[holefillers1Participant]

Tons of new highlight vids of McCaw on the web. I am not kidding when I say he brings everything to the floor that Jamal Murray brings, plus more. Taller, longer ws, WAYYY better defender. 37% from three and really good off catch and shoot.  If you think Murray is a better ball handler, you’re not paying attention. If you think Murray is a better passer, you’re not paying attention.  I would take McCaw over Murray everyday.  Watch the tape and then feel free to move him up your board.  6’7 SG’s who can handle the ball, shoot the three and defend 1-3 are few and far between.  If this current mock holds, Pat McCaw gets my Jimmy Butler "Why the hell was he drafted at the end of the first round" award.

[dudo670Participant]

McCaw is disgustingly underrated as he has been his whole life. DX has him going second round? His big knocks are his frame and his ball-handling. First with his frame, everyone puts weight on in the NBA so he’ll fill out solidly and I could easily see him getting from 180 to 200 in a couple seasons. His ball handling isn’t great yet but I think he’s got more potential as a ball handler than Jamal Murray or Buddy Hield do. Then you look at his strengths: size, length, explosiveness, shooting, passing/vision, defensive upside, and you have a guy who is, in my opinion, the best SG prospect in the draft.

[dudo670Participant]

McCaw is disgustingly underrated as he has been his whole life. DX has him going second round? His big knocks are his frame and his ball-handling. First with his frame, everyone puts weight on in the NBA so he’ll fill out solidly and I could easily see him getting from 180 to 200 in a couple seasons. His ball handling isn’t great yet but I think he’s got more potential as a ball handler than Jamal Murray or Buddy Hield do. Then you look at his strengths: size, length, explosiveness, shooting, passing/vision, defensive upside, and you have a guy who is, in my opinion, the best SG prospect in the draft.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 He is Filthy……….. He reminds me So much of Josh Richardson who Miami stole last year in the 2nd round………..

Boston desperatly needs an outside shooter……… & Phila Desperately needs guards period……….. This kid could help Either

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 He is Filthy……….. He reminds me So much of Josh Richardson who Miami stole last year in the 2nd round………..

Boston desperatly needs an outside shooter……… & Phila Desperately needs guards period……….. This kid could help Either

 

[nill650Participant]

 if his bb iq catches up with those higher ranked sg prospects I could see it, but thats not going to happen before next week. I’d say late lottery is a pipe dream at best probably go 15-26 range. But hey, you might be right, he might turn out to be better than Korkmaz,Richardson,Beasely etc 

[ph90702]

His basketball IQ is one of his biggest strengths.  He was the antithesis of the Dave Rice era.  He just needs to mature physically.

[nill650Participant]

 really? ok man. how many prospects out of the mountain west conference have turned out to be better than thier projected draft spots besides Kahwi Leonard 2011? Bogut was projected #1 in 2005. Rashad Vaghn who was drafted last year and was projected higher drafted at 17 was the 3rd best sg in his class where McCaw is ranked 6th. Hield,Murray,Korkmaz,Beasley and Richardson are all ranked ahead of him.Do you still think he is the next big thing? You can’t convince me he is that underated. Granted the size and skillset are promising and if he works he could be a starter in the league someday, but to arbitrarily state he is a top 10 pick without having played against tougher defenders and not being capable of leading his team to a big dance birth,tells me if the tools are there the character is’nt ,the leadership is’nt and only time will tell. But I doubt he goes in the lottery even if you turn out to be right about his game at the next level.

[nill650Participant]

 really? ok man. how many prospects out of the mountain west conference have turned out to be better than thier projected draft spots besides Kahwi Leonard 2011? Bogut was projected #1 in 2005. Rashad Vaghn who was drafted last year and was projected higher drafted at 17 was the 3rd best sg in his class where McCaw is ranked 6th. Hield,Murray,Korkmaz,Beasley and Richardson are all ranked ahead of him.Do you still think he is the next big thing? You can’t convince me he is that underated. Granted the size and skillset are promising and if he works he could be a starter in the league someday, but to arbitrarily state he is a top 10 pick without having played against tougher defenders and not being capable of leading his team to a big dance birth,tells me if the tools are there the character is’nt ,the leadership is’nt and only time will tell. But I doubt he goes in the lottery even if you turn out to be right about his game at the next level.

