[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

I don’t have a clue what the rest of this former #1 player in his class career is going to be like. Anyone got any predictions? Is he on the move? If I’m Boston or Chicago I’m considering it

[BlueLacesParticipant]

The Timberwolves aren’t looking to trade Muhammed. They consider him to part of their core moving forward. I expect him to make another jump in his 3rd year. He was one of the most consistent players last year for the Wolves when he was healthy.

[BlueLacesParticipant]

The Timberwolves aren’t looking to trade Muhammed. They consider him to part of their core moving forward. I expect him to make another jump in his 3rd year. He was one of the most consistent players last year for the Wolves when he was healthy.

[BallGawd01Participant]

He’s a good player, has size, can post up smaller players, and can shoot it. The wolves are definately keeping him. 

[BallGawd01Participant]

He’s a good player, has size, can post up smaller players, and can shoot it. The wolves are definately keeping him. 

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Yeah I wouldn’t trade him but the minutes distribution next season between Wiggins, Martin, LaVine, and Bazz might pose as a problem. 

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Yeah I wouldn’t trade him but the minutes distribution next season between Wiggins, Martin, LaVine, and Bazz might pose as a problem. 

[mcgee555Participant]

but not when one is always hurt…

[mcgee555Participant]

but not when one is always hurt…

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

If they decide to go small, Bazz and Wiggins can actually suit up as undersized PFs; if they go big, LaVine can also handle some PG. Martin should only be in for his shooting, nothing else really. I like a Wiggins/Martin combo best as far as starting, with both LaVine and Bazz coming from the bench.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

If they decide to go small, Bazz and Wiggins can actually suit up as undersized PFs; if they go big, LaVine can also handle some PG. Martin should only be in for his shooting, nothing else really. I like a Wiggins/Martin combo best as far as starting, with both LaVine and Bazz coming from the bench.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Wiggins Play most his minutes at SF rather than SG. Muhammed is can play both fairly easy like wiggins. Lavine is more of a combo gonna be playing PG/SG. More than likely if healthy Rubio will be starting PG. As for Kevin Martin at the age of 32 his best seasons are behind him. I would have to think it depends on how well the younger guys perform to see how many minutes kevin martin should get maybe between 25-29 mpg as a starter or key player off the bench but trust its gonna be Kevin losing minutes and the younger guys gaining minute going forward.

[Miko4rm206Participant]

 Wiggins Play most his minutes at SF rather than SG. Muhammed is can play both fairly easy like wiggins. Lavine is more of a combo gonna be playing PG/SG. More than likely if healthy Rubio will be starting PG. As for Kevin Martin at the age of 32 his best seasons are behind him. I would have to think it depends on how well the younger guys perform to see how many minutes kevin martin should get maybe between 25-29 mpg as a starter or key player off the bench but trust its gonna be Kevin losing minutes and the younger guys gaining minute going forward.

[TRC1991Participant]

He can play and guard multiple positions, and is still really young (22)…

He had a PER of 19.99 last year, which was good for 42nd in the NBA and higher than guys like Chris Bosh, Rudy Gay, John Wall, Al Jefferson, Mike Conley, Ty Lawson, Kevin Love, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard and Kyle Lowry 

 

[TRC1991Participant]

He can play and guard multiple positions, and is still really young (22)…

He had a PER of 19.99 last year, which was good for 42nd in the NBA and higher than guys like Chris Bosh, Rudy Gay, John Wall, Al Jefferson, Mike Conley, Ty Lawson, Kevin Love, Dirk Nowitzki, Dwight Howard and Kyle Lowry 

 

[llperez]

 im bazz fan and like his future, but this another example of why PER is an awful way to evaluate guys. I pay no attention to it. 

[llperez]

 im bazz fan and like his future, but this another example of why PER is an awful way to evaluate guys. I pay no attention to it. 

[IlladelphParticipant]

 I wouldn’t use PER to justify a player’s worth.  Right now Sim Bhullar is the number one player according to Hollinger with a PER of 44.4.  

Even if you ingnore him (he only plays a minute per game) as a statistical aberration, apparently Shane Wittington, Alexis Ajinca, and Shabazz Muhammad are all better than John Wall.  I don’t know about you, but you can have all three of those guys and I will take Wall.

I think PER is not great for basketball because it assigns a finite/comparable value to a player that fans are starting to use as a way to compare and value players.   Even if you were to accept that PER is the end-all evaluation tool for a basketball player, the differences in players #20-#50 is a whopping 2 PER.

And 15 is the supposed "average" PER, but Andre Igodala only has a PER of 12.34 which makes him the 42nd best SG in the league.  And how about Tiago Splitter ranking higher than Kevin Love, or Shane Wittington ahead of Zach Randolph and Dirk Nowitzki.  Greg Monroe ranked higher than Deandre Jordan (#11 ranked center)?

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 PER is a stupid accumulated boxscore stat. It’s nothing but a generic catch all, that really only pays attention to 1 side of the floor and can be influenced by things like volume without much regard for efficiency.  There are much more useful stats that have been out there for like 6-7 years.  

