[breese225Participant]

Why do people keep making these same Sam Hinkie Jokes about trading players for draft picks or being unpredictable? I’m not understanding where thisjoke comes from.

He’s only been the gm for two seasons so far

He traded Jrue Holiday for Nerlens Noel and got picks, and proved Jrue was being overvalued and has only played 70 games in 2 years

He traded for Dario Saric and got picks also from Orlando He drafted Joel Embiid who was the consensus number 1 pick before injury as was Nerlens Noel.

He traded an overinflatedMCW and can’t shoot/is old for his draft and is trending so far downward in statistics which will go down next year because Parker will be back and have more touches. He was just putting up numbers on a bad team and got a possible lottery pick that he can either draft or use in future trades which is what he did in Houston to acquire James Harden.

He traded KJ McDaniels because he wasn’t going to resign and wanted big money so he traded him to get assets back for a player who was leaving anyway.

Someone please explain to me how any of these moves are unreasonable/just trading around for draft picks??

[SantaTheClauseParticipant]

 You just explained it.

[SantaTheClauseParticipant]

 You just explained it.

[breese225Participant]

No..the joke is that he gives up good players for draft picks.

He has gotten arguably the top  picks from both drafts.

What good player has he traded for a draft pick that wasn’t just putting up numbers on a bad team is my question

[220Participant]

 Thaddeus Young is it. He’s not great, but he’s a good solid player.

[Ebown5Participant]

 Thad IS a good player, but he got a first round pick for a guy that was going to leave in free agency, and was subsequently traded for nothing, i.e. Garnett.

Garnett, could have been had for free at the end of the season.

Hinkie continues to win trades and draft well. 

 

 

 

 

[Ebown5Participant]

 Thad IS a good player, but he got a first round pick for a guy that was going to leave in free agency, and was subsequently traded for nothing, i.e. Garnett.

Garnett, could have been had for free at the end of the season.

Hinkie continues to win trades and draft well. 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 Thaddeus Young is it. He’s not great, but he’s a good solid player.

[breese225Participant]

No..the joke is that he gives up good players for draft picks.

He has gotten arguably the top  picks from both drafts.

What good player has he traded for a draft pick that wasn’t just putting up numbers on a bad team is my question

[Ad1977Participant]

 everyone Is entitled to their opinion but I think that most cities wish they had a GM like Hinkie that won’t settle for bein the 8th seed and pickin 15th every year.  Who cares what all these outsiders say anyway. In a couple years everyone is gonna be sayin how great the Sixers are and wish that their own team had 5 or 6 real good young players.  

 

[jtthebrickParticipant]

 It takes more than "a couple" of years for a core of young players to blossom into a contender.  Their progress may artificially appear to be faster playing in the incredibly weak East, but as we saw with Golden State, your core of players needs to hit the 25-27 age range before they can contend.

Hinkie’s method means at least 6-7 years of losing and below average basketball before we’ll even know if he selected good enough core players, and we’re just entering year 3.  It’s a huge gamble but hard to argue that actually trying to win while rebuilding is better.

 

[jtthebrickParticipant]

 It takes more than "a couple" of years for a core of young players to blossom into a contender.  Their progress may artificially appear to be faster playing in the incredibly weak East, but as we saw with Golden State, your core of players needs to hit the 25-27 age range before they can contend.

Hinkie’s method means at least 6-7 years of losing and below average basketball before we’ll even know if he selected good enough core players, and we’re just entering year 3.  It’s a huge gamble but hard to argue that actually trying to win while rebuilding is better.

 

[Ad1977Participant]

 everyone Is entitled to their opinion but I think that most cities wish they had a GM like Hinkie that won’t settle for bein the 8th seed and pickin 15th every year.  Who cares what all these outsiders say anyway. In a couple years everyone is gonna be sayin how great the Sixers are and wish that their own team had 5 or 6 real good young players.  

 

[Ad1977Participant]

by 2016 season Sixers should have Noel, Embiid, Saric, Russell/Porzingis/Mudiay, Grant, Covington, and most likely two lottery picks from 2016 draft and two more firsts and that’s not including all the 2nd round picks that might produce a couple keepers.  Minn has a nice young core and so does Orlando but the Sixers are gona be very relevavant soon.

 

[Ad1977Participant]

by 2016 season Sixers should have Noel, Embiid, Saric, Russell/Porzingis/Mudiay, Grant, Covington, and most likely two lottery picks from 2016 draft and two more firsts and that’s not including all the 2nd round picks that might produce a couple keepers.  Minn has a nice young core and so does Orlando but the Sixers are gona be very relevavant soon.

