[valentine]

Big problem with this forum, extremely annoying, people read the first sentence and think they got the concept and feel an urge to reply to posters to something you HAVE NOT SAID, it is extremely annoying and it happens everytime people get in arguments. I say Jabari will get at least 4 rebounds in the NBA some dude gets like 15 plusses by saying I’m crazy for think he’s only gonna get 4 rebounds when I clearly stated “AT LEAST 4 rebounds. I said Kyrie will lead the league in scoring, some dude gets 11 plusses for dissing me by telling me Curry currently leads the league in ppg at point guard, when I CLEARLY said Irving WILL lead the league in scoring. It is annoying and ignorant. Read before spueing. Please, thank you

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Quit crying.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Quit crying.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Another great basketball contribution by the basketball mastermind flopdownD. (Slow clap)

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Another great basketball contribution by the basketball mastermind flopdownD. (Slow clap)

[MikezParticipant]

Your not wrong, your just not right.

[MikezParticipant]

Your not wrong, your just not right.

[t-loveParticipant]

I do get your point though. If you’re going to respond to someone’s post or neg them, you should at least read it.

[t-loveParticipant]

I do get your point though. If you’re going to respond to someone’s post or neg them, you should at least read it.

[Tim49461Participant]

 I stopped reading after the first sentence.  I knew it was going to be crying from there on out about negatives. Its a forum, who cares if these 14 year old kids give you negatives because you dont agree that Andrew Wiggins is the next Michael Jordan.  92% of the people who post on here never even saw the Jordan ERA and you are pissed because they threw you a few negatives…Boo whoo. Grow up and learn you have self worth beyond a basketball site. 

[Tim49461Participant]

 I stopped reading after the first sentence.  I knew it was going to be crying from there on out about negatives. Its a forum, who cares if these 14 year old kids give you negatives because you dont agree that Andrew Wiggins is the next Michael Jordan.  92% of the people who post on here never even saw the Jordan ERA and you are pissed because they threw you a few negatives…Boo whoo. Grow up and learn you have self worth beyond a basketball site. 

[flopdownD]

I cant care less about points dude, if i did i wouldnt have started a thread about irving being better than Wall, i knew it was bound to get negged, so what??? I just dont like when they twist my words, like you just did.

[flopdownD]

I cant care less about points dude, if i did i wouldnt have started a thread about irving being better than Wall, i knew it was bound to get negged, so what??? I just dont like when they twist my words, like you just did.

[Tim49461Participant]

 You are clearly under the age of 15… So, let me give you a point of advice.  YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING.  everything you think you know..its false.  You are young and naive.  You lack experience and knowledge to formulate proper reasoning and deducing. Sit back and take the L when you are wrong. Best life lesson you will ever get right there.

[Tim49461Participant]

 You are clearly under the age of 15… So, let me give you a point of advice.  YOU DON"T KNOW ANYTHING.  everything you think you know..its false.  You are young and naive.  You lack experience and knowledge to formulate proper reasoning and deducing. Sit back and take the L when you are wrong. Best life lesson you will ever get right there.

[flopdownD]

 Hahaha, bro, i am a basketball mastermind. You want to see my top 15 college prospects 3 games into the season…. Extremely accurate, what i say is The Word.

[flopdownD]

 Hahaha, bro, i am a basketball mastermind. You want to see my top 15 college prospects 3 games into the season…. Extremely accurate, what i say is The Word.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 And this is exactly what gets you negs…

[King CaluchaParticipant]

 And this is exactly what gets you negs…

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Maybe you should understand that any predictions, especially yours, are not fact. When you say such and such happening, such as Kyrie leading PG’s in scoring or making the playoffs, this does not mean it will definitely happen. When those kind of statements are your support for your opinions, you don’t look very legitimate. Long story shirt, predictions are not definite, so don’t use them to defend a point.

