[therealbballerParticipant]

The Minnesota Timberwolves are starting to build a talented young team, and i belive they need to improve their shooting.
I’m not saying that Ricky Rubio should be traded(i love the guy) but what value do you belive he could draw in a possible trade, if Minnesota would choose to go in that direction? 

Intrested to hear your opinions

[river09Participant]

 I think they need to stand pat where they are and not break anything up, grabbing a few shooters over the off season and KAT, Lavine, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad being a year better might just do the trick.. I think they are on a good course, yes Rubio isn’t a good shooter, but very soon (and lately) they won’t need him to be anything but a game manager.. 

[river09Participant]

 I think they need to stand pat where they are and not break anything up, grabbing a few shooters over the off season and KAT, Lavine, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad being a year better might just do the trick.. I think they are on a good course, yes Rubio isn’t a good shooter, but very soon (and lately) they won’t need him to be anything but a game manager.. 

[ph90702]

Rubio is five years older than the main core.  They should trade him.

[ph90702]

Rubio is five years older than the main core.  They should trade him.

[markfitz14Participant]

 I would perfer the PG be older anyway. More experience, makes it easier to be a leader for him. 

Plus they aren’t going to contend just by trading him. They should just hold off until the time is right. Prbly another year maybe more.

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 I would perfer the PG be older anyway. More experience, makes it easier to be a leader for him. 

Plus they aren’t going to contend just by trading him. They should just hold off until the time is right. Prbly another year maybe more.

 

[chall23Participant]

 Crazy to think Rubio is 10 months younger than Dieng….

[chall23Participant]

 Crazy to think Rubio is 10 months younger than Dieng….

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Keep Rubio for now and let Kris Dunn develop behind him for a couple of years. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

Keep Rubio for now and let Kris Dunn develop behind him for a couple of years. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I’m a big Rubio fan but fully admit he’s not a good shooter. But with KAT, Wiggins, Lavine and co there, I see him as mainly being a creator for them.

[HitsterParticipant]

 I’m a big Rubio fan but fully admit he’s not a good shooter. But with KAT, Wiggins, Lavine and co there, I see him as mainly being a creator for them.

[HitsterParticipant]

 I’m a big Rubio fan but fully admit he’s not a good shooter. But with KAT, Wiggins, Lavine and co there, I see him as mainly being a creator for them.

[HitsterParticipant]

 I’m a big Rubio fan but fully admit he’s not a good shooter. But with KAT, Wiggins, Lavine and co there, I see him as mainly being a creator for them.

[TravelinTravParticipant]

1st No need to trade him. If the Wolves draft Buddy or Murray and add a sharp shooter EX Korver and or Reddick ( not saying they will land either)  they would be a dangerous team. No need to have Rubio shoot at all if this happens

2nd going back to the post-his trade value would depend on the status of another team. If a teams PG had a seroius season ending injury or a on early retirement. Like CP3 for example I could see the Clippers or another similar team trading some assets for him. As far as a summer or mid next season trade it would be tough to get a good value player in return. Maybe a mid 1st rounder but that’s not really worth it. On ESPN trade machine Rubio and Mahumad for Kyrie works!!

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I really like Jamal Murray as a PG for them. Wiggins and LaVine handle the ball enough: they don’t need a main ball handler. Murray has s little PG experience- enough to bring it up the floor. Most importantly, he spreads the floor: something they can’t do with Rubio. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 I really like Jamal Murray as a PG for them. Wiggins and LaVine handle the ball enough: they don’t need a main ball handler. Murray has s little PG experience- enough to bring it up the floor. Most importantly, he spreads the floor: something they can’t do with Rubio. 

[TravelinTravParticipant]

1st No need to trade him. If the Wolves draft Buddy or Murray and add a sharp shooter EX Korver and or Reddick ( not saying they will land either)  they would be a dangerous team. No need to have Rubio shoot at all if this happens

2nd going back to the post-his trade value would depend on the status of another team. If a teams PG had a seroius season ending injury or a on early retirement. Like CP3 for example I could see the Clippers or another similar team trading some assets for him. As far as a summer or mid next season trade it would be tough to get a good value player in return. Maybe a mid 1st rounder but that’s not really worth it. On ESPN trade machine Rubio and Mahumad for Kyrie works!!

[ChewyParticipant]

 didn’t develop a jumpshot until his 60th birthday. But he was still able to lead teams his entire career. Rubio is part of a now rare breed of non scoring PGs.

It’s obvious Rubio can’t shoot and is an even worse closer (I remember a year or two ago he led the league in lowest FG % for 4th Quarter and Overtime).

But as River and Hister said: with Wiggins and KAT you now have 2 closers to go to. Rubio can rely on just being a facilitator, which does fit his game well.

 

 

[ChewyParticipant]

 didn’t develop a jumpshot until his 60th birthday. But he was still able to lead teams his entire career. Rubio is part of a now rare breed of non scoring PGs.

