[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I know this might be the 1000th thread about Philadelphia this week, and some are about how they are trying to bad to be good. Some people are questioning that meathod, but if you really think about it, almost every great team had did this. The only reason people are ticked off about their plan is because they are so open about it. They are doing whats conventional in rebuilding through the draft. They are trying to build from the ground up and people are thinking that such a bad thing. They just don’t want to be the Joe Johnson/Josh Smith  Atlanta Hawks and be just good enought to be a good seed in the playoffs but bad enought to not win it all. That’s why they traded Jrue Holliday, Thad Young, Evan Turner, and other valuable players.

If you look at most of the great teams in the league right now you would see that they are build from the draft. Look at Oklahoma City Thunder, this team literally tried to play Kevin Durant at shooting guard and lose. They drafted Kevin Durant high, Russell Westbrook high, and James Harden high. Look at Cleveland, they landed 4 number one picks and use all of them to form a great team. They drafted LeBron James number one, Kyrie Irving number one, and used their final two to trade for Kevin Love. Look at Golden State, they build their core through the draft. They drafted Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, and Harrison Barnes high. Look at the Wizards, they drafted both John Wall and Bradley Beal with top 3 picks to make them a good team. 

The 76ers just trying to build how you are suppose to rebuild and I believe it’s going along pretty well. In my opinion, they have fount two building blocks with Nerlen Noel and Jahlil Okafor. They have a player that most scouts/experts believe to be a top 6 prospect in the 2014 draft in Dario Saric, and they potentially have 4 first round picks next year.

I know they 76ers are winless this season, but I believe this season have been some sort of successful. The Sixers are competing mostly every night and been in mostly every game they have been in. They might not win a ton of games this year, but they are rebuilding like you suppose to rebuild, not by trading for players that they know won’t get them close to win championships, but draft players that can grow with their young core.

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 Phila was in May of 2013 – when Doug Collins quit b/c they realized the Bynum trade was an abject disaster – you have to ask yourself the following question:

"If you were hired as the GM instead of Sam Hinke 30 months ago – what would you have done differently?"

A Lot of teams at least have some players or draft picks to trade – Phila was CLEANED out by the Bynum trade…. It was the NBA equivalent of "All In!" in Poker…..

 B/c they came within One win of meeting Miami in the 2012 Eastern Conference Finals…. Collins believed that Bynum would put them over the top & MANY of the experts that are now killing them – LOVED the Bynum trade 3 years ago! 

But the Sixers gave up WAY too much….. Igudola, Vucevic, 2012 first round pick Mauirice Harkless & BOTH their 2015 & 2017 First round picks were just WAY too much risk for Bynum (&Arnette Moultry in a seperate trade w/ Boston)….

 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

To be fair no one realized how much better Vucevic would perform with increased playing time. They still had a few solid pieces with Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young after the Bynum disaster, but nothing great to build on.

[220Participant]

To be fair no one realized how much better Vucevic would perform with increased playing time. They still had a few solid pieces with Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young after the Bynum disaster, but nothing great to build on.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 Phila was in May of 2013 – when Doug Collins quit b/c they realized the Bynum trade was an abject disaster – you have to ask yourself the following question:

"If you were hired as the GM instead of Sam Hinke 30 months ago – what would you have done differently?"

A Lot of teams at least have some players or draft picks to trade – Phila was CLEANED out by the Bynum trade…. It was the NBA equivalent of "All In!" in Poker…..

 B/c they came within One win of meeting Miami in the 2012 Eastern Conference Finals…. Collins believed that Bynum would put them over the top & MANY of the experts that are now killing them – LOVED the Bynum trade 3 years ago! 

But the Sixers gave up WAY too much….. Igudola, Vucevic, 2012 first round pick Mauirice Harkless & BOTH their 2015 & 2017 First round picks were just WAY too much risk for Bynum (&Arnette Moultry in a seperate trade w/ Boston)….