As for Bazz, he’s alright I guess.  He’s better than what people expected of him after the downplaying he received during and after his freshman year.  He can put the ball in the hole. His box game is good: posting, cuts, flashes, crashing the glass. He’s a good shooter from deep in low volume, but I think eventually he’s gonna have to be a reliable catch and shoot option, in volume.  The problem with Bazz is that his floor game sucks.  He’s still pretty single minded when he touches the ball.  He’s looking to score and that’s about it.  He doesn’t have a good handle so his creation from the perimeter is limited.  He’s also an absolute sieve defensively.  I saw someone say that he can guard multiple position. That’s laughable, he can’t even guard 1.  Weak lateral quicks, poor instincts ane he doesn’t recover well.  Because of those weaknesses, I think he’s a 6th man at best.

  

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 PER is a stupid accumulated boxscore stat. It’s nothing but a generic catch all, that really only pays attention to 1 side of the floor and can be influenced by things like volume without much regard for efficiency.  There are much more useful stats that have been out there for like 6-7 years.  

As for Bazz, he’s alright I guess.  He’s better than what people expected of him after the downplaying he received during and after his freshman year.  He can put the ball in the hole. His box game is good: posting, cuts, flashes, crashing the glass. He’s a good shooter from deep in low volume, but I think eventually he’s gonna have to be a reliable catch and shoot option, in volume.  The problem with Bazz is that his floor game sucks.  He’s still pretty single minded when he touches the ball.  He’s looking to score and that’s about it.  He doesn’t have a good handle so his creation from the perimeter is limited.  He’s also an absolute sieve defensively.  I saw someone say that he can guard multiple position. That’s laughable, he can’t even guard 1.  Weak lateral quicks, poor instincts ane he doesn’t recover well.  Because of those weaknesses, I think he’s a 6th man at best.

  

 

 

[IlladelphParticipant]

 I wouldn’t use PER to justify a player’s worth.  Right now Sim Bhullar is the number one player according to Hollinger with a PER of 44.4.  

Even if you ingnore him (he only plays a minute per game) as a statistical aberration, apparently Shane Wittington, Alexis Ajinca, and Shabazz Muhammad are all better than John Wall.  I don’t know about you, but you can have all three of those guys and I will take Wall.

I think PER is not great for basketball because it assigns a finite/comparable value to a player that fans are starting to use as a way to compare and value players.   Even if you were to accept that PER is the end-all evaluation tool for a basketball player, the differences in players #20-#50 is a whopping 2 PER.

And 15 is the supposed "average" PER, but Andre Igodala only has a PER of 12.34 which makes him the 42nd best SG in the league.  And how about Tiago Splitter ranking higher than Kevin Love, or Shane Wittington ahead of Zach Randolph and Dirk Nowitzki.  Greg Monroe ranked higher than Deandre Jordan (#11 ranked center)?

 

[WarblingSpamalopeParticipant]

 I was not a fan when he was picked, but now I’m a huge fan. Let me be the first to tell you he is going nowhere. He really put in work last off season and reshaped his body. I don’t think anyone paid attention to his numbers last year 13.5 pts 4.2 rbs 1.2 ast .5 stl 49% fg 39% 3pt .9 TO. People can try to discount some of the numbers on a bad team, but the percentages are hard to ignore. I think he can challenge for the 6th man of the year very quickly. I don’t see the minutes as much of a problem, because the Timberwolves seem to have a deal with their veterans. The deal is help us with the young guys now and we’ll try to take care of you in a trade down the road. I think they will find a home for Martin when the time is right.

[WarblingSpamalopeParticipant]

 I was not a fan when he was picked, but now I’m a huge fan. Let me be the first to tell you he is going nowhere. He really put in work last off season and reshaped his body. I don’t think anyone paid attention to his numbers last year 13.5 pts 4.2 rbs 1.2 ast .5 stl 49% fg 39% 3pt .9 TO. People can try to discount some of the numbers on a bad team, but the percentages are hard to ignore. I think he can challenge for the 6th man of the year very quickly. I don’t see the minutes as much of a problem, because the Timberwolves seem to have a deal with their veterans. The deal is help us with the young guys now and we’ll try to take care of you in a trade down the road. I think they will find a home for Martin when the time is right.

[providencefriars1Participant]

He was an example of so overrated that he was underrated. Similar to Kelly Oubre in the preseason. People had him as high as 3 or 4 which was ridiculous, but come June he settled nicely in the mid first round. I think Shabazz at 14 and Oubre at 15 were both appropriate values. Both players will be solid starters or valuable 6th or 7th men. Same caliber of player as Corey Brewer or Jodie Meeks.

[providencefriars1Participant]

He was an example of so overrated that he was underrated. Similar to Kelly Oubre in the preseason. People had him as high as 3 or 4 which was ridiculous, but come June he settled nicely in the mid first round. I think Shabazz at 14 and Oubre at 15 were both appropriate values. Both players will be solid starters or valuable 6th or 7th men. Same caliber of player as Corey Brewer or Jodie Meeks.

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