[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

Hi everybody,

 

I was thinking about the inevitable Westbrook/Durant murder/suicide coming June 2013.  Do you guys think installing some elements of the triangle offense could help this team.  Westbrook is insanely talented, but he’s not ever going to be an elite distributor.  It seems like Harden is the best passer on the team.  He always reminded me of Kukoc, maybe the lefty thing.  Ibaka could fill in as the Horace Grant.  I think using some elements of this offense could really help the Thunder’s on court chemistry.  Since most of the roster is quite young it seems like they might be able to pick up the offense quickly. Any thoughts?

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

For the triangle to work, you have to have 3 scoring threats plus a PG that can hit open shots.. It can be your SG/SF/PF or your C/PF/SG.  It has to be at least 1 guard and 1 big..

They dont have the scoring from their bigs they need to run a Triangle.. Also, they would have to find a shooting PG… In other words, they would have to trade 2 of their 5 starters for it to work..

Seems like it would be a lot of troble for an offense that has only seen 1 coach run it well enough to win a championship with it..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

For the triangle to work, you have to have 3 scoring threats plus a PG that can hit open shots.. It can be your SG/SF/PF or your C/PF/SG.  It has to be at least 1 guard and 1 big..

They dont have the scoring from their bigs they need to run a Triangle.. Also, they would have to find a shooting PG… In other words, they would have to trade 2 of their 5 starters for it to work..

Seems like it would be a lot of troble for an offense that has only seen 1 coach run it well enough to win a championship with it..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

For the triangle to work, you have to have 3 scoring threats plus a PG that can hit open shots.. It can be your SG/SF/PF or your C/PF/SG.  It has to be at least 1 guard and 1 big..

They dont have the scoring from their bigs they need to run a Triangle.. Also, they would have to find a shooting PG… In other words, they would have to trade 2 of their 5 starters for it to work..

Seems like it would be a lot of troble for an offense that has only seen 1 coach run it well enough to win a championship with it..

[cobi15Participant]

No way should okc use the triangle!  The triangle is for older player who doesn’t have any one on one game!  Let them young men play fast and harden needs to start so that he can take some pressure off of Westbrook!  The triangle will limit K.D game!

[cobi15Participant]

No way should okc use the triangle!  The triangle is for older player who doesn’t have any one on one game!  Let them young men play fast and harden needs to start so that he can take some pressure off of Westbrook!  The triangle will limit K.D game!

[cobi15Participant]

No way should okc use the triangle!  The triangle is for older player who doesn’t have any one on one game!  Let them young men play fast and harden needs to start so that he can take some pressure off of Westbrook!  The triangle will limit K.D game!

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

The triangle is not for older players.. MJ and Kobe have been the poster children for the triangle.. They are probably 2 of the top 5 wing players ever.. Also, they can/could score anytime they ever wanted..

You cant say they didnt/dont have 1-on-1 games…

Stupid comment..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

The triangle is not for older players.. MJ and Kobe have been the poster children for the triangle.. They are probably 2 of the top 5 wing players ever.. Also, they can/could score anytime they ever wanted..

You cant say they didnt/dont have 1-on-1 games…

Stupid comment..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

The triangle is not for older players.. MJ and Kobe have been the poster children for the triangle.. They are probably 2 of the top 5 wing players ever.. Also, they can/could score anytime they ever wanted..

You cant say they didnt/dont have 1-on-1 games…

Stupid comment..

[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

I didn’t understand the "older players" comment either.  Although a scoring big is helpful in any offense it doesn’t seem like it is absolutely necessary to win games.  Jordan ran it well without a scoring big.  I agree that Phil was the only HC to have success with it.  Minnesota just had the wrong personnel for the offense.  Durant, Westbrook, Harden can average 65 ppg combined.  That’s a very respectable top 3.  Westbrook will have to develop a more reliable jumper, but he is only 22.  If FT% is any indicator he has the ability to develop a consistent perimeter shot.  

[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

I didn’t understand the "older players" comment either.  Although a scoring big is helpful in any offense it doesn’t seem like it is absolutely necessary to win games.  Jordan ran it well without a scoring big.  I agree that Phil was the only HC to have success with it.  Minnesota just had the wrong personnel for the offense.  Durant, Westbrook, Harden can average 65 ppg combined.  That’s a very respectable top 3.  Westbrook will have to develop a more reliable jumper, but he is only 22.  If FT% is any indicator he has the ability to develop a consistent perimeter shot.  

