jay-z is not the GOAT imo.  That still is a between 2Pac n Biggie, and I’m not just saying that b/c "your suppose to say that".  I honest to God think those 2 are the greatest at this point.  I put Big L above Jay as well.   

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I respect that you stick to your guns though Tuck.  And I def. think you know a thing or 2 about hiphop.

Mos Def, Budden, Black Thought…these guys def. are underrated.  Its cool we got more people on here who know more than just your typical mainstream rap.

 

[tuck243Participant]

wasn’t a dope rapper… Hear me out before you trip out…  He meant so much more to the Black community…  His songs inspired to do more… His trick?  To keep it simple and talk directly to you…  Him getting deep was about telling you EXACTLY how he felt… That’s why I keep saying I feel Kendrick is TRYING to be deep and he’s TRYING to be lyrical…  Just flow and be real…  Biggie was nice lyrically and flow, but not personal enough… Maybe its because he barely have any material out, sue me, it’s the truth… You can’t call someone the Greatest of All-Time with 2 albums out…  That’s soooo disrespectful to people who progressed… I feel saying Pac, Biggie, Pun, and Big L is a cop out…  You give me Biggie top lyrical songs and I’ll give you at least double of Jay-Z…  "I’m so far ahead of my time I’m bout to start another life, look behind you I’m about to past you twice, back to the future had to slow up for the present I’m fast, ninja’s still can’t get past my past."  People talk about Wayne when he wanna get long winded he snaps…  That 7 foot… Or go back in the day to that Best of Me freestyle with Sqad Up…  

You do too bro… But I just wish you understand Hip-Hop is wayyyy more than "lyrical" guys…  Even Lil B trash a$$ has some decent songs…  As much as I dislike down south rappers I listen to Travis Porter and throw on the Shady Cypher afterwards…  Just a fan of Hip-Hop you can’t take everything seriously in Hip-Hop because Hip-Hop in it self isn’t… Neither is life…

[M-DYMESParticipant]

No I agree…

"I realize that there is more to music than just lyrics.

But…for me…lyrics is the most important and I do enjoy the throwback beats K.Dot is working with."

 

There are plenty of tracks I love that aren’t filled with great lyricism.  Its just the majority of the time, that is what I appreciate most in songs, especially hiphop.  Flow is huge, I can appreciate a great beat, and when you get a classic song that combines it all…that is hiphop in its finest.  

This is why I think K.Dot has potential to be one of my favorites.  He has lyricism down, and a different flow.  I think in time he could develop into one of my favorites of all time.  He isn’t yet, but I just think he has a bright future.  Mos Def, Black Thought, Vinnie Paz, Immortal, MF, Lupe…those guys aren’t leaving my mind anytime soon.  I love all sorts of hiphop and they are pioneers as far as lyricism and flow. 
 

I thought Lupe killed it on LASERs and supposedly it aint even 1/2 as good as Lupe says it could have been, given full power over what was released on it.  That album is art.  Beats, flow, lyrics, a message…awesome. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

"To be honest Pac….wasn’t a dope rapper…"

 

Dymes did you really let him say that…Ive been watching this one from afar hoping you would handle it, but thats crossing the line, and it seems like you dont really wanna argue, soooo…..I guess its now my job. Pac wasn’t a dope rapper? Seriously you really think that?

First of all Tupac was a "dope MC" and never was a rapper. During the times where "HIP HOP" (the peoples expression and free will transfered into musical compisitions), was turning into "RAP" (african american stereotypical music processed and sold through mainstream corporations) Tupac fought those corporations taking over the peoples music singlehandidly. He was a revolutionist. The man was an extremely educated activist who subliminaly influenced his fans,the black community, and entire hip hop community as a whole to come together as one and fight oppression created by world leaders.

He is also a very sharp lyricist, although he is not the best I agree on that. Still I do not think their are 10 MC’s/Rappers with better lyrical abillities then Pac. Pac will probally have another album come out in a year or two that is 10 times better then anything on the market and he was assassinated 15 years ago… Maybe "wasnt a dope rapper" just isnt what you meant to say.

[M-DYMESParticipant]

I couldn’t even comment on that part man.  I was just like if you don’t think Pac is a dope rapper, then I’m not gonna change your mind on anything.

 

Pac is still by far the greatest IMO.  He had it all.  He poured his soul into his rap.  Battling, spiritual, lessons, a mission, sick beats, amazing flow, every track of his is classic in my eyes.  He was an activist and is a leader to many.  What he accomplished with his music sets a new standard.  Its a damn near unreachable benchmark.

 

OhCanada you know how I feel about Pac.  Its just I’ve typed alot on this thread and I need to chill for a moment.  What you stated is 100% truth tho.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Its not even close… The game…and the world more importantly diffently misses him whether people can acknowledge it or not theres a huge void.

