[BubblebuttParticipant]

K I read this long drawn out post about what happens if the NBA goes on a lock out and it gets to next years draft with seeing Mike Miller throw up another brick. Well if that does happen here’s what I say should go down. If a team had not made the play-offs this past year then they should get 2 first round draft picks. If a team did make the play-offs and they were dope like the Mavs than they should get 1 draft pick from the late 1st round 15th to 45 early second round. Rest of the Draft goes by what ever record a team finishes with and no extra balls for a team like Miami who chokes.  

[Knicksboy3Participant]

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That’s a terrible idea, even with this rumored superstar draft. Why award teams that were bad two seasons ago? I say, keep the old order and do a lottery. 

[Knicksboy3Participant]

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That’s a terrible idea, even with this rumored superstar draft. Why award teams that were bad two seasons ago? I say, keep the old order and do a lottery. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

If teams had two first round picks, than that would eliminate teams such as Indiana, Philadelphia, New Orleans and Houston from having one. Thus making that idea, quite awful. I for one think in the sake of fairness, that you have a lottery where any team AT LEAST has the ability to move up in the draft. Plus, I feel rewarding teams who have not had luck in maintaining winning records or getting the first pick in the draft have first dibs.

Too just flat out perform the lottery again seems really unfair to me. How would we know that Minnesota would have the worst record in the league again, and whether Cleveland would not improve? How do we know that a team that maybe finished just out of the play-offs does not have a down turn? That is why, at the very least, I think there should be a weighted lottery that gives all of the teams that missed the play-offs that past year, or even teams who have struggled over the past few seasons, more of a chance to move up and maintain a solid draft pick. My explanation may be "long and drawn out", but it was what another league in a similar situation did, and it actually worked out quite well. Too just give the Cavs and the Clippers (for the Wolves) the best chance BY FAR (45% chance combined they would get the top pick), just because we did not have a season would be much more unfair than giving other teams who may have indeed been worse during this upcoming season an equal, or at least more of a chance, to win the first pick.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

If teams had two first round picks, than that would eliminate teams such as Indiana, Philadelphia, New Orleans and Houston from having one. Thus making that idea, quite awful. I for one think in the sake of fairness, that you have a lottery where any team AT LEAST has the ability to move up in the draft. Plus, I feel rewarding teams who have not had luck in maintaining winning records or getting the first pick in the draft have first dibs.

Too just flat out perform the lottery again seems really unfair to me. How would we know that Minnesota would have the worst record in the league again, and whether Cleveland would not improve? How do we know that a team that maybe finished just out of the play-offs does not have a down turn? That is why, at the very least, I think there should be a weighted lottery that gives all of the teams that missed the play-offs that past year, or even teams who have struggled over the past few seasons, more of a chance to move up and maintain a solid draft pick. My explanation may be "long and drawn out", but it was what another league in a similar situation did, and it actually worked out quite well. Too just give the Cavs and the Clippers (for the Wolves) the best chance BY FAR (45% chance combined they would get the top pick), just because we did not have a season would be much more unfair than giving other teams who may have indeed been worse during this upcoming season an equal, or at least more of a chance, to win the first pick.

[aamir543Participant]

What is this site coming to?

[aamir543Participant]

What is this site coming to?

[Scottoant93Participant]

I hate when people use the word K

[Scottoant93Participant]

I hate when people use the word K

[burningfloodParticipant]

 @Mikeyvthedon, your suggestion wouldn’t quite be fair either. Giving any team the chance to move up means teams like the Lakers, the Celtics, the Heat, the Bulls–teams that are already championship caliber teams–have a chance to get lottery or even top 3 picks. That’d be absurdly unfair, letting the rich get richer as the poor get left with the scraps. You’re right in that it wouldn’t be fair to assume that the Twolves or the Cavs would be just as bad this year as last year, but does anyone really think that Miami or LA would finish in the bottom half of the league in a season, given their current rosters? 

