[bigjah8Participant]

 I just feel like nobody at #3 (murray/dunn/hield) has the value of Jahlil Okafor. I understand the frontcourt logjam and Okafor is our best trade piece but I believe we could get more for him like an established point guard.

At least let Simmons and Okafor play a season or a half a season before making such a drastic decision in trading away a guy that I feel was underrated last year and will only get better. Needs to improve a lot defensively but luckily the Sixers have nothing but time to develop their young players 

BTW: I love(d) Embiid as a prospect. But to me its irresponsible to even make roster moves around him before he even plays most of a season so until Embiid at least gets on the floor hold onto jah

 

 

[UnbiasedObserverParticipant]

Sixers did this to themselves drafting 5 centers in row. They literally don’t have a choice but to trade one of them.

They won’t trade Noel he’s fast and can run the floor along with his D. They won’t trade Embiid for obvious reasons. Same goes for Simmons. So that leaves one guy… Okafor.

 

 

 

 

[UnbiasedObserverParticipant]

Sixers did this to themselves drafting 5 centers in row. They literally don’t have a choice but to trade one of them.

They won’t trade Noel he’s fast and can run the floor along with his D. They won’t trade Embiid for obvious reasons. Same goes for Simmons. So that leaves one guy… Okafor.

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 I completely agree with you. Trading Jahlil Okafor for just the 3 pick doesn’t make sense. Okafor has holes in his game, but he’s undoubtedly worth more than the 3rd pick in this draft. That being said if the 3rd pick is part of a larger package it may make sense to deal Okafor depending on the current managements thoughts on him.

 It also would be crazy to make decisions based on Joel Embiid when he hasn’t played a game in two seasons and it’s unclear how healthy he can be in the long term. 

[220Participant]

 I completely agree with you. Trading Jahlil Okafor for just the 3 pick doesn’t make sense. Okafor has holes in his game, but he’s undoubtedly worth more than the 3rd pick in this draft. That being said if the 3rd pick is part of a larger package it may make sense to deal Okafor depending on the current managements thoughts on him.

 It also would be crazy to make decisions based on Joel Embiid when he hasn’t played a game in two seasons and it’s unclear how healthy he can be in the long term. 

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

I agree with everything the OP said, but I’m a big Jamal Murray fan, so I’d be excited about a core Murray, Simmons, and Noel. Saric and Embid are still obvious question marks, but I think Murray and Simmons will be both be all stars and Murray is a true combo guard so they could play him with Ish Smith as well. Also, I think Noel is good enough to be a starting center which makes Okafor expendable for the right price. 

[Bankroll PJParticipant]

I agree with everything the OP said, but I’m a big Jamal Murray fan, so I’d be excited about a core Murray, Simmons, and Noel. Saric and Embid are still obvious question marks, but I think Murray and Simmons will be both be all stars and Murray is a true combo guard so they could play him with Ish Smith as well. Also, I think Noel is good enough to be a starting center which makes Okafor expendable for the right price. 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I would trade Embiid for number 3 if I was the 76ers.  I don’t think he could net them number 3 by himself due to injuries.  Obviously strictly off potential he is worth way more so it’s a tricky situation.  But a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I would trade Embiid for number 3 if I was the 76ers.  I don’t think he could net them number 3 by himself due to injuries.  Obviously strictly off potential he is worth way more so it’s a tricky situation.  But a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.  

[holefillers1Participant]

 I’m gonna say, trade Okafor to Boston for 3rd pick and Smart. Sign nic Batum, Max out Brad Beal. Draft Simmons and Dunn.

[bigjah8Participant]

 batum and beal would not come to philly unless we payed a shit ton more than any other team

[bigjah8Participant]

 batum and beal would not come to philly unless we payed a shit ton more than any other team

[holefillers1Participant]

 I’m gonna say, trade Okafor to Boston for 3rd pick and Smart. Sign nic Batum, Max out Brad Beal. Draft Simmons and Dunn.

[negguaryParticipant]

I think the only fair trade would be for the number two pick, not saying the lakers would be interested but on the sixers part. That’s the only fair trade due to the obvious fact that from the sixers stand point you have an idea of what lil can do in the league, at the minimum he’s a one way player a heck of one at that who can give you a dub nightly. In addition to this, he averaged 18 in a year where he was double teamed and had no one who could really feed him the ball or deflect the attention from him, so imagine what he could do with a team around him. Furthermore, he’s already shown he has a promising jump shot. Therefore, the only fair option is two because at the end of the day you know what you’re getting with jah, as good as ingram is there is a chance he won’t pan out in the league its the reality of drafting players, those same questions cant be asked about jah, for he has proved what he can do, so the question cant be is he a bust, at most you’ll question his limitations. With the two pick you have to question everything because they have not proven anything and could be a bust!!

