[surveParticipant]

In this post let’s name some Successors who didnt turn out to be as good as their Predecessors.

Rule of thumb: the Successors you list must have been AS HIGHLY if not MORE HIGHLY touted coming out of HS than their Predecessors.

I start off with:

Loren Woods:

Predecessor: Tim Duncan

Notable HS classmates: Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O’Neal, Rip Hamilton, Mike Bibby

storyline:  Woods was the immediate successor to Tim Duncan at Wake Forest.  Duncan was an unknown basketball player who wasnt even a recruit.  He was founded by Chris King of Wake Forest and offered a scholarship by Dave Odom.  Duncan went on to have a great career.  Woods was a top 20 HS recruit in 1996 and came in to Wake and played along side Duncan for one year.  Woods maxed out at Wake in 2 years with averages of 8.8ppg and 7.1rpg in his second and final year.

Woods went on to star at Arizona along side future NBA successfuls Gilbert Arenas, Richard Jefferson, and Luke Walton.

 

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I don’t really get this topic. Can you explain it more?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I don’t really get this topic. Can you explain it more?

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I don’t really get this topic. Can you explain it more?

[surveParticipant]

sure….Tim Duncan was a great player for 4 years at Wake…but as a Coach, your job is to find a player who can fill that role once that star is gone.  Particularly if it is a specific position.

Duncan was the best Center in college, in preparation for his departure, Wake wanted to find another dominant big to take his place.  Loren Woods was that prized recruit.  He was a top high school recruit and a 7 foot center at that.  All indications were than he would be the next great big man at Wake.  Didnt work out that way.  This is even more interesting because Duncan was an unknown coming out of HS. 

The point of the thread is to list recruits that were expected to pick up the torch and run with it due to their high rankings coming out of HS while never living up to the expectations.

[surveParticipant]

sure….Tim Duncan was a great player for 4 years at Wake…but as a Coach, your job is to find a player who can fill that role once that star is gone.  Particularly if it is a specific position.

Duncan was the best Center in college, in preparation for his departure, Wake wanted to find another dominant big to take his place.  Loren Woods was that prized recruit.  He was a top high school recruit and a 7 foot center at that.  All indications were than he would be the next great big man at Wake.  Didnt work out that way.  This is even more interesting because Duncan was an unknown coming out of HS. 

The point of the thread is to list recruits that were expected to pick up the torch and run with it due to their high rankings coming out of HS while never living up to the expectations.

[surveParticipant]

sure….Tim Duncan was a great player for 4 years at Wake…but as a Coach, your job is to find a player who can fill that role once that star is gone.  Particularly if it is a specific position.

Duncan was the best Center in college, in preparation for his departure, Wake wanted to find another dominant big to take his place.  Loren Woods was that prized recruit.  He was a top high school recruit and a 7 foot center at that.  All indications were than he would be the next great big man at Wake.  Didnt work out that way.  This is even more interesting because Duncan was an unknown coming out of HS. 

The point of the thread is to list recruits that were expected to pick up the torch and run with it due to their high rankings coming out of HS while never living up to the expectations.

[surveParticipant]

Cherokee Parks:

Predecessor: Christian Laettner

Notable HS classmates: Chris Webber and Fab Five, Glen Robinson, Damon Stoudemire, Michael Finley

storyline: Parks was a top 5-10 recruit out of HS, unlike his predecessor Laettner who although he was a good recruit, he probably more in the top 20-30 range.   Parks was a good player at Duke and in his final season he averaged 19ppg and 9rpg.  He enjoyed great success playing along side Grant Hill and winning the national title as a Freshman.  Parks seemed destined to the same success and similar college career of the highly decorated Laettner.  The major downside to his career came when Duke suffered one of its worst seasons in history when Mike Krzyzewski left the team for medical reasons.  The Blue Devils finished 9th in the ACC and recorded an overall record of 13-18 after being just 1 year removed from the National Title game in which they lost to Arkansas.  Parks was still selected 12th overall in the 1995 NBA Draft by the Dallas Mavericks and played his rookie season on the team that then featured the trio of Jamal Mashburn, Jim Jackson, and Jason Kidd (dubbed the 3 J’s).  Parks never managed to average in double figure points or rebounds in his 9 year NBA career.

so essentially, Parks had a good career (outside of the horrendous senior year for the team) but no where near the likes of Laettner (in college or pro) who he ultimately replaced at Duke.

