[jaycee24Participant]

I want Detroit to get rid of Josh Smith in the worst way so I’ve been on the trade machine for the last 2 months making something that legit works

Toronto: trades John Salmons Amir Johnson

Detroit: trades Josh Smith

Toronto gets a bit of toughness and a cog to play the 4 and spot minutes at SF. They also lose the ineffective Salmons and for the sake of sacrificing minutes for Smith trade Amir Johnson. I would have included Pat Patterson but I figured his expiring would be too valuable to lose in hopes to re-sign Lowry. You could replace Johnson for Fields but that would mean they’d have a 3 PF rotation with Smith Johnson and Patterson.

Detroit is literally giving away Smith but considering the position they’re in I think losing his contract would be a win. They might have to even throw in their 2nd rounder to sweeten the deal but in reality their string of acquiring prospective contributors through the draft is mostly over (unless they’re in the top 8 this year) so I don’t mind the idea of that.

Now in reality Joe Dumars would never do this because this would basically spell out how incompetent he’s been. Would Toronto be interested and would it help their cause? Appreciate all responses

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Masai Ujiri knows better than to make that deal

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Masai Ujiri knows better than to make that deal

[HitsterParticipant]

 I agree with Chilbert that the Raptors would not particularly want Smith given his big salary and their desire for cap space.

The Bobcats haven’t really got their PF position sorted so could be interested in Smith but would they want to take his contract on and perhaps hope that either Biyombo or Zeller will challenge McRoberts for the starting gig alongisde Al Jefferson. If the Bobcats would take on Smith’s salary then offer up Gordon’s expiring deal to see if Dumars would bite a lowball offer. But realistically I don’t see it happening.

With Asik going onto that big salary next season then there is a natural swap in the summer to get Smith on the same line up as D12 as was often muted and it is to the other Conference which I always like with trades personally.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I agree with Chilbert that the Raptors would not particularly want Smith given his big salary and their desire for cap space.

The Bobcats haven’t really got their PF position sorted so could be interested in Smith but would they want to take his contract on and perhaps hope that either Biyombo or Zeller will challenge McRoberts for the starting gig alongisde Al Jefferson. If the Bobcats would take on Smith’s salary then offer up Gordon’s expiring deal to see if Dumars would bite a lowball offer. But realistically I don’t see it happening.

With Asik going onto that big salary next season then there is a natural swap in the summer to get Smith on the same line up as D12 as was often muted and it is to the other Conference which I always like with trades personally.

 

[jwall1Participant]

It would be a great move for Detroit, but not so much for Toronto. No way Ujiri would screw up their chemistry by adding smith, who in my opinion would make them worse…

[jwall1Participant]

It would be a great move for Detroit, but not so much for Toronto. No way Ujiri would screw up their chemistry by adding smith, who in my opinion would make them worse…

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 style contract but its a top 15 bad deal in the league now where flexibility is key. I think new Orleans would swap him for Eric Gordon but I think that deal would have New Orleans winning. There is no one that Detroit can rade with that will make their team better in a Josh Smith deal. 

If Detroit wants to make the playoffs then the trade is 

Affalo, Harkless, Harris and picks (or Nicholson preferably)

for Monroe and some combination of Charlie V or Stuckey paired with Jerebko

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mny5fzo 

It would be hard for the Magic to give Harris and Harkless but Monroe is going to make at least 4 All Star games in his career. Nobody else in the deal is a bet to make any. Maybe one of Harkless or Harris stays and Affalo, Nicholson and one of the two makes the deal work. 

Pistons get:

Affalo: A good player slightly above average offenseively and defensively. PER 17 and a plus defender

Harkless: A promising young wing to play the 3. He could become as good as Kawhi Leonard is now if he improves. He has struggled this year and a great piece to by low on. The D needs a three terribly. 

Harris: Another buy low guy that has struggled this year but some of that is injury and some is Oladipo is just learning to play point guard. 

Nicholson or a protected pick(s): Good young prospects

Orlando gets

Monroe: A big player that will eventually get 3 point range. Allows Orlando to have a solid starter at the 4 in Monroe and 5 in Vucevic. Front court is set for next 4 years at least. Another starter in Oladipo and they are a solid wing away. 

