Shaun Livingston is back?

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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 3:49pm #52323

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Crazy statline tonight 17 pts 8 assists 9 rebounds
I understand this is preseason but is he officially back?
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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:05pm #843641

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I hope so, he had a very promising beginning of his career until that horrific injury. Its just amazing that he can play let alone make an nba roster. You wont be a starter, but you will have some of the most respect in the league from me after that injury
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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:05pm #843754

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I hope so, he had a very promising beginning of his career until that horrific injury. Its just amazing that he can play let alone make an nba roster. You wont be a starter, but you will have some of the most respect in the league from me after that injury
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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:12pm #843643

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He has had some dunks in the preseason. The IQ and feel for the game has always been there. The size is elite for PG. So if some of the speed and hops are back, then yes he might be back. Scary if he is also a huge addition for the Nets because the second unit is already strong.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:12pm #843756

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He has had some dunks in the preseason. The IQ and feel for the game has always been there. The size is elite for PG. So if some of the speed and hops are back, then yes he might be back. Scary if he is also a huge addition for the Nets because the second unit is already strong.
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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:29pm #843646

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“Is he back” meaning what?
He’s been back for a while. He’ll never be what he was projected to be but he’s carved out a niche as one of the better back up PGs who can run an offense like a starter. He’s a really good distributor but his style doesn’t fit with every team. He can run an offense like a dream but he still needs players around him who can make shots. As long as his body is able, a player like him will always be in demand, which is saying a lot for a guy who many thought would never play again.
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- Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 5:15pm #843652
  
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  Shaun Livingston can definitely still be a starting point guard in the NBA. His great feel for the game, special play-making skills, and dynamic point guard skills are still their with-in his overall skill set. He definitely needs to be part of the right system and also be surrounded by the right players that compliment his overall skill level. But all he truly really needs is for a coaching staff and organization to have confidence in Shaun’s ability to play at a consistently high level. I’m just so happy to see that Shaun has gained back the physical skills needed to play in the NBA. Especially after having such a gruesome injury. I think it would be a great comeback story if Shaun can recapture some of the great success and high level ability he showed in the past as a starting point guard in the NBA
  Teams that would be a great fit for shaun as a starting point guard:
  1. Indiana pacers
  2. Utah Jazz
  3. Houston Rockets
  4. Toronto Raptors
  5. New York Knicks
  6. Dallas Mavericks
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  - Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:02pm #843778
    
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    I guess so. I mean if Brandon Knight can start at the point for an NBA team, surely a better player like Livingston can start for a team in a perfect situation. The thing is that since he’s been back, he’s been branded as a back up. It’s tough for back ups to break that stereotype. It’s like actors being type-casted, they have to excel far beyond what is usually necessary in order to break through for a different role. There were a few openings for PG spots this offseason. As far as I know, not one team considered him for a starting spot. Not only does he have to far exceed expectations, but he has to navigate politics too, politics that are dictated by money. Teams seek to make good on their investments. Take a couple of your examples: Indiana could use an upgrade at the point, yet they are invested in George Hill to the tune of 8 mill per for the next 4 yrs. By the same token, the Mavs just gave Jose Calderon a 4 yr deal to be their starter. Utah could use a temporary starter, yet they invested a lotto pick in Burke who they took as their PG for the future. Lotto picks are given a chance to fail before other options are explored (I will say though that a Burke/Livingston shared backcourt would be interesting given each other’s weaknesses). Take another team that needs a PG like the Magic. Say he signed on with them, could he be a possible temporary starter? Sure, but would his presence be enough to dissuade them from taking a franchise PG next yr’s draft if available? Most likely no.
    On top of that, like I said, Livingston needs an ideal situation for his skills. He’s not a ball-dominant PG. He’s not the type of PG who can just break down a defense 1 on 5, draw attention to himself and make plays. He is a system PG, a halfcourt distributing surgeon. If the players move where they’re supposed to go, Shaun will get them the ball on time with precision. He needs structure and skilled players who can execute and make shots around him. He is not and never will be a catch and shoot player, so a place like HOU would not be ideal. Playing next to another ball-dominant player like Harden, Melo or LeBron reduces him to being a bystander who is not a capable spot up shooter. Teams with weak offensive, iso heavy systems like the Raptors and Knicks would not be ideal for him either for the same reasons.
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  - Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:02pm #843666
    