[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

I didn’t understand the "older players" comment either.  Although a scoring big is helpful in any offense it doesn’t seem like it is absolutely necessary to win games.  Jordan ran it well without a scoring big.  I agree that Phil was the only HC to have success with it.  Minnesota just had the wrong personnel for the offense.  Durant, Westbrook, Harden can average 65 ppg combined.  That’s a very respectable top 3.  Westbrook will have to develop a more reliable jumper, but he is only 22.  If FT% is any indicator he has the ability to develop a consistent perimeter shot.  

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

LoL.. Jordan ran it well with Scottie.. They are two of the 50 greatest players all time.. Along with one of the greatest coaches all time..

I love the potiental of this OKC team but they will never be able to run it unless they get a PG that can catch and shoot and a big that can score on the block..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

LoL.. Jordan ran it well with Scottie.. They are two of the 50 greatest players all time.. Along with one of the greatest coaches all time..

I love the potiental of this OKC team but they will never be able to run it unless they get a PG that can catch and shoot and a big that can score on the block..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

LoL.. Jordan ran it well with Scottie.. They are two of the 50 greatest players all time.. Along with one of the greatest coaches all time..

I love the potiental of this OKC team but they will never be able to run it unless they get a PG that can catch and shoot and a big that can score on the block..

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

You know what they say

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

You know what they say

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

You know what they say

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

[iguapops420Participant]

 @8, it’s a misconception that you have to have a guard that can shoot. Furthermore all that u must have is 2 adequate shooters (at any position)or athletes who cut and stay active creating proper spacing, a big isn’t necessary, simply a post presence(it’s why MJ and pip worked so well in the second 3peat). Every position is the triangle is interchangeable. Ever wtch anything from 71-72′ Lakers with Wilt and West? They ran a version of the triangle based on fastbreak principals. The triangle has so many different variations that any team can practically run it and it can in fact be ran by a pass first pg if need be. Simply that PHIL has never been a fan of the ball being in a small pg’s hands rather having them relogated to being spot-up shooters.

BTW, I personally don’t think any team should try the tri. No team has ever been successful in winning with the triangle if they didn’t have Tex Winter behind PJ knowing every fundamental piece to the tri, this past years Lakers included. It wasn’t only PJ’s coaching that was doing it for those teams, Tex was the man behind the coach plugging peices in when PJ was out of ideas.

 

[iguapops420Participant]

 @8, it’s a misconception that you have to have a guard that can shoot. Furthermore all that u must have is 2 adequate shooters (at any position)or athletes who cut and stay active creating proper spacing, a big isn’t necessary, simply a post presence(it’s why MJ and pip worked so well in the second 3peat). Every position is the triangle is interchangeable. Ever wtch anything from 71-72′ Lakers with Wilt and West? They ran a version of the triangle based on fastbreak principals. The triangle has so many different variations that any team can practically run it and it can in fact be ran by a pass first pg if need be. Simply that PHIL has never been a fan of the ball being in a small pg’s hands rather having them relogated to being spot-up shooters.

BTW, I personally don’t think any team should try the tri. No team has ever been successful in winning with the triangle if they didn’t have Tex Winter behind PJ knowing every fundamental piece to the tri, this past years Lakers included. It wasn’t only PJ’s coaching that was doing it for those teams, Tex was the man behind the coach plugging peices in when PJ was out of ideas.

 

[iguapops420Participant]

 @8, it’s a misconception that you have to have a guard that can shoot. Furthermore all that u must have is 2 adequate shooters (at any position)or athletes who cut and stay active creating proper spacing, a big isn’t necessary, simply a post presence(it’s why MJ and pip worked so well in the second 3peat). Every position is the triangle is interchangeable. Ever wtch anything from 71-72′ Lakers with Wilt and West? They ran a version of the triangle based on fastbreak principals. The triangle has so many different variations that any team can practically run it and it can in fact be ran by a pass first pg if need be. Simply that PHIL has never been a fan of the ball being in a small pg’s hands rather having them relogated to being spot-up shooters.

BTW, I personally don’t think any team should try the tri. No team has ever been successful in winning with the triangle if they didn’t have Tex Winter behind PJ knowing every fundamental piece to the tri, this past years Lakers included. It wasn’t only PJ’s coaching that was doing it for those teams, Tex was the man behind the coach plugging peices in when PJ was out of ideas.