[surveParticipant]

Cherokee Parks:

Predecessor: Christian Laettner

Notable HS classmates: Chris Webber and Fab Five, Glen Robinson, Damon Stoudemire, Michael Finley

storyline: Parks was a top 5-10 recruit out of HS, unlike his predecessor Laettner who although he was a good recruit, he probably more in the top 20-30 range.   Parks was a good player at Duke and in his final season he averaged 19ppg and 9rpg.  He enjoyed great success playing along side Grant Hill and winning the national title as a Freshman.  Parks seemed destined to the same success and similar college career of the highly decorated Laettner.  The major downside to his career came when Duke suffered one of its worst seasons in history when Mike Krzyzewski left the team for medical reasons.  The Blue Devils finished 9th in the ACC and recorded an overall record of 13-18 after being just 1 year removed from the National Title game in which they lost to Arkansas.  Parks was still selected 12th overall in the 1995 NBA Draft by the Dallas Mavericks and played his rookie season on the team that then featured the trio of Jamal Mashburn, Jim Jackson, and Jason Kidd (dubbed the 3 J’s).  Parks never managed to average in double figure points or rebounds in his 9 year NBA career.

so essentially, Parks had a good career (outside of the horrendous senior year for the team) but no where near the likes of Laettner (in college or pro) who he ultimately replaced at Duke.

[surveParticipant]

Cherokee Parks:

Predecessor: Christian Laettner

Notable HS classmates: Chris Webber and Fab Five, Glen Robinson, Damon Stoudemire, Michael Finley

storyline: Parks was a top 5-10 recruit out of HS, unlike his predecessor Laettner who although he was a good recruit, he probably more in the top 20-30 range.   Parks was a good player at Duke and in his final season he averaged 19ppg and 9rpg.  He enjoyed great success playing along side Grant Hill and winning the national title as a Freshman.  Parks seemed destined to the same success and similar college career of the highly decorated Laettner.  The major downside to his career came when Duke suffered one of its worst seasons in history when Mike Krzyzewski left the team for medical reasons.  The Blue Devils finished 9th in the ACC and recorded an overall record of 13-18 after being just 1 year removed from the National Title game in which they lost to Arkansas.  Parks was still selected 12th overall in the 1995 NBA Draft by the Dallas Mavericks and played his rookie season on the team that then featured the trio of Jamal Mashburn, Jim Jackson, and Jason Kidd (dubbed the 3 J’s).  Parks never managed to average in double figure points or rebounds in his 9 year NBA career.

so essentially, Parks had a good career (outside of the horrendous senior year for the team) but no where near the likes of Laettner (in college or pro) who he ultimately replaced at Duke.

[surveParticipant]

I know its a toughy, but maybe we can come up with a few more.   Can you guys think of an heir apparent who was more highly touted than predecessor in their HS days that ended up not having as great a career?

I will give you another example…although this guy has had a great career himself…so I really didnt want to use him but….

Rip Hamilton:

Predecessor:  Ray Allen

Notable HS classmates: Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O’Neal, Stephen Jackson,  Mike Bibby

storyline: A few months ago I heard in an interview with either Rip or Ray, cant remember which one…but basically they were saying how Rip was making his official visit to UCONN and Ray was trying to recruit him as said he would be the guy to replace him.   So in Ray’s eyes, Rip was the guy…and in JC’s eyes too.  Rashamel Jones was in between the two but when he was injured, thats when Rip stepped up.  It’s arguable who was the better UCONN player, they both had their share of accolades.  Rip was definitely the more touted coming out of HS and was a McDonald’s All American but Ray was a pretty good recruit as well and received some good offers.  In the NBA, Ray has been the better player and will have a case for the HOF someday…but Rip hasnt done too bad for himself.

