[piratejpParticipant]

The more the Sac-Philly trade sinks in, the more it really hits me how badly the Kings got fleeced. This is in spite of the fact that I actually like how they spent the money freed up for the most part.

Even still, they are unlikely to crack the playoffs. Meanwhile, if Philly starts putting it together here in a few years while Sac languishes in the lottery, it could allow PHI to nab enough low-cost talent to push them into elite status. We could be looking at this trade a decade from now much like the series of trades Boston made to nab Parrish and McHale back in the day. Maybe not, probably not…but the possibility definitely exists. That alone should have given the Kings pause.

The craziest part is that Sac didn’t even need to do it. Landry’s salary could have been stretched to free up some room. It’s also crazy to sell so low on Stauskas without seeing how he develops in his second year, and Thompson might actually be tradeable around mid-season if a playoff team gets thin up front. It would’ve meant passing on Koufos, but that’s a small sacrifice for getting to keep all those valuable future 1st round picks.

Stretch Landry, keep Sauce Castillo, Thompson & the picks, and they still could’ve added Rondo & Bellinelli. Basically the Kings traded away their future for the next half-decade and Stauskas for Kosta Koufos.

Seriously Kings…WTF?!!??!? SMH

[nick5354Participant]

 I just cannot get over the fact they gave up on Stausskas so easily. 

[nick5354Participant]

 I just cannot get over the fact they gave up on Stausskas so easily. 

[SFGiantsParticipant]

 The Kings did not give up their draft picks for the next half-decade.  The Sixers have the right to swap draft picks for the next two years.  The Sixers will be worse than the Kings for the next two years.  Book it.  

Kings already have McLemore, who has more potential than Stauskas and both would be fighting for more minutes.  Stauskas’ ceiling is probably similar to a guy the Kings just signed and know what they will get (Bellineli).

 

 

[220Participant]

The biggest pick swap concern is regarding what if any projections do they have? If there are no protections they Kings could win 45 games next year, miss the playoffs, win a top 3 pick in the lottery, and then have to swap with the Sixers if they get a worse pick in the lottery. Granted the chances aren’t great, but crazy things happen. Take for example when the Clippers dumped Baron Davis to the Cavs along with an unprotected first round pick for Mo Williams. That pick ended up being the first pick in the draft and the Cavs got Kyrie Irving. That hurts. The Clippers fortunately got CP3 and that’s the only reason that trade isn’t brought up constantly.

[SFGiantsParticipant]

 What are the chances of the Kings winning 45 games and missing the playoffs while winning the lottery?  $5 games would put them in the 13-14 range, so they would have ~2% chance of picking in the top 3.

 

Which is more likely to happen?  The above scenario or keeping the pick in the top 3 and drafting a bust?

 

 

[220Participant]

True just an example. I bring that up because the Thunder won 45 games last year and missed the playoffs. There is a good chance the Kings don’t make the playoffs because the West is so tough and crazy things can happen in the lottery.

All in all there is a better chance the Kings keep their pick especially this upcoming season as the 76ers still have big holes in the roster.  The biggest concern would be major injuries to key players for the Kings. There is no easier way to derail a season than key guys going down for long periods of time. It happens to a few teams every year most notably the Thunder and Heat this past season.

I just hope for the Kings sake they at least top 3 protected the pick swaps.

 

[220Participant]

True just an example. I bring that up because the Thunder won 45 games last year and missed the playoffs. There is a good chance the Kings don’t make the playoffs because the West is so tough and crazy things can happen in the lottery.

All in all there is a better chance the Kings keep their pick especially this upcoming season as the 76ers still have big holes in the roster.  The biggest concern would be major injuries to key players for the Kings. There is no easier way to derail a season than key guys going down for long periods of time. It happens to a few teams every year most notably the Thunder and Heat this past season.

I just hope for the Kings sake they at least top 3 protected the pick swaps.

 

[SFGiantsParticipant]

 What are the chances of the Kings winning 45 games and missing the playoffs while winning the lottery?  $5 games would put them in the 13-14 range, so they would have ~2% chance of picking in the top 3.

 

Which is more likely to happen?  The above scenario or keeping the pick in the top 3 and drafting a bust?

