[vulture711Participant]

 Philadelphia.  If Emiid is their target lower any other alternate trade with a Utah or Magic gets killed with the Sixers taking Embiid 3rd.  If they took Parker and hoped Philly didn’t take Embiid, and they did (and they are) – you probably guaranteed Lebron isn’t coming to town.

I think their only option is taking wiggins and working a swap with Philly or

and this would be very Hinkie – the Sixers agree to Not take Embiid in exchange for substantial compensation – a future 1st or something enticing

You can’t work around Sam the Man without the Sixers involved – even at 3rd he holds a lot of cards

 

[xJumpManxParticipant]

Thats the only way they trade goes down. But no trade will occur until 3 + 10 are on the table.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

Thats the only way they trade goes down. But no trade will occur until 3 + 10 are on the table.

[vulture711Participant]

 I don’t mind 3 & 10 because between Thad Young and taking back a few contracts, I think Hinkie could pick up 2 more picks in the teens.  We are one of the few teams who can facilitate either trades or teams looking to clear space and for it we would collect picks

[vulture711Participant]

 I don’t mind 3 & 10 because between Thad Young and taking back a few contracts, I think Hinkie could pick up 2 more picks in the teens.  We are one of the few teams who can facilitate either trades or teams looking to clear space and for it we would collect picks

[xJumpManxParticipant]

I doubt the Cavs trade #1 to be honest. Getting a plyer with potential at the rookie scale and then adding more thru FA with allt eh cap room they haver makes mroe sense. It ownt be the Utah or Orlando offer but if Orlando wants to give them #4 and Olidipo it could happen.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

I doubt the Cavs trade #1 to be honest. Getting a plyer with potential at the rookie scale and then adding more thru FA with allt eh cap room they haver makes mroe sense. It ownt be the Utah or Orlando offer but if Orlando wants to give them #4 and Olidipo it could happen.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

I think they would rather trade with the magic and get afflalo, 4, and 12 than trade with the sixers. Gives them way more options. 

[BallinmvpParticipant]

I think they would rather trade with the magic and get afflalo, 4, and 12 than trade with the sixers. Gives them way more options. 

[vulture711Participant]

 Then you must want exum @ 4 with Philly taking Embiid 3rd

[vulture711Participant]

 Then you must want exum @ 4 with Philly taking Embiid 3rd

[BA30Participant]

There is no guarantee that Philly will take Embiid or that the Cavs even want to risk taking him in the top 5.

[BA30Participant]

There is no guarantee that Philly will take Embiid or that the Cavs even want to risk taking him in the top 5.

[tidhoParticipant]

The Cavaliers aren’t trading down to draft players.  They are exploring trade downs for assets they can bundle for star veterans.

[tidhoParticipant]

The Cavaliers aren’t trading down to draft players.  They are exploring trade downs for assets they can bundle for star veterans.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

Also the cavs trade rumors are more about Thompson and Waiters not the #1 pick

[xJumpManxParticipant]

Also the cavs trade rumors are more about Thompson and Waiters not the #1 pick

[BA30Participant]

Almost all the trades have been about the #1 pick and not Waiters or Thompson. Waiters has been mentioned, but Thompson is nowhere to be found. Not sure how you are making that assumption.

[BA30Participant]

Almost all the trades have been about the #1 pick and not Waiters or Thompson. Waiters has been mentioned, but Thompson is nowhere to be found. Not sure how you are making that assumption.

[burningfloodParticipant]

I don’t get vulture’s logic at all. The Cavs hold all the cards – they can draft Wiggins or Parker and call it a night. They don’t need Embiid so much as to go crawling to the Sixers to beg them not to take him. In fact, since they want to win now, as evidenced by the moves they made earlier this year, they’re not going to necessarily even want a prospect with potentially serious medical red flags, who will miss a large chunk of this year.

It’s like this – if push comes to shove, the worst case scenario for the Cavs on draft night is that the Cavs will take Wiggins or Parker. The Sixers will take Embiid. The Cavs will possibly think about trading with the Sixers to get Embiid, but if they don’t like the package offered, they keep Wiggins or Parker. They’re happy with one of two great prospects. The Jazz/Magic might not be happy with the rest of the talent available, but they’re the only ones getting screwed (unless Embiid turns out to be Greg Oden). So, oddly enough, the only teams the Sixers will be screwing are the ones that they were already potentially screwing – the teams drafting below them.

If “Sam the man” gets Cleveland to part with “substantial compensation” for an assurance that he won’t draft Embiid, that’s less because Hinkie is “Sam the man” and more because Cleveland is owned by Dan Gilbert.

