[joe2324Participant]

 After watching some of these obscene salaries being handed out to a lot of mid level players, does anyone think the NBA is heading towards a bubble in terms of salaries that will eventually burst. I’m not saying this year, but  in 3 to 5 years? I mean, 50, 75, 125M salaries are being thrown around like nothing. I just wonder how the league can sustain this in the future. 

[joe2324Participant]

kind of reminds me of the tech bubble in the late 90s where companies were giving out 100k salaries to anyone with an IT degree coming out of school with no experience. Salaries were insane and off the charts during that period. Eventually, the bubble burst and everything slowly came back to reality.  

[joe2324Participant]

kind of reminds me of the tech bubble in the late 90s where companies were giving out 100k salaries to anyone with an IT degree coming out of school with no experience. Salaries were insane and off the charts during that period. Eventually, the bubble burst and everything slowly came back to reality.  

[negguaryParticipant]

PERIOD….players and nbpa will always demand that because of what the league is making as well as owners because of the tv deal…..if anything it would lead to another lockout where both parties would have to agree on new terms…..but as long that tv deals in play there’s no way players will be convinced to scale their salaries according to the old numbers.

[joe2324Participant]

I could care less if its the NORM. thats great. Is it sustainable to pay medicore guys insanely ridiculous salaries that are eventually going to dwarf baseball’s salaries. Nobody is blaming the players for taking the pay, anyone would, but I just don’t see how this won’t be a problem down the road as the new "norm" becomes a 30M salary for a role player. 

[negguaryParticipant]

 all of the hostility lol…just stating a fact that in general the salaries of players are going to stay up due to the influx of money the NBA now has. It’s just is what it is. The players salaries are proportionate to the money that the team and league has. 

[negguaryParticipant]

 all of the hostility lol…just stating a fact that in general the salaries of players are going to stay up due to the influx of money the NBA now has. It’s just is what it is. The players salaries are proportionate to the money that the team and league has. 

[joe2324Participant]

I could care less if its the NORM. thats great. Is it sustainable to pay medicore guys insanely ridiculous salaries that are eventually going to dwarf baseball’s salaries. Nobody is blaming the players for taking the pay, anyone would, but I just don’t see how this won’t be a problem down the road as the new "norm" becomes a 30M salary for a role player. 

[negguaryParticipant]

PERIOD….players and nbpa will always demand that because of what the league is making as well as owners because of the tv deal…..if anything it would lead to another lockout where both parties would have to agree on new terms…..but as long that tv deals in play there’s no way players will be convinced to scale their salaries according to the old numbers.

[XYRYXParticipant]

I’m also concerned with the sheer amount of top notch contracts being handed out to average or former good players. If the players get 50 percent of the league wide revenue, the money seems to be there and only declining TV deals could stop this but I really wonder how the players should live up to these contracts at all? 

How many of the contracts handed out went to players who have been All Stars before or more important still play on this level? The only one right now being an All Star player is Drummond if I’m not mistaken. Beal might be one soon and Horford could be back there if both healthy but other than that who will? 

Parsons, Conley, Mozgov, Solomon Hill, Noah, Deng, Anderson, Evan Turner? The list is almost everyone except Drummon, Beal and maybe Horford but this guys are humans in the first place, there will be injuries to them and how in the world will it help any team if they depend so much on individual players who aren’t Superstars and will never become Superstars? 

Parsons and Conley will earn 48 million next year, Curry, Klay and Dreymond 44 million. That’s insane

[negguaryParticipant]

complains when baseball players get they money and they been getting they money! but baseball is AMERICAS sport so they deserve it!

[negguaryParticipant]

complains when baseball players get they money and they been getting they money! but baseball is AMERICAS sport so they deserve it!

[XYRYXParticipant]

I’m also concerned with the sheer amount of top notch contracts being handed out to average or former good players. If the players get 50 percent of the league wide revenue, the money seems to be there and only declining TV deals could stop this but I really wonder how the players should live up to these contracts at all? 