    Siggy
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    I guess so. I mean if Brandon Knight can start at the point for an NBA team, surely a better player like Livingston can start for a team in a perfect situation. The thing is that since he’s been back, he’s been branded as a back up. It’s tough for back ups to break that stereotype. It’s like actors being type-casted, they have to excel far beyond what is usually necessary in order to break through for a different role. There were a few openings for PG spots this offseason. As far as I know, not one team considered him for a starting spot. Not only does he have to far exceed expectations, but he has to navigate politics too, politics that are dictated by money. Teams seek to make good on their investments. Take a couple of your examples: Indiana could use an upgrade at the point, yet they are invested in George Hill to the tune of 8 mill per for the next 4 yrs. By the same token, the Mavs just gave Jose Calderon a 4 yr deal to be their starter. Utah could use a temporary starter, yet they invested a lotto pick in Burke who they took as their PG for the future. Lotto picks are given a chance to fail before other options are explored (I will say though that a Burke/Livingston shared backcourt would be interesting given each other’s weaknesses). Take another team that needs a PG like the Magic. Say he signed on with them, could he be a possible temporary starter? Sure, but would his presence be enough to dissuade them from taking a franchise PG next yr’s draft if available? Most likely no.
    On top of that, like I said, Livingston needs an ideal situation for his skills. He’s not a ball-dominant PG. He’s not the type of PG who can just break down a defense 1 on 5, draw attention to himself and make plays. He is a system PG, a halfcourt distributing surgeon. If the players move where they’re supposed to go, Shaun will get them the ball on time with precision. He needs structure and skilled players who can execute and make shots around him. He is not and never will be a catch and shoot player, so a place like HOU would not be ideal. Playing next to another ball-dominant player like Harden, Melo or LeBron reduces him to being a bystander who is not a capable spot up shooter. Teams with weak offensive, iso heavy systems like the Raptors and Knicks would not be ideal for him either for the same reasons.
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    - Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:37pm #843784
      
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      Players with Shaun’s type of talents and abilities have the talent needed to play in any type of system. Shaun is basically a read the defense and make the needed play type of point guard. He doesn’t waste movement or hesitate to take advantage of the opportunity to create high level basketball plays. He’s a very decisive decision maker who has the ability to manipulate the defense or defender. His skill level and feel for the game will allow him to adapt to any system. To put it simple he’s a very rare player who has the ability to see the entire floor and utilize anticipation based instincts in ways that allows him to adapt, adjust, and dictate. Similar to Penny Hardaway and Jason Kidd, Shaun has the ability to mentally think the game in ways that allows him to dictate what needs to happen regardless of how he is being defended. That type of talented player can fit in any system
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    - Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:37pm #843672
      
      princejames
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      Players with Shaun’s type of talents and abilities have the talent needed to play in any type of system. Shaun is basically a read the defense and make the needed play type of point guard. He doesn’t waste movement or hesitate to take advantage of the opportunity to create high level basketball plays. He’s a very decisive decision maker who has the ability to manipulate the defense or defender. His skill level and feel for the game will allow him to adapt to any system. To put it simple he’s a very rare player who has the ability to see the entire floor and utilize anticipation based instincts in ways that allows him to adapt, adjust, and dictate. Similar to Penny Hardaway and Jason Kidd, Shaun has the ability to mentally think the game in ways that allows him to dictate what needs to happen regardless of how he is being defended. That type of talented player can fit in any system
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      - Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 8:18pm #843796
        
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        Well I think his lack of spot up shooting ability and 3 pt range is a big hindrance for playing in certain systems. Like the example that I gave, say he played with a superstar who dominated the ball, where would that leave him? In catch and shoot situations where he’s very weak. Take the ball out of his hands as the primary distributor, how useful is he off the ball? Like, I don’t think he could play Chalmers’ role for the Heat. He does have a high IQ so although he might be able to play in any system, could he start and be the best option for the point in any system? My answer would be no.
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      - Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 8:18pm #843684
        