[negguaryParticipant]

I think the only fair trade would be for the number two pick, not saying the lakers would be interested but on the sixers part. That’s the only fair trade due to the obvious fact that from the sixers stand point you have an idea of what lil can do in the league, at the minimum he’s a one way player a heck of one at that who can give you a dub nightly. In addition to this, he averaged 18 in a year where he was double teamed and had no one who could really feed him the ball or deflect the attention from him, so imagine what he could do with a team around him. Furthermore, he’s already shown he has a promising jump shot. Therefore, the only fair option is two because at the end of the day you know what you’re getting with jah, as good as ingram is there is a chance he won’t pan out in the league its the reality of drafting players, those same questions cant be asked about jah, for he has proved what he can do, so the question cant be is he a bust, at most you’ll question his limitations. With the two pick you have to question everything because they have not proven anything and could be a bust!!

[GBeeParticipant]

 Trade Noel before the cat’s even further out of the bag on him.  He sucks on offense and likely always will given his poor hands, touch, feel for the game and really bad frame, but some of those same bad attributes spill over to the defensive end where he’s touted to be some sort of defensive savant.  He’s not that.  He gets ragdolled way too easily (that will likely always be the case because of his frame) and is a natural gambler with a poor feel for defensive integrity. A low IQ, physically weak defensive anchor? There aren’t many of those.  Heck, even his individual defense is poor.  Just look at his PPP against in iso, post up and defending the roller in PnR.  And he’s supposed to be a defensive specialist?  If one of their front court has to go I think it has to be him before he loses anymore of his hype and teams see what he really is.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Trade Noel before the cat’s even further out of the bag on him.  He sucks on offense and likely always will given his poor hands, touch, feel for the game and really bad frame, but some of those same bad attributes spill over to the defensive end where he’s touted to be some sort of defensive savant.  He’s not that.  He gets ragdolled way too easily (that will likely always be the case because of his frame) and is a natural gambler with a poor feel for defensive integrity. A low IQ, physically weak defensive anchor? There aren’t many of those.  Heck, even his individual defense is poor.  Just look at his PPP against in iso, post up and defending the roller in PnR.  And he’s supposed to be a defensive specialist?  If one of their front court has to go I think it has to be him before he loses anymore of his hype and teams see what he really is.

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 I totally agree with you about getting rid of Noel before he’s exposed even more: but let me say this…we’re talking on a website in out free time. The guys makin the call about trading for Noel are getting paid to make these decisions. So…I would venture to say that the cats been out the bag on Noel haha. He’s just not that great. He’s a nice player, but that’s it at most. NBA GM’s know this. 2 full seasons. They’ve seen it

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 I totally agree with you about getting rid of Noel before he’s exposed even more: but let me say this…we’re talking on a website in out free time. The guys makin the call about trading for Noel are getting paid to make these decisions. So…I would venture to say that the cats been out the bag on Noel haha. He’s just not that great. He’s a nice player, but that’s it at most. NBA GM’s know this. 2 full seasons. They’ve seen it

[circumlocution75Participant]

 Centers in 3 consecutive Drafts when they did NO such thing………. Apolgies in advance for the Length….. 

in 2013 they Drafted MCW w/ the #11 pick………..

New Orleans approached them & asked if the Sixers would trade Jru Holiday for New Orleans 2013 #6 pick & their 2014 #10 pick…..

Phila gave NO a list of 3 players "acceptable" to do the Deal if still on the board at #6: Oladipo, Porter & Noel…….

Noel was still there at #6 – the Other two were gone so Phila did the deal…..

Phila then turned the 2014 #10 pick into Dario Saric AND the Orlando Magic returned the Sixers 2017 1st round pick to Phila when Hinkie bluffed that they would Draft Elfrid Payton……..