Yours truly,

-Stache

 

 

 

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Maybe you should understand that any predictions, especially yours, are not fact. When you say such and such happening, such as Kyrie leading PG’s in scoring or making the playoffs, this does not mean it will definitely happen. When those kind of statements are your support for your opinions, you don’t look very legitimate. Long story shirt, predictions are not definite, so don’t use them to defend a point.

Yours truly,

-Stache

 

 

 

[flopdownD]

I didnt use that as a fact on why Irving is better than Wall, it is an opinion on why I would take Irving over Wall. I expect Irving to put up more than 25ppg in the future, simple as that.

[flopdownD]

I didnt use that as a fact on why Irving is better than Wall, it is an opinion on why I would take Irving over Wall. I expect Irving to put up more than 25ppg in the future, simple as that.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Cool, but you thinking something is going to happen isn’t proof, or support for an opinion, that Kyrie will be better than Wall. 

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Cool, but you thinking something is going to happen isn’t proof, or support for an opinion, that Kyrie will be better than Wall. 

[flopdownD]

 I never said is "proof" and WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IIIISSSSS SUPPORT TO MMMYYY OPINION

[flopdownD]

 I never said is "proof" and WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IIIISSSSS SUPPORT TO MMMYYY OPINION

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 No, it’s not.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 No, it’s not.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

[GrandmamaParticipant]

[flopdownD]

 Go f yourself you useless moron.

[flopdownD]

 Go f yourself you useless moron.

[BajeebzParticipant]

Are you Justin Bieber? This would all make more sense…

[BajeebzParticipant]

Are you Justin Bieber? This would all make more sense…

[TyroberParticipant]

The OP is in a really bad mood. I guess his mom didn’t cut the crust off his sandwiches this morning.

[TyroberParticipant]

The OP is in a really bad mood. I guess his mom didn’t cut the crust off his sandwiches this morning.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Quick, somebody tell him there’s pizza rolls in the oven!

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

 Quick, somebody tell him there’s pizza rolls in the oven!

[flopdownD]

Pizza rolls is for bums. I do Hot Pockets

[flopdownD]

Pizza rolls is for bums. I do Hot Pockets

[MopgrassParticipant]

I’ve never seen someone get 16 negs for liking Hot Pockets. Next time post about how you like Mountain Dew and people might lose their minds.

[MopgrassParticipant]

I’ve never seen someone get 16 negs for liking Hot Pockets. Next time post about how you like Mountain Dew and people might lose their minds.

[flopdownD]

I am not in a bad mood, just dont like my words getting twisted in arguments and getting gifs where i am getting flick off by a poster who doesnt know ish about basketball.

Trust me, i am about to get picked up by a friend and smoke out of my 700 dollar volcano, i am as happy as they come.

I dont know bout you but i dont get mad because this website.

[flopdownD]

I am not in a bad mood, just dont like my words getting twisted in arguments and getting gifs where i am getting flick off by a poster who doesnt know ish about basketball.

Trust me, i am about to get picked up by a friend and smoke out of my 700 dollar volcano, i am as happy as they come.

I dont know bout you but i dont get mad because this website.

[the I in winParticipant]

"I am about to get picked up by a friend and smoke out of my 700 dollar volcano, I am as happy as they come."

A.) picked up because your not old enough to drive

B.) unless your mom bought you that volcano it isn’t yours and if your mom paid $700 she got taken for a ride (mine was $300)

[the I in winParticipant]

"I am about to get picked up by a friend and smoke out of my 700 dollar volcano, I am as happy as they come."

A.) picked up because your not old enough to drive

B.) unless your mom bought you that volcano it isn’t yours and if your mom paid $700 she got taken for a ride (mine was $300)

[flopdownD]

 Assuming. i am 22 with 2 jobs and school. There is money in the restaurant bussiness, i make over 2300 a month on 60 hrs a week. Happy as HELL with my job, i am the barista of one of the best reastaurants in miami and have worked for some of the best Chefs in florida period, which will help my hospitality career. Digital volcano with easy valve set is 650$, which i saved up for. Now, with tax return i lease my own car and move out of my moms house soon with the money ive been saving.

dont worry about me bro, im good.