 

 

 

 

 

[WinterSoldierParticipant]

One major difference between the Sixers and other teams is how they respect their players. To most teams they treat the players on the team like human beings meaning they trade their veterans to good teams were they can be successful. They also keep fan favorites and young players to see what they can develop into. The Sixers treat their players like assets in a fantasy basketball game. They trade young pieces for draft picks and they don’t even bother keeping it a secret. When you play for a team like that you’re not a human you’re a disposable asset. I can’t imagine how a team with those kind of trust issues will be successful. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 This is simply becuase Hinkie thinks I dont want this guy helping us win this year so I will trade him and get a pick then have that same player next year or the year after. Hinkie just thinks that if he has 3 or 4 top 50 players in the NBA once his picks pan out then his team will be nasty. I tend to agree with him. I doubt becuase they are on a losing team now that they will take on a losing mentality in the future. Half the team wont even be here then. Good payers win games period. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 This is simply becuase Hinkie thinks I dont want this guy helping us win this year so I will trade him and get a pick then have that same player next year or the year after. Hinkie just thinks that if he has 3 or 4 top 50 players in the NBA once his picks pan out then his team will be nasty. I tend to agree with him. I doubt becuase they are on a losing team now that they will take on a losing mentality in the future. Half the team wont even be here then. Good payers win games period. 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 "Not treating them like humans"? "Keeping fan favourites"? This is not to please the fans or making veterans players happy. It’s about trying to build a championship team and not build a respectable mediocre team that’s always on the "verge" of breaking out. People want them to focus on the 7th-12th man, while the 76ers trying to get their 1st-6th option. 

Every team has either "tanked" or been intentionally bad to get great players, your problem is that the 76ers are so public about it. I find it funny how people react on a rebuild. People want the 76ers to build like the Lakers and complain how D’Angelo Russell not getting playing time, they want them to actually play the rookies and let them develop on the court. You cannot have it both ways. 

Also, remember that they shouldn’t be this bad if they have their roster healthy. Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten, and Robert Covington either been out all season or keep missing time. 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 "Not treating them like humans"? "Keeping fan favourites"? This is not to please the fans or making veterans players happy. It’s about trying to build a championship team and not build a respectable mediocre team that’s always on the "verge" of breaking out. People want them to focus on the 7th-12th man, while the 76ers trying to get their 1st-6th option. 

Every team has either "tanked" or been intentionally bad to get great players, your problem is that the 76ers are so public about it. I find it funny how people react on a rebuild. People want the 76ers to build like the Lakers and complain how D’Angelo Russell not getting playing time, they want them to actually play the rookies and let them develop on the court. You cannot have it both ways. 

Also, remember that they shouldn’t be this bad if they have their roster healthy. Kendall Marshall, Tony Wroten, and Robert Covington either been out all season or keep missing time. 

 

 

[WinterSoldierParticipant]

One major difference between the Sixers and other teams is how they respect their players. To most teams they treat the players on the team like human beings meaning they trade their veterans to good teams were they can be successful. They also keep fan favorites and young players to see what they can develop into. The Sixers treat their players like assets in a fantasy basketball game. They trade young pieces for draft picks and they don’t even bother keeping it a secret. When you play for a team like that you’re not a human you’re a disposable asset. I can’t imagine how a team with those kind of trust issues will be successful. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 They are kinda fun to watch now at least. Even though they suck. I still find myself checking clips and recaps to see how Oak and Noel are playing. Not sure why this year they are getting more shit from the media. Stephen A went off on Hinkie and what he’s doing. I mean it was obvious they were going to be bad this year. I think this will be the last bad year though. They could easily win 25-30 games next year with a good draft pick or 2 and then signing someone. I think next year they start to try to sign some decent free agents and compete again. 2017 they will be improving way more too and it will show in the W column. Depending on how the draft pick this year lands I think they could be in the playoffs in 2017. 2018 ahh too soon lmao

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 That’s exactlly what I’m saying. If you look at the +/- and just say they aren’t in these games or they are flat out bad, then you are delusional. They are in most of the games they are playing and they are fun to watch, until they have like 5 straight turnovers.

I’m a Miami Heat fan and was blessed that LeBron came to Miami. But, every team cannot get the LeBron James of the world to come to their team and make them an instant championship team. The 76ers know that they cannot attract top level free agents to come play for them now. So, they are rebuilding the old fashion way and doing so through the draft. 

They have 2 building blocks right now w/ Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor. They have a chance to get Ben Simmons and Jamal Murray. And in 2017 they should be bad, but they won’t be tanking, they will be filling out of their roster. 

The crazy part is that they can still get a top level talent in the 2017 draft and they can fill a starting lineup of: PG: Malik Monk SG: Jamal Murray SF: Ben Simmons PF: Nerlens Noel C: Jahlil Okafor and on the bench they will have Dario Saric and two other first round picks. 