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        Well I think his lack of spot up shooting ability and 3 pt range is a big hindrance for playing in certain systems. Like the example that I gave, say he played with a superstar who dominated the ball, where would that leave him? In catch and shoot situations where he’s very weak. Take the ball out of his hands as the primary distributor, how useful is he off the ball? Like, I don’t think he could play Chalmers’ role for the Heat. He does have a high IQ so although he might be able to play in any system, could he start and be the best option for the point in any system? My answer would be no.
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        Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 8:46pm #843800
        
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        That Opinion Makes No Sense Me, because your talent level and overall skill level determines how you will be used by coaches regardless of the players that are around you. For example, Jason Kidd could not shoot earlier in his career. But was a high level player because he combined great play-making skills with the ability to also make those around him better. So Siggy you are telling me that you would not play Jason kidd with Dwayne wade and Lebron James just because they like to dominate the ball. That’s a very foolish judgement, because the reality is that both LeBron and Dwyane would have to adapt their games in ways that allow them to be more like finishers and not the main ball dominate creators and facilitators. For example Jamaal Mashburn and Jimmy Jackson had some of their best statistical years when they played with Jason. Because of Jason’s ability to make them better
        And thus I think that Shaun Livingston would be great playing alongside James Harden. Because he could share playmaking and decision making duties with harden which would take pressure off of harden when it comes to being the primary facilitator and creator of offense for others. And allow James Harden to be an even more effective and dynamic scorer.
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        Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 8:46pm #843687
        
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        That Opinion Makes No Sense Me, because your talent level and overall skill level determines how you will be used by coaches regardless of the players that are around you. For example, Jason Kidd could not shoot earlier in his career. But was a high level player because he combined great play-making skills with the ability to also make those around him better. So Siggy you are telling me that you would not play Jason kidd with Dwayne wade and Lebron James just because they like to dominate the ball. That’s a very foolish judgement, because the reality is that both LeBron and Dwyane would have to adapt their games in ways that allow them to be more like finishers and not the main ball dominate creators and facilitators. For example Jamaal Mashburn and Jimmy Jackson had some of their best statistical years when they played with Jason. Because of Jason’s ability to make them better
        And thus I think that Shaun Livingston would be great playing alongside James Harden. Because he could share playmaking and decision making duties with harden which would take pressure off of harden when it comes to being the primary facilitator and creator of offense for others. And allow James Harden to be an even more effective and dynamic scorer.
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        Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 8:56pm #843804
        
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        There is a pecking order on teams. Players with more ability are the players who the team is built around. Complementary pieces have to adjust to THEM.
        The current Shaun Livingston is not young JKidd. Not even close. I would play J.Kidd with DWade and LeBron because he was just that good. Today’s Livingston? No. I wouldn’t start him over Mario Chalmers.
        Share playmaking duties? Fine, but the overwhelming majority of the possession would go to the better, higher impact player which is Harden, leaving Livingston, off the ball spotting up.
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        Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 8:56pm #843691
        
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        There is a pecking order on teams. Players with more ability are the players who the team is built around. Complementary pieces have to adjust to THEM.
        The current Shaun Livingston is not young JKidd. Not even close. I would play J.Kidd with DWade and LeBron because he was just that good. Today’s Livingston? No. I wouldn’t start him over Mario Chalmers.
        Share playmaking duties? Fine, but the overwhelming majority of the possession would go to the better, higher impact player which is Harden, leaving Livingston, off the ball spotting up.
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        Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 9:08pm #843806
        
        princejames
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        A good coach who cares about winning allows their players to adapt to one another based on their overall skill level regardless of who the most talented players are on the team. It’s called trusting your teammate and having confidence in them. That’s why I love the spurs coach, greg popavich. Because he allows his players to grow and adapt to one another. In ways that allows them to compliment one another and ultimately make each other better.
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        Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 9:08pm #843693
        
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        A good coach who cares about winning allows their players to adapt to one another based on their overall skill level regardless of who the most talented players are on the team. It’s called trusting your teammate and having confidence in them. That’s why I love the spurs coach, greg popavich. Because he allows his players to grow and adapt to one another. In ways that allows them to compliment one another and ultimately make each other better.
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- Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 5:15pm #843764
  