So Phila got THREE #1 picks (2013, 2014 & 2017) for Jru Holiday but they did NOT Draft a Center in 2013…….

in 2014 they Foolishly wanted Wiggins over Embiid……. & Cleveland had a Raging Hard On for Embiid at #1 b/c Embiid was by a MILE a better prospect than Wiggins &/or Parker……. but when Cleveland discovered the broken bone in Embiid’s foot they Drafted Wiggins……

at #3 the Sixers correctly took Embiid (knowing he would be out) & stashed Saric overseas b/c Boston OWNED Phila’s 2015 Lottery pick b/c of an INSANE Doug Collins trade in 2012 that gave the Celtics the Sixers 1st round pick in 2015 for Arnette Moulty…….

So Phila Purposely Chose 2 players in the 2014 Draft who would NOT play to SAVE their Lottery protected 2015 pick…… & THAt is why the Celtics own the Sixers 2nd round pick THIS year b/c when the 2015 – 1st round pick did Not transmit Boston got Phila’s Worthless 2016 – 2nd round pick……..

In 2015 the Sixers reportedly wanted D’Angelo Russell….. personally I think it wqas a smoke screen b/c D’Angelo Russell is a 41% FG shooting, no 1st step having, not defending anyone, snitching Train Wreck & the Lakers brain Trust Foolishly drafted Russell #2……

Reports are that Hinkie Wanted Porzingus b/c Embiid was Destroying Noel in pratice & the Sixers thought they were cooking w/ Chicken GRease this time last year…………

But when Embiid’s foot failed AGAIN & the fan base went Ape ish… the Sixers Ownership Forced Hinkie to draft Okafor….. I don;t think they Ever dreamed they’d have a shot to get Ben Simmons……

But here they are a year later w/ Ben Simmons in a One player Draft who will join a Healthy Monster in Joel Embiid & Okafor aint going Anywhere b/c u don;t trade 7 footers w/ Tim Duncan’s post game when u have them for 3 More years on a Rookie contract…….

Phila Also has most likely TWO top 8 picks in Next year’s Crazy deep 2017 Draft where there are 4 or 5 Stud PG’s & 3 Wings better & way More explosive than Ingram……

So if Phila trades Anyone – it will be Noel – who is on the Final year of his Rookie deal & they will Not resign next year Anyway…….. Prob to a team like Phoenix for Eric Bledsoe & maybe one of their 2016 – 1st round picks b/c Noel IS a Valuable asset……

But Noel was NOT the Sixers 2013 – 1st round pick…….. MCW garbage was……. Sorry for the long post – hope that clears a few things up………

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 Centers in 3 consecutive Drafts when they did NO such thing………. Apolgies in advance for the Length….. 

in 2013 they Drafted MCW w/ the #11 pick………..

New Orleans approached them & asked if the Sixers would trade Jru Holiday for New Orleans 2013 #6 pick & their 2014 #10 pick…..

Phila gave NO a list of 3 players "acceptable" to do the Deal if still on the board at #6: Oladipo, Porter & Noel…….

Noel was still there at #6 – the Other two were gone so Phila did the deal…..

Phila then turned the 2014 #10 pick into Dario Saric AND the Orlando Magic returned the Sixers 2017 1st round pick to Phila when Hinkie bluffed that they would Draft Elfrid Payton……..

So Phila got THREE #1 picks (2013, 2014 & 2017) for Jru Holiday but they did NOT Draft a Center in 2013…….

in 2014 they Foolishly wanted Wiggins over Embiid……. & Cleveland had a Raging Hard On for Embiid at #1 b/c Embiid was by a MILE a better prospect than Wiggins &/or Parker……. but when Cleveland discovered the broken bone in Embiid’s foot they Drafted Wiggins……

at #3 the Sixers correctly took Embiid (knowing he would be out) & stashed Saric overseas b/c Boston OWNED Phila’s 2015 Lottery pick b/c of an INSANE Doug Collins trade in 2012 that gave the Celtics the Sixers 1st round pick in 2015 for Arnette Moulty…….

So Phila Purposely Chose 2 players in the 2014 Draft who would NOT play to SAVE their Lottery protected 2015 pick…… & THAt is why the Celtics own the Sixers 2nd round pick THIS year b/c when the 2015 – 1st round pick did Not transmit Boston got Phila’s Worthless 2016 – 2nd round pick……..

