[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 Dante Exum has been terrible in the FIBA games.  He has barley gotten to play and the one game he did play significant minutes, the team lost.  Should Utah be concerned that this guy cant even get on the floor for Australia? Its not like they are a powerhouse team.  The only NBA guard on the roster is Dellevadova from the Cavs.  Everyone else is unrecognizable.

Cause for concern or is this just the Ausies letting the vets play?

[Rip255]

 Ive seen all of Exum’s games since he got drafted.

He’s not ready for the NBA physically or mentally. However I believe his talent justifies his draft position.

Utah needs a veteran PG for 1 season to soak up minutes as Exum can’t help the team win just yet.

 

[Rip255]

 Ive seen all of Exum’s games since he got drafted.

He’s not ready for the NBA physically or mentally. However I believe his talent justifies his draft position.

Utah needs a veteran PG for 1 season to soak up minutes as Exum can’t help the team win just yet.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 he has very little experience playing vs men.  it wasn’t long ago that he playing against HS kids, in australia.  give him a break. he probably shouldn’t even be on the team given his lack of experience.

[GBeeParticipant]

 he has very little experience playing vs men.  it wasn’t long ago that he playing against HS kids, in australia.  give him a break. he probably shouldn’t even be on the team given his lack of experience.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 I’m no point whore but thats a lot of negs for asking questions during the deadest time in basketball.  Guess it is empowering to hit a pink thumb instead of state your opinions. 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

I didn’t neg you, but I can see why some people might have. Saying that the rest of the Aussie team were unrecognisable? A bit insulting don’t you think? Aron Baynes (Spurs, won a championship), Cam Bairstow (Bulls), are current NBA players. David Andersen and Nathan Jawai have both had a couple of seasons of NBA experience. Sure, I don’t expect you to know Joe Ingles and Brad Newley, who are playing at big teams in Europe, but you might have seen Brock Motum play for Utah in the summer league. 

I usually like your posts as you seem to have a good basketball knowledge. But you came across as a bit ignorant in your post today. Just because you haven’t seen these guys play, doesn’t mean they aren’t currently better than Exum. Broekhoff, for example, is a very good shooter, which is why he played ahead of him. Newley is a slasher who can shoot a bit, but that still puts him way ahead of Exum (Newley was also a second round draft pick of the rockets in ’07). 

I don’t think Utah should worry. Exum might not be ready to play just yet, but he will be good down the track. Utah shouldn’t really be in ‘win now’ mode anyway, especially in the west. They have some time for Exum to develop.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

When i said "everyone else is unrecognizable" i thought i had framed it to mean that the other guard are unknowns.  I know NBA guys but Exum isn’t competing against NBA bigs for PT.  He is competing agains an NBA bench warmer and other national guards that cant make the league.  

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

When i said "everyone else is unrecognizable" i thought i had framed it to mean that the other guard are unknowns.  I know NBA guys but Exum isn’t competing against NBA bigs for PT.  He is competing agains an NBA bench warmer and other national guards that cant make the league.  

[ChoppyParticipant]

I didn’t neg you, but I can see why some people might have. Saying that the rest of the Aussie team were unrecognisable? A bit insulting don’t you think? Aron Baynes (Spurs, won a championship), Cam Bairstow (Bulls), are current NBA players. David Andersen and Nathan Jawai have both had a couple of seasons of NBA experience. Sure, I don’t expect you to know Joe Ingles and Brad Newley, who are playing at big teams in Europe, but you might have seen Brock Motum play for Utah in the summer league. 

I usually like your posts as you seem to have a good basketball knowledge. But you came across as a bit ignorant in your post today. Just because you haven’t seen these guys play, doesn’t mean they aren’t currently better than Exum. Broekhoff, for example, is a very good shooter, which is why he played ahead of him. Newley is a slasher who can shoot a bit, but that still puts him way ahead of Exum (Newley was also a second round draft pick of the rockets in ’07). 

I don’t think Utah should worry. Exum might not be ready to play just yet, but he will be good down the track. Utah shouldn’t really be in ‘win now’ mode anyway, especially in the west. They have some time for Exum to develop.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 I’m no point whore but thats a lot of negs for asking questions during the deadest time in basketball.  Guess it is empowering to hit a pink thumb instead of state your opinions. 