[flopdownD]

 Assuming. i am 22 with 2 jobs and school. There is money in the restaurant bussiness, i make over 2300 a month on 60 hrs a week. Happy as HELL with my job, i am the barista of one of the best reastaurants in miami and have worked for some of the best Chefs in florida period, which will help my hospitality career. Digital volcano with easy valve set is 650$, which i saved up for. Now, with tax return i lease my own car and move out of my moms house soon with the money ive been saving.

dont worry about me bro, im good.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

PROPS. I love good food and willing to pay on ocassion for excepional food. 60 hrs is a bitsh though. 

[flopdownD]

Not doing school just yet, took a brake from it after failing business calculus 3 times in a row. Now i have to pay 1300$ to retake as opposd to 500$. So i decided to take a brake because calc. and an elective is all missing for my AA. and i was sick from it, now im starting back up next semester, working hours will have to drop though because i cant fail calc again.

[flopdownD]

Not doing school just yet, took a brake from it after failing business calculus 3 times in a row. Now i have to pay 1300$ to retake as opposd to 500$. So i decided to take a brake because calc. and an elective is all missing for my AA. and i was sick from it, now im starting back up next semester, working hours will have to drop though because i cant fail calc again.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

PROPS. I love good food and willing to pay on ocassion for excepional food. 60 hrs is a bitsh though. 

[HallstromParticipant]

B*tches in his hood be like: “WOW!”

[HallstromParticipant]

B*tches in his hood be like: “WOW!”

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Hmm, why is it that Internet trolls always claim to be successful in real life and have a lot going for themselves?

Working 60hrs a week and going to school, yet you spend hours on a daily basis trolling these threads?

Seems legit.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

Majority of us that do work, work 40 hrs and plus hours, but come on this as a hobby. Hopefully, if your above 18.  Hey, we need some sanity somewhere.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

Majority of us that do work, work 40 hrs and plus hours, but come on this as a hobby. Hopefully, if your above 18.  Hey, we need some sanity somewhere.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

For me personnally dont find it that hard to believe. A lot of friends and me including did 60hrs for a good period of time when we younger. 

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

For me personnally dont find it that hard to believe. A lot of friends and me including did 60hrs for a good period of time when we younger. 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Hmm, why is it that Internet trolls always claim to be successful in real life and have a lot going for themselves?

Working 60hrs a week and going to school, yet you spend hours on a daily basis trolling these threads?

Seems legit.

[LitteringAnd…Participant]

Listen mate, you’ve got to be less agressive on here and then people might respect your opinions. You’re right, the replyer did miss read what you said; but that’s beside the point. Angry, agressive, brazen "I’ll show you all" kind of posts just make you seem childish. This is supposed to be a place where we can all discuss current and future NBA topics without feeling like it’s a bunch of teenagers playing dodgeball. 

 

 

  

[LitteringAnd…Participant]

Listen mate, you’ve got to be less agressive on here and then people might respect your opinions. You’re right, the replyer did miss read what you said; but that’s beside the point. Angry, agressive, brazen "I’ll show you all" kind of posts just make you seem childish. This is supposed to be a place where we can all discuss current and future NBA topics without feeling like it’s a bunch of teenagers playing dodgeball. 

 

 

  

[t-loveParticipant]

 Seriously, have you ever heard of a logical fallacy? Your reasoning is littered with them.