[surveParticipant]

I know its a toughy, but maybe we can come up with a few more.   Can you guys think of an heir apparent who was more highly touted than predecessor in their HS days that ended up not having as great a career?

I will give you another example…although this guy has had a great career himself…so I really didnt want to use him but….

Rip Hamilton:

Predecessor:  Ray Allen

Notable HS classmates: Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O’Neal, Stephen Jackson,  Mike Bibby

storyline: A few months ago I heard in an interview with either Rip or Ray, cant remember which one…but basically they were saying how Rip was making his official visit to UCONN and Ray was trying to recruit him as said he would be the guy to replace him.   So in Ray’s eyes, Rip was the guy…and in JC’s eyes too.  Rashamel Jones was in between the two but when he was injured, thats when Rip stepped up.  It’s arguable who was the better UCONN player, they both had their share of accolades.  Rip was definitely the more touted coming out of HS and was a McDonald’s All American but Ray was a pretty good recruit as well and received some good offers.  In the NBA, Ray has been the better player and will have a case for the HOF someday…but Rip hasnt done too bad for himself.

[surveParticipant]

I know its a toughy, but maybe we can come up with a few more.   Can you guys think of an heir apparent who was more highly touted than predecessor in their HS days that ended up not having as great a career?

I will give you another example…although this guy has had a great career himself…so I really didnt want to use him but….

Rip Hamilton:

Predecessor:  Ray Allen

Notable HS classmates: Kobe Bryant, Jermaine O’Neal, Stephen Jackson,  Mike Bibby

storyline: A few months ago I heard in an interview with either Rip or Ray, cant remember which one…but basically they were saying how Rip was making his official visit to UCONN and Ray was trying to recruit him as said he would be the guy to replace him.   So in Ray’s eyes, Rip was the guy…and in JC’s eyes too.  Rashamel Jones was in between the two but when he was injured, thats when Rip stepped up.  It’s arguable who was the better UCONN player, they both had their share of accolades.  Rip was definitely the more touted coming out of HS and was a McDonald’s All American but Ray was a pretty good recruit as well and received some good offers.  In the NBA, Ray has been the better player and will have a case for the HOF someday…but Rip hasnt done too bad for himself.

[surveParticipant]

Juan Dixon:

Predecessor: Steve Francis

Notable HS Classmates:  Tracy McGrady, Lamar Odom, Baron Davis, Ron Artest

storyline: This is another tough one but I dont appear to be getting any help…lol.  The reason why I say this is tough is because theoretically I dont know if anyone expected Dixon to be the heir apparent to Francis.  The facts are this though…Dixon was lightly regarded coming out of high school as was another good player that year…Michael Redd.  Dixon however was a top-100 ranked player.  I do not recall Francis being on anyone’s radar or in the top 150 in HS.  He only came to Maryland after having a successful JUCO run.  Francis played only one season at Maryland, which was Dixon’s freshman year.  That one year Francis put Maryland in the national spotlight.  He had a tremendous year which catapulted him into the NBA…where he had a very good albeit short career.  Dixon on the other hand had a great college career culminating into a national title.  Dixon picked up where Francis left off, but after college, Dixon just didnt enjoy the NBA success of his predecessor at Maryland.