How many of the contracts handed out went to players who have been All Stars before or more important still play on this level? The only one right now being an All Star player is Drummond if I’m not mistaken. Beal might be one soon and Horford could be back there if both healthy but other than that who will? 

Parsons, Conley, Mozgov, Solomon Hill, Noah, Deng, Anderson, Evan Turner? The list is almost everyone except Drummon, Beal and maybe Horford but this guys are humans in the first place, there will be injuries to them and how in the world will it help any team if they depend so much on individual players who aren’t Superstars and will never become Superstars? 

Parsons and Conley will earn 48 million next year, Curry, Klay and Dreymond 44 million. That’s insane

[Roland209Participant]

Will still be expensive. If anything they should make the food cheaper similar to what the Atlanta Falcons did.

[Roland209Participant]

Will still be expensive. If anything they should make the food cheaper similar to what the Atlanta Falcons did.

[EndlessknightParticipant]

The fact that there’s a salary cap, that’s based on a percentage of league revenue, implies that is somewhat sustainable. It’s not like these number are being pulled completely out of the air. Each team is given a budget based on league revenue/profits and allowed to spend it as they like. Some just do it stupidly.

If there were no cap guys like Lebron and Durant would be getting $60-70mil per year (if you don’t believe me just look at Jordan’s last contract with the Bulls and adjust for inflation. )

[negguaryParticipant]

my sentiments exactly!! 

[negguaryParticipant]

my sentiments exactly!! 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

The fact that there’s a salary cap, that’s based on a percentage of league revenue, implies that is somewhat sustainable. It’s not like these number are being pulled completely out of the air. Each team is given a budget based on league revenue/profits and allowed to spend it as they like. Some just do it stupidly.

If there were no cap guys like Lebron and Durant would be getting $60-70mil per year (if you don’t believe me just look at Jordan’s last contract with the Bulls and adjust for inflation. )

[holefillers1Participant]

 Teams have to get to the salary floor and the cap is going up again next year. Once the cap levels off the contracts will begin to make sense. Better players will get max deals and so on down the line. A max contract is still based on the same parameters like years in league and number of all-star games and MVP’s and other criteria that I can’t remember.  

[holefillers1Participant]

 Teams have to get to the salary floor and the cap is going up again next year. Once the cap levels off the contracts will begin to make sense. Better players will get max deals and so on down the line. A max contract is still based on the same parameters like years in league and number of all-star games and MVP’s and other criteria that I can’t remember.  

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 We are all grossly underpaid. Companies and corporations are making more than ever. They won’t share and the government does not put things in place to make them share. I say good for the players when you see how much the teams and league actually make it is deserving. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 We are all grossly underpaid. Companies and corporations are making more than ever. They won’t share and the government does not put things in place to make them share. I say good for the players when you see how much the teams and league actually make it is deserving. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 We are all grossly underpaid. Companies and corporations are making more than ever. They won’t share and the government does not put things in place to make them share. I say good for the players when you see how much the teams and league actually make it is deserving. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 We are all grossly underpaid. Companies and corporations are making more than ever. They won’t share and the government does not put things in place to make them share. I say good for the players when you see how much the teams and league actually make it is deserving. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 We are all grossly underpaid. Companies and corporations are making more than ever. They won’t share and the government does not put things in place to make them share. I say good for the players when you see how much the teams and league actually make it is deserving. 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 We are all grossly underpaid. Companies and corporations are making more than ever. They won’t share and the government does not put things in place to make them share. I say good for the players when you see how much the teams and league actually make it is deserving. 

[nill650Participant]

 as the ticket prices continue to rise and the economy continues it’s decent, a lot of franchises will go bankrupt.

 Law of supply and demand : the fact is the players are getting more revenue than ever before,which is great, get some… but the ownership and investors are writing the checks, and if the team sucks…and noone is paying the higher prices…game over

 

[publius2481Participant]

 Ticket prices have nothing to do with player salaries. Teams set them at the level that will maximize revenue. If player salaries went down, ticket prices will remain the same and owners would pocket the money. If you look across the NBA, NFL, and MLB you will find over the last several decades ticket prices have risen several times faster than player salaries.