It’s obvious Rubio can’t shoot and is an even worse closer (I remember a year or two ago he led the league in lowest FG % for 4th Quarter and Overtime).

But as River and Hister said: with Wiggins and KAT you now have 2 closers to go to. Rubio can rely on just being a facilitator, which does fit his game well.

 

 

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

Unless a good enough trade came along (Khris Middleton for Rubio was proposed at the deadline), keep him. They have much bigger things to worry about than him. He does have a poor J, but his shooting doesnt define his game. Let’s not forget that he’s arguably the best passer in the NBA, has an absurdly high bball IQ, and (when healthy) is one of the best defensive PGs. Unless you can get an upper tier PG (and Rubio is really only a J away from being an elite PG), they should keep him. Drafting Dunn would delay the development of KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine, and he’s not that much different from Rubio. Stand pat, and the Wolves need to do better surrounding him with better shooters, a coach that will actually allow 3s instead of a million long 2s, and a bench that has at least one competent piece.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

Unless a good enough trade came along (Khris Middleton for Rubio was proposed at the deadline), keep him. They have much bigger things to worry about than him. He does have a poor J, but his shooting doesnt define his game. Let’s not forget that he’s arguably the best passer in the NBA, has an absurdly high bball IQ, and (when healthy) is one of the best defensive PGs. Unless you can get an upper tier PG (and Rubio is really only a J away from being an elite PG), they should keep him. Drafting Dunn would delay the development of KAT, Wiggins, and Lavine, and he’s not that much different from Rubio. Stand pat, and the Wolves need to do better surrounding him with better shooters, a coach that will actually allow 3s instead of a million long 2s, and a bench that has at least one competent piece.

[HitsterParticipant]

Other point came to mind with the T-Wolves:-

1. Could Lavine or Wiggins be the main ball handler or say Simmons if they lucked on him in the draft?

2. What sort of star player could they get for Rubio and this year’s draft pick if it ends up 5th-7th or how far could they move up the draft with that package?

3. Would a player like Schroder be a better fit than Rubio – lets say Schroder was in play, T-Wolves take him, move Rubio on say to Philly and the Hawks get picks from T-Wolves and Philly – level of picks to be decided. 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Other point came to mind with the T-Wolves:-

1. Could Lavine or Wiggins be the main ball handler or say Simmons if they lucked on him in the draft?

2. What sort of star player could they get for Rubio and this year’s draft pick if it ends up 5th-7th or how far could they move up the draft with that package?

3. Would a player like Schroder be a better fit than Rubio – lets say Schroder was in play, T-Wolves take him, move Rubio on say to Philly and the Hawks get picks from T-Wolves and Philly – level of picks to be decided. 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Other point came to mind with the T-Wolves:-

1. Could Lavine or Wiggins be the main ball handler or say Simmons if they lucked on him in the draft?

2. What sort of star player could they get for Rubio and this year’s draft pick if it ends up 5th-7th or how far could they move up the draft with that package?

3. Would a player like Schroder be a better fit than Rubio – lets say Schroder was in play, T-Wolves take him, move Rubio on say to Philly and the Hawks get picks from T-Wolves and Philly – level of picks to be decided. 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Other point came to mind with the T-Wolves:-

1. Could Lavine or Wiggins be the main ball handler or say Simmons if they lucked on him in the draft?

2. What sort of star player could they get for Rubio and this year’s draft pick if it ends up 5th-7th or how far could they move up the draft with that package?

3. Would a player like Schroder be a better fit than Rubio – lets say Schroder was in play, T-Wolves take him, move Rubio on say to Philly and the Hawks get picks from T-Wolves and Philly – level of picks to be decided. 

 

 

[phila9012Participant]

 As a twolves fan, I would be open to trading rubio for schroder or to get a pick to take kris dunn. At the end of games and when you play meaningful games in the playoffs you need your point guard to be able to be a solid shooter and scorer. It isn’t too big of a deal now but it will be in the future. Schroder can at least get you a basket if you need one and has a solid improvable shot. 

[phila9012Participant]

 As a twolves fan, I would be open to trading rubio for schroder or to get a pick to take kris dunn. At the end of games and when you play meaningful games in the playoffs you need your point guard to be able to be a solid shooter and scorer. It isn’t too big of a deal now but it will be in the future. Schroder can at least get you a basket if you need one and has a solid improvable shot. 

