Shaq Guarantees Philly wont get #1 - Suggests draft is rigged

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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:00pm #63215

valentine
No Stranger to controversial headlines, Shaq has stated on his podcast that there is no chance Philly will get the 1st pick, because ‘they’ won’t allow it to happen.
He claims that drafts featuring star players entering the league, such as Lebron, Ewing and himself are rigged.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard a former #1 pick say they felt their own draft was compromised.
A recent poll of draftnet users concluded that just 56% believe the lottery to be randomly drawn and 44% are dubious.
Clearly no fan of the 76ers strategy in recent years, the lottery has been mostly unkind giving them just the 3rd pick in consecutive years despite great odds.
If Shaqs theory is correct, it would also seem unlikely that ‘they’ will give them the Lakers pick, should it fall outside of the top 3. In fact, the tone of discussion on this forum would suggest its a foregone conclusion that the Lakers keep their pick…even Philly fans seem resigned to the idea that the top 3 protected pick will not be obtained this year.
Is Shaq right…or just an attention seeking muppet? You decide!

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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:23pm #1050676

sweaterflex
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Just because Philly had the most ping pong balls doesn’t mean they were more likely to get the number 1 pick than the field. Basic probability has them getting them the number one pick in either year as 43.75%. Getting the third pick both years was close to the worst case scenario, but it was not a strange occurrence. The Bobcats won 7 games and didn’t get the first pick. It happens.
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:31pm #1050684
  
  Hype Machine
  What about Shaqs comments?
  Everyone here already has a pretty good understanding of the odds.
  
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  - Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:37pm #1050688
    
    sweaterflex
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    I reckon I side with attention seeking muppet. The league has plenty of opportunities to manipulate the lottery and hasn’t done it to their advantage. Neither the Knicks nor Lakers got KAT, the Lakers didn’t get Wiggins, Embiid or Parker, the Clippers didn’t get John Wall, etc. The last time a major market got the number one pick was Derrick Rose.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:53pm #1050696
      
      Hype Machine
      Interestingly, recent studies showed that not everyone believes that large markets are favoured in these circumstances.
      I honestly think if it is fixed (and I’m not saying it is), it would be done in the genuine interest of giving every team a fair chance at success as much as possible. Big markets already have advantages without the need for lottery help.
      However, perhaps certain things would help…like behind the scenes deals…favors owed to teams, unpopular GMs and unique situations like the AD lottery where the NBA owned New Orleans.
      I just dont see a team like Sacramento being owed any favours by the commish, yet Dan Gilbert at the Cavs or over at the Bulls might have accumulated one or two over the years when they were making the league a lot of dough…we dont know.
      Otherwise…Small Market teams generally have had more lottery luck in the last 20 years.
      
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    - Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:53pm #1050827
      
      Hype Machine
      Interestingly, recent studies showed that not everyone believes that large markets are favoured in these circumstances.
      I honestly think if it is fixed (and I’m not saying it is), it would be done in the genuine interest of giving every team a fair chance at success as much as possible. Big markets already have advantages without the need for lottery help.
      However, perhaps certain things would help…like behind the scenes deals…favors owed to teams, unpopular GMs and unique situations like the AD lottery where the NBA owned New Orleans.
      I just dont see a team like Sacramento being owed any favours by the commish, yet Dan Gilbert at the Cavs or over at the Bulls might have accumulated one or two over the years when they were making the league a lot of dough…we dont know.
      Otherwise…Small Market teams generally have had more lottery luck in the last 20 years.
      
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  - Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:37pm #1050819
    
    sweaterflex
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    I reckon I side with attention seeking muppet. The league has plenty of opportunities to manipulate the lottery and hasn’t done it to their advantage. Neither the Knicks nor Lakers got KAT, the Lakers didn’t get Wiggins, Embiid or Parker, the Clippers didn’t get John Wall, etc. The last time a major market got the number one pick was Derrick Rose.
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:31pm #1050815
  
  Hype Machine
  What about Shaqs comments?
  Everyone here already has a pretty good understanding of the odds.
  