 

[sheepish_moParticipant]

It’s pretty easy to look at a box score and criticize someone.  You have to realise that Dante is 19 and has a lot of growing and weights to do not to mention the fact that he’s hardly played against grown men.  Delladova is currently the better floor general and Broekhoff is a far better shooter than Dante.  Dante was never going to play significant minutes, i mean Ben Simmons didn’t even make the team and he’s arugably our best prospect ever.  When Dante did get some run he definitely showed flashes, his first step and hesitation are top notch and he has no problem getting into the paint.  He does need to improve his decision making, shooting and finishing in traffic but this is a guy who should benefit greatly from some strength training and good coaching.  He was always a high risk high reward type player and i think Utah would be a little nervous and a little excited just like with most 19 year old draftees. 

[sheepish_moParticipant]

It’s pretty easy to look at a box score and criticize someone.  You have to realise that Dante is 19 and has a lot of growing and weights to do not to mention the fact that he’s hardly played against grown men.  Delladova is currently the better floor general and Broekhoff is a far better shooter than Dante.  Dante was never going to play significant minutes, i mean Ben Simmons didn’t even make the team and he’s arugably our best prospect ever.  When Dante did get some run he definitely showed flashes, his first step and hesitation are top notch and he has no problem getting into the paint.  He does need to improve his decision making, shooting and finishing in traffic but this is a guy who should benefit greatly from some strength training and good coaching.  He was always a high risk high reward type player and i think Utah would be a little nervous and a little excited just like with most 19 year old draftees. 

[fundamentalsforfunParticipant]

Australia rarely plays its young players, lety alone selects them, which explains his lack of minutes. the lose to angola had little to do with him in that it was the internal defense which was horrific, not the perimeter.  

He did have some nice drives and actually found it pretty easy to get to the rim when he did play, he just doesnt have the strength yet to finish. This I think will be his biggest weakness this year, along with his jumpshot obviously. He was a pretty good and aggresive defender when out there though, and think I think that he could term into a very respectible pg/sg defender with his lateral quickness.

I will note that the ball did stop a lot when he was the point guard and that the team seemed to operate in a more isolation based style, compared to when delly was in control. saying that his passing and awareness of the open man was pretty impressive considering his age. 

[fundamentalsforfunParticipant]

Australia rarely plays its young players, lety alone selects them, which explains his lack of minutes. the lose to angola had little to do with him in that it was the internal defense which was horrific, not the perimeter.  

He did have some nice drives and actually found it pretty easy to get to the rim when he did play, he just doesnt have the strength yet to finish. This I think will be his biggest weakness this year, along with his jumpshot obviously. He was a pretty good and aggresive defender when out there though, and think I think that he could term into a very respectible pg/sg defender with his lateral quickness.

I will note that the ball did stop a lot when he was the point guard and that the team seemed to operate in a more isolation based style, compared to when delly was in control. saying that his passing and awareness of the open man was pretty impressive considering his age. 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 Exum has struggled but it was the right decision to draft him over pedestrian, lunch pale PFs  like Randle, Vonleh, Gordon. 

[LOFTYParticipant]

Gordon went ahead of him to orlando lol

[LOFTYParticipant]

Gordon went ahead of him to orlando lol

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 Exum has struggled but it was the right decision to draft him over pedestrian, lunch pale PFs  like Randle, Vonleh, Gordon. 

[pe3ucTopParticipant]

I’ve seen all(but one) of his games after the draft, as well. He’s the typical youngster who has all the talent and physical tools to succeed in the future but is simply not ready right now. His play, too, has been what you typically can expect from such players – flashes, bursts, wow-moments, then intimidation from the physicality of the game, insecurity in his play, turnovers due to inexperience, then some more flashes and bursts… rinse and repeat. He’s been inconsistent not only game to game, but also half to half(of the same game) – he had games with 14 points in 19 minutes of play, he also had games with 0/2/4to, he had halves of 10pts/2ast/2rbs(in about 10 mins of play) and the very next half of the same game goes for 0/0/1/3to.

He still has some problems with his conditioning and alot of his troubles in second halves(when he’s gotten a lot of playing time) are due to him simply running out of gas, but in the game vs Angola he seemed to deal with it better. I think his game shape is getting better.

His shot %’s have actually improved in pre-WC and WC play compared to Summer league. It is still not nearly good enough, but I believe the more he gets used to the physicallity of the game, the better his shot and finishing at the rim will become as well.

