[Bankroll PJParticipant]

 I got blasted on here (-36 to be exact) for insisting that Steph Curry is the 4th best PG in NBA right after the finals.  I want to bring this up again because once again he has come up short in a big moment.  I understand he was hurt in the finals and has never played well on Christmas, but I still think the debate needs to be opened up. I stand by my previous stance that Kyrie, Russell Westbrook, and Damian Lillard are all better than Steph Curry. 

Can we open up this debate now or is Steph still the clear frontrunner for best PG in the NBA? I have no problem with anyone saying Steph is still the best but all I’m saying is that issa debate

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 As far as basketball IQ I’m still gunna go with Curry. With Westbrook coming in a close second. Kyrie has proved he has taken another step forward but isn’t a true PG imo. Took him this long to get a career high 13 assists..

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

 Lol this brings me to another point: Why is it that PG is the only position that people want to be static? You hear "true PG" all the time but you never hear it for other positions. Dirk doesn’t play like the traditional PF, but nobody ever said "Dirk isn’t a true PF" to diminish his effectiveness at his position. Porzingas, Draymond Green, and KAT don’t play like the traditional big men, but nobody is saying they aren’t "true bigmen" The state of the game along with its positions and players is dynamic.  Every position has guys with completely different play styles, yet with the PG position you aren’t a "true PG" if you’re a dynamic scorer? This puzzles me.  

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Because a point guard dictates the game like no other position. If a PG would rather get his the whole game it hurts the team more than any other position. If you are a PG you have te responsibility to know every play from every position. You dictate the speed of the game on defense and offense. You are the coaches right hand. You are the most important position on the court.

[Hype Machine]

 lol I wish I could give -36 for superchronics comment.

[holefillers1Participant]

 How many profiles have you created?

[Hype Machine]

Just Hype and now defunct Rip.

It cant be too difficult to spot imposters as my posts have a somewhat unique style about them.

 Why?

 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

"True Pgs" are going extinct in this league. Being such is not anymore a basis for superiority for point guards.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

 seems to me steph gets a bit overhyped for his matchup with other elite guards and get caught up in the moment..and he tries too many fancy passes and try to make the too spectacular plays..coaches noticed it and take advantage of it…especially coaches with guards as offensively talented as kyrie….

 the cavs did yesterday and in gm 7 of the finals…like coach kerr said he has to play smarter….i’ll still take curry,cp3 & westbrook over any other pgs in the league…..

[D7H7NParticipant]

It depends on what metric you want to evaluate him as a point guard. Just saying PG is misleading since the position encompasses a wide variety of things now. CP3 is the best floor general, Harden and Westbrook are more dynamic players, Kyrie is the most clutch, Curry is the best shooter and probably the most oppressive on offense since he contorts defenses just crossing halfcourt without needing the ball in his hands. 

[binetParticipant]

 Steph Curry is the most underrated right now.

His team is too good so you forget how good he is. 

Kyrie and Cleveland would not be a playoff team without LeBron James. It’s beyond disrespect to pick Kyrie over someone who has been the only player arguably as good as LeBron the last two or three years.

Curry changed the way teams are playing basketball and people like us are scouting guards and players, none of the guys you say are better do. 

Only debate is whether Curry is better or not than LeBron at this point.

 

 

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

To answer your last sentence, no he’s not. He’s not even the best player on his team anymore. He’s one of the best in the league, but definitely not better than Lebron

[losnopesosParticipant]

Steph has trouble maintaining a drive to win IMO.  

[Hype Machine]

Curry is good, its just that the Cavs are a bad matchup for him.

If he gets switched onto either Lebron or Kyrie he gets utterly abused and its an automatic bucket. And they look for the switch relentlessly.

Hes amongst the weakest players in the league and Irving and Lebron amongst the strongest ball handlers.

 

He loses energy and confidence and it affects his offense.

Against lesser teams hes unstoppable though and deserved his MVPs.

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

but he’s like a little lamb when you have to play against Football style defense that Cleveland brings and its due to Lebron’s intensity.

I respect Curry on defense because he uses his intelligence to position himself in spots that deter the offensive player.  Basically, he uses his size to a maximum.

On offense, he curls up into a ball.  As soon as the going gets tough, he just falls asleep, finds a corner to hide in.  I respect Durant for even though I find him to be "soft" at times, he really upped his game.  All curry did was hit 1 three pointer and he was making stupid faces like "i’ve arrived"…one three pointer.

I respect curry a lot, but I wonder why he thinks he can celebrate one big 3 even now.  I mean your team lost after being up 3-1, you shoudln’t celebrate 1 3 pointer especially after making some really bad turnovers.

Yes, Curry is a clutch shooter.  But I really expected a lot more out of him during the Finals, I was wondering where he went.