[surveParticipant]

Juan Dixon:

Predecessor: Steve Francis

Notable HS Classmates:  Tracy McGrady, Lamar Odom, Baron Davis, Ron Artest

storyline: This is another tough one but I dont appear to be getting any help…lol.  The reason why I say this is tough is because theoretically I dont know if anyone expected Dixon to be the heir apparent to Francis.  The facts are this though…Dixon was lightly regarded coming out of high school as was another good player that year…Michael Redd.  Dixon however was a top-100 ranked player.  I do not recall Francis being on anyone’s radar or in the top 150 in HS.  He only came to Maryland after having a successful JUCO run.  Francis played only one season at Maryland, which was Dixon’s freshman year.  That one year Francis put Maryland in the national spotlight.  He had a tremendous year which catapulted him into the NBA…where he had a very good albeit short career.  Dixon on the other hand had a great college career culminating into a national title.  Dixon picked up where Francis left off, but after college, Dixon just didnt enjoy the NBA success of his predecessor at Maryland.

[surveParticipant]

Juan Dixon:

Predecessor: Steve Francis

Notable HS Classmates:  Tracy McGrady, Lamar Odom, Baron Davis, Ron Artest

storyline: This is another tough one but I dont appear to be getting any help…lol.  The reason why I say this is tough is because theoretically I dont know if anyone expected Dixon to be the heir apparent to Francis.  The facts are this though…Dixon was lightly regarded coming out of high school as was another good player that year…Michael Redd.  Dixon however was a top-100 ranked player.  I do not recall Francis being on anyone’s radar or in the top 150 in HS.  He only came to Maryland after having a successful JUCO run.  Francis played only one season at Maryland, which was Dixon’s freshman year.  That one year Francis put Maryland in the national spotlight.  He had a tremendous year which catapulted him into the NBA…where he had a very good albeit short career.  Dixon on the other hand had a great college career culminating into a national title.  Dixon picked up where Francis left off, but after college, Dixon just didnt enjoy the NBA success of his predecessor at Maryland.

[JoeWolf1]

 Predecessors

Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz

Successors

Kenny Gregory and Eric Chenowith

After putting together a dominant 1997-1998 season where they didn’t live up to hopes losing to eventual champion Arizona in the NCAA tournament Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz were both drafted in the top 10 of the 1998 NBA draft.  Two McDonald All-American’s who both had solid freshman seasons were expected to step in and become the next duo of future lottery picks to lead the Jayhawks back to the top of the NCAA.  Instead not only did the KU teams lead by Gregory and Chenowith become the worst squads put together by KU in the past 20 years, but neither player even came close to reaching their potential.  Gregory and Chenowith have combined for 0 NBA games to this date.

[JoeWolf1]

 Predecessors

Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz

Successors

Kenny Gregory and Eric Chenowith

After putting together a dominant 1997-1998 season where they didn’t live up to hopes losing to eventual champion Arizona in the NCAA tournament Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz were both drafted in the top 10 of the 1998 NBA draft.  Two McDonald All-American’s who both had solid freshman seasons were expected to step in and become the next duo of future lottery picks to lead the Jayhawks back to the top of the NCAA.  Instead not only did the KU teams lead by Gregory and Chenowith become the worst squads put together by KU in the past 20 years, but neither player even came close to reaching their potential.  Gregory and Chenowith have combined for 0 NBA games to this date.

[JoeWolf1]

 Predecessors

Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz

Successors

Kenny Gregory and Eric Chenowith

After putting together a dominant 1997-1998 season where they didn’t live up to hopes losing to eventual champion Arizona in the NCAA tournament Paul Pierce and Raef LaFrentz were both drafted in the top 10 of the 1998 NBA draft.  Two McDonald All-American’s who both had solid freshman seasons were expected to step in and become the next duo of future lottery picks to lead the Jayhawks back to the top of the NCAA.  Instead not only did the KU teams lead by Gregory and Chenowith become the worst squads put together by KU in the past 20 years, but neither player even came close to reaching their potential.  Gregory and Chenowith have combined for 0 NBA games to this date.

[surveParticipant]

thanks for the contrib…all points are excellent except that the latter were not as highly regarded as the former.  all 4 were highly touted, but Pierce was top 10 recruit and the year before LaFrentz was in between the top 10-20.  Gregory and Chenowith were never ranked that high but I agree there were high expectations for them. Plus 1 for good thinking.