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:23pm #1050807

sweaterflex
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Just because Philly had the most ping pong balls doesn’t mean they were more likely to get the number 1 pick than the field. Basic probability has them getting them the number one pick in either year as 43.75%. Getting the third pick both years was close to the worst case scenario, but it was not a strange occurrence. The Bobcats won 7 games and didn’t get the first pick. It happens.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:59pm #1050702

Espresso
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I said what Shaq is saying. I dont think the league would allow philly to get two top 3 picks
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 2:59pm #1050833

Espresso
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I said what Shaq is saying. I dont think the league would allow philly to get two top 3 picks
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:14pm #1050712

benny15
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i dont think there was anything shocking to what Shaq said. its just that, its been kind of taboo for journalists or broadcasters to imply that there is some strings being pulled in the background. normally the only ones who mention the things shaq said are either casual fans talking amongst themselves, posters in a message board or some blogger whose not trying to make a name for himself/herself. people in the industry know it could very well undermine their credibility by not having proof and that the league frowns upon anything that would tarnish their brand name.
shaq just doesnt think he’ll be affectted by whatever backlash he gets from the league or anyone. he believes he’s made a big enough name for himself that the league cant really silent him while its early. and its not like they can teach him a leason by fining him to the point that he’ll feel its weight. his words also reach people in social media as much as it does on the networks anyway, arguably more. so what he said wasnt surprising, the fact that he told the general public about it is kinda is

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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:14pm #1050843

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i dont think there was anything shocking to what Shaq said. its just that, its been kind of taboo for journalists or broadcasters to imply that there is some strings being pulled in the background. normally the only ones who mention the things shaq said are either casual fans talking amongst themselves, posters in a message board or some blogger whose not trying to make a name for himself/herself. people in the industry know it could very well undermine their credibility by not having proof and that the league frowns upon anything that would tarnish their brand name.
shaq just doesnt think he’ll be affectted by whatever backlash he gets from the league or anyone. he believes he’s made a big enough name for himself that the league cant really silent him while its early. and its not like they can teach him a leason by fining him to the point that he’ll feel its weight. his words also reach people in social media as much as it does on the networks anyway, arguably more. so what he said wasnt surprising, the fact that he told the general public about it is kinda is

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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:22pm #1050716

markfitz14
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I think he is right. I would even go as far as to say the Lakers will get the #1 and get Simmons.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:22pm #1050847

markfitz14
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I think he is right. I would even go as far as to say the Lakers will get the #1 and get Simmons.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:37pm #1050722

SeattleSuperChronics
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Of course it’s rigged. I’ve been saying that since lebron to Cleveland. I feel like every team should get 1 ball and have it be a true lottery. I would love to see a good team get a 1 pick. But that will never happen
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:44pm #1050726
  
  Hype Machine
  What about the wheel concept?
  Where every team gets the #1 pick once every 30 years, the #2 pick once every 30 years etc….
  That takes luck and suggestions of corruption out of the equation, and teams could trade with more certainty knowing the exact position of future draft picks.
  The downside is that it makes it harder for struggling teams to bounce back…
  
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:44pm #1050857
  
  Hype Machine
  What about the wheel concept?
  Where every team gets the #1 pick once every 30 years, the #2 pick once every 30 years etc….
  That takes luck and suggestions of corruption out of the equation, and teams could trade with more certainty knowing the exact position of future draft picks.
  The downside is that it makes it harder for struggling teams to bounce back…
  
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:37pm #1050853

SeattleSuperChronics
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Of course it’s rigged. I’ve been saying that since lebron to Cleveland. I feel like every team should get 1 ball and have it be a true lottery. I would love to see a good team get a 1 pick. But that will never happen
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:48pm #1050732

dbeal21
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No way its rigged, if they gave the #1 pick to MN over LAL and NYK last year than I have no idea how you could say its rigged, remember that with these percentages it gets tricky, while if you have the odds for the #1 pick at 25% inversely the rest of the teams have a 75% chance so the odds are not necessarily in that teams favor (while they still have better odds than any other individual team). Its a crapshoot.
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:54pm #1050734
  
  SeattleSuperChronics
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  They obviously gave 1 to Minnesota to hush the skeptics saying they will surely give it to LA or NY
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- Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:54pm #1050864
  
  SeattleSuperChronics
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  They obviously gave 1 to Minnesota to hush the skeptics saying they will surely give it to LA or NY
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 3:48pm #1050863

dbeal21
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No way its rigged, if they gave the #1 pick to MN over LAL and NYK last year than I have no idea how you could say its rigged, remember that with these percentages it gets tricky, while if you have the odds for the #1 pick at 25% inversely the rest of the teams have a 75% chance so the odds are not necessarily in that teams favor (while they still have better odds than any other individual team). Its a crapshoot.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 4:19pm #1050738