[publius2481Participant]

 Ticket prices have nothing to do with player salaries. Teams set them at the level that will maximize revenue. If player salaries went down, ticket prices will remain the same and owners would pocket the money. If you look across the NBA, NFL, and MLB you will find over the last several decades ticket prices have risen several times faster than player salaries.

[joe2324Participant]

some people think money is infinite and supply never ends. The idea that people are going ticket prices are going to explode over the next five years is one that makes it hard to imagine most normal fans going to games anymore. Its going to get to a point where games are unafforable and not worth it, but the teams are still on the hook for those huge salaries. For one thing, when ticket prices start climbing to support these salaries, "hack a jordan" or whatever better not be a strategy because the average fan at a game wants to sit through that BS after paying for an expensive ticket. 

[publius2481Participant]

 As I said ticket prices are not affected by player salaries. If ticket prices get too high that is due to the owners being greedy and stupid. Since most owners are smart businessmen, I doubt most will make that mistake.

[publius2481Participant]

 As I said ticket prices are not affected by player salaries. If ticket prices get too high that is due to the owners being greedy and stupid. Since most owners are smart businessmen, I doubt most will make that mistake.

[joe2324Participant]

some people think money is infinite and supply never ends. The idea that people are going ticket prices are going to explode over the next five years is one that makes it hard to imagine most normal fans going to games anymore. Its going to get to a point where games are unafforable and not worth it, but the teams are still on the hook for those huge salaries. For one thing, when ticket prices start climbing to support these salaries, "hack a jordan" or whatever better not be a strategy because the average fan at a game wants to sit through that BS after paying for an expensive ticket. 

[nill650Participant]

 as the ticket prices continue to rise and the economy continues it’s decent, a lot of franchises will go bankrupt.

 Law of supply and demand : the fact is the players are getting more revenue than ever before,which is great, get some… but the ownership and investors are writing the checks, and if the team sucks…and noone is paying the higher prices…game over

 

[publius2481Participant]

 The main reason we are seeing this is because there is a maximum salary a player can receive. When the star players are vastly underpaid relative to their value that flows to other players. So barring the maximum salary provision being removed (doubt that will happen in the near future) or a large drop in league revenues, yes this is sustainable.

[joe2324Participant]

nobody is saying that star players can’t make the money they deserve. I’m talking about medicore players making obscene salaries, salaries that star players made 10 years ago.  Something has to give eventually. 

[publius2481Participant]

 Read my comment. What I said is the salaries of non-star players is inflated because the salaries for stars is artificially depressed due to a maximum limit on salaries. It is basic economics.

[nill650Participant]

 Basic economics indicates that the demand for tickets will go down not up when a team sucks…and the prices should come down…until a team can become relevant,but it is not that simple…and it never happens.

The point you are missing seems to be that franchises that have to dish out more $ to players ( and less to the investors without making it up elsewhere)all the while dishing it out to players who historically would not have received that % of the revenue and are no more capable of improving the chances of a winning team than in the past ,teams are forced to overpay for mediocrity,cannot as easily move players, and this is a recipe for disaster.

Medicrity might sell for awhile to homers but the avg. bandwagon fan will not not pay for seats in the long run.

[nill650Participant]

 Basic economics indicates that the demand for tickets will go down not up when a team sucks…and the prices should come down…until a team can become relevant,but it is not that simple…and it never happens.

The point you are missing seems to be that franchises that have to dish out more $ to players ( and less to the investors without making it up elsewhere)all the while dishing it out to players who historically would not have received that % of the revenue and are no more capable of improving the chances of a winning team than in the past ,teams are forced to overpay for mediocrity,cannot as easily move players, and this is a recipe for disaster.

Medicrity might sell for awhile to homers but the avg. bandwagon fan will not not pay for seats in the long run.

[publius2481Participant]

 Read my comment. What I said is the salaries of non-star players is inflated because the salaries for stars is artificially depressed due to a maximum limit on salaries. It is basic economics.

[joe2324Participant]

nobody is saying that star players can’t make the money they deserve. I’m talking about medicore players making obscene salaries, salaries that star players made 10 years ago.  Something has to give eventually. 

