[Lotto StudParticipant]

 The backcourt is beyond stacked to the point of mirroring the Phoenix Suns success with overloading depth in a 2-Guard system.

• PG – Mahcus Smaht/Isaiah Thomas/Terry Rozier
• SG – Avery Bradley/R.J. Hunter/Marcus Thornton
• GF – Evan Turner/James Young

What is going on here?!

[Jerrell7Participant]

 I think they drafted the way they did to try to entice Sacramento or the sixers. They trying to get a center but I doubt anyone bites on these guys. 

[Jerrell7Participant]

 I think they drafted the way they did to try to entice Sacramento or the sixers. They trying to get a center but I doubt anyone bites on these guys. 

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

Except that the overloaded guard system in Phoenix worked in terms of providing wins, the players were just unsatisfied with there roles. Someone has to be moved cause no way were starting training camp with an overhaul at the guard position. Marcus Thornton possibly wont even make the final roster so he can be a draft and stash asset. I like Rozier and Hunter as prospects, we get a kid who has elite level speed and quickness that can utilize the pick and roll effectively and a guy who is a good shooter with passing abilities. I just fear that the front office is giving up on Marcus way to early, I feel like he’s the one that most likely on his way out.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 If you had to take a realistic guess launching a landing spot for Smaht; where does he go?

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

 I’m from New Zealand. Is there a reason you keep spelling Marcus Smarts name Smaht? Is it some thing to do with the Boston accent?

[tblazer_NZParticipant]

 I’m from New Zealand. Is there a reason you keep spelling Marcus Smarts name Smaht? Is it some thing to do with the Boston accent?

[trelos6Participant]

Yeah, it’s the Boston accent.

HAH VAHD = Harvard

 

  

[trelos6Participant]

Yeah, it’s the Boston accent.

HAH VAHD = Harvard

 

  

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 If you had to take a realistic guess launching a landing spot for Smaht; where does he go?

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

Except that the overloaded guard system in Phoenix worked in terms of providing wins, the players were just unsatisfied with there roles. Someone has to be moved cause no way were starting training camp with an overhaul at the guard position. Marcus Thornton possibly wont even make the final roster so he can be a draft and stash asset. I like Rozier and Hunter as prospects, we get a kid who has elite level speed and quickness that can utilize the pick and roll effectively and a guy who is a good shooter with passing abilities. I just fear that the front office is giving up on Marcus way to early, I feel like he’s the one that most likely on his way out.

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

Philly is the first team that comes to mind, as they have an overhaul in a position that the Celtics lack in talent of.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I am not the best when it comes to proposals, but Chicago desperately needs backcourt help bad because of no depth behind Derrick Rose going down so often. Besides, they have just drafted Bobby Portis who happened to not be a need but was the BPA at the time. Portis could be trade bait as well for a swap out.

Money Mike! MJ has been in every headline for a win now situation. I would not be surprised if he entertained the thought of sticking his hand in that jar as well for another PG.

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I am not the best when it comes to proposals, but Chicago desperately needs backcourt help bad because of no depth behind Derrick Rose going down so often. Besides, they have just drafted Bobby Portis who happened to not be a need but was the BPA at the time. Portis could be trade bait as well for a swap out.

Money Mike! MJ has been in every headline for a win now situation. I would not be surprised if he entertained the thought of sticking his hand in that jar as well for another PG.

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Sorry but Smart is exactly the type of player the Sixers avoid. He’s undersized for a 2, can’t shoot and has a low ceiling. They would rather look for undrafted free agent projects like Jakarr Sampson than a low upside medicore player like Smart. (And yes I realize that Smart is currently better than all their guards bar Wroten but the still aren’t going to give you anything for him, just not Hinkie’s way).

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Sorry but Smart is exactly the type of player the Sixers avoid. He’s undersized for a 2, can’t shoot and has a low ceiling. They would rather look for undrafted free agent projects like Jakarr Sampson than a low upside medicore player like Smart. (And yes I realize that Smart is currently better than all their guards bar Wroten but the still aren’t going to give you anything for him, just not Hinkie’s way).

[BostonCs FanParticipant]

Philly is the first team that comes to mind, as they have an overhaul in a position that the Celtics lack in talent of.

[T Rex]

 I don’t think Smart is at great risk of being traded. Danny only takes good deals, and while he offered Smart in a trade offer for Nerlens Noel and the third draft pick, that doesn’t mean Danny is going to trade Smart just for the sake of trading him.

Smart weighs 230 lbs, and can guard many small forwards. Phoenix tried the three guard lineup, but Bledsoe doesn’t have the strength that Smart does. Not even close. Smart defending the SF is no worse than Evan Turner, and probably better.