 

 

[220Participant]

The biggest pick swap concern is regarding what if any projections do they have? If there are no protections they Kings could win 45 games next year, miss the playoffs, win a top 3 pick in the lottery, and then have to swap with the Sixers if they get a worse pick in the lottery. Granted the chances aren’t great, but crazy things happen. Take for example when the Clippers dumped Baron Davis to the Cavs along with an unprotected first round pick for Mo Williams. That pick ended up being the first pick in the draft and the Cavs got Kyrie Irving. That hurts. The Clippers fortunately got CP3 and that’s the only reason that trade isn’t brought up constantly.

[piratejpParticipant]

They don’t deliver the first-rounder and the swaps until after the pick owed to the Bulls has been delivered. When you throw that pick in the mix, the Kings have the potential to make the lottery the next five years and not get to make four of those picks for themselves. That’s about as close to giving up half a decade’s worth of picks as you can get in the modern NBA.

[220Participant]

 I haven’t seen full details on the pick swaps, but I believe they are active in 2016 and 2017 and the only thing that stops them is the pick going to the Bulls.

 The first round pick won’t be delivered until after the Bulls deal is fulfilled. The latest the first rounder becomes available is 2018 and that’s assuming the Kings don’t finish higher than 10th the next two years. If the Bulls first round pick isn’t delivered by 2017 then the Bulls will only get a second round pick in 2018.

[220Participant]

 I haven’t seen full details on the pick swaps, but I believe they are active in 2016 and 2017 and the only thing that stops them is the pick going to the Bulls.

 The first round pick won’t be delivered until after the Bulls deal is fulfilled. The latest the first rounder becomes available is 2018 and that’s assuming the Kings don’t finish higher than 10th the next two years. If the Bulls first round pick isn’t delivered by 2017 then the Bulls will only get a second round pick in 2018.

[LovebugParticipant]

the pick swaps will be the next two years, regardless if the pick goes to the Bulls. Stop lying to embarrass my team

kings will be better than the Sixers during swaps

stauskas sucks

we need to build around Cousins and Gay 

[LovebugParticipant]

the pick swaps will be the next two years, regardless if the pick goes to the Bulls. Stop lying to embarrass my team

kings will be better than the Sixers during swaps

stauskas sucks

we need to build around Cousins and Gay 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Both teams will be in the lottery so it doesn’t matter that the Kings will be better, the Sixers effectivly get to add the Kings ping pong balls to theirs. And given the difference between the West and East I could see the the Sixers making the playoffs in 2016-17 while the Kings miss out. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Both teams will be in the lottery so it doesn’t matter that the Kings will be better, the Sixers effectivly get to add the Kings ping pong balls to theirs. And given the difference between the West and East I could see the the Sixers making the playoffs in 2016-17 while the Kings miss out. 

[antiwork3000Participant]

Hahaha no 

[antiwork3000Participant]

Hahaha no 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 The bucks won 15 games in 2013-14 and then made the playoffs the very next year. By 2016-17 the Sixers will add Saric, Embiid, a top 2016 pick (Simmons?) and as many as 3 other first round picks. Making the playoffs by then is very likely. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 The bucks won 15 games in 2013-14 and then made the playoffs the very next year. By 2016-17 the Sixers will add Saric, Embiid, a top 2016 pick (Simmons?) and as many as 3 other first round picks. Making the playoffs by then is very likely. 

[piratejpParticipant]

They don’t deliver the first-rounder and the swaps until after the pick owed to the Bulls has been delivered. When you throw that pick in the mix, the Kings have the potential to make the lottery the next five years and not get to make four of those picks for themselves. That’s about as close to giving up half a decade’s worth of picks as you can get in the modern NBA.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

If Cousins gets hurt, the Kings will be worse than the Sixers

[antiwork3000Participant]

If Cuz gets hurt and even though Kings are in the West, they’ll still have a better record than sixers.  Last year with 3 coaches and Cuz/Collison missing significant games they still somehow pulled out 29 wins (crazy, i dunno how they did it).  Belinelli > Stuaskas.  Koufos > Thompson.  WCS > Landry (injured most of season).  Rondo > Andre Miller.  Even if Cuz gets hurt they’ll probably be around 35 to 40 wins.  I’m not sure sixers will crack 25 wins.  2017 will be the same unless sixers can trade all the young guys for some veterans.