People won’t call them crazy then

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 That’s exactlly what I’m saying. If you look at the +/- and just say they aren’t in these games or they are flat out bad, then you are delusional. They are in most of the games they are playing and they are fun to watch, until they have like 5 straight turnovers.

I’m a Miami Heat fan and was blessed that LeBron came to Miami. But, every team cannot get the LeBron James of the world to come to their team and make them an instant championship team. The 76ers know that they cannot attract top level free agents to come play for them now. So, they are rebuilding the old fashion way and doing so through the draft. 

They have 2 building blocks right now w/ Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor. They have a chance to get Ben Simmons and Jamal Murray. And in 2017 they should be bad, but they won’t be tanking, they will be filling out of their roster. 

The crazy part is that they can still get a top level talent in the 2017 draft and they can fill a starting lineup of: PG: Malik Monk SG: Jamal Murray SF: Ben Simmons PF: Nerlens Noel C: Jahlil Okafor and on the bench they will have Dario Saric and two other first round picks. 

People won’t call them crazy then

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 They are kinda fun to watch now at least. Even though they suck. I still find myself checking clips and recaps to see how Oak and Noel are playing. Not sure why this year they are getting more shit from the media. Stephen A went off on Hinkie and what he’s doing. I mean it was obvious they were going to be bad this year. I think this will be the last bad year though. They could easily win 25-30 games next year with a good draft pick or 2 and then signing someone. I think next year they start to try to sign some decent free agents and compete again. 2017 they will be improving way more too and it will show in the W column. Depending on how the draft pick this year lands I think they could be in the playoffs in 2017. 2018 ahh too soon lmao

[tuck243Participant]

That’s a lie…   They built through the draft with the intentions on getting better every year.   The Sonics/OKC traded away Ray Allen, but only tanked that year and got Durant & Green.  They didn’t trade the rest of the players and signed D-League guys to fill the roster.   They were trying to build around KD…  They were bad, but it wasn’t intentional and drafted Westbrook.  By year 3 (since the tank) they almost doubled their win totals.  

Similar case with LeBron and the Cavs…

The Warriors were trying to go to the playoffs every year.  They didn’t have a Top 3 pick.  Steph was suppose to complement Monta, but finally they decided to take the team in another direction.  They got that good through trading players & FA…   Their draft picks were towards the middle to late of the first round.  So, what’s your point in mentioning them?  They didn’t tank at all…

Doesn’t matter what other team you try to grab, they all DIDN’T do it the way the 76ers are doing it.  Their intentions are to be bad for years.  They’re currently in year 3 of the tank job and I’m sure next year will be year 4.    NO TEAM HAS DONE THIS ON PURPOSE.   It’s not clever, it’s not ok, and it damn sure shouldn’t be applauded.  

If anything people should press to get Hinkie fired and allow someone else to rake in the benefits.   He simply doesn’t deserve to be around when this team finally get good (or "if" they get good)…

[tuck243Participant]

That’s a lie…   They built through the draft with the intentions on getting better every year.   The Sonics/OKC traded away Ray Allen, but only tanked that year and got Durant & Green.  They didn’t trade the rest of the players and signed D-League guys to fill the roster.   They were trying to build around KD…  They were bad, but it wasn’t intentional and drafted Westbrook.  By year 3 (since the tank) they almost doubled their win totals.  

Similar case with LeBron and the Cavs…

The Warriors were trying to go to the playoffs every year.  They didn’t have a Top 3 pick.  Steph was suppose to complement Monta, but finally they decided to take the team in another direction.  They got that good through trading players & FA…   Their draft picks were towards the middle to late of the first round.  So, what’s your point in mentioning them?  They didn’t tank at all…

Doesn’t matter what other team you try to grab, they all DIDN’T do it the way the 76ers are doing it.  Their intentions are to be bad for years.  They’re currently in year 3 of the tank job and I’m sure next year will be year 4.    NO TEAM HAS DONE THIS ON PURPOSE.   It’s not clever, it’s not ok, and it damn sure shouldn’t be applauded.  