In 2015 the Sixers reportedly wanted D’Angelo Russell….. personally I think it wqas a smoke screen b/c D’Angelo Russell is a 41% FG shooting, no 1st step having, not defending anyone, snitching Train Wreck & the Lakers brain Trust Foolishly drafted Russell #2……

Reports are that Hinkie Wanted Porzingus b/c Embiid was Destroying Noel in pratice & the Sixers thought they were cooking w/ Chicken GRease this time last year…………

But when Embiid’s foot failed AGAIN & the fan base went Ape ish… the Sixers Ownership Forced Hinkie to draft Okafor….. I don;t think they Ever dreamed they’d have a shot to get Ben Simmons……

But here they are a year later w/ Ben Simmons in a One player Draft who will join a Healthy Monster in Joel Embiid & Okafor aint going Anywhere b/c u don;t trade 7 footers w/ Tim Duncan’s post game when u have them for 3 More years on a Rookie contract…….

Phila Also has most likely TWO top 8 picks in Next year’s Crazy deep 2017 Draft where there are 4 or 5 Stud PG’s & 3 Wings better & way More explosive than Ingram……

So if Phila trades Anyone – it will be Noel – who is on the Final year of his Rookie deal & they will Not resign next year Anyway…….. Prob to a team like Phoenix for Eric Bledsoe & maybe one of their 2016 – 1st round picks b/c Noel IS a Valuable asset……

But Noel was NOT the Sixers 2013 – 1st round pick…….. MCW garbage was……. Sorry for the long post – hope that clears a few things up………

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 When you trade for a player who was just drafted, on draft night, for all intents and purposes it’s the same. The deal for Noel was solid as the 76ers acquired him and a first round pick. That first round pick turned into Dario Saric and the 76ers reacquiring the first round pick that was traded to Orlando in the Bynum deal so some smart choices were clearly made. No one is arguing that, but the 76ers added three rookie centers in the lottery three drafts in a row. The fact one of them was acquired via trade on draft night makes little difference.

 

[220Participant]

 When you trade for a player who was just drafted, on draft night, for all intents and purposes it’s the same. The deal for Noel was solid as the 76ers acquired him and a first round pick. That first round pick turned into Dario Saric and the 76ers reacquiring the first round pick that was traded to Orlando in the Bynum deal so some smart choices were clearly made. No one is arguing that, but the 76ers added three rookie centers in the lottery three drafts in a row. The fact one of them was acquired via trade on draft night makes little difference.

 

[rotgers5Participant]

 FINALLY someone who gets it…. Let’s hope Colangelo & Brown see it as well.

 

 

[rotgers5Participant]

 FINALLY someone who gets it…. Let’s hope Colangelo & Brown see it as well.

 

 

[JordoParticipant]

 They shouldn’t even consider moving him with Joel Embid still being a big question mark

[JordoParticipant]

 They shouldn’t even consider moving him with Joel Embid still being a big question mark

[VRod305Participant]

I’m not a big fan of Okafor and feel that Noel is very limited. The frontcourt of the future is clearly Embiid and Simmons. I wish we could ship Okafor to Phoenix for Booker and the No. 4 pick. or to Chicago in a deal for Butler. I also wouldn’t say that we must trade anyone now. We can’t do that and get suckered into taking less.

I’m really intrigued on what happens. I hope the stupid Colangelos don’t screw this up like I think they will.

[VRod305Participant]

I’m not a big fan of Okafor and feel that Noel is very limited. The frontcourt of the future is clearly Embiid and Simmons. I wish we could ship Okafor to Phoenix for Booker and the No. 4 pick. or to Chicago in a deal for Butler. I also wouldn’t say that we must trade anyone now. We can’t do that and get suckered into taking less.

I’m really intrigued on what happens. I hope the stupid Colangelos don’t screw this up like I think they will.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 So pretty much 76ers are not to blame but their ownership is, i thought they were one in the same.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 So pretty much 76ers are not to blame but their ownership is, i thought they were one in the same.

[kdtriv01Participant]

Noel is a future DPOY candidate.  He blocks shots on the ball and off the ball.  His steals rate is through the roof for a center.  He runs well, which will be needed for Simmons, and his jump shot out to 8-10 ft is improving.  If your building your team around a runner like Simmons, a slow plodding big man just doesn’t make sense.  I see Noel as a Bismack type player in the future.   

[kdtriv01Participant]

Noel is a future DPOY candidate.  He blocks shots on the ball and off the ball.  His steals rate is through the roof for a center.  He runs well, which will be needed for Simmons, and his jump shot out to 8-10 ft is improving.  If your building your team around a runner like Simmons, a slow plodding big man just doesn’t make sense.  I see Noel as a Bismack type player in the future.   

