[cap777Participant]

When’s the last time we had this many good point guards in the league at once?

Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, John Wall, Chris Paul, Stephen Curry, Rajon Rondo, Steve Nash, Tony Parker, Mike Conley, Devin Harris, Raymond Felton….

The position just looks stacked right now.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

In the 80’s there were alot of talented point guards guys like

Magic,Thomas,Stockton,Micheal Ray Richardson,Dennis Johnson,Fat Lever,Gus Williams and Mo Checks..

Would anyone say CP3, D-Will,Rose ,Wall or Rondo are better than Magic,Thomas or Stockton?

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

In the 80’s there were alot of talented point guards guys like

Magic,Thomas,Stockton,Micheal Ray Richardson,Dennis Johnson,Fat Lever,Gus Williams and Mo Checks..

Would anyone say CP3, D-Will,Rose ,Wall or Rondo are better than Magic,Thomas or Stockton?

 

[llperez]

magic is the greatest pg of all time, but he was a defensive liablity back then and the pg position from top to bottom around the nba is way faster today. He would probably have to play sf in todays game cause i cant see him staying in front of rose, westbrook, paul, dwill, wall, etc or he would be getting torched for 30+ on the regular.

[llperez]

magic is the greatest pg of all time, but he was a defensive liablity back then and the pg position from top to bottom around the nba is way faster today. He would probably have to play sf in todays game cause i cant see him staying in front of rose, westbrook, paul, dwill, wall, etc or he would be getting torched for 30+ on the regular.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

lol..Yeah even Magic said he hated playing against smaller lightning quick guards like Micheal Adams..But on offense his height gave him the advantage…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

lol..Yeah even Magic said he hated playing against smaller lightning quick guards like Micheal Adams..But on offense his height gave him the advantage…

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

They’d also have to guard him at the other end though and I’d take 6′ 9" vs 6′ 0" – 6′ 4" any day of the week.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

They’d also have to guard him at the other end though and I’d take 6′ 9" vs 6′ 0" – 6′ 4" any day of the week.

[apb540Participant]

The Jordan rules help out these fast PG’s A LOT 

[apb540Participant]

The Jordan rules help out these fast PG’s A LOT 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I would say PG may be it, but PF is also incredibly loaded as well. I think Kevin Garnett created a new influx of guys tall enough to play the 5 who would rather have more of a perimeter oriented game. Duncan could be in this category to an extent, but he had David Robinson for years and has always been more of a Center than whoever was playing Center for the Spurs since than. I think true low post play is a lost art, so few people really have a post game now. Here are a list of players classified as PF’s who could (and in some cases should for the best of their team) play Center:

Pau Gasol (Is playing Center right now and by all means should be a Center. He is also the best PF in the league right now, but he could easily be classified as a Center)

Amare Stoudemire (For someone who has always been considered an athletic marvel and classified as a "beast", he seemingly shies from post play. He is incredibly skinny, but also strong and for as well developed as his perimeter game is, you kind of wonder why he is not more of a post presense on both ends of the court.)

Chris Bosh (His frame is maybe as close to KG as it gets, though I do not think he is nearly as strong. But last year, when he bulked up, he looked like a Center. The problem is, it is not his game to play in the low post. This is honestly too bad, because if he developed a post game he would be helping Miami out at the position they need help at more than anything.)

LaMarcus Aldridge (His length would totally translate to him playing Center, and he seems to actually be a lot more agressive in the post compared to last year. But he has struggled with rebounding and low post defense, and I feel spends far too much time in the 15-18 range. He is a very effective shooter, but if he worked on having more of a post game he would be incredibly dangerous. While he is on a team with 3 other solid players who are true Centers, since 2 of those players are hurt, his playing more of a role in the post would give the Blazers a huge advantage. Hopefully he keeps up the good work and progresses in that area)

Blake Griffin (Hear me out. I know he is on a team with a legit 7 footer, though he is hurt right now. I think though, his future might be at the 5. The guy is so strong, has the necessary attributes to really battle there, and while he is maybe slightly undersized, I could ultimately see him being similar to Dwight Howard in this area. His mobility could give people fits, and he would be a total terror on the glass, plus he actually has the bulk to defend other 5’s)

Positions in the NBA have changed so much over time, Centers used to have to be 7 feet tall, or as tall as you could get, but now, speed really defines the game. The lumbering 7 footer is now viewed as maybe even being a defensive liability, because speed can kill them. That is why you are seeing so many players in the 6’9-6’11 range playing Center. But these PF’s, almost considered "to skilled" to play the Center position, well I think they should think differently. The best post players in the games history have also been the most efficient scorers. The more developed your post game is, the more difficult you are to defend and the more likely you are to get to the line. The physical demand is immense, but the benefit would be huge. It spreads the court out so much, and it allows you to play the game the best way possible, which is from the inside out. There are so few Centers of note at this point, even the ones who are of note could a majority of the time be considered PF’s as well. I guess you have to have respect for guys like Okafor, Lee and Horford, they are all considered undersized, but all play in the post to the benefit of their team. I would love to see more teams follow suit with their big guys who could cause match-up nightmares at the 5.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

I would say PG may be it, but PF is also incredibly loaded as well. I think Kevin Garnett created a new influx of guys tall enough to play the 5 who would rather have more of a perimeter oriented game. Duncan could be in this category to an extent, but he had David Robinson for years and has always been more of a Center than whoever was playing Center for the Spurs since than. I think true low post play is a lost art, so few people really have a post game now. Here are a list of players classified as PF’s who could (and in some cases should for the best of their team) play Center:

Pau Gasol (Is playing Center right now and by all means should be a Center. He is also the best PF in the league right now, but he could easily be classified as a Center)

Amare Stoudemire (For someone who has always been considered an athletic marvel and classified as a "beast", he seemingly shies from post play. He is incredibly skinny, but also strong and for as well developed as his perimeter game is, you kind of wonder why he is not more of a post presense on both ends of the court.)