 

[machu46Participant]

None of his moves look that bad isolated from one another.  It’s just that it hasn’t really materialized into anything yet.  Embiid might miss his first two years of his career.  Noel looks promising but doesn’t really look like a franchise player or anything.  Saric hasn’t played in America yet.  They didn’t really get anything for McDaniels.

And sure, MCW’s raw numbers have declined post-trade, but he still averaged 16.8, 6.6, 4.7, and 2.4 steals per 36 with Milwaukee and had some big moments in the playoffs.  I think he’s played above what you generally get out of a mid-lottery pick through two years, and he’s about to have his first offseason of workouts.

Those last two moves are really the only two that might end up looking bad (and drafting Embiid if he never gets healthy, but that isn’t really Hinkie’s fault).

But if things don’t start to turn around this year or the next, he’ll probably be fired, and for good reason.

 

 

 

[breese225Participant]

I understand what you’re saying but a few things about Embiid/Nerlens.

1. There is now way ever that Sam hinkie, the most calculated analyzer in the sport would let Joel Embiid practice and workout vigerously if his bone wasn’t fully healed..it would be out of the question.

I believe he exagerated the report because he knows that teams doubt he will take a center if D’angelo Russell was taken by the lakers and thus would play hardball in negotiations for Okafor.

Saying that Embiid is out increases his own leverage while also stoping potential collusion between the Knicks and Lakers, who obviosly Phil Jackson and Genie Buss have a relationship….where they could just swap D’angelo and jahlil okafor to each other..Sam is putting out there that he will definitely block something like that from happening.

 

As for Nerlens, I agree he is just a good piece that may only avg 15 and 10 with 3 or 4 blocks but that’s an important piece on a team and his defensive numbers are phenomenal.

[breese225Participant]

I understand what you’re saying but a few things about Embiid/Nerlens.

1. There is now way ever that Sam hinkie, the most calculated analyzer in the sport would let Joel Embiid practice and workout vigerously if his bone wasn’t fully healed..it would be out of the question.

I believe he exagerated the report because he knows that teams doubt he will take a center if D’angelo Russell was taken by the lakers and thus would play hardball in negotiations for Okafor.

Saying that Embiid is out increases his own leverage while also stoping potential collusion between the Knicks and Lakers, who obviosly Phil Jackson and Genie Buss have a relationship….where they could just swap D’angelo and jahlil okafor to each other..Sam is putting out there that he will definitely block something like that from happening.

 

As for Nerlens, I agree he is just a good piece that may only avg 15 and 10 with 3 or 4 blocks but that’s an important piece on a team and his defensive numbers are phenomenal.

[machu46Participant]

None of his moves look that bad isolated from one another.  It’s just that it hasn’t really materialized into anything yet.  Embiid might miss his first two years of his career.  Noel looks promising but doesn’t really look like a franchise player or anything.  Saric hasn’t played in America yet.  They didn’t really get anything for McDaniels.

And sure, MCW’s raw numbers have declined post-trade, but he still averaged 16.8, 6.6, 4.7, and 2.4 steals per 36 with Milwaukee and had some big moments in the playoffs.  I think he’s played above what you generally get out of a mid-lottery pick through two years, and he’s about to have his first offseason of workouts.

Those last two moves are really the only two that might end up looking bad (and drafting Embiid if he never gets healthy, but that isn’t really Hinkie’s fault).

But if things don’t start to turn around this year or the next, he’ll probably be fired, and for good reason.

 

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

You don’t get praised for having a plan. Everyone has a plan, and becoming really bad is not the difficult part of see the plan out. Jerry West caught a lot of flack for the moves and non-moves he made in assembling the Warriors (despite already having six titles as an executive), but he deserves all the credit in the world because it worked (number 7). Why should Sam Hinkie get an unlimited time table and an uncritical audience when he has accomplished nothing? For a team going into year 3 of an unprecedented attempt to be bad, there still is no light to be seen.

Even once they get players that they like and think might become good, the hard part is still yet to come. Trading Monte Ellis for Andrew Bogut was not popular, especially for Warrior fans who argued Ellis was just as good as Kobe and Wade. The finagling to acquire and pay Andre Iguodala was difficult (and heavily criticized because he has averaged 9.3 and 7.8 PPG in the regular season). Going against the media and threatening to resign in the team traded the farm for Kevin Love was hard. Bringing in guys like Draymond Green, Shaun Livingston, and Leandro Barbosa were not no-brainers. Nothing in the whole Mark Jackson (he was successful) and Steve Kerr hiring (when he had not coached before) was not easy.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 It isn’t jsut the plan, but the fact that he has fleeced so many opposing GMs in trades and has Philly in a better situation to build a contender than they were when he was brought in.  At any time, Philly could use its cap space and stash of draft picks/young players to build a strong team or it can count on internal improvement from its young studs, few of whom have played much.  