Jerebko: Dead weight, but its funny cause I really like him and he plays hard and is in shape. 4.5 million next year is robbery though

Charlie V or Stucky: They don’t need another PF but Detroit would probably prefer to keep Stuckey (Stuckey at least has a chance of resigning, Charlie V doesn’t ahev a chance). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 style contract but its a top 15 bad deal in the league now where flexibility is key. I think new Orleans would swap him for Eric Gordon but I think that deal would have New Orleans winning. There is no one that Detroit can rade with that will make their team better in a Josh Smith deal. 

If Detroit wants to make the playoffs then the trade is 

Affalo, Harkless, Harris and picks (or Nicholson preferably)

for Monroe and some combination of Charlie V or Stuckey paired with Jerebko

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mny5fzo 

It would be hard for the Magic to give Harris and Harkless but Monroe is going to make at least 4 All Star games in his career. Nobody else in the deal is a bet to make any. Maybe one of Harkless or Harris stays and Affalo, Nicholson and one of the two makes the deal work. 

Pistons get:

Affalo: A good player slightly above average offenseively and defensively. PER 17 and a plus defender

Harkless: A promising young wing to play the 3. He could become as good as Kawhi Leonard is now if he improves. He has struggled this year and a great piece to by low on. The D needs a three terribly. 

Harris: Another buy low guy that has struggled this year but some of that is injury and some is Oladipo is just learning to play point guard. 

Nicholson or a protected pick(s): Good young prospects

Orlando gets

Monroe: A big player that will eventually get 3 point range. Allows Orlando to have a solid starter at the 4 in Monroe and 5 in Vucevic. Front court is set for next 4 years at least. Another starter in Oladipo and they are a solid wing away. 

Jerebko: Dead weight, but its funny cause I really like him and he plays hard and is in shape. 4.5 million next year is robbery though

Charlie V or Stucky: They don’t need another PF but Detroit would probably prefer to keep Stuckey (Stuckey at least has a chance of resigning, Charlie V doesn’t ahev a chance). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jaycee24Participant]

See I’m not completely sure Josh wouldn’t be able to fit in there but you guys are probably right. And honestly if we could get BG for Smith I’d take that any day of the week.

Think about this if that were to happen….DET traded Gordon and a 1st for Maggette to get out of Bens contract and pick up some cap space. So here we are one year later talking about hypothetically trading the free agent we used that cap space on to reacquire Ben Gordon….Charlotte GM 1, Joe Dumars 0

[jaycee24Participant]

See I’m not completely sure Josh wouldn’t be able to fit in there but you guys are probably right. And honestly if we could get BG for Smith I’d take that any day of the week.

Think about this if that were to happen….DET traded Gordon and a 1st for Maggette to get out of Bens contract and pick up some cap space. So here we are one year later talking about hypothetically trading the free agent we used that cap space on to reacquire Ben Gordon….Charlotte GM 1, Joe Dumars 0

[jaycee24Participant]

That wouldn’t be a cool lineup to make a splash in the playoffs?

Lowry-Derozan-Ross-Smith-JV

with Patterson Fields Vasquez Hansbrough Hayes Novak for the bench

Who knows if D Wade were unable to play or something maybe they could make a run…IDK probably just wishful thinking

[jaycee24Participant]

That wouldn’t be a cool lineup to make a splash in the playoffs?

Lowry-Derozan-Ross-Smith-JV

with Patterson Fields Vasquez Hansbrough Hayes Novak for the bench

Who knows if D Wade were unable to play or something maybe they could make a run…IDK probably just wishful thinking

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 Thats trade is bad for both teams…Salmons is not enough, and Amir had his stint in Detroit already…and he would be a downgrade because he needs ally oops and put backs to be effective (like drummond). He has a cringe jumper too as well. I would keep Smith because I still see potential in the Drummond/Smith combo too as well. Monroe/ Drummond  and Smith/Monroe is the issue because they need to be in the paint to be effective. Pistons need shooters at the SG and SF. I still believe that either gay, Deng, Afflalo, Barnes, Henderson would fit the bill,  all are within reach.