 

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I don’t think Smart is at great risk of being traded. Danny only takes good deals, and while he offered Smart in a trade offer for Nerlens Noel and the third draft pick, that doesn’t mean Danny is going to trade Smart just for the sake of trading him.

Smart weighs 230 lbs, and can guard many small forwards. Phoenix tried the three guard lineup, but Bledsoe doesn’t have the strength that Smart does. Not even close. Smart defending the SF is no worse than Evan Turner, and probably better.

 

 

 

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 See if Smart is better than the new guys and catching up to IT. Make trades based on what you see.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 See if Smart is better than the new guys and catching up to IT. Make trades based on what you see.

[trelos6Participant]

 Package a deal for Noah. He is such a competator. Would thrive in Bean Town once he rests up a bit. Thibs has killed him in the last few years. 

[oc1234Participant]

 I say Utah really pushes this year to make the playoffs. Boston sends them Smart, who is a great player to play alongside Hayward, Bradley, Sully, Dallas’ first round pick, and Boston’s first for Derrick Favors.

 

PG: Terry Rozier

SG: RJ Hunter

SF: Tobias Harris

PF: Kelly Olynyk

C: Derrick Favors

That team would be extremly fun to watch with Brad Stevens at the helm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[oc1234Participant]

 I say Utah really pushes this year to make the playoffs. Boston sends them Smart, who is a great player to play alongside Hayward, Bradley, Sully, Dallas’ first round pick, and Boston’s first for Derrick Favors.

 

PG: Terry Rozier

SG: RJ Hunter

SF: Tobias Harris

PF: Kelly Olynyk

C: Derrick Favors

That team would be extremly fun to watch with Brad Stevens at the helm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trelos6Participant]

 Package a deal for Noah. He is such a competator. Would thrive in Bean Town once he rests up a bit. Thibs has killed him in the last few years. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 Danny Ainge on his conferece after the draft stated that he was "going to trade 1 or 2 guards" on the roster before season starts, so this is kind of answering your question. I don’t think the Rozier pick was as bad as people think it was, as every year people show what they are really made of once they actually play an NBA game. What we do know is that Rozier is a great defender, has incredible speed and athleticism, and can play the 1 or the 2. I think he is a keeper, because BS offense is designed around drive and kicks, and having an prospect with elite speed and first step ability is only going to make things easier on the Celtic shooters. I also like his ability to play with Smart, as both of them are hound dogs on defense, can dribble, and find the open man. Both of them just need to work on shooting, but both of them project to be okay in that regards moving forward. I’m actually pretty excited to watch a Rozier/Smart frontcourt this year. 

I think the player who’s on the move is Avery Bradley. He has the biggest contract, and his skill set is now redundant with Smart/Rozier on the team. His offense has gotten better, but he’s limited to just catch and shoots, and shooting off handoffs. Anyone who watched the Celtics this year will tell you that Marcus Smart played exclusively at SG for long stretches of time (SG on Defense, and SF on offense to be honest), and this draft move just personafies that. I expect Bradley to be traded very soon, and am interested in what type of fetch he could net us. 

Having a lineup of :

Rozier-IT

Smart-Hunter

Crowder-Young-Turner

Sully-Micky

Zeller-Olynyk

Is stacked with youth/versatility/shooting/and potential. I think the Celtics obviously need to make more moves, but as of right now I’m excited to where things are headed. Ainge just needs to make some good FA signings, and aquire a big man who actually plays big. I hope Ainge can pull through. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 Danny Ainge on his conferece after the draft stated that he was "going to trade 1 or 2 guards" on the roster before season starts, so this is kind of answering your question. I don’t think the Rozier pick was as bad as people think it was, as every year people show what they are really made of once they actually play an NBA game. What we do know is that Rozier is a great defender, has incredible speed and athleticism, and can play the 1 or the 2. I think he is a keeper, because BS offense is designed around drive and kicks, and having an prospect with elite speed and first step ability is only going to make things easier on the Celtic shooters. I also like his ability to play with Smart, as both of them are hound dogs on defense, can dribble, and find the open man. Both of them just need to work on shooting, but both of them project to be okay in that regards moving forward. I’m actually pretty excited to watch a Rozier/Smart frontcourt this year. 