[burgessfourParticipant]

 The fair trade is Okafor for pick 2. If the Lakers aren’t interested that’s fine. Okafor for pick 3 is selling too low. I’m fine with drafting Simmons and (hopefully) shooters @ 24 & 26 and letting them all play for a while next season and see what we have. There is no rush to rearrange the pieces this summer.

[burgessfourParticipant]

 The fair trade is Okafor for pick 2. If the Lakers aren’t interested that’s fine. Okafor for pick 3 is selling too low. I’m fine with drafting Simmons and (hopefully) shooters @ 24 & 26 and letting them all play for a while next season and see what we have. There is no rush to rearrange the pieces this summer.

[Dell87Participant]

 NOW THAT TRADE I LIKE. A team with Simmons and Ingram would be awesome. That way Simmons doesn’t have to be the alpha. 

Pf Simmons

Sf. Ingram 

C Embid 

Pg. Ish 

SG. Malachi Richardson. 

Great offense. Defense might suffer though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dell87Participant]

 NOW THAT TRADE I LIKE. A team with Simmons and Ingram would be awesome. That way Simmons doesn’t have to be the alpha. 

Pf Simmons

Sf. Ingram 

C Embid 

Pg. Ish 

SG. Malachi Richardson. 

Great offense. Defense might suffer though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MachettiParticipant]

 Agreed I like Oakfor a lot to me he’s the most polished offensively skilled big man in the league. I miss centers that you can put in the post and let them go to work. Unfortunately majority of the "bigs" only stay 1 year in college so they don’t learn anything and rely on there athleticism and don’t bother to learn post moves ala Dwight Howard. To me if Jah came out this year he would be the consensus number 1 pick. So you could bet the Celtics would do a deal in a heartbeat. There’s no guy available at 3 that’s as good as the Oak now. But I think Oakfor is expendable and drafting Simmons and let’s say either Jamal Murray/hield/kris Dunn is good for Philly at the 3rd pick. There’s no sense of having 3 talented centers on the team and not giving them playing time just doesn’t make sense. I feel I’m going to really love this philly team after the draft gonna be interesting to watch. 

[MachettiParticipant]

 Agreed I like Oakfor a lot to me he’s the most polished offensively skilled big man in the league. I miss centers that you can put in the post and let them go to work. Unfortunately majority of the "bigs" only stay 1 year in college so they don’t learn anything and rely on there athleticism and don’t bother to learn post moves ala Dwight Howard. To me if Jah came out this year he would be the consensus number 1 pick. So you could bet the Celtics would do a deal in a heartbeat. There’s no guy available at 3 that’s as good as the Oak now. But I think Oakfor is expendable and drafting Simmons and let’s say either Jamal Murray/hield/kris Dunn is good for Philly at the 3rd pick. There’s no sense of having 3 talented centers on the team and not giving them playing time just doesn’t make sense. I feel I’m going to really love this philly team after the draft gonna be interesting to watch. 

[clw5382Participant]

Questions that should be asked:

1. If Okafor was in this draft where would he be picked? 

2. How many times does the proven player reap like for like value in a trade? 

There is a fair argument to say he would be chosen 3rd this year and I would say that it is not very often the team trading the proven player gets the better deal. 

 

I agree with the fact that Okafor is more valuable than what is left after 1-2.

 

The other point re Okafor is that his trade value is high now. What if he gets injured or regresses in his development because Embiid is back, and he is not playing mins cos of the crowded front court? So there is risk by not trading him now, by moving him now at least you will get closer to like for like value. 

Again all that said, although not likely I would want to try and add Smart or Bradley to sweeten the deal! 

 

The other direction the front office might go is trading him for proven players – Teague could be available and B Knight would be good to pair with Simmons. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[clw5382Participant]

Questions that should be asked:

1. If Okafor was in this draft where would he be picked? 

2. How many times does the proven player reap like for like value in a trade? 

There is a fair argument to say he would be chosen 3rd this year and I would say that it is not very often the team trading the proven player gets the better deal. 

 

I agree with the fact that Okafor is more valuable than what is left after 1-2.

 

The other point re Okafor is that his trade value is high now. What if he gets injured or regresses in his development because Embiid is back, and he is not playing mins cos of the crowded front court? So there is risk by not trading him now, by moving him now at least you will get closer to like for like value. 

Again all that said, although not likely I would want to try and add Smart or Bradley to sweeten the deal! 

 

The other direction the front office might go is trading him for proven players – Teague could be available and B Knight would be good to pair with Simmons. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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