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  • #63897
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    goldie92689
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     Pelicans are in an excellent position at number 6. They already have a top ten player and if they can get another all star level player they can be a perenial playoff team going forward. What should the Pells do? Assume 1. Simmons 2. Ingram 3. Hield 4. Bender

     

     

     

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  • #1065770
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     Pels need a two way 3 and D wing player. Good perimeter defense with a 3 point shot and scorer. I like Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray, and Hield as options if they are on the board for the Pels

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  • #1065647
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     Pels need a two way 3 and D wing player. Good perimeter defense with a 3 point shot and scorer. I like Jaylen Brown, Jamal Murray, and Hield as options if they are on the board for the Pels

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  • #1065774
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    Kingslayer
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    The Pelicans FO has done a pretty bad job building the team besides lucking into the #1 pick at the right time, and as a result they are still a ways away from becoming a perennial playoff team. Sure they’ve had unlucky breaks – Gordon and Holiday became incredibly injury prone after acquiring them. However Gordon was never worth a Max contract in the first place and the Pel’s paid a really high price for Jrue in two lottery picks. Tyreke Evans doesn’t play a winning brand of basketball, and it seems they overpaid for Asik as well last year. 

    Anderson and Gordon’s contracts are up, and Jrue/Evans have one year left each. The only core long term asset this team really has is AD. That’s a good place to start at least, but they need to draft whoever they like best at 6, regardless of position. I personally like Jakob Poeltl a lot (maybe even as the #3 prospect in this draft), and think he would be an excellent fit next to AD in the frontcourt. This frees them up to make a decision on Holiday as PG of the future next offseason, and/or target the strong class of guards/wings in the 2017 draft.

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  • #1065651
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    The Pelicans FO has done a pretty bad job building the team besides lucking into the #1 pick at the right time, and as a result they are still a ways away from becoming a perennial playoff team. Sure they’ve had unlucky breaks – Gordon and Holiday became incredibly injury prone after acquiring them. However Gordon was never worth a Max contract in the first place and the Pel’s paid a really high price for Jrue in two lottery picks. Tyreke Evans doesn’t play a winning brand of basketball, and it seems they overpaid for Asik as well last year. 

    Anderson and Gordon’s contracts are up, and Jrue/Evans have one year left each. The only core long term asset this team really has is AD. That’s a good place to start at least, but they need to draft whoever they like best at 6, regardless of position. I personally like Jakob Poeltl a lot (maybe even as the #3 prospect in this draft), and think he would be an excellent fit next to AD in the frontcourt. This frees them up to make a decision on Holiday as PG of the future next offseason, and/or target the strong class of guards/wings in the 2017 draft.

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  • #1065776
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    Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans are injury prone. If Dunn is there Im taking him or I trade Philly for Nerlens Noel with a late first rounder and put him with AD. But they need a C, PG and a SF. Jaylen Brown is good pick Murray will be gone so I’m going Dunn or Brown.

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  • #1065653
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    Jrue Holiday and Tyreke Evans are injury prone. If Dunn is there Im taking him or I trade Philly for Nerlens Noel with a late first rounder and put him with AD. But they need a C, PG and a SF. Jaylen Brown is good pick Murray will be gone so I’m going Dunn or Brown.

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  • #1065786
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    To say the Pelicans are in an excellent position seems incohherntly wrong to me.  They have arguably the best piece in the NBA in AD, but after that they are a team that looks lost.  They overachieved last year by reaching the playoffs (Thanks to the KD injury bug) and inexplicably fired their well respected head coach after doing so (Monty Williams), only to bring in a complete wildcard in Alvin Gentry who thought getting Anthony Davis to shoot more 3’s would make them title contenders.  Fast forward one year, and they are coming off a disgraceful 30-52 season in which they started extremely slow and never rebounded from.  And their prize from their aggregious error is a number 6 selection in a draft that has what most people view as 2 blue chip prospects (Simmons & Ingram), a couple total scratch off lotto ticket (Bender & Murray) and two ready to contribute/low ceiling players in (Hield & Dunn).  And basically at 6 they get whats left, whoever that is is anyones best guess at this point.  I think in a perfect world they get Dunn and he can become the Robin to AD’s Batman and they become a bottome feeder in the Western Conference playoff picture (6-8) until AD bolts out of town.  If I was in charge of New Orleans, I’d seriously consider moving AD, to perferably the 76ers, or perhaps the Lakers or Celtics and acquiring a top pick, as well as other prized assets (Anthony Davis would fetch a king’s ransom at this point) to go with that number 6 selection and just blowing it up.  As constructed the Pelicans are years away from contending even with an elite talent like AD, so why not sell high, buy some time and acquire a shitload of assets to build a young team around moving forward.  AD is officially in no-mans land in New Orleans.  #FREEANTHONYDAVIS