I think the player who’s on the move is Avery Bradley. He has the biggest contract, and his skill set is now redundant with Smart/Rozier on the team. His offense has gotten better, but he’s limited to just catch and shoots, and shooting off handoffs. Anyone who watched the Celtics this year will tell you that Marcus Smart played exclusively at SG for long stretches of time (SG on Defense, and SF on offense to be honest), and this draft move just personafies that. I expect Bradley to be traded very soon, and am interested in what type of fetch he could net us. 

Having a lineup of :

Rozier-IT

Smart-Hunter

Crowder-Young-Turner

Sully-Micky

Zeller-Olynyk

Is stacked with youth/versatility/shooting/and potential. I think the Celtics obviously need to make more moves, but as of right now I’m excited to where things are headed. Ainge just needs to make some good FA signings, and aquire a big man who actually plays big. I hope Ainge can pull through. 

[BleedGreen808Participant]

At first I was really frustated with the Rozier pick considering all the guards we already had.  But after spending time watching video of him I’ve started to come around.  He’s lightning quick allowing him to push the break in attack mode.  He’s a hustle player and a backcourt of Rozier and Smart will give teams fits on defense.  However, unless they can improve their shooting that starting lineup will struggle shooting the ball.  Rozier and IT are a pair of point guards that fit well in Brad Stevens system.  James Young and RJ Hunter will need to hit shots to keep defenses honest and open up the floor.  

 I’m with you on what the roster will look like next year.  It’s time to move on from Avery and try to find a taker for him.  He’s an improved shooter but he is still streaky shooter who is best spoting up and coming off hand-offs.  I think will be contenders intersted in adding him for his defense and shooting.  Unfortunately I think we might have to settle for limited return.  I don’t want to move on from Smart after one year so I expect Avery to be the odd man out.  

Next would be to re-sign Crowder to a reasonable deal while cutting/trading Pressey and Chris Babb.  I also expect us to let Bass and Gigi walk as well.  Jerebko is an iffy one for me.  I like his energy but he doesn’t feel like he would be a part of the future.  

Unless we land a big free agent(which I doubt) I expect the team to take a step back.  It’s time to let our young players work mistake by playing big minutes.  With that roster we would miss the playoffs while teams like Charlotte, Miami, and Indiana will return to the playoffs barring injury.  As we saw this year fighting for the 7th or 8th seed doesn’t do much when you get swept in the 1st round.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

At first I was really frustated with the Rozier pick considering all the guards we already had.  But after spending time watching video of him I’ve started to come around.  He’s lightning quick allowing him to push the break in attack mode.  He’s a hustle player and a backcourt of Rozier and Smart will give teams fits on defense.  However, unless they can improve their shooting that starting lineup will struggle shooting the ball.  Rozier and IT are a pair of point guards that fit well in Brad Stevens system.  James Young and RJ Hunter will need to hit shots to keep defenses honest and open up the floor.  

 I’m with you on what the roster will look like next year.  It’s time to move on from Avery and try to find a taker for him.  He’s an improved shooter but he is still streaky shooter who is best spoting up and coming off hand-offs.  I think will be contenders intersted in adding him for his defense and shooting.  Unfortunately I think we might have to settle for limited return.  I don’t want to move on from Smart after one year so I expect Avery to be the odd man out.  

Next would be to re-sign Crowder to a reasonable deal while cutting/trading Pressey and Chris Babb.  I also expect us to let Bass and Gigi walk as well.  Jerebko is an iffy one for me.  I like his energy but he doesn’t feel like he would be a part of the future.  

Unless we land a big free agent(which I doubt) I expect the team to take a step back.  It’s time to let our young players work mistake by playing big minutes.  With that roster we would miss the playoffs while teams like Charlotte, Miami, and Indiana will return to the playoffs barring injury.  As we saw this year fighting for the 7th or 8th seed doesn’t do much when you get swept in the 1st round.  

[trelos6Participant]

I agree and think Bradley is on the block.

Not sure if I like Rozier as a starting PG.  I think he is a good option for combo guard off the bench.  But then I also don’t want IT to start, as he is a great spark plug off the bench also.

Maybe a combo of Smart and Hunter starting.  It gives size and shooting.

I love the Mickey pick up.  He looks to be another solid contributor.

 

 

 

[trelos6Participant]

I agree and think Bradley is on the block.

Not sure if I like Rozier as a starting PG.  I think he is a good option for combo guard off the bench.  But then I also don’t want IT to start, as he is a great spark plug off the bench also.

Maybe a combo of Smart and Hunter starting.  It gives size and shooting.

I love the Mickey pick up.  He looks to be another solid contributor.