The guy that was Mr. Bigtime in the 4th quarter throughout the finals in 2015, while Lebrong was Mr. Facilitator, literally disappeared in the 2016 Finals, and he did the same this game.

 

 

 

 

  

[jjj10manParticipant]

 Kyrie Irving and Damieon Lillard are 2 of the worst defensive guards in the league so they automatically are no comparison to Steph. If anything, Steph is the most underrated player in the league because of statement like he’s "the 4th best PG". Like seriously, no one has ever done this to anyother superstar. He’s clearly no comparison to anyone except Westbrook and still is the best PG having a off season.

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

 No other superstar gets taken out of the game in clutch moments because the coach doesn’t trust him as a defender….

[Dale WorthingtonParticipant]

You got that right.

It blows my mind that NBA fans consistently ignore defense when evaluating players.

Kyrie and Lillard are ATROCIOUS defensively.

There are 86 PGs in the NBA (bench warmers included).

Kyrie is 70th in DRPM and Lillard is 82nd in DRPM.

You fellows do realize a basket saved = a basket made, right?

[BeastMode716Participant]

 & every team & every player has weaknesses.

 The Championship winning teams are able to mitigate their weaknesses to a certain extent while exploiting those of the opponent.

In short, it’s all about the match ups. That’s why Analytics are extremely important in establishing patterns over long periods of time but in a 7 game playoff series they don’t necessarily hold up.

W/ Bogut & Barnes gone Cleveland is going to be a hellacious match up for Golden State in the Finals & San Antonio (who Golden State has not played in the playoffs the last 2 years) is also a brutal match up.

I luv Steph Curry & he’s one of the great players of our time but dealing w/ an ultra athletic guard who can finish at the rim is something he struggles with b/c it wears him down over 7 games.

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 The Warriors can outscore ANYBODY — even the Cavs.  I think Javale at center was working — he had a dunk, a few alley oop attempts where he got hacked and some rebounds — and they kind of went away from that.  The other Gabor sister, err, ZaZa Pachulia wasn’t working AT ALL.  Not sure what he does, but they still stubbornly play him…  They need to get away from him.

Then Dray psychs himself out.  They need to get him going on offense EARLY.  KD is the top dog, Steph is the 2nd option, then I would have Draymond Green as the Z Bo-style, post-up/high post/mid-range jumper 3rd option scorer.  Let Klay find his rhythm slowly then blow teams out of the gym later in the game.

USE IGGY MORE in the death lineup of death.  The Big Four plus Iggy.  Or, you can keep Javale and Draymond in there, put Iggy at small forward to give Kevin Durant a rest.  Iggy is losing some steps quickly, you gotta surround him with top-notch talent (and your bench is basically worthless).

If you rest KD early, while you get the rest of the guys going, then Iggy gets in there and they don’t miss a thing.  Let Iggy guard one of the top perimeter guys, get him some spot up 3’s, and let him run some of the offense, too.  Run that unit into the ground, then go with your rotation of Kevin Durant with 4 of your subs. Livingston is your primary ball handler, a great pass first point guard, and a guy with a killer post up game and mid-range shot.  Let Ian Clark do whatever he does.  Then let David West board and post up at the 4.  Either go with Pachulia at the 5 or go smaller with Loony (or McAdoo wherever he is) as the extra rebounder and enforcer.

The Warriors need Durant as the closer, so they have to limit his minutes a bit earlier in the game.

 

 

 

 

[MatosParticipant]

Throw some respect on CP3’s name. He’s top 2 floor generals if not the best. He controls the pace of the game and covers his man very well.

Now in regards to best players at the 1 spot, there are three players above the rest:

Curry, Westbrook, and Harden (not particularly in that order)

After that you can mention Kyrie, Dame, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Cp3 has yet to make a finals. How many conference finals has he had? Curious?

[jjj10manParticipant]

 Curry is still a better defender than Kyrie and Lillard even if he is taken out of the game. He was taken out because a 6, 7 defender was put in, doesn’t stop the fact that he leds the league in steals and has defensive rating of 104 compared to Lillard’s abysmal 116.

[MatosParticipant]

 Leading the league in steals has no implication of a player being a good defender. Allen Iverson (love the guy) was not a great defender but lead the league mulptiple times in steals. Curry is not a better defender than Kyrie or Dame.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Iverson when applying himself was a lockdown defender especially by todays standards and for a guy applying so much effort offensively.

[Dale WorthingtonParticipant]

 It’s shocking to me how disrespected Lowry is. I know he looked bad in the postseason but he has been better than Curry this year. As matter of fact, one could make the argument he’s been the best PG in the game this year.

22, 5, and 7, with very good defense…and wait for it, wait for it…44% from 3 and he takes 7 a game!!!

More assists than Curry, better from 3 than Curry, and better defensively than Curry.

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