[burningfloodParticipant]

 @Mikeyvthedon, your suggestion wouldn’t quite be fair either. Giving any team the chance to move up means teams like the Lakers, the Celtics, the Heat, the Bulls–teams that are already championship caliber teams–have a chance to get lottery or even top 3 picks. That’d be absurdly unfair, letting the rich get richer as the poor get left with the scraps. You’re right in that it wouldn’t be fair to assume that the Twolves or the Cavs would be just as bad this year as last year, but does anyone really think that Miami or LA would finish in the bottom half of the league in a season, given their current rosters? 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Not surprisingly, from a Warriors fan. My answer is, of course it would not be fair the Lakers or Miami too pick TOO high. Which was why, my original response included something more than was posted. Here it is:

 

1. If there is no NBA season, how will the draft order be determined?

 

This question is incredibly complicated, as it has never happened in NBA history. I think you rule out keeping the exact same order, sorry Cleveland fans. However, if there was a lottery, it could be the exact same teams as before who missed the play-offs that previous year. However, there is precedent of this happening in another league, and that could be something the NBA possibly adopts.

 

The NHL cancelled the 2004-05 season; they faced the same dilemma the NBA might face in accordance to the 2012 draft. The NHL decided that instead of making the picks the exact same as the year before, they had a weighted lottery for all 30 teams, rather than standard 14 teams that missed the play-offs.

 

The NHL gave 3 lottery balls to teams that had missed the play-offs and not won a first overall pick during the last 4 seasons. If the NBA were too use this same method, it would give these teams 3 lottery balls:

 

Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings, Toronto Raptors, Golden State Warriors, New Jersey Nets

 

From there, the NHL got REALLY tricky. They supposedly only gave 2 lottery balls too teams that met ONE of the above 7 criteria (Missing the play-offs the past 3 seasons or not winning the first pick in the draft). The rest only had got one. I would say, give every team that had missed the play-offs the previous year one lottery combination. Than, give the rest of the teams’ one lottery ball.

 

Too mimic the NHL draft, they would than do this throughout 30 picks. If they used this method, it would mean the 5 teams that met all 7 criteria would have a 6.1% chance at the first pick. The other lottery teams would have a 4.1% chance, and the rest of the teams would have a 2% chance.

 

The major issue that might arise is of course that the Bulls, Spurs and Heat would have the same chances as the Pacers, Sixers and Hornets. Too combat this, the NHL made the 2005 a snake draft, which meant that the team that had the last pick in the first round had the first pick in the second round, and so on. Well, in a 7 round draft, this makes a lot more sense than the NBA’s two rounds. The fact is, NBA draft picks in the first round mean a lot more than in other sports.

 

Ultimately though, I would say that the draft will probably be in this sort of weighted lottery. I think the 5 teams listed with 3 lottery balls should indeed have the best chance at a first pick. But, here is what I think might help this out, and it may be a little complicated, but probably in the best interest of fairness. I would say that a team outside of the lottery could not move up more than 5 spots from the year before. In other words, everyone who did not make the play-offs last year would have a shot at pick #1.

 

However, if a team that made the play-offs in the previous year could only move up too 5 picks higher than their previous selection. For instance, if by some miraculous way Chicago, Miami or San Antonio won the draft lottery, the highest they could all move up too is 25, 24 or 23. I think this is fair, and would give some teams near the bottom of the play-off fray possibly move up slightly.

 

While the NHL did it until they had a team for all 30 picks, I would say only have it until all of the previous years lottery teams were extinguished. Than, have it in order from than on. I realize this may be a complex explanation, but I believe this is the fairest way for the lottery being held after the season. It has too be weighted in some way, and I believe that fringe play-off teams should at least have the opportunity to move up in the draft. This way would be complicated, as the NHL’s was in 2005, but I think it seems like the way to go. That being said, there is of course the ultimate hope that the season comes back so we do not have to deal with this mess!