Chris Bosh (His frame is maybe as close to KG as it gets, though I do not think he is nearly as strong. But last year, when he bulked up, he looked like a Center. The problem is, it is not his game to play in the low post. This is honestly too bad, because if he developed a post game he would be helping Miami out at the position they need help at more than anything.)

LaMarcus Aldridge (His length would totally translate to him playing Center, and he seems to actually be a lot more agressive in the post compared to last year. But he has struggled with rebounding and low post defense, and I feel spends far too much time in the 15-18 range. He is a very effective shooter, but if he worked on having more of a post game he would be incredibly dangerous. While he is on a team with 3 other solid players who are true Centers, since 2 of those players are hurt, his playing more of a role in the post would give the Blazers a huge advantage. Hopefully he keeps up the good work and progresses in that area)

Blake Griffin (Hear me out. I know he is on a team with a legit 7 footer, though he is hurt right now. I think though, his future might be at the 5. The guy is so strong, has the necessary attributes to really battle there, and while he is maybe slightly undersized, I could ultimately see him being similar to Dwight Howard in this area. His mobility could give people fits, and he would be a total terror on the glass, plus he actually has the bulk to defend other 5’s)

Positions in the NBA have changed so much over time, Centers used to have to be 7 feet tall, or as tall as you could get, but now, speed really defines the game. The lumbering 7 footer is now viewed as maybe even being a defensive liability, because speed can kill them. That is why you are seeing so many players in the 6’9-6’11 range playing Center. But these PF’s, almost considered "to skilled" to play the Center position, well I think they should think differently. The best post players in the games history have also been the most efficient scorers. The more developed your post game is, the more difficult you are to defend and the more likely you are to get to the line. The physical demand is immense, but the benefit would be huge. It spreads the court out so much, and it allows you to play the game the best way possible, which is from the inside out. There are so few Centers of note at this point, even the ones who are of note could a majority of the time be considered PF’s as well. I guess you have to have respect for guys like Okafor, Lee and Horford, they are all considered undersized, but all play in the post to the benefit of their team. I would love to see more teams follow suit with their big guys who could cause match-up nightmares at the 5.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

yeah..the rules allowed players to play more physical back then..

the rules were changed to increase scoring…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

yeah..the rules allowed players to play more physical back then..

the rules were changed to increase scoring…

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Blake Griffin doesn’t have the length of a Dwight Howard though.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Blake Griffin doesn’t have the length of a Dwight Howard though.

[llperez]

the rules did allow more physical play, although the change had nothing nothing to do with jordan. It was becasue the scoring in the league went down hill and the knicks in particular were going overbaord with the touching and shoving in the early 90’s. People talk so much about the hand checking, but if you watch games from the 80’s you really dont see a whole lot of it. It wasnt until the early 90’s that it really became a serious issue where players were going overbaord and as soon as it started impacting the game stern nipped it.

But if you look at pg’s in the 80’s, they just werent as fast as they are today. Kevin johnson was one of the fastest and i would compare him with a devin harris in todays game. Dennis johnson, mark price, terry porter, derek harper, john paxson and mark jackson were all solid starting  points and none of them were overly fast. I doubt they would even risk getting close enough to a derrick rose to put a hand check on him.

[llperez]

the rules did allow more physical play, although the change had nothing nothing to do with jordan. It was becasue the scoring in the league went down hill and the knicks in particular were going overbaord with the touching and shoving in the early 90’s. People talk so much about the hand checking, but if you watch games from the 80’s you really dont see a whole lot of it. It wasnt until the early 90’s that it really became a serious issue where players were going overbaord and as soon as it started impacting the game stern nipped it.

But if you look at pg’s in the 80’s, they just werent as fast as they are today. Kevin johnson was one of the fastest and i would compare him with a devin harris in todays game. Dennis johnson, mark price, terry porter, derek harper, john paxson and mark jackson were all solid starting  points and none of them were overly fast. I doubt they would even risk getting close enough to a derrick rose to put a hand check on him.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Yeah, that is true. But he might be just as fast, if not faster. His bulk alone should give him a chance to be a really good option at Center. If the Clippers did that, it would make them such a great running team, it would be a style that would definitely fit Bledsoe, Gordon and Aminu. It would really make the Clippers a super versatile team. I truly believe that it would be in their benefit to at least consider the possibility of Blake playing Center.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Yeah, that is true. But he might be just as fast, if not faster. His bulk alone should give him a chance to be a really good option at Center. If the Clippers did that, it would make them such a great running team, it would be a style that would definitely fit Bledsoe, Gordon and Aminu. It would really make the Clippers a super versatile team. I truly believe that it would be in their benefit to at least consider the possibility of Blake playing Center.

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

byron scott or even michael cooper guarded pg more often then magic did to comment on the mention about magic not being able to guard the quick pg of today

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

byron scott or even michael cooper guarded pg more often then magic did to comment on the mention about magic not being able to guard the quick pg of today

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