 

 

 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 I think people get to glued into the whole "He’s not a PG" montra, and need to look more at the team make up, and coaching that the player is walking into. Brad Stevens offense is not your run of the mill offense, and includes at least 3 to 4 guys on the court at all times that can shoot/dribble/pass. We saw this last year at its worst with Tuner/Smart/Olynyk, as the PG is really just the guy who dribbles the ball up the floor. The rest of the offense is motion themed read/react type where the team uses picks/passes to get a msmatch, and have one of the players drive and dish. Obviously the Celtics didn’t have shooters/drivers last year, so it wasn’t that great, but the second they got IT everything changed. 

I think in this type of offense Rozier could be extremely potent, as all he would need to do is bring the ball up the floor, and look to attack the hoop in PnR situations. He’s going to have to master this though, and learn when to take it all the way to score, and when to continue with the offense and pass out. He’s also going to have to learn how to shoot at a decent clip, as 31% from 3 just isn’t going to cut it. 

Overall, I see the Celtics using Rozier in the same mold that the Clippers/Suns used Eric Bledsoe, and that the OKC Thunder used for Jackson. I like his potential to be a game changer in this offense, and hope that he matures into a fine player

[mgreener_34Participant]

 I think people get to glued into the whole "He’s not a PG" montra, and need to look more at the team make up, and coaching that the player is walking into. Brad Stevens offense is not your run of the mill offense, and includes at least 3 to 4 guys on the court at all times that can shoot/dribble/pass. We saw this last year at its worst with Tuner/Smart/Olynyk, as the PG is really just the guy who dribbles the ball up the floor. The rest of the offense is motion themed read/react type where the team uses picks/passes to get a msmatch, and have one of the players drive and dish. Obviously the Celtics didn’t have shooters/drivers last year, so it wasn’t that great, but the second they got IT everything changed. 

I think in this type of offense Rozier could be extremely potent, as all he would need to do is bring the ball up the floor, and look to attack the hoop in PnR situations. He’s going to have to master this though, and learn when to take it all the way to score, and when to continue with the offense and pass out. He’s also going to have to learn how to shoot at a decent clip, as 31% from 3 just isn’t going to cut it. 

Overall, I see the Celtics using Rozier in the same mold that the Clippers/Suns used Eric Bledsoe, and that the OKC Thunder used for Jackson. I like his potential to be a game changer in this offense, and hope that he matures into a fine player

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 That team is going nowhere fast.  That’s a team full of MLE guys.  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 That team is going nowhere fast.  That’s a team full of MLE guys.  

[T Rex]

 MLE = Maximum Level Excitement

[T Rex]

 MLE = Maximum Level Excitement

[HitsterParticipant]

 Boston have about 4 first rounders due via trades in next fw years I think, so Danny Ainge has alot of trade ammo before you factor in the Celtics own picks, Crash’s expiring deal. Don’t forget too that Boston maybe have $20 odd cap space and would be an attractive option for the right FA big with a decent young team, top young coach, big market to play in etc. 

I still wonder if they might try to attract a Tyson Chandler type player. He has won at title at Dallas so doesn’t need to chase a title as much as other guys might, he’s considered a good locker room presence and would bring exprience and leadership to a young team. Boston have the cap space to make him a decent offer.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Boston have about 4 first rounders due via trades in next fw years I think, so Danny Ainge has alot of trade ammo before you factor in the Celtics own picks, Crash’s expiring deal. Don’t forget too that Boston maybe have $20 odd cap space and would be an attractive option for the right FA big with a decent young team, top young coach, big market to play in etc. 

I still wonder if they might try to attract a Tyson Chandler type player. He has won at title at Dallas so doesn’t need to chase a title as much as other guys might, he’s considered a good locker room presence and would bring exprience and leadership to a young team. Boston have the cap space to make him a decent offer.

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

"I still wonder if they might try to attract a Tyson Chandler type player."

Brandan Wright would make sense.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

"I still wonder if they might try to attract a Tyson Chandler type player."

Brandan Wright would make sense.

[nill650Participant]

 no way in hell boston keeps all of those guards.

[nill650Participant]

 no way in hell boston keeps all of those guards.

[T Rex]

Celtics turned down a first rounder for Bradley last Feb. Hopefully they can get that or a couple second rounders for him, if he’s the odd man out.

But like I said, both Smart and James Young can play minutes at the SF. They could even play all of their minutes there.

Rozier, Hunter, Smart as a starting unit

IT4, Bradley, Young as the reserves.

With Evan Turner the next guy off the bench.

Crowder isn’t signed, so he might be gone. Jordan Mickey can probably play power 3 against the bigger SFs, and the Celtics just signed Jonathan Holmes to summer league.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[T Rex]

Celtics turned down a first rounder for Bradley last Feb. Hopefully they can get that or a couple second rounders for him, if he’s the odd man out.