 

I guess that this would have been too complicated of a suggestion, so it was left out. Nonetheless, in the NHL, EVERYONE was eligible for whatever pick, and as much as I know people are worried about the chaos of the Lakers and Heat getting top 5 picks, it would be highly unlikely this happened. Still, too fully prevent this, yet still give teams at least a chance too move up, as they may very well have been in a situation too during the regular season, I suggested that teams OUTSIDE OF LAST YEARS LOTTERY, be only able too move up 5 spots. So, the highest the Heat could pick would be #23, 5 spots up from 28. This would mean every subsequent team would just move down a spot, hence no one slipping too far.

This would give a team like Indiana, a team that could indeed have improved, but also could have slipped, as they were under .500 after all, has a chance too move up from 15. That is more of whom I was thinking about. They could even do separate lotteries for teams finishing certain positions, but this would be really complicated and probably also unfair. 

Yes, I agree that a team like the Heat, Lakers, Bulls or Spurs getting the first pick would more than likely be unfair. But, would the Timberwolves have finished with the worst record in the league again? Should they have a 25% chance of winning the lottery just based on a previous season? After getting the 2nd pick in the draft before? I mean, you can see why just straight up repeating the lottery would lead too a lot of uncertainty and possibly stack some teams who might have been in different positions for the 2012 draft.

All I can say is, it worked out pretty well in the NHL, and I think chaos theorists would probably be alright with everything. If Miami or the Lakers won the first pick in the draft, I am pretty sure David Stern would chuck the ball right back in there just so he would not have too take the avalanche of conspiracy theory claims that would come against him. I think the 5 teams I mentioned should indeed have the best chance, and the 9 other teams should have solid chances as well. But, if you are going too keep everything the same for the previous years play-off teams, I think it is unfair as well. So, if you want to decide the first 14 picks, than have a separate lottery for the other 16, odds are the last few play-off teams will not be too happy about that either, and it is not just due to the fact that they want the same pick as before. 

Having no season makes things incredibly difficult, but I think a weighted lottery, even with EVERY team having a chance, would probably not work out too badly. Bare in mind, if the Heat get a pick outside of the top 10, which would be likely, than they would give that too Cleveland. When the NHL did their lottery for every team in 1995, only two teams with one lottery ball picked in the top 10, and they were at 9 and 10. Everyone before that had either 2 or 3 lottery chances. In the history of the draft lottery, only two teams have won with less than a 2% chance of doing so. Considering there have been 27 lottery’s, I like them odds that a team with more lottery combinations would take down the top few picks. 

The lottery might be probably more complicated than the NHL’s 2005 version, as I mentioned, a first round pick is of greater value in basketball than in the other major sports, where more value is found in later rounds. I think giving the bottom teams a 2% chance might be too much, but I think they at the very least deserve a chance too move up. Is there really a huge difference between the needs of the 14th and 15th place teams? Not really, other than the fact they made the play-offs. But, Houston would get a better chance than Indiana, just because of the year before? Does not seem fair too me. So, believe me, this will be slightly complicated, but it will be more for getting teams that need it the ability too move up than too further stack the decks for teams that are already benefiting from first picks, killer moves and FA signings. But, one thing I do not want too see is the same lottery as last year. That would be effing bogus in my opinion.

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Not surprisingly, from a Warriors fan. My answer is, of course it would not be fair the Lakers or Miami too pick TOO high. Which was why, my original response included something more than was posted. Here it is:

 

1. If there is no NBA season, how will the draft order be determined?

 

This question is incredibly complicated, as it has never happened in NBA history. I think you rule out keeping the exact same order, sorry Cleveland fans. However, if there was a lottery, it could be the exact same teams as before who missed the play-offs that previous year. However, there is precedent of this happening in another league, and that could be something the NBA possibly adopts.

 

The NHL cancelled the 2004-05 season; they faced the same dilemma the NBA might face in accordance to the 2012 draft. The NHL decided that instead of making the picks the exact same as the year before, they had a weighted lottery for all 30 teams, rather than standard 14 teams that missed the play-offs.

