[llperez]

questioned just popped in my head and i thought i would see if any of you guys knew the answer. If there is no season next year but the lockout ends prior to the 2012 draft. How would the nba determine the order of selections for the 2012 draft? It seems kinda unfair to go based on 2011 standings basically giving the teams that finished near the bottom back to back drafts of high picks. And if it was random, things could get interesting with top teams like the lakers, mavs heat etc. possibly getting lotto picks.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

 thats a helluva question, Hmmmmmmmm…..

[MagikKnickParticipant]

 thats a helluva question, Hmmmmmmmm…..

[bigdaddybluesmanParticipant]

That’s one of the best questions I have read here. So what your saying is if there is no season how would the NBA draft figure out the selection order, is that what you’re saying?

So if the season was NOT played but before the draft the players finally did sign a contract how could they hold an NBA draft without a draft oder. Does everybody go into a pool like the lottery? Do you use the 2010-2011 season, would that be fare.

Some thing I think might be on the minds of some NBA owners and GMs.

What if your team is so so and it’s a short season. Do you dump the season to get into the lottery? Like the Spurs did to get Duncan. If I’m a lower tier team in a short season I dump the whole season to get a better player in the draft for sure!!!

[bigdaddybluesmanParticipant]

That’s one of the best questions I have read here. So what your saying is if there is no season how would the NBA draft figure out the selection order, is that what you’re saying?

So if the season was NOT played but before the draft the players finally did sign a contract how could they hold an NBA draft without a draft oder. Does everybody go into a pool like the lottery? Do you use the 2010-2011 season, would that be fare.

Some thing I think might be on the minds of some NBA owners and GMs.

What if your team is so so and it’s a short season. Do you dump the season to get into the lottery? Like the Spurs did to get Duncan. If I’m a lower tier team in a short season I dump the whole season to get a better player in the draft for sure!!!

[apb540Participant]

I have been wondering this for a while myself.  Can’t wait to see if someone has a good answer. 

[apb540Participant]

I have been wondering this for a while myself.  Can’t wait to see if someone has a good answer. 

[TheFactionCoalition.comParticipant]

David Stern picks the order 🙂

[TheFactionCoalition.comParticipant]

David Stern picks the order 🙂

[aamir543Participant]

Well, from what I can tell, there as long as there is no collective bargaining agreement, there will be no draft. But lets say if one is agreed upon but they decide to forgo the season, I believe that they will stick with the current order. However lets hop it doesn’t come to that, and can someone confirm that for me, because I may be wrong.

[aamir543Participant]

Well, from what I can tell, there as long as there is no collective bargaining agreement, there will be no draft. But lets say if one is agreed upon but they decide to forgo the season, I believe that they will stick with the current order. However lets hop it doesn’t come to that, and can someone confirm that for me, because I may be wrong.

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

These questions were asked a little while ago and from what I gathered a few people were fairly confident in their answers that the draft order from the pervious draft would be used and it will still be used even if a few games were played because there is a minimum number of games that have to be played to be considered a season.

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

These questions were asked a little while ago and from what I gathered a few people were fairly confident in their answers that the draft order from the pervious draft would be used and it will still be used even if a few games were played because there is a minimum number of games that have to be played to be considered a season.

[mosdefParticipant]

that the lottery and draft are predicated on the last recorded season before the season officially ended on July 1st. If there is no 2012 season, then the last recorded season is the order the draft is set. If a player is has a 5 year contract which ends in the year 2015 and there is a lockout, the contract isnt extended to the year 2016. the year missed is counted. Im only assuming that the same would apply for the draft.

I dont see how getting every team in a draft lottery would help the NBA when they are trying to get to a collective agreement on teams which would result in parity, much like the NFL. If you are a Laker, Heat or any other big market team, you would want that but the smaller market and bad teams wouldnt, and isnt that what they are trying to get rid of with the lockout.

also, teams with owed picks would be rewarded the rights to any owed picks in the draft. I think they would redo the lottery portion of the 14 teams just to straighten that part out- as in GS has a top 7 protected pick for next year but if not a top 7 it goes to NJ

[mosdefParticipant]

that the lottery and draft are predicated on the last recorded season before the season officially ended on July 1st. If there is no 2012 season, then the last recorded season is the order the draft is set. If a player is has a 5 year contract which ends in the year 2015 and there is a lockout, the contract isnt extended to the year 2016. the year missed is counted. Im only assuming that the same would apply for the draft.

I dont see how getting every team in a draft lottery would help the NBA when they are trying to get to a collective agreement on teams which would result in parity, much like the NFL. If you are a Laker, Heat or any other big market team, you would want that but the smaller market and bad teams wouldnt, and isnt that what they are trying to get rid of with the lockout.

also, teams with owed picks would be rewarded the rights to any owed picks in the draft. I think they would redo the lottery portion of the 14 teams just to straighten that part out- as in GS has a top 7 protected pick for next year but if not a top 7 it goes to NJ

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Its funny,but someone asked David Stern that same question in a meeting a few weeks ago..And his answer was”’We will address that issue when it comes up”..