[burningfloodParticipant]

I don’t get vulture’s logic at all. The Cavs hold all the cards – they can draft Wiggins or Parker and call it a night. They don’t need Embiid so much as to go crawling to the Sixers to beg them not to take him. In fact, since they want to win now, as evidenced by the moves they made earlier this year, they’re not going to necessarily even want a prospect with potentially serious medical red flags, who will miss a large chunk of this year.

It’s like this – if push comes to shove, the worst case scenario for the Cavs on draft night is that the Cavs will take Wiggins or Parker. The Sixers will take Embiid. The Cavs will possibly think about trading with the Sixers to get Embiid, but if they don’t like the package offered, they keep Wiggins or Parker. They’re happy with one of two great prospects. The Jazz/Magic might not be happy with the rest of the talent available, but they’re the only ones getting screwed (unless Embiid turns out to be Greg Oden). So, oddly enough, the only teams the Sixers will be screwing are the ones that they were already potentially screwing – the teams drafting below them.

If “Sam the man” gets Cleveland to part with “substantial compensation” for an assurance that he won’t draft Embiid, that’s less because Hinkie is “Sam the man” and more because Cleveland is owned by Dan Gilbert.

[burgessfourParticipant]

awesome to see how this plays out tonight. The Sixers hold a lot of cards, but the Cavs have most of the cards. If the Cavs top priority is making the playoffs next year, they do a deal with Philly or Orlando but they don’t draft Embiid or Exum, they probably take Randle, IMO he will contribute the most from this draft class outside of Parker. Add Randle and Thad/Affalo to the Cavs and they should make the playoffs. They could also trade down a spot or two from 3/4 and still get Randle. 

[burgessfourParticipant]

awesome to see how this plays out tonight. The Sixers hold a lot of cards, but the Cavs have most of the cards. If the Cavs top priority is making the playoffs next year, they do a deal with Philly or Orlando but they don’t draft Embiid or Exum, they probably take Randle, IMO he will contribute the most from this draft class outside of Parker. Add Randle and Thad/Affalo to the Cavs and they should make the playoffs. They could also trade down a spot or two from 3/4 and still get Randle. 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

Why would Philly take Embiid. They just took Noel last year and had to wait the entire year before they could even see him play. They still haven’t seen him play. They tanked this year to get Wiggins. It didn’t work, do you really think Hinkie will tank again select Embiid and then hope that Jahlil Okafor falls into their laps. I don’t think so. I think Hinkie will not risk tanking again. Hinkie seems to be a fast learner. Tanking doesn’t work. I am not a Sixers fan but if I were, I would not want to see them tanking two years in a row just to land the top talent. What if that doesn’t work? It didn’t work this year, it probably won’t work next year either.

Besides in the future do you really think the combo of Embiid and Noel will work? Of course it won’t both of those players are bangers and bruisers inside. Today’s game is played with one banger or bruiser to defend the rim and the other forward is either a pick and pop 4 or a stretch 4. Hinkie should know this by now, and therefore not select Embiid. Yeah he may want to build a twin towers down low, but there is a better way to do that in this draft. There are two reasons why the Twin Tower combo worked for the Spurs of late 90’s and early 2000’s. One the game was different back then. Stretch 4’s didn’t really exist and Pick and Pop 4’s was just starting to come into existence. (Malone, Webber and Duncan, are the only pick and pop 4’s I can think of that were around back then) Most teams had one big banger and bruiser and another smaller banger and bruiser. The Spurs had two bangers and bruisers that were both 7ft tall. And one one of them could not only defend the rim but also step back and make the pull up jumper (Duncan) Teams had a hard time defending that. Nowadays the Pick and Pop 4 has come more into play and also a new 4 has emerged in place of the smaller banger and bruiser, The stretch four or as some teams like to call it the Finesse Four. Two big bangers and bruisers won’t work because teams will easily use their pick and pop 4 or stretch 4 to just step back and hit pull up jumpers and 3’s instead of going down low and try to make shots amongst the trees of Embiid and Noel. 

Like I said before there is a better way to have a team with Twin Towers in this draft. Noel is a banger and bruiser, so the Sixers would be wise to get a pick and pop or stretch 4 alongside him. There are 2 in this draft and one of them is 6’10 (6’8’5 in socks but 6’10 in shoes). He also has long arms creating a huge wingspan which he uses to his advantage by blocking shots. So he can still bang down low and protect the rim but he can also step back and hit the pull up jumper or even the 3. He’s young (only 18 years old and I think the second youngest player in the draft ) so he could still be growing. He could reach 6’11 or 7 feet by the time he’s done growing! And that would be Noah Vonleh. He’s not hurt or injured so Hinkie and the Sixers can see how well the combo of Noel and Vonleh would work down low right away. It should work pretty well I think. 