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  • #1065663
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    To say the Pelicans are in an excellent position seems incohherntly wrong to me.  They have arguably the best piece in the NBA in AD, but after that they are a team that looks lost.  They overachieved last year by reaching the playoffs (Thanks to the KD injury bug) and inexplicably fired their well respected head coach after doing so (Monty Williams), only to bring in a complete wildcard in Alvin Gentry who thought getting Anthony Davis to shoot more 3’s would make them title contenders.  Fast forward one year, and they are coming off a disgraceful 30-52 season in which they started extremely slow and never rebounded from.  And their prize from their aggregious error is a number 6 selection in a draft that has what most people view as 2 blue chip prospects (Simmons & Ingram), a couple total scratch off lotto ticket (Bender & Murray) and two ready to contribute/low ceiling players in (Hield & Dunn).  And basically at 6 they get whats left, whoever that is is anyones best guess at this point.  I think in a perfect world they get Dunn and he can become the Robin to AD’s Batman and they become a bottome feeder in the Western Conference playoff picture (6-8) until AD bolts out of town.  If I was in charge of New Orleans, I’d seriously consider moving AD, to perferably the 76ers, or perhaps the Lakers or Celtics and acquiring a top pick, as well as other prized assets (Anthony Davis would fetch a king’s ransom at this point) to go with that number 6 selection and just blowing it up.  As constructed the Pelicans are years away from contending even with an elite talent like AD, so why not sell high, buy some time and acquire a shitload of assets to build a young team around moving forward.  AD is officially in no-mans land in New Orleans.  #FREEANTHONYDAVIS

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    • #1065800
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       They would never do it. But I wish the Pels front office would just blow it up. AD to Celts for the nets  1st 2016, 2017 and 2018.

      Unless the Pelicans can attract a star they will prbly get stuck in middle of the pack for a long time.

        

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    • #1065677
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       They would never do it. But I wish the Pels front office would just blow it up. AD to Celts for the nets  1st 2016, 2017 and 2018.

      Unless the Pelicans can attract a star they will prbly get stuck in middle of the pack for a long time.

        

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    • #1066051
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      Andv1 Waiting
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      @J-rue 

      This is what I would do if I owned/was P.O.B.O(president of basketball ops) of the pelicans the would do the following:

       They need to fire that idiot of a GM he is essentially destroying that franchise:Max contracts for injury prone players and 60 mill for a player that clearly doesn’t fit the system of the coach he hand picked(SMH)…

      Draft Jaylen brown (if available) as the Pelicans have no small forward Or best SG available out of murray/hield and I wouldn’t want multiple picks in this years draft. Next years draft(2017-2018) is PG heavy apparently(Think 09 draft heavy) which suits them better as I am guessing Pelicans may still be in the lottery unfortunately..

      Fire you training staff as the players can’t stay healthy(which is also on the players but something has to change as the record is starting to speak for itself)…

      I would however hold of on trading AD for two more seasons: This offseason(2016-2017) see what pieces you can get and how they work with A.D if it doesn’t improve much then in 2017-2018 offseason you reassess

      Next offseason(2017-2018 once draft order has been established) If nothing has improved and A.D still can’t get passed 65+ games you think about full rebuild…As you can’t have a franchise player that can’t stay on the court as you go as they go unfortunately..

       So you would trade A.D for a solid starter or two(on reasonable deals) + as many picks as possible:1-2 1st rounders in 2017 draft( it has to be a top 1-3 pick+ a top 20 pick-other team may have to trade for if it doesn’t have it) and one in 2018 draft (top 3 protected only then have proviso’s after that) as this would offer the best chance at a clean slate and value for a superstar/franchise player ..This is the sort of deal Utah got for Deron williams(a franchise player at the time) so it could happen..