[antiwork3000Participant]

If Cuz gets hurt and even though Kings are in the West, they’ll still have a better record than sixers.  Last year with 3 coaches and Cuz/Collison missing significant games they still somehow pulled out 29 wins (crazy, i dunno how they did it).  Belinelli > Stuaskas.  Koufos > Thompson.  WCS > Landry (injured most of season).  Rondo > Andre Miller.  Even if Cuz gets hurt they’ll probably be around 35 to 40 wins.  I’m not sure sixers will crack 25 wins.  2017 will be the same unless sixers can trade all the young guys for some veterans.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

If Cousins gets hurt, the Kings will be worse than the Sixers

[SFGiantsParticipant]

 The Kings did not give up their draft picks for the next half-decade.  The Sixers have the right to swap draft picks for the next two years.  The Sixers will be worse than the Kings for the next two years.  Book it.  

Kings already have McLemore, who has more potential than Stauskas and both would be fighting for more minutes.  Stauskas’ ceiling is probably similar to a guy the Kings just signed and know what they will get (Bellineli).

 

 

[hbomb3300Participant]

Not only did the Kings make a horrible trade to free up all of that cap room, but the main reason they did it, Wesley Mathews, refused their HUGE offer because their organization is so terrible.  This is what a disaster looks like.  Even if he would of accepted that offer, it would of been a horrible move to give a perimeter player coming off a torn achilles that much money!   

On the other end, I was very impressed with this shrewd move by Hinke.  He is setting up that franchise for long term success in a league where most teams are only thinking about next season.

 

[antiwork3000Participant]

Best case scenario – they are the Thunders where they have a 3 to 4 year window before all their young guys get into their second contracts at the same time.   I’m just not seeing it.  Looks like a slow motion car crash to me.  

[antiwork3000Participant]

Best case scenario – they are the Thunders where they have a 3 to 4 year window before all their young guys get into their second contracts at the same time.   I’m just not seeing it.  Looks like a slow motion car crash to me.  

[hbomb3300Participant]

Not only did the Kings make a horrible trade to free up all of that cap room, but the main reason they did it, Wesley Mathews, refused their HUGE offer because their organization is so terrible.  This is what a disaster looks like.  Even if he would of accepted that offer, it would of been a horrible move to give a perimeter player coming off a torn achilles that much money!   

On the other end, I was very impressed with this shrewd move by Hinke.  He is setting up that franchise for long term success in a league where most teams are only thinking about next season.

 

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Be one of the best teams in the league over the next 10 years then right?

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Be one of the best teams in the league over the next 10 years then right?

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

Anything can happen over the course of 10 years.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

Anything can happen over the course of 10 years.

[antiwork3000Participant]

Kings can simply be the sixers if they want… simply trade Cuz to Boston for their 200 picks. 

[antiwork3000Participant]

Kings can simply be the sixers if they want… simply trade Cuz to Boston for their 200 picks. 

[MattP31Participant]

I saw it mentioned that the pick swaps aren’t until after the Bulls get a pick. That’s wrong. The pick swaps are in 16 and 17, and if the Bulls happen to get the Kings pick, the pick swap is off the table for that year with the Sixers getting nothing for that. No protections on the swaps.

The first rounder is 2 years after the Bulls get the pick or 2018 if the Bulls pick gets switched into 2 2’s. The pick CAN become unprotected. It’s top 10 protected for 18 and 19 and unprotected in 20. Not sure if it’s still unprotected in 20 and not 21 if the Sixers aren’t eligible to get the pick in 18 though. 

[MattP31Participant]

I saw it mentioned that the pick swaps aren’t until after the Bulls get a pick. That’s wrong. The pick swaps are in 16 and 17, and if the Bulls happen to get the Kings pick, the pick swap is off the table for that year with the Sixers getting nothing for that. No protections on the swaps.

The first rounder is 2 years after the Bulls get the pick or 2018 if the Bulls pick gets switched into 2 2’s. The pick CAN become unprotected. It’s top 10 protected for 18 and 19 and unprotected in 20. Not sure if it’s still unprotected in 20 and not 21 if the Sixers aren’t eligible to get the pick in 18 though. 

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