Kenny Gregory was probably the first time I realized that having elite athleticism still may not get you to the NBA. Gregory’s combine totals were off the charts and he still didnt get drafted!

[surveParticipant]

thanks for the contrib…all points are excellent except that the latter were not as highly regarded as the former.  all 4 were highly touted, but Pierce was top 10 recruit and the year before LaFrentz was in between the top 10-20.  Gregory and Chenowith were never ranked that high but I agree there were high expectations for them. Plus 1 for good thinking.

Kenny Gregory was probably the first time I realized that having elite athleticism still may not get you to the NBA. Gregory’s combine totals were off the charts and he still didnt get drafted!

[surveParticipant]

thanks for the contrib…all points are excellent except that the latter were not as highly regarded as the former.  all 4 were highly touted, but Pierce was top 10 recruit and the year before LaFrentz was in between the top 10-20.  Gregory and Chenowith were never ranked that high but I agree there were high expectations for them. Plus 1 for good thinking.

Kenny Gregory was probably the first time I realized that having elite athleticism still may not get you to the NBA. Gregory’s combine totals were off the charts and he still didnt get drafted!

[aamir543Participant]

Jon Sheyer-HS Classmates- Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Michael Conley, Brandon Wright, Hasheem Thabeet

Kyrie Irving-HS Classmates- Jared Sullenger, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones

I know this probably isn’t a popular one, but Shceyer was a solid 4 year starter, and Irving was a highly touted recruit, so I could see this as possibly being one.

[aamir543Participant]

Jon Sheyer-HS Classmates- Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Michael Conley, Brandon Wright, Hasheem Thabeet

Kyrie Irving-HS Classmates- Jared Sullenger, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones

I know this probably isn’t a popular one, but Shceyer was a solid 4 year starter, and Irving was a highly touted recruit, so I could see this as possibly being one.

[aamir543Participant]

Jon Sheyer-HS Classmates- Greg Oden, Kevin Durant, Michael Conley, Brandon Wright, Hasheem Thabeet

Kyrie Irving-HS Classmates- Jared Sullenger, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones

I know this probably isn’t a popular one, but Shceyer was a solid 4 year starter, and Irving was a highly touted recruit, so I could see this as possibly being one.

[surveParticipant]

no, bad example, doesnt go with the format…you wouldve been better off saying Austin Rivers as the successor to Kyrie Irving…but that wouldnt work because Rivers hasnt played a game at Duke yet.  About the only thing that fits with that selection is the fact that people expected Duke to be a better team than the previous year.

Scheyer was not highly touted like Irving, plus him playing PG had more to do with the lineup they had with Nolan Smith on the floor.  Put it like this….if Scheyer had a year remaining, Irving would not have been his successor, he wouldve been his replacement….you follow me?  Irving wouldve been the best player on the team regardless and wouldve started even if they had to go to a 3 guard lineup.  Irving was #1 NBA pick, Scheyer undrafted.  If he plays one game for the Cavs he will have a better pro career than Scheyer.  In a few years, people will forget who preceeded Irving as PG at Duke.

[surveParticipant]

no, bad example, doesnt go with the format…you wouldve been better off saying Austin Rivers as the successor to Kyrie Irving…but that wouldnt work because Rivers hasnt played a game at Duke yet.  About the only thing that fits with that selection is the fact that people expected Duke to be a better team than the previous year.

Scheyer was not highly touted like Irving, plus him playing PG had more to do with the lineup they had with Nolan Smith on the floor.  Put it like this….if Scheyer had a year remaining, Irving would not have been his successor, he wouldve been his replacement….you follow me?  Irving wouldve been the best player on the team regardless and wouldve started even if they had to go to a 3 guard lineup.  Irving was #1 NBA pick, Scheyer undrafted.  If he plays one game for the Cavs he will have a better pro career than Scheyer.  In a few years, people will forget who preceeded Irving as PG at Duke.

