[XYRYXParticipant]

I just read that turkish basketball top club Anadolu Efes has signed Dario Saric to a three year 8.27 million contract for the upcoming season and now is highly unlikely to declare for the draft. 

This might not only be the a blow to teams who were looking for him this year but also for the next couple of years cause in reality 8.27 million over three years is a massive amount of money for someone his age and especially if you consider what he would get as a 2014/2015 rookie. Giannis for example was taken right in the middle of the first round last year at #15 and is earning a total of 5.62 million dollars over his first three years if the Bucks pick up his 3rd year option what is more than likely. 

What I want to say is there is not really a big chance he will come out early or at least after 2 more years in europe. If a club already pays a player this money so early, than don’t expect to lower the bar when a possible buyout clause is waved. The only scenario over the next 2-3 years where he might declare and be available is if he somehow doesn’t succeed or he doesn’t get along well there and the club want’s to get rid of him and earn some extra money with this ‘transfer’. 

 

[tkohlParticipant]

Dario Saric would be foolish not to enter the 2014 NBA Draft. If he has a 3 year deal in place and continues to develop overseas in Turkey he can command any salary he wants at the age of 22 when the NBA team that holds his rights wants to bring him over. If he were to wait and enter the 2015/16/17 Drafts he would then be subject to the rookie wage scale from that point forward. Why not enter, fall to a better team, develop overseas in a more friendly tax environment and name your price at age 22 if you are successful in Turkey. Nikola Mirotic waited 3 years and now is no longer subject to scale while developing in a more comfortable environment. The Spurs have been doing this for years, what is the harm in draft and stash, waiting until a prospect is NBA ready rather then developing him in the NBA only to lose him to free agency after you have put in the hard work. It is akin to the old days of 4 year college players, you are receiving a better developed prospect to contribute immediately. I hope he enters and the 76ers take him 10th/11th overall and leave him for 3 years abroad, not only would it allow our young players like MCW, Noel, Wroten, #2 pick (2014) to develop, but it allows us to increase our odds of keeping our 2015 1st rd pick and stagger our contract extensions if all of our young players develop as we hope. Furkan Aldemir can introduce himself and show him around his country before joining him in Philadelphia.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Tax environment isn’t a reason though. The teams in Europe pay your taxes for you, and they also pay for your agent’s fees.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Tax environment isn’t a reason though. The teams in Europe pay your taxes for you, and they also pay for your agent’s fees.

[tkohlParticipant]

Dario Saric would be foolish not to enter the 2014 NBA Draft. If he has a 3 year deal in place and continues to develop overseas in Turkey he can command any salary he wants at the age of 22 when the NBA team that holds his rights wants to bring him over. If he were to wait and enter the 2015/16/17 Drafts he would then be subject to the rookie wage scale from that point forward. Why not enter, fall to a better team, develop overseas in a more friendly tax environment and name your price at age 22 if you are successful in Turkey. Nikola Mirotic waited 3 years and now is no longer subject to scale while developing in a more comfortable environment. The Spurs have been doing this for years, what is the harm in draft and stash, waiting until a prospect is NBA ready rather then developing him in the NBA only to lose him to free agency after you have put in the hard work. It is akin to the old days of 4 year college players, you are receiving a better developed prospect to contribute immediately. I hope he enters and the 76ers take him 10th/11th overall and leave him for 3 years abroad, not only would it allow our young players like MCW, Noel, Wroten, #2 pick (2014) to develop, but it allows us to increase our odds of keeping our 2015 1st rd pick and stagger our contract extensions if all of our young players develop as we hope. Furkan Aldemir can introduce himself and show him around his country before joining him in Philadelphia.

[TenSecondTomParticipant]

The media seems to be very unreliable and based off mere speculation these days. Something like that could actually happen but nothing is set in stone yet. There was also another report saying that they have only been in contact and nothing has been agreed upon yet. I think the situation with DeSean Jackson is all media hyped and has little truth to it for another current example. My take on it is if Dario wants to play in the Euroleague before going to the NBA he should do that, but he should also consider entering the 2014 draft or maybe the 2015 draft. If he’s projected in the lottery, there is no reason not to even if he has no intentions of playing the NBA a la Fran Vasquez… idn what is making his decision to enter the draft as an international prospect so difficult because he is absolutely tearing up his competition right now. 

[TenSecondTomParticipant]

The media seems to be very unreliable and based off mere speculation these days. Something like that could actually happen but nothing is set in stone yet. There was also another report saying that they have only been in contact and nothing has been agreed upon yet. I think the situation with DeSean Jackson is all media hyped and has little truth to it for another current example. My take on it is if Dario wants to play in the Euroleague before going to the NBA he should do that, but he should also consider entering the 2014 draft or maybe the 2015 draft. If he’s projected in the lottery, there is no reason not to even if he has no intentions of playing the NBA a la Fran Vasquez… idn what is making his decision to enter the draft as an international prospect so difficult because he is absolutely tearing up his competition right now. 

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Probably because first of all his competition level is much lower than Euroleague in a big club and that’s a huge leap in competition level and also because no team in their right mind is going to pay him this kind of money just so he can walk off to the NBA a year after getting drafted. So of course they would not allow him to enter the NBA draft until his automatic draft year if they were also giving him that kind of money. Anyone that could not grasp such a simple concept as that is very stupid.