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  Shaun Livingston can definitely still be a starting point guard in the NBA. His great feel for the game, special play-making skills, and dynamic point guard skills are still their with-in his overall skill set. He definitely needs to be part of the right system and also be surrounded by the right players that compliment his overall skill level. But all he truly really needs is for a coaching staff and organization to have confidence in Shaun’s ability to play at a consistently high level. I’m just so happy to see that Shaun has gained back the physical skills needed to play in the NBA. Especially after having such a gruesome injury. I think it would be a great comeback story if Shaun can recapture some of the great success and high level ability he showed in the past as a starting point guard in the NBA
  Teams that would be a great fit for shaun as a starting point guard:
  1. Indiana pacers
  2. Utah Jazz
  3. Houston Rockets
  4. Toronto Raptors
  5. New York Knicks
  6. Dallas Mavericks
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Posted on: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:29pm #843758

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“Is he back” meaning what?
He’s been back for a while. He’ll never be what he was projected to be but he’s carved out a niche as one of the better back up PGs who can run an offense like a starter. He’s a really good distributor but his style doesn’t fit with every team. He can run an offense like a dream but he still needs players around him who can make shots. As long as his body is able, a player like him will always be in demand, which is saying a lot for a guy who many thought would never play again.
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 5:31am #843844

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The Nets will have the single biggest 1 – 8 potentially in NBA history
Dwill – 6’3″
Joe Johnson – 6’7″
Paul Pierce – 6’7″
Shaun Livingston – 6’7″
Andrei Kirilenko – 6’10”
Andray Blatche – 6’11”
Kevin Garnett – 6’11’
Brook Lopez – 7′
How is anyone possibly going to play small ball against them?
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 5:31am #843731

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The Nets will have the single biggest 1 – 8 potentially in NBA history
Dwill – 6’3″
Joe Johnson – 6’7″
Paul Pierce – 6’7″
Shaun Livingston – 6’7″
Andrei Kirilenko – 6’10”
Andray Blatche – 6’11”
Kevin Garnett – 6’11’
Brook Lopez – 7′
How is anyone possibly going to play small ball against them?
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 7:51am #843862

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Hes been “Back” he has overcame allot. But hes on a great team and he is playing well so far. Glad to see him just “back” on the court after the injury.
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 7:51am #843749

Taylor Gang Mike
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Hes been “Back” he has overcame allot. But hes on a great team and he is playing well so far. Glad to see him just “back” on the court after the injury.
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:09am #843882

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He may be the worst outside shooting guard in the league, but to his credit, at least he knows that and doesn’t take them. He’s 28 with an injury history, so if you’re asking if he’s going to get a big contract and start for someone next year…I’d say no, but I think he’s proven himself over the last few seasons that he’s a very capable backup PG who can distribute and not turn the ball over.
As long as he’s dishing out assists and taking care of the ball, I think he’ll have a spot in the league for as long as his body holds up. I just don’t see anyone bringing him in to be their starter or signing him to a big contract or anything. He’s going to have the edge on Tyshawn Taylor as D-Will’s backup because Taylor is wreckless with the ball, but I just don’t think he’s going to play a ton on this Nets team.
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:09am #843769

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He may be the worst outside shooting guard in the league, but to his credit, at least he knows that and doesn’t take them. He’s 28 with an injury history, so if you’re asking if he’s going to get a big contract and start for someone next year…I’d say no, but I think he’s proven himself over the last few seasons that he’s a very capable backup PG who can distribute and not turn the ball over.
As long as he’s dishing out assists and taking care of the ball, I think he’ll have a spot in the league for as long as his body holds up. I just don’t see anyone bringing him in to be their starter or signing him to a big contract or anything. He’s going to have the edge on Tyshawn Taylor as D-Will’s backup because Taylor is wreckless with the ball, but I just don’t think he’s going to play a ton on this Nets team.
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 4:32pm #843785

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He would have been so good if that freak injury didn’t happen to him. It’s a miracle he is still in the league let alone playing at a high level. He is a great back up PG. Maybe he could start for one of the worst teams in the league. I think he is in a great situation at the moment.
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Posted on: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 4:32pm #843898

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He would have been so good if that freak injury didn’t happen to him. It’s a miracle he is still in the league let alone playing at a high level. He is a great back up PG. Maybe he could start for one of the worst teams in the league. I think he is in a great situation at the moment.
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