If anything people should press to get Hinkie fired and allow someone else to rake in the benefits.   He simply doesn’t deserve to be around when this team finally get good (or "if" they get good)…

[circumlocution75Participant]

 That’s a link to a story from the 2012 season…. Golden State in the midst of their 4th staight season of Tanking….. Owed their 1st round Draft Pick to Utah – but it was top 7 protected…. Golden State who let Baron Davis walk w/o even offering a contract after a 48 win season in 2008…. had won 29, 36 & 26 wins the the 3 seasons since….. Now in 2012, more than half way thru the 2012 season & in danger of finishing w/ a record that would only get them the #8 or #9 worst record….. Golden State traded young star Maonta Ellis so they would sink even lower in the standing & get that #1 pick into the top 7…

Of course the Tanking plan worked…. GSW completed theur 4th straight Lousy season & won 23 games….. & the ping pong balls gave GSW the #7 pick….. which they used to take Harrison Barnes in 2012 Draft…..

 Golden State also tanked for 5 straight years between 1998 – 2002 winning 19, 21, 17, 19 & 21 games….. So that is One team Tanking for 4+ years TWICE just in this young Century…. & they had players as I just mentioned, Monta Ellis, Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington…. That 2008 team had 3 – 20+ppg scores….

None of this is new – All teams do it & they do it ONLY as long as they need to…. As you mentioned OKC used future Hall of Famer Ray Allen to begin their "Rebuild…"

Minnesota had perenial All Star Kevin Love as a poker chip to begin theuir latest attempt to "Rebuild" & it got them Andrew Wiggins! even w/ Wiggins they tanked all of last year – their 9th straight Losing season! 

How about Utah in 2010 using All Star & MVP candidate Deron Williams as a Poker chip to start their "Rebuild" when they traded him for Derrick Favors….

Cleveland tanked like crazy in the years just before re-signing Lebron…. Holding Kyrie Irving out durind the 2nd half og the season in the hopes of Losing enough games to move Higher in the Lottery….

The Atlanta Hawks were in the Top 10 of the Lottery for a full Decade

Sacramento is working on their 10 straight losing year….. 

Milwaukee has ONE winning season in the last Dozen years….

The teams who have a good player or two are able to use that player to turn things around quicker…. Phila actually tried to make a trade to make their team better & the Bynum trade failed & it destroyed their team… they lost their 2 best players & THREE 1st round Draft picks (2012, 2015 & 2017)….

We asked above "If you were hired instead of Hinkie 2 years & 6 months ago what would you have done differently???" 

No one has answered… the best we got was someone said well "they had Jrue Holiday & Thad Young" Ok they are 2 decent players but no where near stars that you can build a team around…. They had Evan Turner too… but that was it….

 & they had NO 1st round pick in 2015 or 2017… So even if they WANTED to build around those 3 mediocre players they could NOT b/c they ONLY had their 2013, 14 & 16 picks & their 2013 pick was #11 in a Very weak Draft….

So they set about to use the 3 mediocre players they had to "Rebuild"…. I’m SHOCKED that for Turner, Young & Holiday, they were able to get FIVE 1st round picks…. Hinkie also managed to Get Back their traded 2015 & 2017 1st round picks…. W/ their 2013 pick MCW they were able to flip him for another 1st round pick which looks like a Lottery pick…. But in order to buy themselves a future, they had to sell the limited assets they had….

In addition to that, they came up w/ the idea that if they kept their salary cap # Very low, they could become a Bank… Teams like Denver & Sacramento & a few others who desperately wanted to sign free agants or make some moves could not do so b/c they were against the cap…..

So Phila says hey we’ll take some of those dogs to free up Salary but the price for doing business is a 1st round pick…

So when Hinkie took over he had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner & Thad Young & in the Drafts between 2013 & 2018  they had a TOTA:L of 4 first round picks…. After 2 years worth of moves, they now have 14 – FOURTEEN – 1st round picks over ONLY 6 Drafts…..

Now I get how hard it is to watch that team…. It’s actually disgusting & I wonder if their top 2 prospects Okafor & Noel can get thru this year…. but it sounds like Everyone agrees that starting next fall, they will have 4 first round rookies from the 2016 Draft along w/ 4 more genuine prospects (Noel, Okafor, Saric & Embiid)…. in addition they have Two 1st round picks in Both 2017 & 2018….

 So they really have what looks like a strong foundation to build on after only 3 seasons of terribkle losing…. I’m really sorry for how long this is… But I’ll ask again – What would you do differently??? B/c personally I would Much rather be where they are today then where they were in May of 2013 when Hinkie took over….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

different things.   Not every team is able to make it to the playoffs.   It’s one thing to rebuild and it’s another to be constantly bad year in and year out on purpose to get high draft picks.  The Warriors didn’t do this.   I don’t care what that link says.  They didn’t…   They never had the 25, 20, or 15 percent chance on getting the top 3 pick during those years.