[surveParticipant]

no, bad example, doesnt go with the format…you wouldve been better off saying Austin Rivers as the successor to Kyrie Irving…but that wouldnt work because Rivers hasnt played a game at Duke yet.  About the only thing that fits with that selection is the fact that people expected Duke to be a better team than the previous year.

Scheyer was not highly touted like Irving, plus him playing PG had more to do with the lineup they had with Nolan Smith on the floor.  Put it like this….if Scheyer had a year remaining, Irving would not have been his successor, he wouldve been his replacement….you follow me?  Irving wouldve been the best player on the team regardless and wouldve started even if they had to go to a 3 guard lineup.  Irving was #1 NBA pick, Scheyer undrafted.  If he plays one game for the Cavs he will have a better pro career than Scheyer.  In a few years, people will forget who preceeded Irving as PG at Duke.

[surveParticipant]

a better example would be Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter being the immediate successors to Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse.

Stackhouse and Wallace were sometimes ranked as #1 and 2 coming out of HS, both consensus top 3 with Randy Livingston in the mix.  Carter was a top #5-10 recruit and Jamison was more top 15-20 recruit.

they all had very good NBA careers.

Stack and Sheed came out with notable NBA players such as Ray Allen, Joe Smith, Antonio McDyess, Erick Dampier

Vince and Twan came out with KG, Pierce, Marbury, and Billups

Vince and Twan had extremely large shoes to fill with Stack and Sheed going pro and being the number 3 and 4 picks respectively.  Stack and Sheed were dynamic in college, but their NBA game was much more ready than their lesser touted successors.  Carter in particular.

Stack and Sheed had a very good freshman year playing on a loaded UNC team. … but the following year, they were expected to take over and that they did.    The following year, everyone was looking for those voids to be filled and expectations were unfairly high, particularly given that Carter was a very raw player who was primarily known as a freak athlete.

Jamison had an impressive rookie campaign.  Carter did not average in double figures however and struggled learning Dean Smith’s system.  The following season, Jamison was even better and Carter improved and UNC enjoyed great success.  In their final season, Jamison was unstoppable on his POY run averaging 22ppg and 10rpg.  Vince Carter was noticably different however….now his game was more well rounded.  Offensively he was more complete.  His defense and ballhandling had improved dramatically as well.  UNC went on a monumental run that year and finished with an overall record of 34-4.  Subsequently, Twan and Vince followed their predecessors into the NBA and were drafted 4th and 5th respectively.

Some of their post college career highlights…

Stack:

• 2x NBA All Star
• led the league in points in 2001 and was 2nd in scoring average at 29.8ppg

Sheed:

• 4x NBA All Star
• NBA Champion

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Twan:

• 2x NBA All Star
• 6th Man of the Year (2004)

Vince:

• 8x NBA All Star
• NBA ROY
• Slam Dunk Contest Champion

 

 

 

[surveParticipant]

a better example would be Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter being the immediate successors to Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse.

Stackhouse and Wallace were sometimes ranked as #1 and 2 coming out of HS, both consensus top 3 with Randy Livingston in the mix.  Carter was a top #5-10 recruit and Jamison was more top 15-20 recruit.

they all had very good NBA careers.

Stack and Sheed came out with notable NBA players such as Ray Allen, Joe Smith, Antonio McDyess, Erick Dampier

Vince and Twan came out with KG, Pierce, Marbury, and Billups

Vince and Twan had extremely large shoes to fill with Stack and Sheed going pro and being the number 3 and 4 picks respectively.  Stack and Sheed were dynamic in college, but their NBA game was much more ready than their lesser touted successors.  Carter in particular.

Stack and Sheed had a very good freshman year playing on a loaded UNC team. … but the following year, they were expected to take over and that they did.    The following year, everyone was looking for those voids to be filled and expectations were unfairly high, particularly given that Carter was a very raw player who was primarily known as a freak athlete.