And there isn’t even any guarantee that he can even necessarily contribute all that much yet anyway to a big Euroleague club yet anyway. He’s about something like 15-20 minutes and 6 points type of player at that level right now, and that’s an ENORMOUSLY HUGE OVERPAY BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS for him. So yeah, it’s definitely something that the team would NOT be letting him just declare for the draft this year.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Probably because first of all his competition level is much lower than Euroleague in a big club and that’s a huge leap in competition level and also because no team in their right mind is going to pay him this kind of money just so he can walk off to the NBA a year after getting drafted. So of course they would not allow him to enter the NBA draft until his automatic draft year if they were also giving him that kind of money. Anyone that could not grasp such a simple concept as that is very stupid.

And there isn’t even any guarantee that he can even necessarily contribute all that much yet anyway to a big Euroleague club yet anyway. He’s about something like 15-20 minutes and 6 points type of player at that level right now, and that’s an ENORMOUSLY HUGE OVERPAY BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS for him. So yeah, it’s definitely something that the team would NOT be letting him just declare for the draft this year.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Saric could still declare and wait to come over, he might fall a bit but even if he waited until 2016 or 2017 he’d still likely go first round. I could imagine a team like the Spurs position themselves to get him.

If he has a lucrative Turkish contract in place he could easily wait to declare in 2016 when he becomes eligible automatically and then come over in 2017.

Fran Vasquez is the highest drafted player in recent years yet to play an NBA game if we discount Nerlens Noel who will make his NBA debut in due course.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Saric could still declare and wait to come over, he might fall a bit but even if he waited until 2016 or 2017 he’d still likely go first round. I could imagine a team like the Spurs position themselves to get him.

If he has a lucrative Turkish contract in place he could easily wait to declare in 2016 when he becomes eligible automatically and then come over in 2017.

Fran Vasquez is the highest drafted player in recent years yet to play an NBA game if we discount Nerlens Noel who will make his NBA debut in due course.

 

 

[European BasketballerParticipant]

It’s $8.27 million net income. So it’s like $16.5 million how the NBA counts it. Plus it includes a house, a car, and all living expenses paid. Of course US media never ever gets the European contracts right, because they don’t ever want people in USA to know that salaries can be that high in Europe.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

It’s $8.27 million net income. So it’s like $16.5 million how the NBA counts it. Plus it includes a house, a car, and all living expenses paid. Of course US media never ever gets the European contracts right, because they don’t ever want people in USA to know that salaries can be that high in Europe.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Saric is the son of a professional player, and his father was rather open about the plan of not rushing his son too soon for he has seen players get ‘lost’ by trying to jump levels before their time. The contractual problems with Bilbao (if memory serves) forces a change in plans. The original plan was for him to play last year in the Adriatic League, move onto Spain this year, and then assess the NBA based off how he developed. Dario lost much of last year as a result of his contract with Zagreb going to court. He has been dynamic this year (http://www.abaliga.com/n149/FullMatchVideo), but the Adriatic League is still the Adriatic League. It is fun to see a guy as big as him handle and pass the way he does, but he won’t appear to be as oversized in the NBA. There is not a lot of money with those teams, so he isn’t getting the same kind of competitive challenge that he will in Turkey and the Euroleague. It seems to me that the family just pushed the plan back a year. If Dario goes to Istanbul and sets the world on fire, I am sure there is a buyout. If he does not enter the draft next year or does not come over for however many years, so be it. He is a great prospect regardless as to what draft he is in. They guy has not turned 20 yet.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Why would there be any difference in size from Adriatic League to NBA? He is playing as SF mostly in Adriatic League and 6-10 to 6-11 (how NBA counts it) SF is big in any league, including NBA. And if he plays as PF, which he also does sometimes, it will be the same thing also, plenty of height, but lacking in weight for NBA, just same exact problem he has in Adriatic League.

I do not see any difference at all. Players in NBA are no bigger than players in Adriatic League. In fact they are maybe even shorter in NBA. Considering that the domestic players are almost all listed by barefoot height in Adriatic League. And especially when you consider that as a standard, guards are almost always bigger in Adriatic League than in NBA. So if anything, on average, NBA would have smaller players. So that is not actually even a factor.

[European BasketballerParticipant]

Why would there be any difference in size from Adriatic League to NBA? He is playing as SF mostly in Adriatic League and 6-10 to 6-11 (how NBA counts it) SF is big in any league, including NBA. And if he plays as PF, which he also does sometimes, it will be the same thing also, plenty of height, but lacking in weight for NBA, just same exact problem he has in Adriatic League.

I do not see any difference at all. Players in NBA are no bigger than players in Adriatic League. In fact they are maybe even shorter in NBA. Considering that the domestic players are almost all listed by barefoot height in Adriatic League. And especially when you consider that as a standard, guards are almost always bigger in Adriatic League than in NBA. So if anything, on average, NBA would have smaller players. So that is not actually even a factor.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Saric is the son of a professional player, and his father was rather open about the plan of not rushing his son too soon for he has seen players get ‘lost’ by trying to jump levels before their time. The contractual problems with Bilbao (if memory serves) forces a change in plans. The original plan was for him to play last year in the Adriatic League, move onto Spain this year, and then assess the NBA based off how he developed. Dario lost much of last year as a result of his contract with Zagreb going to court. He has been dynamic this year (http://www.abaliga.com/n149/FullMatchVideo), but the Adriatic League is still the Adriatic League. It is fun to see a guy as big as him handle and pass the way he does, but he won’t appear to be as oversized in the NBA. There is not a lot of money with those teams, so he isn’t getting the same kind of competitive challenge that he will in Turkey and the Euroleague. It seems to me that the family just pushed the plan back a year. If Dario goes to Istanbul and sets the world on fire, I am sure there is a buyout. If he does not enter the draft next year or does not come over for however many years, so be it. He is a great prospect regardless as to what draft he is in. They guy has not turned 20 yet.

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