Losing for 10 straight years is again DIFFERENT from purposely tanking every year.

If "winning" is the only correlation to not tanking then EVERY TEAM that’s below .500 for a number of years tanked.  BUT we know it’s simply isn’t true…  Most teams make trades, sign players, and draft to upgrade the team.  What Hinkie is doing is trying to be the worst team in the league and stack a bunch of high draft picks next to each other and build a dynasty.  This is a 5 year plan of being bad and maybe an additional 2 years for these players to gel.  So, you’re talking 7 years total for Hinkie plan to work (which the jury is still out because sometimes draft picks just doesn’t work regardless of how high you pick them) and y’all were not a competitive versus the rest of the league.   Is that ok?   Why do y’all feel like this is ok?  And why do y’all think this is something all teams do?  There’s a distinct difference in just not winning and tanking…  

Signing D-League type players that would barely make an NBA roster and then playing them a bulk of minutes just to be bad is crazy.   No NBA has done that…   Name them please…  Please do…

[tuck243Participant]

different things.   Not every team is able to make it to the playoffs.   It’s one thing to rebuild and it’s another to be constantly bad year in and year out on purpose to get high draft picks.  The Warriors didn’t do this.   I don’t care what that link says.  They didn’t…   They never had the 25, 20, or 15 percent chance on getting the top 3 pick during those years.

Losing for 10 straight years is again DIFFERENT from purposely tanking every year.

If "winning" is the only correlation to not tanking then EVERY TEAM that’s below .500 for a number of years tanked.  BUT we know it’s simply isn’t true…  Most teams make trades, sign players, and draft to upgrade the team.  What Hinkie is doing is trying to be the worst team in the league and stack a bunch of high draft picks next to each other and build a dynasty.  This is a 5 year plan of being bad and maybe an additional 2 years for these players to gel.  So, you’re talking 7 years total for Hinkie plan to work (which the jury is still out because sometimes draft picks just doesn’t work regardless of how high you pick them) and y’all were not a competitive versus the rest of the league.   Is that ok?   Why do y’all feel like this is ok?  And why do y’all think this is something all teams do?  There’s a distinct difference in just not winning and tanking…  

Signing D-League type players that would barely make an NBA roster and then playing them a bulk of minutes just to be bad is crazy.   No NBA has done that…   Name them please…  Please do…

[circumlocution75Participant]

 That’s a link to a story from the 2012 season…. Golden State in the midst of their 4th staight season of Tanking….. Owed their 1st round Draft Pick to Utah – but it was top 7 protected…. Golden State who let Baron Davis walk w/o even offering a contract after a 48 win season in 2008…. had won 29, 36 & 26 wins the the 3 seasons since….. Now in 2012, more than half way thru the 2012 season & in danger of finishing w/ a record that would only get them the #8 or #9 worst record….. Golden State traded young star Maonta Ellis so they would sink even lower in the standing & get that #1 pick into the top 7…

Of course the Tanking plan worked…. GSW completed theur 4th straight Lousy season & won 23 games….. & the ping pong balls gave GSW the #7 pick….. which they used to take Harrison Barnes in 2012 Draft…..

 Golden State also tanked for 5 straight years between 1998 – 2002 winning 19, 21, 17, 19 & 21 games….. So that is One team Tanking for 4+ years TWICE just in this young Century…. & they had players as I just mentioned, Monta Ellis, Baron Davis, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington…. That 2008 team had 3 – 20+ppg scores….

None of this is new – All teams do it & they do it ONLY as long as they need to…. As you mentioned OKC used future Hall of Famer Ray Allen to begin their "Rebuild…"

Minnesota had perenial All Star Kevin Love as a poker chip to begin theuir latest attempt to "Rebuild" & it got them Andrew Wiggins! even w/ Wiggins they tanked all of last year – their 9th straight Losing season! 

How about Utah in 2010 using All Star & MVP candidate Deron Williams as a Poker chip to start their "Rebuild" when they traded him for Derrick Favors….

Cleveland tanked like crazy in the years just before re-signing Lebron…. Holding Kyrie Irving out durind the 2nd half og the season in the hopes of Losing enough games to move Higher in the Lottery….

The Atlanta Hawks were in the Top 10 of the Lottery for a full Decade

Sacramento is working on their 10 straight losing year….. 

