[r377Participant]

3 point shooting is getting more and more popular. Lets look at league averages. In the late 90s the league average was around 13 x 3’s per game. This season it is at 24 x 3’s per game. With small ball, stretch 4’s etc this is going to keep climbing…..

2 pts 45% = 90 points per 100 shots.
3 pts 35% = 105 points per 100 shots.

Its not really close, taking more 3’s give you 15 ppg more.

Now here is the kicker – MISSED SHOTS. As we all know shooting a 3, the rebound can go anywhere giving the offensive team more chance of an offensive rebound (and another shot attempt).

I would say to be safe the offensive rebound would be at least 10% more chance on a 3 shot than just a regular 2, it may be even more ?

So on 100 shots you now get an extra 10 shots because of the long ball rebound which 3/10 shooting would now take it to 114 points for 3’s vs 90 points for 2’s….

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

You’re making a lot of assumptions with the rebounding data that is far from substantiated by any statistics. 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

You’re making a lot of assumptions with the rebounding data that is far from substantiated by any statistics. 

[r377Participant]

Can someone get the statistic of offensive rebounds per 100 shots on 2’s vs 3’s ?

[r377Participant]

Can someone get the statistic of offensive rebounds per 100 shots on 2’s vs 3’s ?

[TheGuyParticipant]

 you’re the dude that made this topic arguing getting more offensive boards on 3’s and you ask someone to do research for you? ok

[TheGuyParticipant]

 you’re the dude that made this topic arguing getting more offensive boards on 3’s and you ask someone to do research for you? ok

[markfitz14Participant]

No data to back this but you have the rebounding backwards. I remeber older coachs use to discourage 3 point shots becuase it would lead to less rebounds for the shooting team. This occurs becuase the high 3pt arc causes a big bounce of the rim or back board bouncing over the Offensive C/PF and land near where the defensive PG, SG and SF would be standing(More times than not). The defensive PG,SG,SF  which would be on the inside of the 3pt line and the offensive player is on the outside making for easy box out too. Also the PG,SG and SF can push the ball faster and the PF C wouldn’t be able to get back on D quick enough to help guard the rim.

 

[markfitz14Participant]

No data to back this but you have the rebounding backwards. I remeber older coachs use to discourage 3 point shots becuase it would lead to less rebounds for the shooting team. This occurs becuase the high 3pt arc causes a big bounce of the rim or back board bouncing over the Offensive C/PF and land near where the defensive PG, SG and SF would be standing(More times than not). The defensive PG,SG,SF  which would be on the inside of the 3pt line and the offensive player is on the outside making for easy box out too. Also the PG,SG and SF can push the ball faster and the PF C wouldn’t be able to get back on D quick enough to help guard the rim.

 

[EspressoParticipant]

 I like the the idea and something Curry made me realize when i found he was averaging like 9 threes per game.

At his percentage, I figured he would be better off just by shooting the three.

Can the three point shot be broken? We already see 3s dominate college basketball and it has been ridiculous the amount of 3s teams are taking this year. I was watching the OKC vs Clips, and it seemed like 15 of the first 20 shots Clips took was 3s. 

I cant believe you got negged, wtf?

Another thing to point out is the avoidance of injuries by the increased used of the long ball, something im sure Curry took into a bit of consideration, given his ankle background

 

 

 

 

[EspressoParticipant]

 I like the the idea and something Curry made me realize when i found he was averaging like 9 threes per game.

At his percentage, I figured he would be better off just by shooting the three.

Can the three point shot be broken? We already see 3s dominate college basketball and it has been ridiculous the amount of 3s teams are taking this year. I was watching the OKC vs Clips, and it seemed like 15 of the first 20 shots Clips took was 3s. 

I cant believe you got negged, wtf?

Another thing to point out is the avoidance of injuries by the increased used of the long ball, something im sure Curry took into a bit of consideration, given his ankle background

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Driving to the hoop whilst guys like Nick Collisson wait underneath and attempt to draw charges is injury-central.

I liked it back in the day where bigmen would go for the block every time and risked getting postered. 

Less bigmen going for blocks + more longrange shooting = way less poster dunks. 

[Hype Machine]

Driving to the hoop whilst guys like Nick Collisson wait underneath and attempt to draw charges is injury-central.

I liked it back in the day where bigmen would go for the block every time and risked getting postered. 

Less bigmen going for blocks + more longrange shooting = way less poster dunks. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Don’t have many stats just going by the eye test but I think Pop and the Spurs are already bucking the three point trend by prioritizing efficiency over volume, in comparison to a team like the Rockets where no one takes anything but a 3 or layup. The game looks much more organic in the case of the Spurs because they are just playing smart, team basketball to the strengths of their players. 

 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Don’t have many stats just going by the eye test but I think Pop and the Spurs are already bucking the three point trend by prioritizing efficiency over volume, in comparison to a team like the Rockets where no one takes anything but a 3 or layup. The game looks much more organic in the case of the Spurs because they are just playing smart, team basketball to the strengths of their players. 

 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This includes a steady dose of midrange shots and post offense, not only for Lamarcus but Kawhi as well. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This includes a steady dose of midrange shots and post offense, not only for Lamarcus but Kawhi as well. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would also suspect that 3 point misses lead to more rebounds going the other way for fast breaks.

A long rebound going the other way can get you in trouble.

I think the BETTER your team shoots from 3 the HIGHER the optimal number of 3 point attempts taken per game.

The WORSE your team shoots from 3 the LOWER the optimal number of 3 point attempts taken per game.

I would assume that too many teams take too many 3’s.  Maybe no more than 10 teams, but not EVERY team can have Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.