       

       

       

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    • #1066173
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      Andv1 Waiting
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      @J-rue 

      This is what I would do if I owned/was P.O.B.O(president of basketball ops) of the pelicans the would do the following:

       They need to fire that idiot of a GM he is essentially destroying that franchise:Max contracts for injury prone players and 60 mill for a player that clearly doesn’t fit the system of the coach he hand picked(SMH)…

      Draft Jaylen brown (if available) as the Pelicans have no small forward Or best SG available out of murray/hield and I wouldn’t want multiple picks in this years draft. Next years draft(2017-2018) is PG heavy apparently(Think 09 draft heavy) which suits them better as I am guessing Pelicans may still be in the lottery unfortunately..

      Fire you training staff as the players can’t stay healthy(which is also on the players but something has to change as the record is starting to speak for itself)…

      I would however hold of on trading AD for two more seasons: This offseason(2016-2017) see what pieces you can get and how they work with A.D if it doesn’t improve much then in 2017-2018 offseason you reassess

      Next offseason(2017-2018 once draft order has been established) If nothing has improved and A.D still can’t get passed 65+ games you think about full rebuild…As you can’t have a franchise player that can’t stay on the court as you go as they go unfortunately..

       So you would trade A.D for a solid starter or two(on reasonable deals) + as many picks as possible:1-2 1st rounders in 2017 draft( it has to be a top 1-3 pick+ a top 20 pick-other team may have to trade for if it doesn’t have it) and one in 2018 draft (top 3 protected only then have proviso’s after that) as this would offer the best chance at a clean slate and value for a superstar/franchise player ..This is the sort of deal Utah got for Deron williams(a franchise player at the time) so it could happen..

       

       

       

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  • #1065796
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    Jr. ROXAS
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    These Pelicans for years fil out their roster with everything aside from good SFs. It’s like their allergic to tall, good D playing 3s. So I HOPE they do draft Jaylen Brown or at least trade for a 3 and D wing. We all know Evans, Holday and Gordon can’t play at the same time. And we also know a combination of Quincy Pondexter and Alonzo Gee at the 3 spot is as bad as it goes.

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  • #1065673
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    These Pelicans for years fil out their roster with everything aside from good SFs. It’s like their allergic to tall, good D playing 3s. So I HOPE they do draft Jaylen Brown or at least trade for a 3 and D wing. We all know Evans, Holday and Gordon can’t play at the same time. And we also know a combination of Quincy Pondexter and Alonzo Gee at the 3 spot is as bad as it goes.

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  • #1065804
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    TheGuy
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     Murray, Dunn, or Brown

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    TheGuy
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     Murray, Dunn, or Brown

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  • #1065828
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    Biggysmalls
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     "they need a 3 and D guy who can shoot 3-pointers…I like Jaylen Brown"

    That gave me a good chuckle. 

    Don’t think Brown would be a bad pick at 6, but I thought the path you took to reasoning with that selection was humorous. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1065705
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     "they need a 3 and D guy who can shoot 3-pointers…I like Jaylen Brown"

    That gave me a good chuckle. 

    Don’t think Brown would be a bad pick at 6, but I thought the path you took to reasoning with that selection was humorous. 

     

     

     

     

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  • #1065829
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    Uncledrew
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    Gordon contract expiring helps. As stated the only real asset is Anthony Davis and the only other good player on the team (when healthy) is Holiday. Asik isn’t worth his contract so package him with Tyreke to get a veteran and a late lottery pick in 2017. At 6 in this year’s draft I think Jaylen Brown should fall in there lap finally a legit talent at SF. If he’s gone Murray or Hield would be solid next to Jrue. They’re  not going to hit a home run off the bat but they can take some solid steps in the right direction. If they have given up on Jrue they could package him with Asik for a pick and bring in Dunn as the point guard of the future. I love his attitude, hunger and mentality I think he has the tools and makeup to be a star in this league sooner than later.

     

     

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    • #1066031
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      $10 million, $10.5 million, $11 million, and what will almost certainly be a $5 million of the remaining guaranteed money in 2019-20. You cannot think they will get pennie on the dollar for that much less a future one. Tyreke only has one year left on his deal, and it is not exactly a health certainty with his knee problems. Jrue Holiday has also been unlucky with injuries as he goes into his final year. With the contract and health situations, Davis is really the only one I would think New Orleans feels comfortably certain will be there in two years, so I would expect them to plan as such.

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    • #1066154
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      $10 million, $10.5 million, $11 million, and what will almost certainly be a $5 million of the remaining guaranteed money in 2019-20. You cannot think they will get pennie on the dollar for that much less a future one. Tyreke only has one year left on his deal, and it is not exactly a health certainty with his knee problems. Jrue Holiday has also been unlucky with injuries as he goes into his final year. With the contract and health situations, Davis is really the only one I would think New Orleans feels comfortably certain will be there in two years, so I would expect them to plan as such.