The Scare Crow Rises
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But I can see some situations being very fishy like Rose to Chicago, Davis to New Orleans, The Ewing draft in the 80’s…
There have been times where we all have questioned the validity of the Lottery outcome, but to suggest "they" rig the draft every year, I dont buy it…
Now on the some of what Shaq is saying…Im almost certain the 76ers dont win the Lottery this year either, and Im certain that they’d be better off with the 2nd Pick anyway…Brandon Ingram and Jamal Murray are better fits than the apparent #1 Overall Pick Ben Simmons…
Now on to part where "they" wouldn’t give Philadelphia the pick is a bit farcical when the lowly Minnesota Timberwolves actually won the lottery last year, the Timberwolves who missed the playoffs for about a decade and have been at the bottom of the standings out west for just as long, people seem to forget the 76ers have really only been bad albeit historically bad for about 2-3 years, yet the Wolves won the top pick last year and are still near the bottom of the Western Conference standings, they could actually win another Top Pick if the Basketball Gods smile on them again…
Not that I care what happens aside from Philadelphia landing a Top 2 pick(I will start my own conspiracy theories if they fall into that dubious 3-4 range again!!!)…Im also watching the Lakers pick, people seem to forget that only 1 Team has to jump into that Top 3 range to make this forum lose their shit, If Philadelphia and Phoenix keep their position whilst another team like Minnesota, Brooklyn or Denver wins the Lottery and lands the Top Pick…

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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 4:19pm #1050868

The Scare Crow Rises
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But I can see some situations being very fishy like Rose to Chicago, Davis to New Orleans, The Ewing draft in the 80’s…
There have been times where we all have questioned the validity of the Lottery outcome, but to suggest "they" rig the draft every year, I dont buy it…
Now on the some of what Shaq is saying…Im almost certain the 76ers dont win the Lottery this year either, and Im certain that they’d be better off with the 2nd Pick anyway…Brandon Ingram and Jamal Murray are better fits than the apparent #1 Overall Pick Ben Simmons…
Now on to part where "they" wouldn’t give Philadelphia the pick is a bit farcical when the lowly Minnesota Timberwolves actually won the lottery last year, the Timberwolves who missed the playoffs for about a decade and have been at the bottom of the standings out west for just as long, people seem to forget the 76ers have really only been bad albeit historically bad for about 2-3 years, yet the Wolves won the top pick last year and are still near the bottom of the Western Conference standings, they could actually win another Top Pick if the Basketball Gods smile on them again…
Not that I care what happens aside from Philadelphia landing a Top 2 pick(I will start my own conspiracy theories if they fall into that dubious 3-4 range again!!!)…Im also watching the Lakers pick, people seem to forget that only 1 Team has to jump into that Top 3 range to make this forum lose their shit, If Philadelphia and Phoenix keep their position whilst another team like Minnesota, Brooklyn or Denver wins the Lottery and lands the Top Pick…

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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 5:40pm #1050896

Mopgrass
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As a Laker fan, I only hope for a top 2 pick and that the Sixers pick below them. I want Ingram and the Sixers, positionally, could use him more than Simmons. Therefore, I want Phoenix, Boston, Minnesota, and New Orleans to pick first because I think they would take Simmons first (I assume).
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 5:40pm #1050766

Mopgrass
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As a Laker fan, I only hope for a top 2 pick and that the Sixers pick below them. I want Ingram and the Sixers, positionally, could use him more than Simmons. Therefore, I want Phoenix, Boston, Minnesota, and New Orleans to pick first because I think they would take Simmons first (I assume).
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 2:46am #1050958
  
  Matos
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  You’re reaching if you think the Sixers are falling out of the top 2 again
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 2:46am #1050828
  
  Matos
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  You’re reaching if you think the Sixers are falling out of the top 2 again
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 2:35pm #1050953
  
  ExumInferno
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  First time a Lakers fan wanted the Celtics to win something.
  This lottery will determine a lot of the Lakers future. If they get a top 2 pick, a huge win.
  If the Lakers drop a couple of spots, and lose their pick to the 76ers, the rebuilding becomes a lot tougher.
  
  If Shaq is right, Lakers won’t lose their pick.
  
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 2:35pm #1051083
  
  ExumInferno
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  First time a Lakers fan wanted the Celtics to win something.
  This lottery will determine a lot of the Lakers future. If they get a top 2 pick, a huge win.
  If the Lakers drop a couple of spots, and lose their pick to the 76ers, the rebuilding becomes a lot tougher.
  
  If Shaq is right, Lakers won’t lose their pick.
  