Spacing the floor and passing to the open man SHOULD be better than jacking up 3 point shots — in most cases.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would also suspect that 3 point misses lead to more rebounds going the other way for fast breaks.

A long rebound going the other way can get you in trouble.

I think the BETTER your team shoots from 3 the HIGHER the optimal number of 3 point attempts taken per game.

The WORSE your team shoots from 3 the LOWER the optimal number of 3 point attempts taken per game.

I would assume that too many teams take too many 3’s.  Maybe no more than 10 teams, but not EVERY team can have Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.

Spacing the floor and passing to the open man SHOULD be better than jacking up 3 point shots — in most cases.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CynthiaParticipant]

The NBA is sadly turning into a video game. You know those guys you play against on console that have no idea how to play basketball and just shoot 3’s the whole game and sometimes even beat you because of it? Yeah that’s the NBA now. I’m old school and love half court offense, grit & grind for every single bucket, taking it inside more times than not. I miss when bigs actually played like bigs and used strength to score instead of tossing up 3’s and contested mid range shots all day.

Lest we forget.

 

[CynthiaParticipant]

The NBA is sadly turning into a video game. You know those guys you play against on console that have no idea how to play basketball and just shoot 3’s the whole game and sometimes even beat you because of it? Yeah that’s the NBA now. I’m old school and love half court offense, grit & grind for every single bucket, taking it inside more times than not. I miss when bigs actually played like bigs and used strength to score instead of tossing up 3’s and contested mid range shots all day.

Lest we forget.

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The 56-6 Warriors are 2nd in the percentage of their shots coming from behind the arc, the 54-10 Spurs (having rested players throughout and lost a few more games as result) are 27th. You can be really good, really bad, or plain mediocre in many different ways.

NBA Champs % of FG from 3

1996- Chicago, 19.6%, league average 20.0%
1997- Chicago, 20.3%, league average 21.2%
1998- Chicago, 14.1%, league average 15.9%
1999- San Antonio, 13.7%, league average 16.8%
2000- LA Lakers, 15.3%, league average 16.7%
2001- LA Lakers, 19.1%, league average 17.0%
2002- LA Lakers, 21.0%, league average 18.1%
2003- San Antonio, 20.2%, league average 18.2%
2004- Detroit, 15.3%, league average 18.7%
2005- San Antonio, 21.6%, league average 19.6%
2006- Miami, 22.7%, league average, 20.2%
2007- San Antonio, 24.7%, league average. 21.3%
2008- Boston, 24.9%, league average 22.2%
2009- LA Lakers, 21.7%, league average 22.4%
2010- LA Lakers, 22.7%, league average 22.2%
2011- Dallas, 27.4%, league average 22.2%
2012- Miami, 19.8%, league average, 22.6%
2013- Miami, 28.5%, league average, 24.3%
2014- San Antonio, 25.7%, league average 25.9%
2015- Golden State, 31.1%, league average 26.8%
2016- ? Golden State is 35.3%, San Antonio is 22.4%, OKC is 26.6%, Cleveland is 33.6%, Miami is 22.4%, and the league average is 28.2%

Teams aren’t built with factory parts. Many teams have tried to chase the model that won Phoenix zero titles, and really only Golden State has succeeded. In both of those cases, there were unique players that made it work. Cleveland tried to recreate Miami’s Big 3 model, and so far year two in Cleveland does not look like year two in Miami. No matter how many teams poach San Antonio’s coaches, executives, and former players, it never comes through in quite the same way. It is dangerous to think there is an easy formula that can be recreated elsewhere. Heck, Houston rode its model to the WCF last year, and this year they are shooting just as many and are at the moment sub-.500.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The 56-6 Warriors are 2nd in the percentage of their shots coming from behind the arc, the 54-10 Spurs (having rested players throughout and lost a few more games as result) are 27th. You can be really good, really bad, or plain mediocre in many different ways.

NBA Champs % of FG from 3

1996- Chicago, 19.6%, league average 20.0%
1997- Chicago, 20.3%, league average 21.2%
1998- Chicago, 14.1%, league average 15.9%
1999- San Antonio, 13.7%, league average 16.8%
2000- LA Lakers, 15.3%, league average 16.7%
2001- LA Lakers, 19.1%, league average 17.0%
2002- LA Lakers, 21.0%, league average 18.1%
2003- San Antonio, 20.2%, league average 18.2%
2004- Detroit, 15.3%, league average 18.7%
2005- San Antonio, 21.6%, league average 19.6%
2006- Miami, 22.7%, league average, 20.2%
2007- San Antonio, 24.7%, league average. 21.3%
2008- Boston, 24.9%, league average 22.2%
2009- LA Lakers, 21.7%, league average 22.4%
2010- LA Lakers, 22.7%, league average 22.2%
2011- Dallas, 27.4%, league average 22.2%
2012- Miami, 19.8%, league average, 22.6%
2013- Miami, 28.5%, league average, 24.3%
2014- San Antonio, 25.7%, league average 25.9%
2015- Golden State, 31.1%, league average 26.8%
2016- ? Golden State is 35.3%, San Antonio is 22.4%, OKC is 26.6%, Cleveland is 33.6%, Miami is 22.4%, and the league average is 28.2%

Teams aren’t built with factory parts. Many teams have tried to chase the model that won Phoenix zero titles, and really only Golden State has succeeded. In both of those cases, there were unique players that made it work. Cleveland tried to recreate Miami’s Big 3 model, and so far year two in Cleveland does not look like year two in Miami. No matter how many teams poach San Antonio’s coaches, executives, and former players, it never comes through in quite the same way. It is dangerous to think there is an easy formula that can be recreated elsewhere. Heck, Houston rode its model to the WCF last year, and this year they are shooting just as many and are at the moment sub-.500.

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