As a fan of the game, I hate seeing teams tank just to land the best prospect. Even if they suck, and are trying to build a team that will help them win in the future, I’d rather see them develop those young players and try to still win games. Tanking is not healthy for young players. All that losing will get on young players and really lower their confidence which is an increasingly important thing in developing young players. I can stand tanking for one year but that’s it. I’d much rather see them tank one year to get that star player, then the next few years develop your young players, select more young players that fit the style of team you are trying to build and then continue to develop them until they have hit their primes and thus you make the playoffs and start contending. If you do it right (and lots of teams don’t), then you will not end up in basketball purgatory. You might end up there one year, but it’s only the first year of your complete team winning games to make the playoffs as a low seed or come very close, but then learning a lot from those painful losses, improving over the offseason and coming back with a vengeance that gets them into a middle seed of the playoffs (3-6) or a top 1-2 seed. Look at the Thunder, they grew very fast and weren’t in basketball purgatory for long. They tanked one year to get Durant. Then developed him and Jeff Green, still couldn’t win a lot of games, but at least they tried. They were able to get Westbrook after that. They developed him along with Durant and Green. They still didn’t win alot of games, but again they tried and ended up getting Harden. Then all of sudden they made the playoffs the following year. They were a low seed, but you could see promise. And now look at them they are a contending team that is still pretty young, and because of that will be contending for years to come and probably win a championship in I think 2 years. Hinkie would be wise to follow the Thunder’s path to contention. Tank one year, get your star, and then the next few years develop your team, select players that fit the system you are trying to build, and then instill confidence in your young players. If Hinkie follows this path I expect the Sixers to make the playoffs as a low seed by 2017. That year they will be a low seed but I see them looking promising, if they build correctly, which I expect Hinkie to do. Then in the 2018 playoffs they are a top seed and are now contending for a championship. In the coming years they continue to do so because MCW, Noel, hopefully Vonleh and Stauskas will be just hitting their primes. Then the player(s) they select in 2015 and 2016 will just be coming into their primes, and hopefully will fit well with their nucleus. 

I think the Sixers would be much better off if they select Vonleh this year instead of Embiid or Exum. Yes, they tanked to get Wiggins, but in the end this draft is so deep, that even if they don’t land Wiggins they can still get their star player. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

Why would Philly take Embiid. They just took Noel last year and had to wait the entire year before they could even see him play. They still haven’t seen him play. They tanked this year to get Wiggins. It didn’t work, do you really think Hinkie will tank again select Embiid and then hope that Jahlil Okafor falls into their laps. I don’t think so. I think Hinkie will not risk tanking again. Hinkie seems to be a fast learner. Tanking doesn’t work. I am not a Sixers fan but if I were, I would not want to see them tanking two years in a row just to land the top talent. What if that doesn’t work? It didn’t work this year, it probably won’t work next year either.

Besides in the future do you really think the combo of Embiid and Noel will work? Of course it won’t both of those players are bangers and bruisers inside. Today’s game is played with one banger or bruiser to defend the rim and the other forward is either a pick and pop 4 or a stretch 4. Hinkie should know this by now, and therefore not select Embiid. Yeah he may want to build a twin towers down low, but there is a better way to do that in this draft. There are two reasons why the Twin Tower combo worked for the Spurs of late 90’s and early 2000’s. One the game was different back then. Stretch 4’s didn’t really exist and Pick and Pop 4’s was just starting to come into existence. (Malone, Webber and Duncan, are the only pick and pop 4’s I can think of that were around back then) Most teams had one big banger and bruiser and another smaller banger and bruiser. The Spurs had two bangers and bruisers that were both 7ft tall. And one one of them could not only defend the rim but also step back and make the pull up jumper (Duncan) Teams had a hard time defending that. Nowadays the Pick and Pop 4 has come more into play and also a new 4 has emerged in place of the smaller banger and bruiser, The stretch four or as some teams like to call it the Finesse Four. Two big bangers and bruisers won’t work because teams will easily use their pick and pop 4 or stretch 4 to just step back and hit pull up jumpers and 3’s instead of going down low and try to make shots amongst the trees of Embiid and Noel. 

