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  • #47255
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    RickSlickCHI
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    Even though he has been cleared to play, he isn’t feeling a %100. The season is about to end. The question is why should the Bulls take the risk of him coming back now? As a GM I would just let him stay out and get prepared for next year. And prepare for the future of the Bulls organization.

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  • #754879
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    drk3351
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    While I don’t know How he’s feeling,the bulls Are playing well they have a great front court led by noah, I’d at this these and give the heat a run for their money

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  • #754880
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    RickSlickCHI
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    But the playoffs are not enough time for him to gel with his new team mates.

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  • #754881
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    Derrick Rose is so important to the Bulls future that it would be idiotic to force him to play if he physically doesn’t feel healthy/ready yet. Even with Rose I don’t believe the Bulls are a championship team right now, so I don’t see the point in him trying to play if he doesn’t feel ready.

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  • #754884
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    doubledribbler
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    I don’t think the Bulls can win it this year, especially with a not 100% physically and mentally ready Rose. If they had kept Asik, then that might have changed my answer because he helped give them a huge advantage over the Heat with size and rebounding.

    He’s probably scared to come back with the way Thibs doles out minutes. I can’t count how many blowouts I have seen where Deng and Noah still manage to log 40+ minutes.

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  • #754883
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    IndianaBasketball
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    I can see it both ways.

    Nowadays, it doesn’t take a *professional* athlete a whole year to return from an ACL tear. He’s been physically cleared by doctors and we know it’s legit because Jerry Reinsdorf was a guy who wanted to hold Michael Jordan out as long as possible when he broke his foot. Reinsdorf even said that the doctor who cleared Derrick Rose would be putting his name on the line. I understand that Rose says he’s not there mentally, BUT playing (limited minutes and then build up) is a way to clear that last mental hurdle.

    However, on the other hand… I’ve torn my ACL and I’ve torn it in the strong knee that I jump with. It’s no joke. You basically have to learn to do everything over again with that leg. It’s an eye opening experience and when you’re laid up from the surgery, you realize how much you took just running, pivoting, jumping, etc for granted. Rose also tore a small piece of meniscus during the injury. His surgeon used a piece of tendon from his patella tendon as the graft for his ACL. Basically, the kid is healing from a lot physically and mentally. You can get back to sports in less than a year with this injury, BUT it takes two fulls years until you heal 100%. The key thing to understand is that every single knee is different. I find it funny that a lot of people who’ve never had this injury are criticizing him. I think it’s the worse injury that can happen to a basketball player.

    Ultimately… I think it all comes down to Rose. When he’s comfortable enough to trust his knee in a live game, then he’ll play. IF not, then he won’t. I think that’s something everyone just has to live with.

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    • #754936
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      surve
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      excellent post and I am one who will always say…whats the rush? I think he should stay out. Now if he says he is ready to go, then you cant argue with that either.

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  • #754885
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    kingofbums
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    if he gets 100% physically healthy and mentally then i dont seee why not let him play…i mean even though theyy will most liekly lose, i think another year of playoff experience would help a lot.

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  • #754891
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    Tyrober
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    If he is 100% ready physically and mentally then he should obviously play, but if it isn’t 100% on both then there is no reason at all to rush him back. He is a young superstar and as long as he is healthy they will be contenders for the foreseeable future.

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  • #754892
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    Siggy
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    Them not being able to win it this yr is no reason for him to not play. If he wants to feel “normal” then he should play. Playing is part of the recovery process.

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  • #754895
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    meirmeir13

    he should hoop and stop being a HO

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  • #754896
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    meirmeir13

    he should hoop and stop being a HO

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  • #754897
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I think Rose’s problem are more mental than physical.

    He’s ready to play, physically. Mentally, he isn’t ready and is probably scared to re-injure himself.

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  • #754902
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    Hitster
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    They should surely just play him very limited minutes in the rest of regular season and then set him loose in the play offs. If he has been cleared to play I don’t see how he is any more likely to re-injure himself now than in pre-season next October.