It is still an uphill road, but the moves Hinkie has already made are better than standing pat.  The team is better prepared to win than it was before he took over.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 It isn’t jsut the plan, but the fact that he has fleeced so many opposing GMs in trades and has Philly in a better situation to build a contender than they were when he was brought in.  At any time, Philly could use its cap space and stash of draft picks/young players to build a strong team or it can count on internal improvement from its young studs, few of whom have played much.  

It is still an uphill road, but the moves Hinkie has already made are better than standing pat.  The team is better prepared to win than it was before he took over.

[slash787Participant]

Jerry West also had the Warriors tank in order for them not to lose their pick which in turn became Klay Thompson so there is that.

[slash787Participant]

Jerry West also had the Warriors tank in order for them not to lose their pick which in turn became Klay Thompson so there is that.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

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[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

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[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

You don’t get praised for having a plan. Everyone has a plan, and becoming really bad is not the difficult part of see the plan out. Jerry West caught a lot of flack for the moves and non-moves he made in assembling the Warriors (despite already having six titles as an executive), but he deserves all the credit in the world because it worked (number 7). Why should Sam Hinkie get an unlimited time table and an uncritical audience when he has accomplished nothing? For a team going into year 3 of an unprecedented attempt to be bad, there still is no light to be seen.

Even once they get players that they like and think might become good, the hard part is still yet to come. Trading Monte Ellis for Andrew Bogut was not popular, especially for Warrior fans who argued Ellis was just as good as Kobe and Wade. The finagling to acquire and pay Andre Iguodala was difficult (and heavily criticized because he has averaged 9.3 and 7.8 PPG in the regular season). Going against the media and threatening to resign in the team traded the farm for Kevin Love was hard. Bringing in guys like Draymond Green, Shaun Livingston, and Leandro Barbosa were not no-brainers. Nothing in the whole Mark Jackson (he was successful) and Steve Kerr hiring (when he had not coached before) was not easy.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Hinkie should draft the best player out there.

On the one hand, Embiid might be broken, but a rim protecting athletic defensive center like Nerlens Noel is highly fashionable.  So, I think they have something there.  

Not sure where the value is at 3.  Do you go after a shooter in Russell or a point guard in Mudiay?  Or get an import like Porzingas or Hezonja?

Nerlens Noel looks like a core guy.  I think they got that right.  

This pick at 3 is HUGE though.

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Hinkie should draft the best player out there.

On the one hand, Embiid might be broken, but a rim protecting athletic defensive center like Nerlens Noel is highly fashionable.  So, I think they have something there.  

Not sure where the value is at 3.  Do you go after a shooter in Russell or a point guard in Mudiay?  Or get an import like Porzingas or Hezonja?

Nerlens Noel looks like a core guy.  I think they got that right.  

This pick at 3 is HUGE though.

 

 

 

 

[shootingstar11Participant]

I would go either Mudiay or Porzingas.

at this point, you just cannot afford to build a team around Embiid.  A big w/ bad foot / back is always extrememly concerning.  Porzingus would form a formidable front court w/ Noel (whom i like a lot).  An athletic / powerful PG like Mudiay would also be a good option.  

Russel has the touch and some fancy passing touches, but Mudiay is a better prospect (bigger, stronger and more athletic, and he’s also got the handle.. can finish at the rim, these are the qualities you CANNOT teach / learn).

 

  

[shootingstar11Participant]

I would go either Mudiay or Porzingas.

at this point, you just cannot afford to build a team around Embiid.  A big w/ bad foot / back is always extrememly concerning.  Porzingus would form a formidable front court w/ Noel (whom i like a lot).  An athletic / powerful PG like Mudiay would also be a good option.  

Russel has the touch and some fancy passing touches, but Mudiay is a better prospect (bigger, stronger and more athletic, and he’s also got the handle.. can finish at the rim, these are the qualities you CANNOT teach / learn).

 

  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

If they get Mudiay then at least they are set at point guard and center.  Those are your two important positions then you fill in the other spots. 

I want to see what they do with all their 2nd round picks.  There are some good wings out there.  Especially if they can package some of those picks to move up into the late first round.  Thinking RJ Hunter would be nice at the 2.

 

 
 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

If they get Mudiay then at least they are set at point guard and center.  Those are your two important positions then you fill in the other spots. 

I want to see what they do with all their 2nd round picks.  There are some good wings out there.  Especially if they can package some of those picks to move up into the late first round.  Thinking RJ Hunter would be nice at the 2.