 

The NHL gave 3 lottery balls to teams that had missed the play-offs and not won a first overall pick during the last 4 seasons. If the NBA were too use this same method, it would give these teams 3 lottery balls:

 

Minnesota Timberwolves, Sacramento Kings, Toronto Raptors, Golden State Warriors, New Jersey Nets

 

From there, the NHL got REALLY tricky. They supposedly only gave 2 lottery balls too teams that met ONE of the above 7 criteria (Missing the play-offs the past 3 seasons or not winning the first pick in the draft). The rest only had got one. I would say, give every team that had missed the play-offs the previous year one lottery combination. Than, give the rest of the teams’ one lottery ball.

 

Too mimic the NHL draft, they would than do this throughout 30 picks. If they used this method, it would mean the 5 teams that met all 7 criteria would have a 6.1% chance at the first pick. The other lottery teams would have a 4.1% chance, and the rest of the teams would have a 2% chance.

 

The major issue that might arise is of course that the Bulls, Spurs and Heat would have the same chances as the Pacers, Sixers and Hornets. Too combat this, the NHL made the 2005 a snake draft, which meant that the team that had the last pick in the first round had the first pick in the second round, and so on. Well, in a 7 round draft, this makes a lot more sense than the NBA’s two rounds. The fact is, NBA draft picks in the first round mean a lot more than in other sports.

 

Ultimately though, I would say that the draft will probably be in this sort of weighted lottery. I think the 5 teams listed with 3 lottery balls should indeed have the best chance at a first pick. But, here is what I think might help this out, and it may be a little complicated, but probably in the best interest of fairness. I would say that a team outside of the lottery could not move up more than 5 spots from the year before. In other words, everyone who did not make the play-offs last year would have a shot at pick #1.

 

However, if a team that made the play-offs in the previous year could only move up too 5 picks higher than their previous selection. For instance, if by some miraculous way Chicago, Miami or San Antonio won the draft lottery, the highest they could all move up too is 25, 24 or 23. I think this is fair, and would give some teams near the bottom of the play-off fray possibly move up slightly.

 

While the NHL did it until they had a team for all 30 picks, I would say only have it until all of the previous years lottery teams were extinguished. Than, have it in order from than on. I realize this may be a complex explanation, but I believe this is the fairest way for the lottery being held after the season. It has too be weighted in some way, and I believe that fringe play-off teams should at least have the opportunity to move up in the draft. This way would be complicated, as the NHL’s was in 2005, but I think it seems like the way to go. That being said, there is of course the ultimate hope that the season comes back so we do not have to deal with this mess!

 

I guess that this would have been too complicated of a suggestion, so it was left out. Nonetheless, in the NHL, EVERYONE was eligible for whatever pick, and as much as I know people are worried about the chaos of the Lakers and Heat getting top 5 picks, it would be highly unlikely this happened. Still, too fully prevent this, yet still give teams at least a chance too move up, as they may very well have been in a situation too during the regular season, I suggested that teams OUTSIDE OF LAST YEARS LOTTERY, be only able too move up 5 spots. So, the highest the Heat could pick would be #23, 5 spots up from 28. This would mean every subsequent team would just move down a spot, hence no one slipping too far.

This would give a team like Indiana, a team that could indeed have improved, but also could have slipped, as they were under .500 after all, has a chance too move up from 15. That is more of whom I was thinking about. They could even do separate lotteries for teams finishing certain positions, but this would be really complicated and probably also unfair. 

Yes, I agree that a team like the Heat, Lakers, Bulls or Spurs getting the first pick would more than likely be unfair. But, would the Timberwolves have finished with the worst record in the league again? Should they have a 25% chance of winning the lottery just based on a previous season? After getting the 2nd pick in the draft before? I mean, you can see why just straight up repeating the lottery would lead too a lot of uncertainty and possibly stack some teams who might have been in different positions for the 2012 draft.