[t-loveParticipant]

 Seriously, have you ever heard of a logical fallacy? Your reasoning is littered with them.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

 how many people does it take to disagree with this guy. No need to pile on wood to the fire especially if you are going to throw insults. Insults are just as bad as assumptions about basketball, they are based on personal opinion. Everybody should grow up and stop  letting these online arguement that dont amount too anything go on so long and get personal.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

 how many people does it take to disagree with this guy. No need to pile on wood to the fire especially if you are going to throw insults. Insults are just as bad as assumptions about basketball, they are based on personal opinion. Everybody should grow up and stop  letting these online arguement that dont amount too anything go on so long and get personal.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

 how many people does it take to disagree with this guy. No need to pile on wood to the fire especially if you are going to throw insults. Insults are just as bad as assumptions about basketball, they are based on personal opinion. Everybody should grow up and stop  letting these online arguement that dont amount too anything go on so long and get personal.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

 how many people does it take to disagree with this guy. No need to pile on wood to the fire especially if you are going to throw insults. Insults are just as bad as assumptions about basketball, they are based on personal opinion. Everybody should grow up and stop  letting these online arguement that dont amount too anything go on so long and get personal.

[flopdownD]

 The thing is, i think Kyrie is better than Wall, and everybody who thinks so is hiding…. Not me.

i was the one who started getting insults because i must agree Wall is better than Irving or i dont know anything about basketball because facts say Wall is better. Well when i said Irving was better than Wall his rookie year i gto this same amount of hate, then everyone hopped in the bandwagon. Now everyone is on the Wall bangwagon again and its happening all over again.

it is my opinion and you want stir me away from it. I would take Kyrie over Wall, simple. Based on my own opinions if you want to call it tht, yes. Irving over Wall

[flopdownD]

 The thing is, i think Kyrie is better than Wall, and everybody who thinks so is hiding…. Not me.

i was the one who started getting insults because i must agree Wall is better than Irving or i dont know anything about basketball because facts say Wall is better. Well when i said Irving was better than Wall his rookie year i gto this same amount of hate, then everyone hopped in the bandwagon. Now everyone is on the Wall bangwagon again and its happening all over again.

it is my opinion and you want stir me away from it. I would take Kyrie over Wall, simple. Based on my own opinions if you want to call it tht, yes. Irving over Wall

[LitteringAnd…Participant]

 Look, I do think the facts point to Wall being better *at the moment* but good on you for backing your opinion, that’s cool, that’s what makes it *your* opinion. 

However, I don’t think who is on which bandwagon has anything to do with it. I agree those kind of fans exist but simply looking at the stats and play level, both individually and on a team level tell you Kyrie did have a better rookie year than Wall, you’re right there; but Wall is a little better at the moment. 

Now here’s my two cents:

Currently Wall is playing a little better than Kyrie (a few more assists, one more steal per game) but their PERs are 20.0 and 20.2 respectively. I don’t agree with the suggestion that Wall is miles better but what people are reading into is that he is looking more confident, not getting benched in fourth quarters, and particularly *his team is winning*. He is facilitating the offense and playing above average D while leading a team of solid role playing starters to a winning percentage. A couple of key stats to illustrate this difference are deffensive rating and defensive win shares. which for these guys sit at 103/110 and 2.4/0.8 for JW/KI respectively. Kyrie gives up a high PER to opposing PG’s too (sorry I can’t find the exact stat, anyone?). Defense can make you elite and WILL help your team win (ask Paul George). 

I think most of Kyrie’s percieved failings (by comparison to Wall) come from the fact that the Cavs are in disarray, have been dismally managed and have a lot of chemistry and player attitude issues that the Wizards don’t. Individually Kyrie still has the potential to be a top 5-10 guy in this league but without a minor miracle, a pretty extensive Cavs rebuild, or him leaving, he’s not going to be winning any time soon. And really that’s what being a good player is most frequently judged on.    

All stats per Basketball Refrence! Cheers for reading. 

 

  

 

 

 

[LitteringAnd…Participant]

 Look, I do think the facts point to Wall being better *at the moment* but good on you for backing your opinion, that’s cool, that’s what makes it *your* opinion. 

However, I don’t think who is on which bandwagon has anything to do with it. I agree those kind of fans exist but simply looking at the stats and play level, both individually and on a team level tell you Kyrie did have a better rookie year than Wall, you’re right there; but Wall is a little better at the moment. 