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 Thats trade is bad for both teams…Salmons is not enough, and Amir had his stint in Detroit already…and he would be a downgrade because he needs ally oops and put backs to be effective (like drummond). He has a cringe jumper too as well. I would keep Smith because I still see potential in the Drummond/Smith combo too as well. Monroe/ Drummond  and Smith/Monroe is the issue because they need to be in the paint to be effective. Pistons need shooters at the SG and SF. I still believe that either gay, Deng, Afflalo, Barnes, Henderson would fit the bill,  all are within reach.

[unbelievaParticipant]

 As a raptors fan I hope to never see josh smith in that uniform.  I love what Amir brings to the raps. Plays hard. Consummate team guy and veteran presence.  He’s only 26 and it’s his 9th year in the league.  Seems crazy.  And I love the intensity salmons plays with. He’s fast becoming torontos best defensive wing.  We got rid of the Rudy Gay contract, no way we want a new nightmare contract with arguably a selfish player IMO 

[unbelievaParticipant]

 As a raptors fan I hope to never see josh smith in that uniform.  I love what Amir brings to the raps. Plays hard. Consummate team guy and veteran presence.  He’s only 26 and it’s his 9th year in the league.  Seems crazy.  And I love the intensity salmons plays with. He’s fast becoming torontos best defensive wing.  We got rid of the Rudy Gay contract, no way we want a new nightmare contract with arguably a selfish player IMO 

[apb540Participant]

I like your idea of Eric Gordon for J-Smoove. It’d need more pieces, but it has some legs.

[apb540Participant]

I like your idea of Eric Gordon for J-Smoove. It’d need more pieces, but it has some legs.

[apb540Participant]

I like your idea of Eric Gordon for J-Smoove. It’d need more pieces, but it has some legs.

[apb540Participant]

I like your idea of Eric Gordon for J-Smoove. It’d need more pieces, but it has some legs.

[JordoParticipant]

 or you could get a time machine, go back and stop dumars from signing him 

[JordoParticipant]

 or you could get a time machine, go back and stop dumars from signing him 

[jaycee24Participant]

I feel like if your name isn’t Joe Wolf you get negged for any idea that isn’t completely obviously correct on here.

[jaycee24Participant]

I feel like if your name isn’t Joe Wolf you get negged for any idea that isn’t completely obviously correct on here.

[jaycee24Participant]

For the Pistons it isn’t a good trade I know that. Smith’s contract situation is so bad Detroit literally has zero options. I thought if you provide an upgrade for the Raptors at PF and ask Smith to just provide toughness defense and finishing around the rim just like Johnson but at a higher level more like a 3rd option or even a main option in some rotations. Make it Fields if Salmons is so productive. Seems like Toronto may very well lose Lowry after this year so why not go for what ever success you can this year. How cool would it be to see a fun team like Toronto who frankly, I’ve even as a Pistons fan wanted to see succeed. Just an idea

Detroit getting Johnson and Salmons may not make them a winner but neither does riding out Smith’s contract while standing to lose actual franchise cornerstones. Maybe they’d be bad enough for the rest of this year to keep their draft pick (would have to be top 8) and pick up another young prospect. Pay Johnson and whoever for a year and a half and fix a problem or hang onto a player that isn’t helping you win within the teams current situation for the rest of this season and 3 more after that.

[jaycee24Participant]

For the Pistons it isn’t a good trade I know that. Smith’s contract situation is so bad Detroit literally has zero options. I thought if you provide an upgrade for the Raptors at PF and ask Smith to just provide toughness defense and finishing around the rim just like Johnson but at a higher level more like a 3rd option or even a main option in some rotations. Make it Fields if Salmons is so productive. Seems like Toronto may very well lose Lowry after this year so why not go for what ever success you can this year. How cool would it be to see a fun team like Toronto who frankly, I’ve even as a Pistons fan wanted to see succeed. Just an idea

Detroit getting Johnson and Salmons may not make them a winner but neither does riding out Smith’s contract while standing to lose actual franchise cornerstones. Maybe they’d be bad enough for the rest of this year to keep their draft pick (would have to be top 8) and pick up another young prospect. Pay Johnson and whoever for a year and a half and fix a problem or hang onto a player that isn’t helping you win within the teams current situation for the rest of this season and 3 more after that.

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