[LeroyJenkinsParticipant]

Best rapper ever

[Scottoant93Participant]

[OhCanada-Participant]

Also symbolically the goat represents the Devil so perhaps the fact that Jay-Z is the consensus G.O.A.T. is acceptable. Lets not foget Jay-Z was actaully the heir apparent to Biggies throne as far as the rap game goes. Biggie had a clothing line named "666" I believe that was being launched which would have had 100’s of million’s of people in the world wearing 666. Instead Jay-Z took the throne and started a label so bluntly named Rocafella, which was blatently named after the Roccefeller family who’s combined wealth cannot even be assessed by any level of value…basically they own the industrial world. This is what Tupac didnt want to happen. People throwing an Illuminati pyramid into the sky, after hearing their favourite rapper, a guy who names his label after one of the most heartless power craving men ever to walk the face of the earth, and also blantently raps about his experiences with the illuminati taking his soul, and subliminally shows images supporting the illuminati throughout his songs and label. Funny thing is Eminem is considered by many just good as Jay Z and he does the exact same thing but in a way worse fashion, and Lil Wayne is the next up to bat with the same intent.

I may sound crazy, funny thing about this is that these things are just common knowledge to me to the point where I really dont care at this point…it is just a way of life. Deception is everywhere its just people are way too blinded, or too stupid to see it. The "third eye" helps you see through all the media BS. If youve developed a third eye you know exactly what I mean, if not you probally think Im crazy, me myself Im probally just gonna go to bed so i can go back to work and make my company 1000 times more money then I make since I work in commission based energy sales. Nighty night!

[aamir543Participant]

I didn’t really pay much heed to this thread, cause I’m not a really big rap fan. Then I kept seeing the post total rise and rise, and I was like, "Oh  no, I hope Kanye Didn’ say somthing like-White rappers aren’t that good because of the color of their skin, but that’s Ok, my favortite QB (Jay Quitler) is white, so I’m not reacist." lol

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

ive heard already a few songs from lamar

and the dude can str8 flow

[tuck243Participant]

No one cares about Jay-Z’s relations with the Illuminati…  We are talking about rap…

Secondly, if you read everything I said about Pac you will see I said he meant so much more… Honestly I wouldn’t call him a rapper because he was on a different level… His message touch many and to be honest you can replay his ish right now to get thru a hard time…  BUT lyrically he wasn’t nice…  He just used big words that’s all…  

Dr. J came before Jordan…  And is Jordan not the greatest?  I mean come on… I understand Pac, Pun, Big, and L died but it isn’t fair that yall put these dudes in this arena that no one can touch…  Jay-Z surpassssssssssssed every expectation imaginable for a rapper…  The fawk Canada think he is?  And Tupac called himself a rapper, not MC… MC was used during the 80’s and normally from NY cats… Pac died in ’96?  With Jay-Z substance, records, accomplishments, and revenue he is the GOAT… Em is Kobe and Wayne is LeBron… Pac is Russell and Biggie is Wilt… The end… I live it with a Pac quote, "Its just muuuuusic, hahaha"….

[JNixonParticipant]

 J.Cole to me is a very talented rapper, he has very strong material and he raps what most can relate to in some way or another with his songs. He can relate to just about any audience. He’s pretty lyrical and he raps with precision. My thing with J. Cole, and I may get killed for it but its my opinion, I cannot listen to him for long periods of time because his delivery and cadence are kind of monotonous. I like all the lyrics to his songs, but I do not like the delivery all that much so I cannot get into his songs like a diehard fan, even though he definitely has the lyrics to get my attention. He has alot of potential thoiugh, he might be recognized as a  legendary rapper, but I think he has to work on his "rap mechanics" to reach out to a broader audience. I think his delivery and flow are part of the reason he doesn’t reach out to the mainstream audience as much as other rappers out there. He had no big radio single, even though he sold VERY well, and I think it has to with his somewhat monotonous flow.

Just my opinion. 

[tuck243Participant]

someone said this on Twitter then I listened and it made a lot of sense…  The issue with J. Cole is he doesn’t write to the beat… A lot of the so-called "Lyrical" rappers don’t do that and it shows…  It sound as if he wrote it before he even touch the studio…  He’s dope but he is monotoned… Some of that is engineering too, sometimes I could barely hear him…  Lloyd Banks is the PRIME F’ing EXAMPLE… He says dope ish but you can’t hear one word…

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

 kendrick lamar is the TRUTH!! better than j.cole for sure i think

man got nasty ass flow… and lyrics

that man been in my mp3 since november

[McDunkin]

I used to have J Cole and Wale neck and neck…but ever since MMG….its Cole world

[Ghost01Participant]

 I knew there would be some clown bringing up the Illuminati in this thread…and Jay Z aint no goat, it aint like in 98′ MJ was deferring to Pippen the way Jay Z was deferring to Kanye on the Throne…

Lamar is 100X better than J Cole. J Cole’s album was pretty bad to be honest. 

[F_DA_POParticipant]

hes wack as hell and so is all mainstream hip hop. new music flat out blows these days. Its all about 90s when it comes to rap. Theres a lot of good underground tracks as well

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