    Chicago are 5th in their league minus D-Rose, if he had played all season surely they would have been 2nd in their Conference behind Miami. Rose could be used from the bench for the rest of the season as it would force the opposition to immediately alter their tactics with a franchise player up against their 2nd units and the NBA is a business, D-Rose could push Chicago further post season and thus generate extra revenue.

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  • #754911
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    NickWayne87
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    and I have come to the conclusion that there is absolutely NO REASON Derrick Rose should come back this year that’s in his best interest. We as fans selfishly want to see him come back because we miss seeing him play, the team wants him to come back to sell more tickets and possibly extend the season a few more playoff games but for what? Someone tell me why should he come back? There’s not enough time to come back and build the chemistry and confidence in knee that it’s gonna take to contend for a championship this year, they might not have enough to contend for a title if he was at 100 percent never had this injury anyway. He can regain his confidence over the summer and in the preseason continuing to rehab and heal. I see no reason to bring him back none at all…..and what if he came back and re-injured it we’d all be kicking ourselves, us and the entire bulls organization.

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    • #754916
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      Siggy
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      Yes there is and it’s been said over and over. Playing is part of the recovery process. Whether he comes back this yr or next, whenever he plays, he will still need to get acclimated to playing on his knee.

      The Bulls don’t want him to come back just to sell more tickets. They don’t need any help in that department since they’re the #1 franchise in attendance.

      So what if they can’t contend this yr or can’t build team chemistry by the end of the yr? Him playing isn’t about that. They don’t expect him to come back and be MVP Rose. They’d probably just spend the rest of the season easing him in, not being the focal point. Derrick playing is strictly about him. The rehab is done. He’s not at any more risk of re-injuring himself as any other time going forward.

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  • #754915
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    Memphis Madness
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    I could understand if he sits out the rest of this year rather than get run over by the Miami Heat Freight Train.

    I think even if D Rose comes back they will be behind the Heat, Thunder, Lakers, Grizzlies, Spurs, and Clippers.

    The Bulls still need another guy for their core. As some posters have said here, I think OJ Mayo would be a solid fit. He would give the Bulls another perimeter weapon and would take some of the scoring and passing load off of Derrick Rose.

    As a Derrick Rose fan (and someone who picked him up a few weeks ago on my fantasy team) I would like to see him come back this year and really turn this into a great playoffs. But, I can understand if he waits until next year.

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  • #754920
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    Ghost01
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    Like the media, most of you haven’t read a thing HIS DOCTOR said. His doctor has said that the next step in the recovery is to PLAY. That he isn’t going to get any better from simulated practices and such. He needs to PLAY that is the next step in the rehab. It doesn’t matter if the Bulls aren’t good enough to win an NBA title, he’s ready to play now. I get that mentally he isn’t, and that’s fine, but it’s not a question of if its a “health risk” for him to start playing now. His body is ready. He has the same odds of getting hurt next year as he does now.

    And as a Bulls fan, I 100% want to see him come back this season.

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  • #754926
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    NickWayne87
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    him sitting out if he wants just doesn’t bother me they’re not coming out the east anyway. I’ve got over wanting to see him play for the sake of seeing it and have accepted basketball without him for now. Don’t get me wrong i’d love to see him back but if he doesn’t want to i’m with his decision.

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  • #754927
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    Malik-Universal
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    after thinking about it more… drose should just play… whether he plays or not… there not gnna beat MIA…. but that doesn’t matter…. its just about getting rose back in game shape for next yr and getting comfortable

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  • #754945
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    omphalos
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    Rose should play. As someone who’s also had a long-term injury, I was also very cautious when I first returned, I was desperate to avoid a re-injury, but he has to realise that there will always be a risk of re-injury, and if he’s cleared by doctors to play, he needs to get back out there. The longer he delays playing the more of a mental hurdle he will have, and the longer it will take him to find his old form.

    Yes, there should be a minutes restriction on him as he gets his form and conditioning back, but no matter when he comes back, he’s going to struggle a bit and take some time to find himself, personally, I think it’s better he struggle and start to regain his form in what’s left of this season rather than coming into next season without having played.