Milwaukee has ONE winning season in the last Dozen years….

The teams who have a good player or two are able to use that player to turn things around quicker…. Phila actually tried to make a trade to make their team better & the Bynum trade failed & it destroyed their team… they lost their 2 best players & THREE 1st round Draft picks (2012, 2015 & 2017)….

We asked above "If you were hired instead of Hinkie 2 years & 6 months ago what would you have done differently???" 

No one has answered… the best we got was someone said well "they had Jrue Holiday & Thad Young" Ok they are 2 decent players but no where near stars that you can build a team around…. They had Evan Turner too… but that was it….

 & they had NO 1st round pick in 2015 or 2017… So even if they WANTED to build around those 3 mediocre players they could NOT b/c they ONLY had their 2013, 14 & 16 picks & their 2013 pick was #11 in a Very weak Draft….

So they set about to use the 3 mediocre players they had to "Rebuild"…. I’m SHOCKED that for Turner, Young & Holiday, they were able to get FIVE 1st round picks…. Hinkie also managed to Get Back their traded 2015 & 2017 1st round picks…. W/ their 2013 pick MCW they were able to flip him for another 1st round pick which looks like a Lottery pick…. But in order to buy themselves a future, they had to sell the limited assets they had….

In addition to that, they came up w/ the idea that if they kept their salary cap # Very low, they could become a Bank… Teams like Denver & Sacramento & a few others who desperately wanted to sign free agants or make some moves could not do so b/c they were against the cap…..

So Phila says hey we’ll take some of those dogs to free up Salary but the price for doing business is a 1st round pick…

So when Hinkie took over he had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner & Thad Young & in the Drafts between 2013 & 2018  they had a TOTA:L of 4 first round picks…. After 2 years worth of moves, they now have 14 – FOURTEEN – 1st round picks over ONLY 6 Drafts…..

Now I get how hard it is to watch that team…. It’s actually disgusting & I wonder if their top 2 prospects Okafor & Noel can get thru this year…. but it sounds like Everyone agrees that starting next fall, they will have 4 first round rookies from the 2016 Draft along w/ 4 more genuine prospects (Noel, Okafor, Saric & Embiid)…. in addition they have Two 1st round picks in Both 2017 & 2018….

 So they really have what looks like a strong foundation to build on after only 3 seasons of terribkle losing…. I’m really sorry for how long this is… But I’ll ask again – What would you do differently??? B/c personally I would Much rather be where they are today then where they were in May of 2013 when Hinkie took over….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

 okc won like 13 games that year with durant and green…what are you talking about? 

[negguaryParticipant]

 okc won like 13 games that year with durant and green…what are you talking about? 

[tuck243Participant]

No one said the 2007 Sonics had great season.   I said after their 2nd year their win totals doubled.   They went from a 20 win team to 50 wins.   They initially tanked in their first year when they got rid of Ray Allen and drafted KD and Green.   They were trying to build the team around KD…  Drafted Westbrook and then Harden…  They weren’t trying to be bad….  They were just bad…   AND any person who remembers those teams knows they didn’t sign players with the intentions to have high draft picks next year.   Which is what tanking is…  Purposely losing (or sending out inferior players) just to have a chance at #1 pick in next years draft.  It’s one thing to do that for a single season.  But to do that for 4 years straight?  FOH…  

I just don’t understand why this is bothering people…  This has been a hot topic on this site for a long time and y’all still on the Hinkie train…  Y’all even convinced yourselves that every team has done this.  I don’t get it…

[tuck243Participant]

No one said the 2007 Sonics had great season.   I said after their 2nd year their win totals doubled.   They went from a 20 win team to 50 wins.   They initially tanked in their first year when they got rid of Ray Allen and drafted KD and Green.   They were trying to build the team around KD…  Drafted Westbrook and then Harden…  They weren’t trying to be bad….  They were just bad…   AND any person who remembers those teams knows they didn’t sign players with the intentions to have high draft picks next year.   Which is what tanking is…  Purposely losing (or sending out inferior players) just to have a chance at #1 pick in next years draft.  It’s one thing to do that for a single season.  But to do that for 4 years straight?  FOH…  

I just don’t understand why this is bothering people…  This has been a hot topic on this site for a long time and y’all still on the Hinkie train…  Y’all even convinced yourselves that every team has done this.  I don’t get it…

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 The Warriors tanked for Harrison Barnes