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Well, they would have to start James Harden and use him like Scottie Pippen and
then play Westbrook off the ball more. Use Perkins like Bill Cartwright (he plays that role anyway)
and then work with Ibaka on his low post game. Grant was good on offense but Rodman wasn’t so this
shouldn’t be a huge issue for the Ibaka/Collison combo.

Harden gave the Thunder the 3rd offensive weapon that they needed. Start him and run something similar
to the triangle offense. The Thunder are hurt when Westbrook dominates the ball. I think the Thunder still need a low
post scorer. I think Big Baby Davis would be a good pickup. Then I think they need a backup for KD. If the Grizzlies don’t resign
Shane Battier then I think the Thunder should try to sign him for a couple of years. He plays solid defense, can hit the
3, and doesn’t need the ball to be effective. I think a bench of Battier, Big Baby, Nick Collison, Cook, Nazr Mohammed,
Eric Maynor, and Reggie Jackson would be very effective.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Well, they would have to start James Harden and use him like Scottie Pippen and
then play Westbrook off the ball more. Use Perkins like Bill Cartwright (he plays that role anyway)
and then work with Ibaka on his low post game. Grant was good on offense but Rodman wasn’t so this
shouldn’t be a huge issue for the Ibaka/Collison combo.

Harden gave the Thunder the 3rd offensive weapon that they needed. Start him and run something similar
to the triangle offense. The Thunder are hurt when Westbrook dominates the ball. I think the Thunder still need a low
post scorer. I think Big Baby Davis would be a good pickup. Then I think they need a backup for KD. If the Grizzlies don’t resign
Shane Battier then I think the Thunder should try to sign him for a couple of years. He plays solid defense, can hit the
3, and doesn’t need the ball to be effective. I think a bench of Battier, Big Baby, Nick Collison, Cook, Nazr Mohammed,
Eric Maynor, and Reggie Jackson would be very effective.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Well, they would have to start James Harden and use him like Scottie Pippen and
then play Westbrook off the ball more. Use Perkins like Bill Cartwright (he plays that role anyway)
and then work with Ibaka on his low post game. Grant was good on offense but Rodman wasn’t so this
shouldn’t be a huge issue for the Ibaka/Collison combo.

Harden gave the Thunder the 3rd offensive weapon that they needed. Start him and run something similar
to the triangle offense. The Thunder are hurt when Westbrook dominates the ball. I think the Thunder still need a low
post scorer. I think Big Baby Davis would be a good pickup. Then I think they need a backup for KD. If the Grizzlies don’t resign
Shane Battier then I think the Thunder should try to sign him for a couple of years. He plays solid defense, can hit the
3, and doesn’t need the ball to be effective. I think a bench of Battier, Big Baby, Nick Collison, Cook, Nazr Mohammed,
Eric Maynor, and Reggie Jackson would be very effective.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The 71-72 Lakers ran a modified version of the triangle and also used principles of Red’s Celtics with fastbreaks,
rebounding, and a center concentrating on defense, rebounding, and blocking shots (with Wilt playing
like Bill Russell).

Since 1991, 11 championship teams have won using the triangle so it is an effective philosophy. Those teams
had MJ and Pippen, and Kobe and Shaq/Pau Gasol. The Thunder have two great players too in
Durant and Westbrook. Those former champs had versatile, do-everythin guys who could shoot, score, pass, and handle the ball
like Toni Kukoc and Lamar Odom. James Harden has a similar game. Plus, all three can run the offense.

Of the other chanpionship teams since then you have always had a very good inside scorer such as Tim Duncan, Dirk,
Hakeem, Shaq on the Heat, and even Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace. The Thunder have some decent rebounding/defensive
bigs who aren’t known as scorers — having more in common with the Bulls championship teams featuring big men such as
Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Will Purdue, Scott Williams, Dennis Rodman, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Dickey Simpkins.
The Bulls used their big men to do the dirty work such as rebounding, defending, blocking shots, committing hard fouls, setting picks,
getting put-back layups and making an occassional mid-range jumper. The trio of Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison to a good job of
doing the dirty work with Perkins specializing in hard fouls and scowls, Ibaka in blocked shots and dunks, and Collison in drawing charges
and making jumpers. The old Bulls interior players defeated Ewing and Oakley of the Knicks, the Nance-Daugherty-Hot Rod front line, a young Shaq, and the Reggie Miller Pacers featuring Rik Smits and the Davises. These Thunder big men wore down and defeated the intimidating Z Bo- Marc Gasol combo. The Thunders’ interior players are similar to the Chicago big men core of the past title years. Michael and Scottie are the best wing combo ever but the Durant and Harden combo offers a lot of promise. Westbrook is wildly talented but also wildly individualistic but so were Jordan and Kobe befor the triangle.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The 71-72 Lakers ran a modified version of the triangle and also used principles of Red’s Celtics with fastbreaks,
rebounding, and a center concentrating on defense, rebounding, and blocking shots (with Wilt playing
like Bill Russell).