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  • #1065952
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    Gordon contract expiring helps. As stated the only real asset is Anthony Davis and the only other good player on the team (when healthy) is Holiday. Asik isn’t worth his contract so package him with Tyreke to get a veteran and a late lottery pick in 2017. At 6 in this year’s draft I think Jaylen Brown should fall in there lap finally a legit talent at SF. If he’s gone Murray or Hield would be solid next to Jrue. They’re  not going to hit a home run off the bat but they can take some solid steps in the right direction. If they have given up on Jrue they could package him with Asik for a pick and bring in Dunn as the point guard of the future. I love his attitude, hunger and mentality I think he has the tools and makeup to be a star in this league sooner than later.

     

     

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  • #1065833
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     I think Dunn is the best player available here him and AD in the pick and roll would be deadly and it would allow AD to get easy buckets… See if you can trade holiday Gordon and Evans to the nets since they love giving up 1st round draft picks for injured when players 

     

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    • #1066019
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      Andv1 Waiting
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      @Lakerman17 

      Eric is a free agent-you  can’t trade him he chooses where he goes now..

      Tyreeke you would be trading dollars to cents( you wouldn’t get = value as he is to injury prone) + I don’t think Brooklyn has any assets(no picks until 2019) that would make this a fair trade unless it was just a straight salary dump. The thing with Tyreeke  is he comes off the books next season so its sort of pointless move as you could use the cap better next offseason….

       

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    • #1066142
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      @Lakerman17 

      Eric is a free agent-you  can’t trade him he chooses where he goes now..

      Tyreeke you would be trading dollars to cents( you wouldn’t get = value as he is to injury prone) + I don’t think Brooklyn has any assets(no picks until 2019) that would make this a fair trade unless it was just a straight salary dump. The thing with Tyreeke  is he comes off the books next season so its sort of pointless move as you could use the cap better next offseason….

       

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  • #1065956
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     I think Dunn is the best player available here him and AD in the pick and roll would be deadly and it would allow AD to get easy buckets… See if you can trade holiday Gordon and Evans to the nets since they love giving up 1st round draft picks for injured when players 

     

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  • #1066089
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     I was not even really serious about the nets pick…but what I’m saying is they should build from this pick and Anthony Davis and I think Dunn and him would be great together and I don’t think they should say Dunn doesn’t fit with out other guards and I say what the hell with them they aren’t good enough for the Pelicans to pass on Dunn he’s just as athletic as them and he is a better point guard  even right now

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    • #1066286
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      @Lakerman 

      I don’t disagree with you on taking the best player for you team but I think the pool you have to fully consider Dunn,Hield,Murray and Brown+ maybe wildcard player that may blow you away in the workout process in a position of need…

       Dunn makes the most sense if you believe that you will get the other pieces to fill out the roster and be in the playoff mix next season(every other position bar AD’s).

      However if you believe that you will be in the lottery next offseason(Quite probable due injury history of this team) then you go for another need and get your PG next season with a more Point guard heavy class -they have like 9-10 in the top 30 which gives you good odds of getting a quality one/maybe a more talented PG then with a smaller injury record(Dunn has  had two shoulder surgeries already)… 

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    • #1066407
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      @Lakerman 

      I don’t disagree with you on taking the best player for you team but I think the pool you have to fully consider Dunn,Hield,Murray and Brown+ maybe wildcard player that may blow you away in the workout process in a position of need…

       Dunn makes the most sense if you believe that you will get the other pieces to fill out the roster and be in the playoff mix next season(every other position bar AD’s).

      However if you believe that you will be in the lottery next offseason(Quite probable due injury history of this team) then you go for another need and get your PG next season with a more Point guard heavy class -they have like 9-10 in the top 30 which gives you good odds of getting a quality one/maybe a more talented PG then with a smaller injury record(Dunn has  had two shoulder surgeries already)… 

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  • #1066211
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     I was not even really serious about the nets pick…but what I’m saying is they should build from this pick and Anthony Davis and I think Dunn and him would be great together and I don’t think they should say Dunn doesn’t fit with out other guards and I say what the hell with them they aren’t good enough for the Pelicans to pass on Dunn he’s just as athletic as them and he is a better point guard  even right now

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