The Cavs tanked for Andrew Wiggins, and were lucky enough to get Kyrie with The Clippers pick, they were purposely bad those years after LBJ left them high and dry

You may be right that The Kings and Buck are bad franchises and are just barely decent after all these years of using, they have tanked too BTW, trading away pieces like Andrew Bogut for Ekpe Udoh and Monta Ellis(who was than jettisoned out of Milwaukee the next year)

Teams get very lucky in the draft or free agency(ask Miami after the Pistons passed on Wade and Melo, and they than get to draft future Hall of Famer D Wade, trade for Shaq and win a Championship a few years into Wade’s career, this allowed the Heat to be a viable candidate for Lebron James to join them(after signing another Hall Of Fame player in Bosh)

The Heat 1st got lucky in the draft, trading away players for Shaq, than dumped all their players and prospects for James and Bosh when the chance came their way…

Every team as had their fair share of luck and heartache, the 76ers are just hoping some comes their way in these next 2 Draft Classes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 The Warriors tanked for Harrison Barnes

The Cavs tanked for Andrew Wiggins, and were lucky enough to get Kyrie with The Clippers pick, they were purposely bad those years after LBJ left them high and dry

You may be right that The Kings and Buck are bad franchises and are just barely decent after all these years of using, they have tanked too BTW, trading away pieces like Andrew Bogut for Ekpe Udoh and Monta Ellis(who was than jettisoned out of Milwaukee the next year)

Teams get very lucky in the draft or free agency(ask Miami after the Pistons passed on Wade and Melo, and they than get to draft future Hall of Famer D Wade, trade for Shaq and win a Championship a few years into Wade’s career, this allowed the Heat to be a viable candidate for Lebron James to join them(after signing another Hall Of Fame player in Bosh)

The Heat 1st got lucky in the draft, trading away players for Shaq, than dumped all their players and prospects for James and Bosh when the chance came their way…

Every team as had their fair share of luck and heartache, the 76ers are just hoping some comes their way in these next 2 Draft Classes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tuck243Participant]

No one said they didn’t…    I said they didn’t tank for 4 years straight to get a number of high draft picks.   That’s simply not true.  And the Warriors DIDN’T tank for Barnes.  They were just a bad team…   

[tuck243Participant]

No one said they didn’t…    I said they didn’t tank for 4 years straight to get a number of high draft picks.   That’s simply not true.  And the Warriors DIDN’T tank for Barnes.  They were just a bad team…   

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 K, so you’re wrong on sooo many levels right now. First of all, the Warriors didn’t tank, and why the heck would they tank for Barnes. 7th in the lottery isn’t tanking, they were just bad that season. Next, the Cavs didn’t tank for Wiggins. If I remember right, the Cavs were projected to have the 9th pick. They got EXTREMELY lucky in the lottery, or maybe it was rigged, but that’s another discussion. My point is to take everything that you just said and explain it why you’re wrong. The Cavs being the 9th worst in the league isn’t tanking, they got the #1 pick because of luck. And the Warriors weren’t tanking either, they had the 7th pick, that’s some "OK" basketball.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 K, so you’re wrong on sooo many levels right now. First of all, the Warriors didn’t tank, and why the heck would they tank for Barnes. 7th in the lottery isn’t tanking, they were just bad that season. Next, the Cavs didn’t tank for Wiggins. If I remember right, the Cavs were projected to have the 9th pick. They got EXTREMELY lucky in the lottery, or maybe it was rigged, but that’s another discussion. My point is to take everything that you just said and explain it why you’re wrong. The Cavs being the 9th worst in the league isn’t tanking, they got the #1 pick because of luck. And the Warriors weren’t tanking either, they had the 7th pick, that’s some "OK" basketball.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 to an article written by a reporter that Covers Golden State outling how they specifically got rid of Monta Ellis in 2012 (during the year) so they would Not have to give up their #1 pick that year which was top 7 protected…. 