Jamison had an impressive rookie campaign.  Carter did not average in double figures however and struggled learning Dean Smith’s system.  The following season, Jamison was even better and Carter improved and UNC enjoyed great success.  In their final season, Jamison was unstoppable on his POY run averaging 22ppg and 10rpg.  Vince Carter was noticably different however….now his game was more well rounded.  Offensively he was more complete.  His defense and ballhandling had improved dramatically as well.  UNC went on a monumental run that year and finished with an overall record of 34-4.  Subsequently, Twan and Vince followed their predecessors into the NBA and were drafted 4th and 5th respectively.

Some of their post college career highlights…

Stack:

• 2x NBA All Star
• led the league in points in 2001 and was 2nd in scoring average at 29.8ppg

Sheed:

• 4x NBA All Star
• NBA Champion

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Twan:

• 2x NBA All Star
• 6th Man of the Year (2004)

Vince:

• 8x NBA All Star
• NBA ROY
• Slam Dunk Contest Champion

 

 

 

[surveParticipant]

a better example would be Antawn Jamison and Vince Carter being the immediate successors to Rasheed Wallace and Jerry Stackhouse.

Stackhouse and Wallace were sometimes ranked as #1 and 2 coming out of HS, both consensus top 3 with Randy Livingston in the mix.  Carter was a top #5-10 recruit and Jamison was more top 15-20 recruit.

they all had very good NBA careers.

Stack and Sheed came out with notable NBA players such as Ray Allen, Joe Smith, Antonio McDyess, Erick Dampier

Vince and Twan came out with KG, Pierce, Marbury, and Billups

Vince and Twan had extremely large shoes to fill with Stack and Sheed going pro and being the number 3 and 4 picks respectively.  Stack and Sheed were dynamic in college, but their NBA game was much more ready than their lesser touted successors.  Carter in particular.

Stack and Sheed had a very good freshman year playing on a loaded UNC team. … but the following year, they were expected to take over and that they did.    The following year, everyone was looking for those voids to be filled and expectations were unfairly high, particularly given that Carter was a very raw player who was primarily known as a freak athlete.

Jamison had an impressive rookie campaign.  Carter did not average in double figures however and struggled learning Dean Smith’s system.  The following season, Jamison was even better and Carter improved and UNC enjoyed great success.  In their final season, Jamison was unstoppable on his POY run averaging 22ppg and 10rpg.  Vince Carter was noticably different however….now his game was more well rounded.  Offensively he was more complete.  His defense and ballhandling had improved dramatically as well.  UNC went on a monumental run that year and finished with an overall record of 34-4.  Subsequently, Twan and Vince followed their predecessors into the NBA and were drafted 4th and 5th respectively.

Some of their post college career highlights…

Stack:

• 2x NBA All Star
• led the league in points in 2001 and was 2nd in scoring average at 29.8ppg

Sheed:

• 4x NBA All Star
• NBA Champion

_______________________________________________________________________________________

Twan:

• 2x NBA All Star
• 6th Man of the Year (2004)

Vince:

• 8x NBA All Star
• NBA ROY
• Slam Dunk Contest Champion

 

 

 

[Allen_Iverson_3Participant]

He’s just signed for French team Aubenas, playing in fourth division, after, if I’m not mistaken, a break of seven years. Pretty surprising eh?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/361/player?r=1

[Allen_Iverson_3Participant]

He’s just signed for French team Aubenas, playing in fourth division, after, if I’m not mistaken, a break of seven years. Pretty surprising eh?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/361/player?r=1

[Allen_Iverson_3Participant]

He’s just signed for French team Aubenas, playing in fourth division, after, if I’m not mistaken, a break of seven years. Pretty surprising eh?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nba/361/player?r=1

[surveParticipant]

interesting…he loves the game obviously.

[surveParticipant]

interesting…he loves the game obviously.

[surveParticipant]

interesting…he loves the game obviously.

[surveParticipant]

Carlos Boozer was the immediate successor to Elton Brand, but Brand may have been slightly higher in regard than Boozer coming out of HS.  Who has been the better pro?