    The thing that made Rose so special was his fearless playing style and quiet confidence; I’m somewhat concerned that the loneliness of this rehab has hurt his mental toughness and even if he’s physically the same, he might never be that attacking player we used to see, this has planted the seed of doubt in his mind, and I’m not sure if Rose has enough of a chip on his shoulder to clear his mental hurdles and go 100%.

    Look at Michael Jordan; he was an effortless athlete, soaring through the air was like taking a breath, he didn’t even have to think about it. Then the foot injury happened, but instead of wanting to hold out and not play, he was champing at the bit to get back in the game and play big minutes because he was that competitive. The injury didn’t make him less of a player, it made him even more hungry and aggressive, we can only hope Rose has a similar reaction, that he finds that longing for the game, but I’m starting to doubt it.

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  • #754952
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    aamir543
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    He’ll play when he’s good and ready. Who the hell are we to say he should or shouldn’t play? This is HIS future and health we’re talking about, we have no right to make judgements or statements on what WE think he should be doing.

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    • #755014
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      omphalos
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      Spare me that PC crap, his future and health become everyone’s public domain as soon as he stepped on an NBA court and became a professional athlete. How enjoyable would sports really be if we weren’t allowed to make comments of judgments on players? Rose wouldn’t have a future as a basketball player if we didn’t enjoy discussing and analysing it so much.

      That isn’t to say he owes us anything as fans, but just because he’s a nice guy shouldn’t make him above reproach when he’s in a situation that sparks discussion. He does however owe his franchise an explanation, because at the end of the day he’s an employee, and if they want to bring him back this season after he’s been cleared by doctors then he better have a damn good reason not to.

      If you actually read what several people actually wrote, we think he return because it’s in the best interests of HIS FUTURE to do so; my point in particular was to use this season as part of his mental rehab, because the team isn’t expected to win a title this season, so fans will allow him to come along slowly. However, if he chooses to wait until next season, he won’t be given that leeway, because next season the Bulls should be a contender again, and after taking more time to recover he had better have something to prove it was worth it, so his performance will be more heavily scrutinised.

      We aren’t making judgements to tear him down, most of us still want what’s best for him and think this IS what’s best for HIM not US. The longer you wait to return the court the harder it will be to get your touch and skill back, not to mention the psychological impact of a prolonged absence.

      Who are we? We are the people who make him any different from ordinary people; sport isn’t a fundamental of human society, these are games based on arbitrary rules that only exist in a profitable capacity BECAUSE we make these comments and judgments, so get off your high horse and join the rest of us in reality.

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      • #755132
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        aamir543
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        Get off my high horse? What are you talking about? I know he has a commitment to us fans and the organization to come back and play but I think it’s ridiculous that we’re sitting here chastising him about not playing when we really have no knowledge at all about the circumstances. Would I love to see him back? Of course I would, but if he’s having second thoughts about the health and stability of his knee than I’d rather him go with his gut than do what OTHER PEOPLE want him to do and risk something terrible happening, that’s all.

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        • #755142
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          Ghost01
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          We have no knowledge about the circumstances?

          The doctors cleared him to play, but he’s not “mentally” ready. Those are the circumstances. His body is healthy, the next step in the rehab is to come back. He’s still a little bit nervous about getting hurt and so he’s not coming back yet.

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  • #755055
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    TallmanNYC
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    You only get so many trips to the playoffs in your prime and with a good team. This is one of those years. If I were Rose I’d try to get out there. You never know what will happen in a seven game series, so don’t say they can’t advance. Sure they aren’t a favorite to win. But is there any reason to think they are ever going to be a favorite? You think Lebron and KD are going to be bad next year or the year after that? You think Chicago is always going to have a good roster around Rose? Maybe or maybe next year they trade for Beasely or something stupid like that. You never know. But you know this season they are in the playoffs and the roster is strong.

    But he should also only play if he is near 100% and that means when he has 35″+ vertical. If he can’t dunk off one leg (either leg) then he is not nearly 100%. The reports I hear are all over the place on this.

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