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 5:51pm #1050900

CU.LIONS
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Well Boston has been in the lottery a few times any NEVER won sh*t. Hopefully that changes this year.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 5:51pm #1050770

CU.LIONS
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Well Boston has been in the lottery a few times any NEVER won sh*t. Hopefully that changes this year.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 7:03pm #1050910

pokie
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The Lottery order is so stupid. If they gave the first pick to the last team eliminated from the playoffs and the last pick to the team with the worst record all the lottery teams would have to go hard all season. Front offices would have to try and improve their squads. Teams could actually escape the lottery. And we would get to watch Ben Simmons run with John Wall or James Hardin next year. The NBA has to stop rewarding failure. And they need to stop throwing their brightest young prospects into these terrible situations. Make the franchises earn their top picks.
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Posted on: Thu, 03/31/2016 - 7:03pm #1050780

pokie
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The Lottery order is so stupid. If they gave the first pick to the last team eliminated from the playoffs and the last pick to the team with the worst record all the lottery teams would have to go hard all season. Front offices would have to try and improve their squads. Teams could actually escape the lottery. And we would get to watch Ben Simmons run with John Wall or James Hardin next year. The NBA has to stop rewarding failure. And they need to stop throwing their brightest young prospects into these terrible situations. Make the franchises earn their top picks.
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 12:48am #1050948
  
  negguary
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  would probably make the league even harder to watch and create and even bigger divide between the winning teams and losing teams. Read what you write and then think about it.
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 12:48am #1050818
  
  negguary
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  would probably make the league even harder to watch and create and even bigger divide between the winning teams and losing teams. Read what you write and then think about it.
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Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 2:15am #1050952

Hitster
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There were always the Pat Ewing rumours but never heard anything about similar franchise changers in AI, Tim Duncan etc in more recent years.
D-Rose only became consensus number 1 choice during his final year and you could have said the NBA would have loved to have him and D-Wade as a killer combo in Miami.
The Knicks have had several top 10 picks in recent years but never got a sniff of a lottery top 3 pick. Cleveland did suck most LBJ so had good lottery odds ironically a bit from the Clippers gave them Kyrie.
Teams may not like Philly tanking so may make comments not wanting tyem to win the lottery etc.
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Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 2:15am #1050822

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There were always the Pat Ewing rumours but never heard anything about similar franchise changers in AI, Tim Duncan etc in more recent years.
D-Rose only became consensus number 1 choice during his final year and you could have said the NBA would have loved to have him and D-Wade as a killer combo in Miami.
The Knicks have had several top 10 picks in recent years but never got a sniff of a lottery top 3 pick. Cleveland did suck most LBJ so had good lottery odds ironically a bit from the Clippers gave them Kyrie.
Teams may not like Philly tanking so may make comments not wanting tyem to win the lottery etc.
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Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 7:32am #1050990

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is to just have the Worst record get the Top pick……. By making this a Lottery……….. the so called "They" don’t Have to Rig it…… This goofy System KEEPS teams Bad…..
Think about this: Phila has a HIGHER % of getting the #4 pick (35%) than they do the #1 pick (25%)………
The Lakers who can only Keep their pick if it is Top 3 pick…….. have a 45% chance of falling OUT of the Top 3 & giving that pick to Phila….. That’s a Coin flip when All they need to do is Stay in the top 3…. That is Absolutely Crazy! A 16 win team should have ZERO chance of falling out of the Top 3…..
In 2012 Charlotte won 7 games – SEVEN! No other team lost Fewer than 20 games (Btw the Sixers came within ONE win of meeting the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conf Finals)…… And New ORleans jumped Charlotte in the Draft & got the Prize #1 pick & Unibrow…… Is that fair???
Let’s Look at 2013: Orlando & Charlotte were the 2 Worst teams in the NBA (Phila was No Where close w/ 34 wins & Drafted 13th & picked MCW NOT Noel….) anyway……. Cleveland Jumps Both Orlando & Charlotte…. Orlando falls to #2 & Charlotte falls All the way to #4……… The Draft was Weak but still – it’s Ridiculous………
How about 2014? Milwaukee is the Worst team by far at 15 wins…. Phila is 2nd w/ only 19 wins….. & Cleveland Jumps Both teams w/ 33 wins the Cavs get the 1st Overall pick for the 3rd time in 4 years!!!…..
2015 Minnesota is the Worst team w/ 16 wins & the Knicks are the 2nd worst team w/ 17 wins…… And in a rare turn of Evants the Wolves actually GET the #1 but the Knicks fall to #4…… It worked out for them b/c the 2015 Draft was Very deep…… but if the Draft just went by worst record best pick you would Not have teams in Decades long losing Spirals…….
I put info about Phila b/c people seem to think they have been tanking for 10 years but this is actually year #3……. & it is the FIRST time Phila actually has the Worst record in this stretch…… But look at Sacramento & Minnesota they will Each complete their 10 consectutive Losing season this May…… a Decade of losing…… The Milwaukee Bucks have One winning season in the last 13 years – Thirteen!……
That’s only the last few Drafts but you can look back & see the Same patterns since the Lottery system began……. This system has contributed to a really poor product other than the Top 5 teams or so…. Compare it to the NFL where there is Constant turn over at the Top…..