[surveParticipant]

Carlos Boozer was the immediate successor to Elton Brand, but Brand may have been slightly higher in regard than Boozer coming out of HS.  Who has been the better pro?

[surveParticipant]

Carlos Boozer was the immediate successor to Elton Brand, but Brand may have been slightly higher in regard than Boozer coming out of HS.  Who has been the better pro?

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I think Brand has definitely been the better pro. He was pretty dominant on some of those Clipper teams and even managed to take them to the playoffs. He was a great low post scorer, probably even better than Boozer, and unlike Boozer he played great Defense. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I think Brand has definitely been the better pro. He was pretty dominant on some of those Clipper teams and even managed to take them to the playoffs. He was a great low post scorer, probably even better than Boozer, and unlike Boozer he played great Defense. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I think Brand has definitely been the better pro. He was pretty dominant on some of those Clipper teams and even managed to take them to the playoffs. He was a great low post scorer, probably even better than Boozer, and unlike Boozer he played great Defense. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 They’ve both had terrific careers. Booz has been a big part of some playoff teams. How many times did Brand make playoffs as a 1st or 2nd option. Also, his D was overrated. He got blocks, but his overall D was lacking. Had he lasted longer, the debate wouldn’t have even been questionable IMO, but with Boozer still going stong and far less expected to be what he is, I’d say Booz atm has had the better career. Prime vs. prime though, Brand’s consistent 20-10-2 easily.

[iguapops420Participant]

 They’ve both had terrific careers. Booz has been a big part of some playoff teams. How many times did Brand make playoffs as a 1st or 2nd option. Also, his D was overrated. He got blocks, but his overall D was lacking. Had he lasted longer, the debate wouldn’t have even been questionable IMO, but with Boozer still going stong and far less expected to be what he is, I’d say Booz atm has had the better career. Prime vs. prime though, Brand’s consistent 20-10-2 easily.

[iguapops420Participant]

 They’ve both had terrific careers. Booz has been a big part of some playoff teams. How many times did Brand make playoffs as a 1st or 2nd option. Also, his D was overrated. He got blocks, but his overall D was lacking. Had he lasted longer, the debate wouldn’t have even been questionable IMO, but with Boozer still going stong and far less expected to be what he is, I’d say Booz atm has had the better career. Prime vs. prime though, Brand’s consistent 20-10-2 easily.

[surveParticipant]

their career numbers are very close…Brand is still not done yet either, as he was more healthy this season and Booz was less.

[surveParticipant]

their career numbers are very close…Brand is still not done yet either, as he was more healthy this season and Booz was less.

[surveParticipant]

their career numbers are very close…Brand is still not done yet either, as he was more healthy this season and Booz was less.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Booz did play 24 games less this year, but even still he managed to put up 17.5 pts and 9.6 rbs in only 31.9 mts wheres as Brand managed all 82 games and put up 15ppg and 8.3 rpg in 34.7 mts. IMO, Booz is still going stronger, but I do agree Brand had a good bounce back year finally. Had he played in more than 37 games out of 164 between 07-09 this argument wouldn’t be so difficult probably. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 Booz did play 24 games less this year, but even still he managed to put up 17.5 pts and 9.6 rbs in only 31.9 mts wheres as Brand managed all 82 games and put up 15ppg and 8.3 rpg in 34.7 mts. IMO, Booz is still going stronger, but I do agree Brand had a good bounce back year finally. Had he played in more than 37 games out of 164 between 07-09 this argument wouldn’t be so difficult probably. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 Booz did play 24 games less this year, but even still he managed to put up 17.5 pts and 9.6 rbs in only 31.9 mts wheres as Brand managed all 82 games and put up 15ppg and 8.3 rpg in 34.7 mts. IMO, Booz is still going stronger, but I do agree Brand had a good bounce back year finally. Had he played in more than 37 games out of 164 between 07-09 this argument wouldn’t be so difficult probably. 

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