The NBA has always tried to be fair…I think they might have the same teams that were in the lottery and do it again..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Its funny,but someone asked David Stern that same question in a meeting a few weeks ago..And his answer was”’We will address that issue when it comes up”..

The NBA has always tried to be fair…I think they might have the same teams that were in the lottery and do it again..

[llperez]

well if they do go with the last recorded season ( i honestly dont think the nba even knows the answer to this question at the moment and would probably have to figure something out) then the clippers and wolves will be loving life as they have the top 2 picks.

[llperez]

well if they do go with the last recorded season ( i honestly dont think the nba even knows the answer to this question at the moment and would probably have to figure something out) then the clippers and wolves will be loving life as they have the top 2 picks.

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

I think how it works is not that they use they exact draft order, but they use the season record order and redo the draft lotto as well. Which is more fair to everyone.

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

I think how it works is not that they use they exact draft order, but they use the season record order and redo the draft lotto as well. Which is more fair to everyone.

[kobyzParticipant]

no matter what they will decide, it will be a scandal!

[kobyzParticipant]

no matter what they will decide, it will be a scandal!

[TyroberParticipant]

 There will be a weighted system for every team. Not just the lottery teams. Minnesota and Cleveland wont have the 25% and 20% chances but they will still have the biggest two. The Lakers, HEAT, Chicago, or OKC could get it, but they would all have less than .1 chance of getting it. But it would be weighted for all teams. Saw Larry Coon post it

[TyroberParticipant]

 There will be a weighted system for every team. Not just the lottery teams. Minnesota and Cleveland wont have the 25% and 20% chances but they will still have the biggest two. The Lakers, HEAT, Chicago, or OKC could get it, but they would all have less than .1 chance of getting it. But it would be weighted for all teams. Saw Larry Coon post it

[TyroberParticipant]

 @llperez. The wolves do not care about the draft next season. The clippers own their pick

[TyroberParticipant]

 @llperez. The wolves do not care about the draft next season. The clippers own their pick

[Johnny Chill]

Doesnt David Stern always picks the order?

[Johnny Chill]

Doesnt David Stern always picks the order?

[Kinguy11Participant]

Maybe the whole NBA goes into the lottery.

[Kinguy11Participant]

Maybe the whole NBA goes into the lottery.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Hold two unweighted lotteries, one for the 2011 lottery teams with each having an equal chance to get one of the top 14 picks, and one for the 2011 playoff teams, with each having an equal chance to get a pick 15-30.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

Hold two unweighted lotteries, one for the 2011 lottery teams with each having an equal chance to get one of the top 14 picks, and one for the 2011 playoff teams, with each having an equal chance to get a pick 15-30.

[daryry2412Participant]

One possible solution (that I JUST came up with after reading this) is that the NBA could have a draft more like a fantasy auction bidding draft.  The differences would be that:

1. Have the order determined by TWO SEPERATE LOTTERYS.  One for the playoff teams and another for non-playoff teams.  They already have a lottery for teams that don’t make the playoffs, why not another one to add more parity between the two drafts?  The NBA could use the current lottery system for teams that didn’t make the playoffs and the standings from the 2010-2011 season to provide the odds of each team getting their pick.  Then for the playoff teams, they could set a similar order based on BOTH regular season standings AND playoff finishes (where the team exits in the playoffs supercedes regular season record). This allows a team like San Antonio to pick earlier than Oklahoma City even though the Spurs finished with better regular season record because the Thunder advanced to the conference finals (because honestly, who looks like MORE of a contender?  It’s obviously the Thunder, and giving them another draft where they pick before the Spurs isn’t really fair).  Using this system, the order for the PLAYOFF TEAMS BEFORE THE LOTTERY would be (and obviously a lottery would likely change the order in several ways):

15: Indiana Pacers

16: Philadelphia 76ers

17: New York Knicks

18: New Orleans Hornets

19: Portland Trailblazers

20: Denver Nuggets

21: Orlando Magic

22: San Antonio Spurs

23: Atlanta Hawks

24: Memphis Grizzlies

25: Boston Celtics

26: Los Angeles Lakers

27: Oklahoma City Thunder

28: Chicago Bulls

29: Miami Heat

30: Dallas Mavericks

2. The order the players are placed in to bid on is determined by a consensus draft board that is comprised of a "Top 60 Big Board" from each team in the league.  Each team makes a list of their top 60 players that is kept secret from ALL other teams and submitted to the league.  The league then makes the consensus board by averaging the spot that each player is placed into (so if Perry Jones is number 3 on all draft boards except 2 teams boards, he is the 3rd player who is bid on).  To make sure teams don’t place elite prospects too low or off the board to try to sign them in free agency rather than have them bid on, the top 100 players from the results are ALL bid on (players can still go undrafted if no team bids on them).

3. The HIGHEST amount you can bid on a player would be what that player would be automatically payed for in the collective bargaining rookie contract scale.  That way you don’t have big market teams like Los Angeles, Boston, and Miami or contenders willing to spend large sums of money like Orlando, Dallas, and San Antonio bidding amounts that small market teams can’t compete with for the elite prospects.  This also prevents people inside and outside the league from complaining that the incoming rookies are making too much money like the annual criticism of the NFL draft.