2012 was year 4 of Golden States ‘Tankathon" which began after their 48 win season in 2008 when they let Baron Davis walk for Nothing….. So the 2012 trade monta Ellis move was like a Double Dip tank & people around the League went CRAZY!

 you guys are purposely inventing your own reality…. this is known as equivocating & it means I don’t have a retort to the evidence presented so I’m going to either 1. ignore 2. dismiss or 3. attack the source

No one is defending the Sixers here & the whole point of why they had to tank for 3 years now & other teams tanked for less time was b/c the "other" teams had pieces to trade….. & that was the Whole point of the original post – the Sixers are stuck b/c the Bynum trade "cleaned them out"

And no one is picking on the Warriors or any other teams that have tanked… but your basic argument is – "the Sixers have been tanking for 3 years – it’s worse than everyone else b/c that’s how I feel…. & you are just going to have to take my word for it b/c I’m not going to present any evidence to back up my claim & I refuse to address any facts that you have brought forward…"

And still none of you guys have answered the question that was Originally presented:

Hinke was hired 30 months ago – if you were hired instead of Hinkie in May of 2013 – ‘What would you have done differently….?" 

I have actually look up what the Sixers would have had they played the hand they were dealt in 2013…. Based on their record in 2012/13 & making a good estimate of where they would have drafted in 2014 & who they needed… I think they would have taken Doug McDermott #10… In 2013, b/c they would’ve kept Holiday, no need for MCW & needing a big man – they take Steve Adams in 2013…. & remember they traded away the 2015 & 2017 First round picks….

So the best guess I can come up w/ is they would still be a 25 to 35 win team w/ a starting 5 of Jrue Holiday, Thad Young, Evan Turner, Steve Adams & Doug McDermott…. They would have no rookie from 2015 b/c that pick was traded away…. 

So there are a bunch of Sixers fans in the room – some are in favor of Hinkie & some are against…. Since no one else would answer the question "What would you do differently?" I tried to answer where would they be w/o all the moves…. so what do the Sixers fans think – which team would you rather have (long term)? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 to an article written by a reporter that Covers Golden State outling how they specifically got rid of Monta Ellis in 2012 (during the year) so they would Not have to give up their #1 pick that year which was top 7 protected…. 

2012 was year 4 of Golden States ‘Tankathon" which began after their 48 win season in 2008 when they let Baron Davis walk for Nothing….. So the 2012 trade monta Ellis move was like a Double Dip tank & people around the League went CRAZY!

 you guys are purposely inventing your own reality…. this is known as equivocating & it means I don’t have a retort to the evidence presented so I’m going to either 1. ignore 2. dismiss or 3. attack the source

No one is defending the Sixers here & the whole point of why they had to tank for 3 years now & other teams tanked for less time was b/c the "other" teams had pieces to trade….. & that was the Whole point of the original post – the Sixers are stuck b/c the Bynum trade "cleaned them out"

And no one is picking on the Warriors or any other teams that have tanked… but your basic argument is – "the Sixers have been tanking for 3 years – it’s worse than everyone else b/c that’s how I feel…. & you are just going to have to take my word for it b/c I’m not going to present any evidence to back up my claim & I refuse to address any facts that you have brought forward…"

And still none of you guys have answered the question that was Originally presented:

Hinke was hired 30 months ago – if you were hired instead of Hinkie in May of 2013 – ‘What would you have done differently….?" 

I have actually look up what the Sixers would have had they played the hand they were dealt in 2013…. Based on their record in 2012/13 & making a good estimate of where they would have drafted in 2014 & who they needed… I think they would have taken Doug McDermott #10… In 2013, b/c they would’ve kept Holiday, no need for MCW & needing a big man – they take Steve Adams in 2013…. & remember they traded away the 2015 & 2017 First round picks….

So the best guess I can come up w/ is they would still be a 25 to 35 win team w/ a starting 5 of Jrue Holiday, Thad Young, Evan Turner, Steve Adams & Doug McDermott…. They would have no rookie from 2015 b/c that pick was traded away…. 

So there are a bunch of Sixers fans in the room – some are in favor of Hinkie & some are against…. Since no one else would answer the question "What would you do differently?" I tried to answer where would they be w/o all the moves…. so what do the Sixers fans think – which team would you rather have (long term)? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[r377Participant]

The Sixers are a disgrace. They have had 5 lotto picks and they cannot win one game – just one game.

5 lotto picks should be enough for a decent starting lineup, how many lotto picks do they need to make the playoffs ? 10 Maybe ? Maybe 15 if they keep drafting injured bigs and stash euros….

[r377Participant]

The Sixers are a disgrace. They have had 5 lotto picks and they cannot win one game – just one game.

5 lotto picks should be enough for a decent starting lineup, how many lotto picks do they need to make the playoffs ? 10 Maybe ? Maybe 15 if they keep drafting injured bigs and stash euros….

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