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Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 7:32am #1050860

NBAjunkie81
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is to just have the Worst record get the Top pick……. By making this a Lottery……….. the so called "They" don’t Have to Rig it…… This goofy System KEEPS teams Bad…..
Think about this: Phila has a HIGHER % of getting the #4 pick (35%) than they do the #1 pick (25%)………
The Lakers who can only Keep their pick if it is Top 3 pick…….. have a 45% chance of falling OUT of the Top 3 & giving that pick to Phila….. That’s a Coin flip when All they need to do is Stay in the top 3…. That is Absolutely Crazy! A 16 win team should have ZERO chance of falling out of the Top 3…..
In 2012 Charlotte won 7 games – SEVEN! No other team lost Fewer than 20 games (Btw the Sixers came within ONE win of meeting the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conf Finals)…… And New ORleans jumped Charlotte in the Draft & got the Prize #1 pick & Unibrow…… Is that fair???
Let’s Look at 2013: Orlando & Charlotte were the 2 Worst teams in the NBA (Phila was No Where close w/ 34 wins & Drafted 13th & picked MCW NOT Noel….) anyway……. Cleveland Jumps Both Orlando & Charlotte…. Orlando falls to #2 & Charlotte falls All the way to #4……… The Draft was Weak but still – it’s Ridiculous………
How about 2014? Milwaukee is the Worst team by far at 15 wins…. Phila is 2nd w/ only 19 wins….. & Cleveland Jumps Both teams w/ 33 wins the Cavs get the 1st Overall pick for the 3rd time in 4 years!!!…..
2015 Minnesota is the Worst team w/ 16 wins & the Knicks are the 2nd worst team w/ 17 wins…… And in a rare turn of Evants the Wolves actually GET the #1 but the Knicks fall to #4…… It worked out for them b/c the 2015 Draft was Very deep…… but if the Draft just went by worst record best pick you would Not have teams in Decades long losing Spirals…….
I put info about Phila b/c people seem to think they have been tanking for 10 years but this is actually year #3……. & it is the FIRST time Phila actually has the Worst record in this stretch…… But look at Sacramento & Minnesota they will Each complete their 10 consectutive Losing season this May…… a Decade of losing…… The Milwaukee Bucks have One winning season in the last 13 years – Thirteen!……
That’s only the last few Drafts but you can look back & see the Same patterns since the Lottery system began……. This system has contributed to a really poor product other than the Top 5 teams or so…. Compare it to the NFL where there is Constant turn over at the Top…..

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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 3:44pm #1050965
  
  The Scare Crow Rises
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  Please point out the facts to some of these guys who think Philadelphia is half as bad a franchise as the Kings, Wolves or even the Bucks…Just because we deliberately set out to be at the bottom of the standings for a few years doesn’t mean we’re doomed to stay there forever…
  We had to blow up our roster after that Bynum fiasco, that trade was going to put us in purgatory for a decade, but along came Sam Hinkie and with him the losses, hatred and high valued Draft Picks…
  Lets stay the course and see if we can land Brandon Ingram and Jamal Murray(via LA, as you said its a coin flip at this point), while maintaining a great chance to land Josh Jackson next year…I’ll take that over an 8th seed and early exit from the playoffs(which is the best we could do with those Iggy lead 76er squads)
  
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- Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 3:44pm #1051095
  
  The Scare Crow Rises
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  Please point out the facts to some of these guys who think Philadelphia is half as bad a franchise as the Kings, Wolves or even the Bucks…Just because we deliberately set out to be at the bottom of the standings for a few years doesn’t mean we’re doomed to stay there forever…
  We had to blow up our roster after that Bynum fiasco, that trade was going to put us in purgatory for a decade, but along came Sam Hinkie and with him the losses, hatred and high valued Draft Picks…
  Lets stay the course and see if we can land Brandon Ingram and Jamal Murray(via LA, as you said its a coin flip at this point), while maintaining a great chance to land Josh Jackson next year…I’ll take that over an 8th seed and early exit from the playoffs(which is the best we could do with those Iggy lead 76er squads)
  
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Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 10:48am #1050915

CDPH
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As a suffering 76ers fan, it would be nice if the NBA tried to prove Shaq wrong / that it wasn’t rigged by giving the 76ers the #1 pick.
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Posted on: Fri, 04/01/2016 - 10:48am #1051045

CDPH
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As a suffering 76ers fan, it would be nice if the NBA tried to prove Shaq wrong / that it wasn’t rigged by giving the 76ers the #1 pick.
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