All I can say is, it worked out pretty well in the NHL, and I think chaos theorists would probably be alright with everything. If Miami or the Lakers won the first pick in the draft, I am pretty sure David Stern would chuck the ball right back in there just so he would not have too take the avalanche of conspiracy theory claims that would come against him. I think the 5 teams I mentioned should indeed have the best chance, and the 9 other teams should have solid chances as well. But, if you are going too keep everything the same for the previous years play-off teams, I think it is unfair as well. So, if you want to decide the first 14 picks, than have a separate lottery for the other 16, odds are the last few play-off teams will not be too happy about that either, and it is not just due to the fact that they want the same pick as before. 

Having no season makes things incredibly difficult, but I think a weighted lottery, even with EVERY team having a chance, would probably not work out too badly. Bare in mind, if the Heat get a pick outside of the top 10, which would be likely, than they would give that too Cleveland. When the NHL did their lottery for every team in 1995, only two teams with one lottery ball picked in the top 10, and they were at 9 and 10. Everyone before that had either 2 or 3 lottery chances. In the history of the draft lottery, only two teams have won with less than a 2% chance of doing so. Considering there have been 27 lottery’s, I like them odds that a team with more lottery combinations would take down the top few picks. 

The lottery might be probably more complicated than the NHL’s 2005 version, as I mentioned, a first round pick is of greater value in basketball than in the other major sports, where more value is found in later rounds. I think giving the bottom teams a 2% chance might be too much, but I think they at the very least deserve a chance too move up. Is there really a huge difference between the needs of the 14th and 15th place teams? Not really, other than the fact they made the play-offs. But, Houston would get a better chance than Indiana, just because of the year before? Does not seem fair too me. So, believe me, this will be slightly complicated, but it will be more for getting teams that need it the ability too move up than too further stack the decks for teams that are already benefiting from first picks, killer moves and FA signings. But, one thing I do not want too see is the same lottery as last year. That would be effing bogus in my opinion.

 

[cward23Participant]

should be interesting and this topic was brought up on a couple of other sites. it wouldn’t be fair to just redo the lotto with the same teams as this year. What one NBA beat writer said what’s being discussed is putting a lotto for the first round with all the teams who have first round picks in it but giving the pass playoff teams less balls then the lotto teams from this year. I asked (it was on ESPN chat) if they were just gonna redo the lotto from this years team like i thought they were gonna do if the lockout lasted all season and he said no he hasn’t heard that being a possibility but he doesn’t know for sure

[cward23Participant]

should be interesting and this topic was brought up on a couple of other sites. it wouldn’t be fair to just redo the lotto with the same teams as this year. What one NBA beat writer said what’s being discussed is putting a lotto for the first round with all the teams who have first round picks in it but giving the pass playoff teams less balls then the lotto teams from this year. I asked (it was on ESPN chat) if they were just gonna redo the lotto from this years team like i thought they were gonna do if the lockout lasted all season and he said no he hasn’t heard that being a possibility but he doesn’t know for sure

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Hate to be a dick but…

Bubblebutt, you didn’t happen to pull this idea straight out your ass did you?

[M-DYMESParticipant]

Hate to be a dick but…

Bubblebutt, you didn’t happen to pull this idea straight out your ass did you?

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 Could not have said it much better than you just did. 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

 Could not have said it much better than you just did. 

[aamir543Participant]

First off, why is every one asking or thinking of ideas for the same thing,(what should or will the draft order be next season in the event of a lockout). Why do we care so much! Doesn’t Stern decide it every year?

This is what Stern probably said when he peeks into the room every year:

1985- (Talking to the guy who threw the envelpes in the sphere)

Stern- OK, so trow the New York envelope 4th, and….here give me the envelope, Ill bend the corner just to make sure.

Guy who throws the envelopes in- Ill even throw it so it hits the rod inside.

Stern-Good idea

2003- Send that spoiled brat back to his boring hometown. Make him spend 7 more years in that hopeless  dump.