Like I said before there is a better way to have a team with Twin Towers in this draft. Noel is a banger and bruiser, so the Sixers would be wise to get a pick and pop or stretch 4 alongside him. There are 2 in this draft and one of them is 6’10 (6’8’5 in socks but 6’10 in shoes). He also has long arms creating a huge wingspan which he uses to his advantage by blocking shots. So he can still bang down low and protect the rim but he can also step back and hit the pull up jumper or even the 3. He’s young (only 18 years old and I think the second youngest player in the draft ) so he could still be growing. He could reach 6’11 or 7 feet by the time he’s done growing! And that would be Noah Vonleh. He’s not hurt or injured so Hinkie and the Sixers can see how well the combo of Noel and Vonleh would work down low right away. It should work pretty well I think. 

As a fan of the game, I hate seeing teams tank just to land the best prospect. Even if they suck, and are trying to build a team that will help them win in the future, I’d rather see them develop those young players and try to still win games. Tanking is not healthy for young players. All that losing will get on young players and really lower their confidence which is an increasingly important thing in developing young players. I can stand tanking for one year but that’s it. I’d much rather see them tank one year to get that star player, then the next few years develop your young players, select more young players that fit the style of team you are trying to build and then continue to develop them until they have hit their primes and thus you make the playoffs and start contending. If you do it right (and lots of teams don’t), then you will not end up in basketball purgatory. You might end up there one year, but it’s only the first year of your complete team winning games to make the playoffs as a low seed or come very close, but then learning a lot from those painful losses, improving over the offseason and coming back with a vengeance that gets them into a middle seed of the playoffs (3-6) or a top 1-2 seed. Look at the Thunder, they grew very fast and weren’t in basketball purgatory for long. They tanked one year to get Durant. Then developed him and Jeff Green, still couldn’t win a lot of games, but at least they tried. They were able to get Westbrook after that. They developed him along with Durant and Green. They still didn’t win alot of games, but again they tried and ended up getting Harden. Then all of sudden they made the playoffs the following year. They were a low seed, but you could see promise. And now look at them they are a contending team that is still pretty young, and because of that will be contending for years to come and probably win a championship in I think 2 years. Hinkie would be wise to follow the Thunder’s path to contention. Tank one year, get your star, and then the next few years develop your team, select players that fit the system you are trying to build, and then instill confidence in your young players. If Hinkie follows this path I expect the Sixers to make the playoffs as a low seed by 2017. That year they will be a low seed but I see them looking promising, if they build correctly, which I expect Hinkie to do. Then in the 2018 playoffs they are a top seed and are now contending for a championship. In the coming years they continue to do so because MCW, Noel, hopefully Vonleh and Stauskas will be just hitting their primes. Then the player(s) they select in 2015 and 2016 will just be coming into their primes, and hopefully will fit well with their nucleus. 

I think the Sixers would be much better off if they select Vonleh this year instead of Embiid or Exum. Yes, they tanked to get Wiggins, but in the end this draft is so deep, that even if they don’t land Wiggins they can still get their star player. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Neggedpastor]

im a Memphis and laker fan I know bigs get the job done if you have a superior front court and back court you are a contender

If embiid slips to 10 you take him if parker or wiggins are at 3 still you take them if you can trade 3 and 10 you do it im 100 percent behind it now.

sixers make and break this draft not the cavs their select or trade but we know either wiggins or paker goes one.

the sixers can alter the first round completely with trades and whoever the decide to take.

I think noel and joel can coexist it wont be pretty but we have time on our sides. its kind of stupid but it maybe be a match made in heaven lol NOEL&JOEL
but seriously both have improved their shots and continue to everybody says this is a stretch 4 league well the sixers could change that with both center and pf having jump shots and top blocking ability how many front lines have that ? that would be so unique and beneficial and could be a nice foundation to catapult them in the future. We are still looking for a star we have 2 or more drafts to find that one or 2 star players because mcw doesn’t have superstar written on him.

we have time so I would move the tenth pick up to select 6,7,or 8 &get embiid and trade down with the 3rd pick to mid lotto 6,7,8 and get a player I could have got at 3 plus more assets.

then you have thad , caproom, and 5 second rounders to still maneuver if the top two are gone whats the difference between 3-8 in this draft you will get somebody that’s was projected to go top 5 at one point so its a win win in a losing situation to begin with. the dam cavs came out of nowhere and won the lotto messing everything up.