 

 
 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

At this point I’m willing to select Russell or Hezonja straight up, I feel like either would be a very good scoring Guard in our lineup…

Than I am willing to trade some of those future 1st Rounders for another crack at the Top 10

If we can, I’d like to draft a guy like Johnson, Oubre or Trey Lyles…that is IF Hezonja is NOT available…

Than I keep hearing about the Celtics willing to trade their pick if someone takes Wallace’s contract, I would make that move in a heartbeat, especially if Trey Lyles or Jerian Grant is still on the board…

They could have Russell at PG/SG, and a combo of Lyles and Grant to play PG and PF

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

At this point I’m willing to select Russell or Hezonja straight up, I feel like either would be a very good scoring Guard in our lineup…

Than I am willing to trade some of those future 1st Rounders for another crack at the Top 10

If we can, I’d like to draft a guy like Johnson, Oubre or Trey Lyles…that is IF Hezonja is NOT available…

Than I keep hearing about the Celtics willing to trade their pick if someone takes Wallace’s contract, I would make that move in a heartbeat, especially if Trey Lyles or Jerian Grant is still on the board…

They could have Russell at PG/SG, and a combo of Lyles and Grant to play PG and PF

[VRod305Participant]

He’s drafted the best player in each of his first two drafts. If Embiid never got hurt, we would have Wiggins right now. Look at the guys drafted after Embiid…Other than maybe Zach Lavine, they are all terrible. You guys can have Dante Exum and his four points per game. I would take Embiid today, tomorrow, three years from now. Look at all the guys in Noel’s draft. We clearly took the two best players in that draft.

What a lot of people don’t get, like these morons on WIP (the same guys that wanted to "drive Andre Iguodala to Denver") we tried the whole thing where we have seven mid-first round picks and get the 8-seed every year. We were never going to win a title. Never. I was at the Bulls clincher where Iggy hit the two free throws. Best NBA game I’ve seen.

We have to find superstars through the draft. Nerlens could be the best defensive player in the league in two years. Look at what Iggy did to LeBron (and he’s done that his whole career). We’re going to do things this way, and it’s going to work.

Trust the process.

[VRod305Participant]

He’s drafted the best player in each of his first two drafts. If Embiid never got hurt, we would have Wiggins right now. Look at the guys drafted after Embiid…Other than maybe Zach Lavine, they are all terrible. You guys can have Dante Exum and his four points per game. I would take Embiid today, tomorrow, three years from now. Look at all the guys in Noel’s draft. We clearly took the two best players in that draft.

What a lot of people don’t get, like these morons on WIP (the same guys that wanted to "drive Andre Iguodala to Denver") we tried the whole thing where we have seven mid-first round picks and get the 8-seed every year. We were never going to win a title. Never. I was at the Bulls clincher where Iggy hit the two free throws. Best NBA game I’ve seen.

We have to find superstars through the draft. Nerlens could be the best defensive player in the league in two years. Look at what Iggy did to LeBron (and he’s done that his whole career). We’re going to do things this way, and it’s going to work.

Trust the process.

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

Sam Hinkie has created a team of youngsters with a losing culture ,that can work but most of the time it doesn’t
Young players need veteran mentors and presence in the team to develop not just playing time .This has been said millions of times.
Looking at sixers roster,only 3 players are older than 25,Ish Smith,Luc Mbah a Moute & Jason Richardson .those are the veteran presence in the team that the young players are supposed to be looking for?
Also reaching rock bottom is dangerous .It need huge luck in the draft to work
It worked with OKC .but what about the Wolves & Kings?how many years they have been bad ?
The current NBA Champion didn’t allow their team to be that bad even during their lottery years .their match up in the western conference finals was the Rockets .what was there worst regular season in their past decade?
Hinkie is gambling and the gamble can pay off ,but it could badly backfire

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

Sam Hinkie has created a team of youngsters with a losing culture ,that can work but most of the time it doesn’t
Young players need veteran mentors and presence in the team to develop not just playing time .This has been said millions of times.
Looking at sixers roster,only 3 players are older than 25,Ish Smith,Luc Mbah a Moute & Jason Richardson .those are the veteran presence in the team that the young players are supposed to be looking for?
Also reaching rock bottom is dangerous .It need huge luck in the draft to work
It worked with OKC .but what about the Wolves & Kings?how many years they have been bad ?
The current NBA Champion didn’t allow their team to be that bad even during their lottery years .their match up in the western conference finals was the Rockets .what was there worst regular season in their past decade?
Hinkie is gambling and the gamble can pay off ,but it could badly backfire

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