His burst of speed, vision and passing abilities are quite impressive. His pick and roll play is pretty good, too. What worried me most about his play was his timidity – he seemed to actively avoid the aggressive plays. At first when I’d see him pass to a guy when he had a good chance for a drive to the basket I was thinking – great, he’s being unselfish, but the more I watch him, the more it looks like it’s not only unselfishness, but he’s actually scared to be aggressive. He pretty much has no problem beating his man off the dribble and uses the screens pretty well to free himself up. The problem is that when he does it, he elects to stall and look for open man instead of attacking the rim. This to me was really weird to see, because from what I’ve seen from his play in the U18 games, he was the polar opposite – he was driving to the hoop ot ofat will and he was finishing through contact and drawing a l fouls. I think a lot of it has to do with the clash that he’s experiencing right now with the physicality of men’s basketball, he’s been banged pretty hard in some plays at summer league and international play when trying to get to the hoop and his skinny frame is not used it. I think (or rather hope) that as he gets used to it and as he matures and his body fills up, he’d start using his speed to actually make the aggressive plays that actually earned him a #5 pick.

One thing that is not being talked about a lot actually is his defense and his defensive potential. I think he can be a great defender. Even in those games, even if his offensive play wasn’t up to par, he actually guarded pretty well. His lateral quickness is amazing and if he develops his defensive instincts, footwork and concentration he can be a great defender, especially having in mind his size and his length.

The problem with international play is that coaches want results now, they are not willing to sacrifice immediate results for developing a player and that’s absolutely understandable – international play is about now, team play should be about developing players. That’s one of the reasons he wasn’t getting a lot of playing time – he simply is not ready right now to be a serious contributor in the men’s game.

You mention the game against Angola and say the only game he played serious minutes in, Australia lost. I want to point out that this was by design – they played hard in the first half and they were leading by 15. In the second half they simply threw the game in order to avoid the USA in the 1/4 finals. They simply stopped playing in defense. One of the Angolan players had 30 points in the second half only mainly on fast break where nobody was getting back in defense, or in uncontested drives and dunks or layups. And I want to point out that in the only game he played serious minutes, he actually played pretty well – he even played relatively aggressively and went to the hoop a lot and drew several fouls at the rim. He finished with 12 points and 6 assists.

As a Utah fan, I wouldn’t say I don’t worry about what transpired this summer, but I also wouldn’t put too much into it, having in mind he’s probably the player making the biggest jump in quality of opposition of all players in the draft. If next year at the same time we are having the same conversation and the same doubts, I’d start worrying more seriously about his future, but in all honesty I wouldn’t really expect him to start turning heads until his third year in the league.

[pe3ucTopParticipant]

I’ve seen all(but one) of his games after the draft, as well. He’s the typical youngster who has all the talent and physical tools to succeed in the future but is simply not ready right now. His play, too, has been what you typically can expect from such players – flashes, bursts, wow-moments, then intimidation from the physicality of the game, insecurity in his play, turnovers due to inexperience, then some more flashes and bursts… rinse and repeat. He’s been inconsistent not only game to game, but also half to half(of the same game) – he had games with 14 points in 19 minutes of play, he also had games with 0/2/4to, he had halves of 10pts/2ast/2rbs(in about 10 mins of play) and the very next half of the same game goes for 0/0/1/3to.

He still has some problems with his conditioning and alot of his troubles in second halves(when he’s gotten a lot of playing time) are due to him simply running out of gas, but in the game vs Angola he seemed to deal with it better. I think his game shape is getting better.

His shot %’s have actually improved in pre-WC and WC play compared to Summer league. It is still not nearly good enough, but I believe the more he gets used to the physicallity of the game, the better his shot and finishing at the rim will become as well.

His burst of speed, vision and passing abilities are quite impressive. His pick and roll play is pretty good, too. What worried me most about his play was his timidity – he seemed to actively avoid the aggressive plays. At first when I’d see him pass to a guy when he had a good chance for a drive to the basket I was thinking – great, he’s being unselfish, but the more I watch him, the more it looks like it’s not only unselfishness, but he’s actually scared to be aggressive. He pretty much has no problem beating his man off the dribble and uses the screens pretty well to free himself up. The problem is that when he does it, he elects to stall and look for open man instead of attacking the rim. This to me was really weird to see, because from what I’ve seen from his play in the U18 games, he was the polar opposite – he was driving to the hoop ot ofat will and he was finishing through contact and drawing a l fouls. I think a lot of it has to do with the clash that he’s experiencing right now with the physicality of men’s basketball, he’s been banged pretty hard in some plays at summer league and international play when trying to get to the hoop and his skinny frame is not used it. I think (or rather hope) that as he gets used to it and as he matures and his body fills up, he’d start using his speed to actually make the aggressive plays that actually earned him a #5 pick.