[Neggedpastor]

im a Memphis and laker fan I know bigs get the job done if you have a superior front court and back court you are a contender

If embiid slips to 10 you take him if parker or wiggins are at 3 still you take them if you can trade 3 and 10 you do it im 100 percent behind it now.

sixers make and break this draft not the cavs their select or trade but we know either wiggins or paker goes one.

the sixers can alter the first round completely with trades and whoever the decide to take.

I think noel and joel can coexist it wont be pretty but we have time on our sides. its kind of stupid but it maybe be a match made in heaven lol NOEL&JOEL
but seriously both have improved their shots and continue to everybody says this is a stretch 4 league well the sixers could change that with both center and pf having jump shots and top blocking ability how many front lines have that ? that would be so unique and beneficial and could be a nice foundation to catapult them in the future. We are still looking for a star we have 2 or more drafts to find that one or 2 star players because mcw doesn’t have superstar written on him.

we have time so I would move the tenth pick up to select 6,7,or 8 &get embiid and trade down with the 3rd pick to mid lotto 6,7,8 and get a player I could have got at 3 plus more assets.

then you have thad , caproom, and 5 second rounders to still maneuver if the top two are gone whats the difference between 3-8 in this draft you will get somebody that’s was projected to go top 5 at one point so its a win win in a losing situation to begin with. the dam cavs came out of nowhere and won the lotto messing everything up.

[bkb77Participant]

I think it will take more than 3 & 10 and I’m not sure if that’s too rich even for Hinkie.

After the Cavs rejected 4,12,Afflalo that means they really dont want to move down and they know who they want. And moving out of that Top 3 was too much of a risk for them.

Now I still am looking back before the Embiid Injury it was reported he was their Guy and he would have been the #1 pick, but after they found the Foot Problem along with the back problem they determined It’s too risky to take him at 1.
But it doesn’t mean that they aren’t still fans of his and I believe Philly has indicated they will take him at 3, So if the Cavs would move back it would only be for “The Top 3 Guys”.

So now what will it cost? I believe 3 & 10 HAVE to be in it to start and on top of that I’m sure they want more not sure if thats Thad; 32; 32&39 or a Combo of 1 of those two. I think that is a Lot to give up for 1 guy and to move up just 2 spots. But we will wait and see if Hinkie is willing to pull the trigger to get his guy.

[bkb77Participant]

I think it will take more than 3 & 10 and I’m not sure if that’s too rich even for Hinkie.

After the Cavs rejected 4,12,Afflalo that means they really dont want to move down and they know who they want. And moving out of that Top 3 was too much of a risk for them.

Now I still am looking back before the Embiid Injury it was reported he was their Guy and he would have been the #1 pick, but after they found the Foot Problem along with the back problem they determined It’s too risky to take him at 1.
But it doesn’t mean that they aren’t still fans of his and I believe Philly has indicated they will take him at 3, So if the Cavs would move back it would only be for “The Top 3 Guys”.

So now what will it cost? I believe 3 & 10 HAVE to be in it to start and on top of that I’m sure they want more not sure if thats Thad; 32; 32&39 or a Combo of 1 of those two. I think that is a Lot to give up for 1 guy and to move up just 2 spots. But we will wait and see if Hinkie is willing to pull the trigger to get his guy.

[RegularManParticipant]

What we know is that at one point in time, the Cavs planned on picking Embiid at 1 overall. So we know if nothing else, how he performed in that workout warrented the number one selection. I don’t think it’s lost upon them that they covet him….just not for the first pick, however, dropping below the 3rd pick ensures that the didn’t get him. Call it Sixer optimism or whatever, but a piece of me thinks Cleveland was posturing to milk the 3rd pick. The know at 4 and below, they lose out, hence the Magic’s offer not being good enough. Same with Utah. Cleveland seems to have played their hand too early should reports be accurate about moving pieces from the Magic and Jazz. Philly accually may be their only trade option to get "extra" and their desired pick.

[RegularManParticipant]

What we know is that at one point in time, the Cavs planned on picking Embiid at 1 overall. So we know if nothing else, how he performed in that workout warrented the number one selection. I don’t think it’s lost upon them that they covet him….just not for the first pick, however, dropping below the 3rd pick ensures that the didn’t get him. Call it Sixer optimism or whatever, but a piece of me thinks Cleveland was posturing to milk the 3rd pick. The know at 4 and below, they lose out, hence the Magic’s offer not being good enough. Same with Utah. Cleveland seems to have played their hand too early should reports be accurate about moving pieces from the Magic and Jazz. Philly accually may be their only trade option to get "extra" and their desired pick.

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