[doubledribblerParticipant]

There is no reason to trade Rubio. It doesn’t make them better long-term or short-term to trade him and they will probably not get equal value. Above all else, he seems to want to be there. He’s got some holes in his game, but he’s going to help the rest of the guys develop. He’s perfect for the guys they have. You have a big that needs the ball and wings that need the ball. He’s not competing for shots with the other guys. If you don’t think he is the solution for the future then you can always develop someone behind him.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

There is no reason to trade Rubio. It doesn’t make them better long-term or short-term to trade him and they will probably not get equal value. Above all else, he seems to want to be there. He’s got some holes in his game, but he’s going to help the rest of the guys develop. He’s perfect for the guys they have. You have a big that needs the ball and wings that need the ball. He’s not competing for shots with the other guys. If you don’t think he is the solution for the future then you can always develop someone behind him.

[r377Participant]

I like Ricky. If he was playing with Ray Allen, Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton this would not be a problem…

The Wolves just need some good 3 point shooting. Getting Murray or Hield would def helps things out.

Shabazz was starting to look good last season but in the few games I have seen him play he looks just like a playground chucker. I believe he has shot the ball more times than he actually passed it !!

Tayshaun Prince should give Shabazz a kick up the arse – he just needs better shot selection…

[r377Participant]

I like Ricky. If he was playing with Ray Allen, Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton this would not be a problem…

The Wolves just need some good 3 point shooting. Getting Murray or Hield would def helps things out.

Shabazz was starting to look good last season but in the few games I have seen him play he looks just like a playground chucker. I believe he has shot the ball more times than he actually passed it !!

Tayshaun Prince should give Shabazz a kick up the arse – he just needs better shot selection…

[benny15Participant]

 shooting is important, but improving that aspect as a team can be done more with further development with their young talented core of wiggins, towns and lavine. like a lot of people on this thread, im for drafting buddy hield. i think if the timberwolves ever need to have both back-court options as outside threats they can just play both lavine and hield.

where i think this team really needs to go forward and be competitive is to change their identity and become a deffensive team. im not just talking about their personell, but more importantly their system. they feature a starting line-up of arguably 5 good deffenders in Towns, Dieng, Wiggins and Rubio and yet, they are a bottom five in opponents FG%. they can retain their up tempo pace, the warriors surrender 104.6 points per game, which is 9th highest in the league, difference though is that they make their opponents work for it. golden state is a top 5 team in opponent fg%. with the current core of this team, i dont see why they cant replicate something simillar.

Given all that, I do think its very important to keep Rubio because he is the team’s best deffensive point guard, and that includes zach lavine. if they embrace that end of the court, they can grind out games in the 4th quarter and as mentioned earlier, they already have 2 top offensive closers on the roster. they just have to put them in a position to make baskets in the end matter, and you do that by getting stops.

 

 

[benny15Participant]

 shooting is important, but improving that aspect as a team can be done more with further development with their young talented core of wiggins, towns and lavine. like a lot of people on this thread, im for drafting buddy hield. i think if the timberwolves ever need to have both back-court options as outside threats they can just play both lavine and hield.

where i think this team really needs to go forward and be competitive is to change their identity and become a deffensive team. im not just talking about their personell, but more importantly their system. they feature a starting line-up of arguably 5 good deffenders in Towns, Dieng, Wiggins and Rubio and yet, they are a bottom five in opponents FG%. they can retain their up tempo pace, the warriors surrender 104.6 points per game, which is 9th highest in the league, difference though is that they make their opponents work for it. golden state is a top 5 team in opponent fg%. with the current core of this team, i dont see why they cant replicate something simillar.

Given all that, I do think its very important to keep Rubio because he is the team’s best deffensive point guard, and that includes zach lavine. if they embrace that end of the court, they can grind out games in the 4th quarter and as mentioned earlier, they already have 2 top offensive closers on the roster. they just have to put them in a position to make baskets in the end matter, and you do that by getting stops.

 

 

[TravelinTravParticipant]

The main knock on the wolves D other than low defensive IQ is most of the squad has long and lanky  bodies. They may fill out in the next couple years but Wiggins, Deng and Towns are naturally skinny people. Not saying all good defensive players are huge or overweight. I agree with Heild or Murray the team needs at least 1 great shooter. After that they need a bruising big or wing. Some real old school tough guy, Whiteside would be a great fit.

[TravelinTravParticipant]

The main knock on the wolves D other than low defensive IQ is most of the squad has long and lanky  bodies. They may fill out in the next couple years but Wiggins, Deng and Towns are naturally skinny people. Not saying all good defensive players are huge or overweight. I agree with Heild or Murray the team needs at least 1 great shooter. After that they need a bruising big or wing. Some real old school tough guy, Whiteside would be a great fit.

[HitsterParticipant]

I don’t see Whiteside really at the T-Wolves, KAT is their long term C and playing Whiteside as a PF would probably not be his prefered position. With KG and Prince on the roster, these guys can help instill defence into the youngsters.

[HitsterParticipant]

I don’t see Whiteside really at the T-Wolves, KAT is their long term C and playing Whiteside as a PF would probably not be his prefered position. With KG and Prince on the roster, these guys can help instill defence into the youngsters.

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