4. If there is a tie between the bids of two or more teams, the team with the highest spot (like 2nd spot to 5th spot) wins.  This allows a tie-breaker and gives an advantage to the teams that won a better spot.

5. WHENEVER a team successfully bids and wins the rights to a player, they go to the bottom of the order.  So if Charlotte wins the top spot in the draft order, Anthony Davis is the consensus number 1 player, then they bid and win his rights, they go all the way down to spot 30 and every other team moves up 1 spot.  Doing this prevents teams that are high in the order for getting every single player they want.

This could probably use some tweaking, but I think it’s a very sound way to provide parity in the league while also allowing the worse teams to improve their rosters.

[daryry2412Participant]

One possible solution (that I JUST came up with after reading this) is that the NBA could have a draft more like a fantasy auction bidding draft.  The differences would be that:

1. Have the order determined by TWO SEPERATE LOTTERYS.  One for the playoff teams and another for non-playoff teams.  They already have a lottery for teams that don’t make the playoffs, why not another one to add more parity between the two drafts?  The NBA could use the current lottery system for teams that didn’t make the playoffs and the standings from the 2010-2011 season to provide the odds of each team getting their pick.  Then for the playoff teams, they could set a similar order based on BOTH regular season standings AND playoff finishes (where the team exits in the playoffs supercedes regular season record). This allows a team like San Antonio to pick earlier than Oklahoma City even though the Spurs finished with better regular season record because the Thunder advanced to the conference finals (because honestly, who looks like MORE of a contender?  It’s obviously the Thunder, and giving them another draft where they pick before the Spurs isn’t really fair).  Using this system, the order for the PLAYOFF TEAMS BEFORE THE LOTTERY would be (and obviously a lottery would likely change the order in several ways):

15: Indiana Pacers

16: Philadelphia 76ers

17: New York Knicks

18: New Orleans Hornets

19: Portland Trailblazers

20: Denver Nuggets

21: Orlando Magic

22: San Antonio Spurs

23: Atlanta Hawks

24: Memphis Grizzlies

25: Boston Celtics

26: Los Angeles Lakers

27: Oklahoma City Thunder

28: Chicago Bulls

29: Miami Heat

30: Dallas Mavericks

2. The order the players are placed in to bid on is determined by a consensus draft board that is comprised of a "Top 60 Big Board" from each team in the league.  Each team makes a list of their top 60 players that is kept secret from ALL other teams and submitted to the league.  The league then makes the consensus board by averaging the spot that each player is placed into (so if Perry Jones is number 3 on all draft boards except 2 teams boards, he is the 3rd player who is bid on).  To make sure teams don’t place elite prospects too low or off the board to try to sign them in free agency rather than have them bid on, the top 100 players from the results are ALL bid on (players can still go undrafted if no team bids on them).

3. The HIGHEST amount you can bid on a player would be what that player would be automatically payed for in the collective bargaining rookie contract scale.  That way you don’t have big market teams like Los Angeles, Boston, and Miami or contenders willing to spend large sums of money like Orlando, Dallas, and San Antonio bidding amounts that small market teams can’t compete with for the elite prospects.  This also prevents people inside and outside the league from complaining that the incoming rookies are making too much money like the annual criticism of the NFL draft.

4. If there is a tie between the bids of two or more teams, the team with the highest spot (like 2nd spot to 5th spot) wins.  This allows a tie-breaker and gives an advantage to the teams that won a better spot.

5. WHENEVER a team successfully bids and wins the rights to a player, they go to the bottom of the order.  So if Charlotte wins the top spot in the draft order, Anthony Davis is the consensus number 1 player, then they bid and win his rights, they go all the way down to spot 30 and every other team moves up 1 spot.  Doing this prevents teams that are high in the order for getting every single player they want.

This could probably use some tweaking, but I think it’s a very sound way to provide parity in the league while also allowing the worse teams to improve their rosters.

[bigdaddybluesmanParticipant]

Keep it simple.

How about just take every teams record over a short span, maybe 3 or 4 seasons and average them out. I think you’ll find that over a 3 to 4 year period most teams have not gotten that much better or that much worse. Once you hit 5 then things change, even 4. That’s why I think 3 is best, just average it out. To me that makes the most sense and seems fair under the circumstances.

[bigdaddybluesmanParticipant]

Keep it simple.

How about just take every teams record over a short span, maybe 3 or 4 seasons and average them out. I think you’ll find that over a 3 to 4 year period most teams have not gotten that much better or that much worse. Once you hit 5 then things change, even 4. That’s why I think 3 is best, just average it out. To me that makes the most sense and seems fair under the circumstances.

[JJeff6Participant]

Make it easy as possible, throw every team name into a hat and pick at honest random. AND TELEVISE IT, THAT WAY WE KNOW ITS NOT RIGGED

[JJeff6Participant]

Make it easy as possible, throw every team name into a hat and pick at honest random. AND TELEVISE IT, THAT WAY WE KNOW ITS NOT RIGGED

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