Now here’s my two cents:

Currently Wall is playing a little better than Kyrie (a few more assists, one more steal per game) but their PERs are 20.0 and 20.2 respectively. I don’t agree with the suggestion that Wall is miles better but what people are reading into is that he is looking more confident, not getting benched in fourth quarters, and particularly *his team is winning*. He is facilitating the offense and playing above average D while leading a team of solid role playing starters to a winning percentage. A couple of key stats to illustrate this difference are deffensive rating and defensive win shares. which for these guys sit at 103/110 and 2.4/0.8 for JW/KI respectively. Kyrie gives up a high PER to opposing PG’s too (sorry I can’t find the exact stat, anyone?). Defense can make you elite and WILL help your team win (ask Paul George). 

I think most of Kyrie’s percieved failings (by comparison to Wall) come from the fact that the Cavs are in disarray, have been dismally managed and have a lot of chemistry and player attitude issues that the Wizards don’t. Individually Kyrie still has the potential to be a top 5-10 guy in this league but without a minor miracle, a pretty extensive Cavs rebuild, or him leaving, he’s not going to be winning any time soon. And really that’s what being a good player is most frequently judged on.    

All stats per Basketball Refrence! Cheers for reading. 

 

  

 

 

 

[tytan23Participant]

You get insults because you think that whatever you say about a subject is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, not because you like Kyrie more. You come off a tad arrogant.

You get people disagreeing with you because you started a topic comparing player A with player B. People are not hoping on the Wall bandwagon they are merely choosing 1 player over another. This is called having an opinion, and just like you they try to support there opinion as best as they can, with whatever information is relevant to them.

[tytan23Participant]

You get insults because you think that whatever you say about a subject is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, not because you like Kyrie more. You come off a tad arrogant.

You get people disagreeing with you because you started a topic comparing player A with player B. People are not hoping on the Wall bandwagon they are merely choosing 1 player over another. This is called having an opinion, and just like you they try to support there opinion as best as they can, with whatever information is relevant to them.

[HallstromParticipant]

No more Internet for you tonight, buddy…

[HallstromParticipant]

No more Internet for you tonight, buddy…

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Ok, the way flop came about it was wrong in this setting. However, I believe if Kyrie switched places with Wall he would do just as good or better. Kyrie hasnt played happy all year.  I cant blame the kid. Look at the clown of a coach and gm the team has. One would think a team would get better with all these picks.

[flopdownD]

Absolutely agreed. Kyrie is a superior bb player.

[flopdownD]

Absolutely agreed. Kyrie is a superior bb player.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

 Ok, the way flop came about it was wrong in this setting. However, I believe if Kyrie switched places with Wall he would do just as good or better. Kyrie hasnt played happy all year.  I cant blame the kid. Look at the clown of a coach and gm the team has. One would think a team would get better with all these picks.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

Ok, peace guys. Im trying to come up with an excuse why im not going into work tomorrow. Because i am not going in tomorrow. Falk that sh/t im tired.

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

Ok, peace guys. Im trying to come up with an excuse why im not going into work tomorrow. Because i am not going in tomorrow. Falk that sh/t im tired.

[rob327Participant]

Its spewing. Shame on everyone who didn’t correct that

[t-loveParticipant]

but I noticed the misspelling immediately. Props for not sitting idly by as society grows increasingly ignorant.

[t-loveParticipant]

but I noticed the misspelling immediately. Props for not sitting idly by as society grows increasingly ignorant.

[rob327Participant]

Its spewing. Shame on everyone who didn’t correct that

[kanuflengParticipant]

hey guys! lets just watch the game tomorrow Cleveland @ Washington! gonna be exciting to see this with both guys healthy!

[kanuflengParticipant]

hey guys! lets just watch the game tomorrow Cleveland @ Washington! gonna be exciting to see this with both guys healthy!

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