One thing that is not being talked about a lot actually is his defense and his defensive potential. I think he can be a great defender. Even in those games, even if his offensive play wasn’t up to par, he actually guarded pretty well. His lateral quickness is amazing and if he develops his defensive instincts, footwork and concentration he can be a great defender, especially having in mind his size and his length.

The problem with international play is that coaches want results now, they are not willing to sacrifice immediate results for developing a player and that’s absolutely understandable – international play is about now, team play should be about developing players. That’s one of the reasons he wasn’t getting a lot of playing time – he simply is not ready right now to be a serious contributor in the men’s game.

You mention the game against Angola and say the only game he played serious minutes in, Australia lost. I want to point out that this was by design – they played hard in the first half and they were leading by 15. In the second half they simply threw the game in order to avoid the USA in the 1/4 finals. They simply stopped playing in defense. One of the Angolan players had 30 points in the second half only mainly on fast break where nobody was getting back in defense, or in uncontested drives and dunks or layups. And I want to point out that in the only game he played serious minutes, he actually played pretty well – he even played relatively aggressively and went to the hoop a lot and drew several fouls at the rim. He finished with 12 points and 6 assists.

As a Utah fan, I wouldn’t say I don’t worry about what transpired this summer, but I also wouldn’t put too much into it, having in mind he’s probably the player making the biggest jump in quality of opposition of all players in the draft. If next year at the same time we are having the same conversation and the same doubts, I’d start worrying more seriously about his future, but in all honesty I wouldn’t really expect him to start turning heads until his third year in the league.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

 Well, after all these unspectacular performances by Exum, I’m now pretty psyched to see Alec Burks next season. Exum’s play in the world cup confirms that he won’t be getting Burks’ minutes next season because he’s not yet ready. And now without Ty Corbin and Richard Jefferson, Alec Burks will have plenty of playing time to finally show what he is made off. 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

 Well, after all these unspectacular performances by Exum, I’m now pretty psyched to see Alec Burks next season. Exum’s play in the world cup confirms that he won’t be getting Burks’ minutes next season because he’s not yet ready. And now without Ty Corbin and Richard Jefferson, Alec Burks will have plenty of playing time to finally show what he is made off. 

[NeggedAlterEgosAlterEgo]

where are the exum fans now??? trade mcw for exum….exum is going to be better then parker

….every one was hype. over a guy who hasnt played at any top level basketball wise now  you guys are. saying hes not ready…..oh you think?

and sorry to say i dont fault him….they should have let ben simmons play for all that he could have produced atleast what exum did an i wrong?

 

 

[NeggedAlterEgosAlterEgo]

where are the exum fans now??? trade mcw for exum….exum is going to be better then parker

….every one was hype. over a guy who hasnt played at any top level basketball wise now  you guys are. saying hes not ready…..oh you think?

and sorry to say i dont fault him….they should have let ben simmons play for all that he could have produced atleast what exum did an i wrong?

 

 

[NJHooper95Participant]

 This is fiba not the NBA, Have you seen Step Curry and Derrick Rose who have noticably struggled during this tournament. Yet they are two of the nbas best. In fiba the roles and rules are dfferent no need for concern.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 This is fiba not the NBA, Have you seen Step Curry and Derrick Rose who have noticably struggled during this tournament. Yet they are two of the nbas best. In fiba the roles and rules are dfferent no need for concern.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

 It is way to early to make any critques of Utah’s selection of Dante Exum. His potential as a professional is based on his performance against his age group and against other top level competition. This kid was selected for the Australian national team, which always has some very talented and usually veteran-type players. He is competiting against men in practice every day and will continue to do so when he arrives at camp with Utah. Let’s not forget, for months he was considered a lock for the top 5 (Utah seleced him 5th overall) in a very talented and deep draft.

From what I have read, he has a great work ethic and is a very mature young player. He is still a teenager but checked out very well in his interviews with NBA teams. This Salt Lake Tribune article gives some insight into his personality and demeanor while playing:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/58163247-87/exum-jazz-ability-ball.html.csp

Overall, I believe it is way to early to judge Utah’s selection or Exum’s potential as an NBA player. He is not going to be the franchise savior from day one. Realistically, we should give him 3-5 years before we even start considering him a "bust." Let him develop at his own pace, accept coaching, and improve his game as he and his team see fit. I, along with many others, believe he will be a successful NBA player. 