Since 1991, 11 championship teams have won using the triangle so it is an effective philosophy. Those teams
had MJ and Pippen, and Kobe and Shaq/Pau Gasol. The Thunder have two great players too in
Durant and Westbrook. Those former champs had versatile, do-everythin guys who could shoot, score, pass, and handle the ball
like Toni Kukoc and Lamar Odom. James Harden has a similar game. Plus, all three can run the offense.

Of the other chanpionship teams since then you have always had a very good inside scorer such as Tim Duncan, Dirk,
Hakeem, Shaq on the Heat, and even Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace. The Thunder have some decent rebounding/defensive
bigs who aren’t known as scorers — having more in common with the Bulls championship teams featuring big men such as
Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Will Purdue, Scott Williams, Dennis Rodman, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Dickey Simpkins.
The Bulls used their big men to do the dirty work such as rebounding, defending, blocking shots, committing hard fouls, setting picks,
getting put-back layups and making an occassional mid-range jumper. The trio of Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison to a good job of
doing the dirty work with Perkins specializing in hard fouls and scowls, Ibaka in blocked shots and dunks, and Collison in drawing charges
and making jumpers. The old Bulls interior players defeated Ewing and Oakley of the Knicks, the Nance-Daugherty-Hot Rod front line, a young Shaq, and the Reggie Miller Pacers featuring Rik Smits and the Davises. These Thunder big men wore down and defeated the intimidating Z Bo- Marc Gasol combo. The Thunders’ interior players are similar to the Chicago big men core of the past title years. Michael and Scottie are the best wing combo ever but the Durant and Harden combo offers a lot of promise. Westbrook is wildly talented but also wildly individualistic but so were Jordan and Kobe befor the triangle.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

The 71-72 Lakers ran a modified version of the triangle and also used principles of Red’s Celtics with fastbreaks,
rebounding, and a center concentrating on defense, rebounding, and blocking shots (with Wilt playing
like Bill Russell).

Since 1991, 11 championship teams have won using the triangle so it is an effective philosophy. Those teams
had MJ and Pippen, and Kobe and Shaq/Pau Gasol. The Thunder have two great players too in
Durant and Westbrook. Those former champs had versatile, do-everythin guys who could shoot, score, pass, and handle the ball
like Toni Kukoc and Lamar Odom. James Harden has a similar game. Plus, all three can run the offense.

Of the other chanpionship teams since then you have always had a very good inside scorer such as Tim Duncan, Dirk,
Hakeem, Shaq on the Heat, and even Kevin Garnett and Rasheed Wallace. The Thunder have some decent rebounding/defensive
bigs who aren’t known as scorers — having more in common with the Bulls championship teams featuring big men such as
Horace Grant, Bill Cartwright, Will Purdue, Scott Williams, Dennis Rodman, Luc Longley, Bill Wennington, and Dickey Simpkins.
The Bulls used their big men to do the dirty work such as rebounding, defending, blocking shots, committing hard fouls, setting picks,
getting put-back layups and making an occassional mid-range jumper. The trio of Ibaka, Perkins, and Collison to a good job of
doing the dirty work with Perkins specializing in hard fouls and scowls, Ibaka in blocked shots and dunks, and Collison in drawing charges
and making jumpers. The old Bulls interior players defeated Ewing and Oakley of the Knicks, the Nance-Daugherty-Hot Rod front line, a young Shaq, and the Reggie Miller Pacers featuring Rik Smits and the Davises. These Thunder big men wore down and defeated the intimidating Z Bo- Marc Gasol combo. The Thunders’ interior players are similar to the Chicago big men core of the past title years. Michael and Scottie are the best wing combo ever but the Durant and Harden combo offers a lot of promise. Westbrook is wildly talented but also wildly individualistic but so were Jordan and Kobe befor the triangle.