2006- (Bryan Colangelo calls David Stern)

Colangelo- Hey, that Italian kid seems good, I LOVE foreign guys. Please give him to me! Please! Please!

Stern- Dude relax, the way I have it right now, you will end up with the 3rd, so you’ll get him.

Colangelo-NO!!!!! I want a garentee! I want the number 1. Please!

Stern-Ok Ok, it wont change much, but you have to promise me one thing.

Colangelo- Anything!!!!!!

Stern- That kid you got, Bosh, hes waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overated, he gets all the touches and his number are inflated, I want him out in four years, tops.

Colangelo- Already working on it, he’ll the unhappiest overated superstar you’ll ever know!

Stern- Good bitch.

2009 (Donald and David taking on the phone)

Stern- So Donald, how you doing you, taking your meds?

Donald- Whaaaaaaat!! Am I being chased by the feds!

Stern- Easy Donald, easy.

Donald-David, I have ruined many things over my time-

Stern- -Tell me about it-

Donald- What you say?

Stern- Nothing, continue.

Donald- Well, you know I want to make a difference, I want people to come into the arena without thinking of themselves as hostages-

Stern- -Let me guess, you want Griffin

Donald- Yes.

Stern- Ugggh! You’re the 18th one, even Lebron tried to get me to send him to Miami, in case they miss the playoffs.

Donald- Wait, why would Lebron want Griffin in Miami?

Stern- You’ll find soon enough, forget about that, umm well its between you and the soon to be new guy.(Kahn) And that guy is even creepier than you, so yeah, you got it.

Donald- Thanks David, you won’t refret it, I promise!

Stern- (Scough, then mutters,) I doubt it.

 

[aamir543Participant]

First off, why is every one asking or thinking of ideas for the same thing,(what should or will the draft order be next season in the event of a lockout). Why do we care so much! Doesn’t Stern decide it every year?

This is what Stern probably said when he peeks into the room every year:

1985- (Talking to the guy who threw the envelpes in the sphere)

Stern- OK, so trow the New York envelope 4th, and….here give me the envelope, Ill bend the corner just to make sure.

Guy who throws the envelopes in- Ill even throw it so it hits the rod inside.

Stern-Good idea

2003- Send that spoiled brat back to his boring hometown. Make him spend 7 more years in that hopeless  dump.

2006- (Bryan Colangelo calls David Stern)

Colangelo- Hey, that Italian kid seems good, I LOVE foreign guys. Please give him to me! Please! Please!

Stern- Dude relax, the way I have it right now, you will end up with the 3rd, so you’ll get him.

Colangelo-NO!!!!! I want a garentee! I want the number 1. Please!

Stern-Ok Ok, it wont change much, but you have to promise me one thing.

Colangelo- Anything!!!!!!

Stern- That kid you got, Bosh, hes waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overated, he gets all the touches and his number are inflated, I want him out in four years, tops.

Colangelo- Already working on it, he’ll the unhappiest overated superstar you’ll ever know!

Stern- Good bitch.

2009 (Donald and David taking on the phone)

Stern- So Donald, how you doing you, taking your meds?

Donald- Whaaaaaaat!! Am I being chased by the feds!

Stern- Easy Donald, easy.

Donald-David, I have ruined many things over my time-

Stern- -Tell me about it-

Donald- What you say?

Stern- Nothing, continue.

Donald- Well, you know I want to make a difference, I want people to come into the arena without thinking of themselves as hostages-

Stern- -Let me guess, you want Griffin

Donald- Yes.

Stern- Ugggh! You’re the 18th one, even Lebron tried to get me to send him to Miami, in case they miss the playoffs.

Donald- Wait, why would Lebron want Griffin in Miami?

Stern- You’ll find soon enough, forget about that, umm well its between you and the soon to be new guy.(Kahn) And that guy is even creepier than you, so yeah, you got it.

Donald- Thanks David, you won’t refret it, I promise!

Stern- (Scough, then mutters,) I doubt it.

 

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