But like I said, both Smart and James Young can play minutes at the SF. They could even play all of their minutes there.

Rozier, Hunter, Smart as a starting unit

IT4, Bradley, Young as the reserves.

With Evan Turner the next guy off the bench.

Crowder isn’t signed, so he might be gone. Jordan Mickey can probably play power 3 against the bigger SFs, and the Celtics just signed Jonathan Holmes to summer league.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[T Rex]

 The people who think the Celtics are going to take a step back are the same people who never guessed the Celtics would take a big step forward last year.

 

 

[T Rex]

 The people who think the Celtics are going to take a step back are the same people who never guessed the Celtics would take a big step forward last year.

 

 

[CoachWyersParticipant]

I don’t know if they are beyond stacked I think Rozier and Hunter will both be eased in next year, although I think both can become starters or top bench players in the league eventually. I see Hunter getting the more playing time out of the two because he fits a need in 3pt shooting which the Celtics could use off the bench. Rozier will have a tough time getting on the court without an injury.

[CoachWyersParticipant]

I don’t know if they are beyond stacked I think Rozier and Hunter will both be eased in next year, although I think both can become starters or top bench players in the league eventually. I see Hunter getting the more playing time out of the two because he fits a need in 3pt shooting which the Celtics could use off the bench. Rozier will have a tough time getting on the court without an injury.

[trelos6Participant]

Who would you rather the C’s drafted at 16.  All the good players were off the board.

The only one I see is Dekker.  He has the potential to be a talented SF.  

Anderson projects as a 3 and D type, and as for Portis, we already have Sullinger and Olynyk who are our PF rotation (both better than Portis IMO).

The only dissapointment was drafting Thornton with 45.  I felt we should’ve gone for Upshaw.  Try him out in the summer league and if he still has a bad attitude, drop him.

 

 

[trelos6Participant]

Who would you rather the C’s drafted at 16.  All the good players were off the board.

The only one I see is Dekker.  He has the potential to be a talented SF.  

Anderson projects as a 3 and D type, and as for Portis, we already have Sullinger and Olynyk who are our PF rotation (both better than Portis IMO).

The only dissapointment was drafting Thornton with 45.  I felt we should’ve gone for Upshaw.  Try him out in the summer league and if he still has a bad attitude, drop him.

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 How do you fix that without putting a scorer in the starting line up? IT needs to start or play every game from behind. They play from behind and run out of gas. IT needs to start and Rozier or Smart need to score off the bench. Unless Smart and Rozier show serious scoring prowess, who else should start?

[mgreener_34Participant]

 Well, I’m hoping Tobias Harris, he would be a great FA addition, and is a player I’ve backed many times on this site as a Melo-lite player. He could be that scoring we need in the starting unit, potentially being a 20 ppg scorer on good efficiency, and then take him out when we put IT in the game. Having him as a potential small bal PF would be great too. 

I would much rather see a rotation sub of Smart/Harris for IT/Crowder than starting a 5’9 scoring guard. IT gets beat on D too much for us to start him, and we still lack that defensive beast inside to make up for that. IT can not start

[mgreener_34Participant]

 Well, I’m hoping Tobias Harris, he would be a great FA addition, and is a player I’ve backed many times on this site as a Melo-lite player. He could be that scoring we need in the starting unit, potentially being a 20 ppg scorer on good efficiency, and then take him out when we put IT in the game. Having him as a potential small bal PF would be great too. 

I would much rather see a rotation sub of Smart/Harris for IT/Crowder than starting a 5’9 scoring guard. IT gets beat on D too much for us to start him, and we still lack that defensive beast inside to make up for that. IT can not start

[T Rex]

Both James Young and RJ Hunter could get a look as starters. If it’s Hunter, just have Smart defend the SF.

 

 

[T Rex]

Both James Young and RJ Hunter could get a look as starters. If it’s Hunter, just have Smart defend the SF.

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 How do you fix that without putting a scorer in the starting line up? IT needs to start or play every game from behind. They play from behind and run out of gas. IT needs to start and Rozier or Smart need to score off the bench. Unless Smart and Rozier show serious scoring prowess, who else should start?

[Willfb3Participant]

The Sixers could send McGee’s expiring contract along with the Heat and Thunder’s first round picks for Bradley if the C’s really want to move him.

[Willfb3Participant]

The Sixers could send McGee’s expiring contract along with the Heat and Thunder’s first round picks for Bradley if the C’s really want to move him.

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