[ballislyfe25Participant]

 It is way to early to make any critques of Utah’s selection of Dante Exum. His potential as a professional is based on his performance against his age group and against other top level competition. This kid was selected for the Australian national team, which always has some very talented and usually veteran-type players. He is competiting against men in practice every day and will continue to do so when he arrives at camp with Utah. Let’s not forget, for months he was considered a lock for the top 5 (Utah seleced him 5th overall) in a very talented and deep draft.

From what I have read, he has a great work ethic and is a very mature young player. He is still a teenager but checked out very well in his interviews with NBA teams. This Salt Lake Tribune article gives some insight into his personality and demeanor while playing:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/58163247-87/exum-jazz-ability-ball.html.csp

Overall, I believe it is way to early to judge Utah’s selection or Exum’s potential as an NBA player. He is not going to be the franchise savior from day one. Realistically, we should give him 3-5 years before we even start considering him a "bust." Let him develop at his own pace, accept coaching, and improve his game as he and his team see fit. I, along with many others, believe he will be a successful NBA player. 

[lalailaParticipant]

Don’t judge on Fiba play with grwon men, especially in world cup..

 

look at my man Jonas Valanciunas drafted in 2011 the same and even the following year he wasn’t that big of impact player, more like back up center, last year he started to be a man and got like 8&6 per game..but it;s still looks nothing special for a guy who after that European tournament played a really good 11ppg 9rpg season in the NBA..

 

and now.. even if I still sad after heartbeating loss to France, Jonas was sensational, 25points today with 14&8 on average in like 24mpg.. hope to see the same jump in the NBA next year..

 

so same might go with Dante his talent is big

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Great example, lalaila.

Another player who comes to mind is Giannis Antetokounmpo. He came off of the bench for Greece in every game, I believe, and he is expected to start for Milwaukee this season. If not start, at least play minimum 25 minutes per game.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Great example, lalaila.

Another player who comes to mind is Giannis Antetokounmpo. He came off of the bench for Greece in every game, I believe, and he is expected to start for Milwaukee this season. If not start, at least play minimum 25 minutes per game.

[lalailaParticipant]

Don’t judge on Fiba play with grwon men, especially in world cup..

 

look at my man Jonas Valanciunas drafted in 2011 the same and even the following year he wasn’t that big of impact player, more like back up center, last year he started to be a man and got like 8&6 per game..but it;s still looks nothing special for a guy who after that European tournament played a really good 11ppg 9rpg season in the NBA..

 

and now.. even if I still sad after heartbeating loss to France, Jonas was sensational, 25points today with 14&8 on average in like 24mpg.. hope to see the same jump in the NBA next year..

 

so same might go with Dante his talent is big

[HitsterParticipant]

 Exum would not be expected to run the Jazz’s point from the start plus they have to fit Burks and Burke in so minutes can be divided up. The team have a solid front office to back up first time NBA Head Coach Quin Snyder and Quin himself was a PG under Coach K so he’ll be able to really help Dante along. I’d guess Quin will look to drill a huge amount of fundamentals into Exum from day one and will not rush him along.

Plus the Jazz still have Jerry Sloan as an advisor who will also be able to pass on his experience to Exum and I’m sure a call could be put in to John Stockton to have a few chats with Exum or even oversee a few masterclasses if needed.

Exum is very much a work in progress but Utah have the ideal staff there to really help him develop. 

Plus 1 for Hofstrapride for showing due love to the Greek Freak as a lot of us do on here.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Exum would not be expected to run the Jazz’s point from the start plus they have to fit Burks and Burke in so minutes can be divided up. The team have a solid front office to back up first time NBA Head Coach Quin Snyder and Quin himself was a PG under Coach K so he’ll be able to really help Dante along. I’d guess Quin will look to drill a huge amount of fundamentals into Exum from day one and will not rush him along.

Plus the Jazz still have Jerry Sloan as an advisor who will also be able to pass on his experience to Exum and I’m sure a call could be put in to John Stockton to have a few chats with Exum or even oversee a few masterclasses if needed.

Exum is very much a work in progress but Utah have the ideal staff there to really help him develop. 

Plus 1 for Hofstrapride for showing due love to the Greek Freak as a lot of us do on here.

 

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