[iguapops420Participant]

 No team in the past 20 years has been able to use the Tri and win without Tex Winter as a mediator to Phil Jackson. You know, seeing as though Tex Winter is the creator of the triangle offense. Dallas tried it some years back when Kidd was there the first time, and The Bulls tried it after MJ and Pip and it still never worked. Nobody knows the intricates of the Tri enough to be able to use it as a primary offense without Tex Winter on the team. At the very least Phil. There isn’t enough hoop IQ on OKC to run the Tri. Not to mention Harden isn’t good enough to be the primary facilitator consistently. To take the ball out of Westbrook hands would render him ineffective. 

BTW, all those teams you listed prveiously had a lot more hoop IQ and a LOT of guys who were great before joining the Bulls.

Don’t ever compare Westbrook to MJ and Kobe. His B-Ball IQ is nowhere near the level of either of those guys. He doesn’t have the IQ Kobe had at 17 years old. Durant and Harden are no MJ/Pip. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 No team in the past 20 years has been able to use the Tri and win without Tex Winter as a mediator to Phil Jackson. You know, seeing as though Tex Winter is the creator of the triangle offense. Dallas tried it some years back when Kidd was there the first time, and The Bulls tried it after MJ and Pip and it still never worked. Nobody knows the intricates of the Tri enough to be able to use it as a primary offense without Tex Winter on the team. At the very least Phil. There isn’t enough hoop IQ on OKC to run the Tri. Not to mention Harden isn’t good enough to be the primary facilitator consistently. To take the ball out of Westbrook hands would render him ineffective. 

BTW, all those teams you listed prveiously had a lot more hoop IQ and a LOT of guys who were great before joining the Bulls.

Don’t ever compare Westbrook to MJ and Kobe. His B-Ball IQ is nowhere near the level of either of those guys. He doesn’t have the IQ Kobe had at 17 years old. Durant and Harden are no MJ/Pip. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 No team in the past 20 years has been able to use the Tri and win without Tex Winter as a mediator to Phil Jackson. You know, seeing as though Tex Winter is the creator of the triangle offense. Dallas tried it some years back when Kidd was there the first time, and The Bulls tried it after MJ and Pip and it still never worked. Nobody knows the intricates of the Tri enough to be able to use it as a primary offense without Tex Winter on the team. At the very least Phil. There isn’t enough hoop IQ on OKC to run the Tri. Not to mention Harden isn’t good enough to be the primary facilitator consistently. To take the ball out of Westbrook hands would render him ineffective. 

BTW, all those teams you listed prveiously had a lot more hoop IQ and a LOT of guys who were great before joining the Bulls.

Don’t ever compare Westbrook to MJ and Kobe. His B-Ball IQ is nowhere near the level of either of those guys. He doesn’t have the IQ Kobe had at 17 years old. Durant and Harden are no MJ/Pip. 

[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

Kobe was throwing up air balls in SLC as a 17 year old. I’m not saying Westbrook goes on to be anywhere near Kobe all time, but players can improve ‘"hoop IQ" with experience. He did have a triple double in game 7 . Playing him in a off ball position in an offense dedicated to movement could improve their turnover rate leading to more scoring opportunities. I think you could put Durant in the same company as Kobe and MJ in terms of bringing offensive production every night. Obviously, the championships put those guys in another realm.

[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

Kobe was throwing up air balls in SLC as a 17 year old. I’m not saying Westbrook goes on to be anywhere near Kobe all time, but players can improve ‘"hoop IQ" with experience. He did have a triple double in game 7 . Playing him in a off ball position in an offense dedicated to movement could improve their turnover rate leading to more scoring opportunities. I think you could put Durant in the same company as Kobe and MJ in terms of bringing offensive production every night. Obviously, the championships put those guys in another realm.

[KrazyeyezkillaParticipant]

Kobe was throwing up air balls in SLC as a 17 year old. I’m not saying Westbrook goes on to be anywhere near Kobe all time, but players can improve ‘"hoop IQ" with experience. He did have a triple double in game 7 . Playing him in a off ball position in an offense dedicated to movement could improve their turnover rate leading to more scoring opportunities. I think you could put Durant in the same company as Kobe and MJ in terms of bringing offensive production every night. Obviously, the championships put those guys in another realm.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Westbrook can’t play-off ball. Go back and watch him at UCLA before Collison came back from injury vs. after.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Westbrook can’t play-off ball. Go back and watch him at UCLA before Collison came back from injury vs. after.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Westbrook can’t play-off ball. Go back and watch him at UCLA before Collison came back from injury vs. after.

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