[publius2481Participant]

 The main reason we are seeing this is because there is a maximum salary a player can receive. When the star players are vastly underpaid relative to their value that flows to other players. So barring the maximum salary provision being removed (doubt that will happen in the near future) or a large drop in league revenues, yes this is sustainable.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I just read somewhere that the NBA owners just had to pay back to the players 366 million! This was because the player salaries across the entire NBA did not reach the floor (50.3% of total revenue? Something like that I think) that they should have been paid. This to me says that a pay rise was coming, irrespective of the new TV deal. Since they have the new deal, teams have more money to spend, and some of these deals are being made just so teams can hit the minimum salary floor. This means that these salaries are probably sustainable. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I just read somewhere that the NBA owners just had to pay back to the players 366 million! This was because the player salaries across the entire NBA did not reach the floor (50.3% of total revenue? Something like that I think) that they should have been paid. This to me says that a pay rise was coming, irrespective of the new TV deal. Since they have the new deal, teams have more money to spend, and some of these deals are being made just so teams can hit the minimum salary floor. This means that these salaries are probably sustainable. 

[RollingWaveParticipant]

Because

1. most contract an only go 4 years now. which is too short for that kind of problem to really build up. this isn’t like the older days where guys get 6 year contracts or more.

 

2. The cap is very unlikely to come down in the next CBA. it actually seems more likely for teams to get even more potential loopholes / exceptions to exceed the cap if anything.

 

3. Almost all teams are profitable at this point, granted that might change if we see another economic crisis.

4. The only thing that may change this a bit is a dramatic rise in rookie contracts or max contracts, but given how the CBA negotiation works this is unlikely, true max player that can be maxed no matter what are few, meaning if they go that rout there will be serious conflict within the Players association, meanwhile the PA also only represent CURRENT players who’s interest is to keep future player’s starting salary low so they get a better share.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RollingWaveParticipant]

Because

1. most contract an only go 4 years now. which is too short for that kind of problem to really build up. this isn’t like the older days where guys get 6 year contracts or more.

 

2. The cap is very unlikely to come down in the next CBA. it actually seems more likely for teams to get even more potential loopholes / exceptions to exceed the cap if anything.

 

3. Almost all teams are profitable at this point, granted that might change if we see another economic crisis.

4. The only thing that may change this a bit is a dramatic rise in rookie contracts or max contracts, but given how the CBA negotiation works this is unlikely, true max player that can be maxed no matter what are few, meaning if they go that rout there will be serious conflict within the Players association, meanwhile the PA also only represent CURRENT players who’s interest is to keep future player’s starting salary low so they get a better share.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mowestenParticipant]

 Problem is teams are going to be on the hook for guys that can’t play and that won’t on their roster in a year or two. That is where the bubble is. I’m not sure handing out four years at $70 mil to guys that can’t play is sustainable.

[mowestenParticipant]

 Problem is teams are going to be on the hook for guys that can’t play and that won’t on their roster in a year or two. That is where the bubble is. I’m not sure handing out four years at $70 mil to guys that can’t play is sustainable.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The cap explodes once because of the tv deal. It jumps this year, and goes up against next summer, but then it will for the most part level out. These three and four year contracts are going to look bad when the meaningful and impact players on these spend crazy teams hit free agency again. For the next year, it probably doesn’t matter. 

For the league, the tv bubble only bursts if the laws change on how packaging cable and satellite tv stations work. As long as channels are bundled and the likes of ESPN can reap the benefits of being on all standard tv packages, the money will continue to roll in for the NBA, NFL, and MLB.

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The cap explodes once because of the tv deal. It jumps this year, and goes up against next summer, but then it will for the most part level out. These three and four year contracts are going to look bad when the meaningful and impact players on these spend crazy teams hit free agency again. For the next year, it probably doesn’t matter. 

For the league, the tv bubble only bursts if the laws change on how packaging cable and satellite tv stations work. As long as channels are bundled and the likes of ESPN can reap the benefits of being on all standard tv packages, the money will continue to roll in for the NBA, NFL, and MLB.

 

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