[dudo670Participant]

 

 Paul George came out of the mountain west and his team wasn’t that good yet he’s a beast in the pros. No one is saying McCaw is a great college player but your post is what is wrong with scouting! Scouts analyze how good a guy is in college (mostly based on stats and some tape) adjust for age and perceived athleticism and that’s it. They don’t try to project how a guy will improve. McCaw is the kind of guy that will take 3-4 years to get it together but he’s got the potential to become a top 5 player in this draft considering how good he is for being raw.

[nill650Participant]

 the op said top 10 pick

That he is not,and yes the competition a prospect has faced definitely is important in evaluating potential,obviously it is not the be all end all,mccaw had a great combine,i like the upside but he in no lottery pick

 

[nill650Participant]

 the op said top 10 pick

That he is not,and yes the competition a prospect has faced definitely is important in evaluating potential,obviously it is not the be all end all,mccaw had a great combine,i like the upside but he in no lottery pick

 

[dudo670Participant]

 Yeah and in a weak draft it’s not that hard to be top 10. Obviously hes not going top 10 because traditional scouts have him in the 20s to 30s and it wouldn’t make sense to take him top 10 if you can get him 20. But OP is saying he should go top 10. And I don’t disagree at all. The scouts are wrong year after year yet somehow keep their jobs so I don’t think it’s crazy for someone to have an opinion differing from scouts.

[nill650Participant]

You can add several prospects to the should be but probably won’t be lottery picked list,and much of the long term success of players taken late first or to a playoff team in the 2nd has to do as much with the veteran winners already on those teams that mentor them and inspire them to find greatness, its the high character self driven leaders who work for everything every day stay humble and don’t need that leadership because their skillsets are already so impressive that even if they don’t have that veteran presence they can still play at a competitive level as a rookie that go in the lottery. yes there are exceptions to that too,and I do think McCaw has the tools to be as impactful on a good team as say danny green in SA has become , but on a bad team,he’s in the d-league with rashad vaughn by the all-star break

scouting has more to do with fit than alot of people want to accept,its just that high lottery teams for the most part don’t have anyone to try to fit a player too,they don’t have anything but plans…and often these plans go belly up

[holefillers1Participant]

 The title of my post was an attention grabber. But I also drew a comparison to a top five player and the top SG prospect in Jamal Murray. I would McCaw him top ten because I feel he will be in the league in five years where roughly half of this first round will not be, based off of every draft we have had on the last 30 yrs.  Also Tony Snell is still in the league and he cant dribble as well as McCaw.  If you can shoot, defend and handle the ball even a little bit, you have a chance to be special in this league.

[holefillers1Participant]

 The title of my post was an attention grabber. But I also drew a comparison to a top five player and the top SG prospect in Jamal Murray. I would McCaw him top ten because I feel he will be in the league in five years where roughly half of this first round will not be, based off of every draft we have had on the last 30 yrs.  Also Tony Snell is still in the league and he cant dribble as well as McCaw.  If you can shoot, defend and handle the ball even a little bit, you have a chance to be special in this league.

[nill650Participant]

You can add several prospects to the should be but probably won’t be lottery picked list,and much of the long term success of players taken late first or to a playoff team in the 2nd has to do as much with the veteran winners already on those teams that mentor them and inspire them to find greatness, its the high character self driven leaders who work for everything every day stay humble and don’t need that leadership because their skillsets are already so impressive that even if they don’t have that veteran presence they can still play at a competitive level as a rookie that go in the lottery. yes there are exceptions to that too,and I do think McCaw has the tools to be as impactful on a good team as say danny green in SA has become , but on a bad team,he’s in the d-league with rashad vaughn by the all-star break

scouting has more to do with fit than alot of people want to accept,its just that high lottery teams for the most part don’t have anyone to try to fit a player too,they don’t have anything but plans…and often these plans go belly up

[dudo670Participant]

 Yeah and in a weak draft it’s not that hard to be top 10. Obviously hes not going top 10 because traditional scouts have him in the 20s to 30s and it wouldn’t make sense to take him top 10 if you can get him 20. But OP is saying he should go top 10. And I don’t disagree at all. The scouts are wrong year after year yet somehow keep their jobs so I don’t think it’s crazy for someone to have an opinion differing from scouts.

[dudo670Participant]

 

 Paul George came out of the mountain west and his team wasn’t that good yet he’s a beast in the pros. No one is saying McCaw is a great college player but your post is what is wrong with scouting! Scouts analyze how good a guy is in college (mostly based on stats and some tape) adjust for age and perceived athleticism and that’s it. They don’t try to project how a guy will improve. McCaw is the kind of guy that will take 3-4 years to get it together but he’s got the potential to become a top 5 player in this draft considering how good he is for being raw.

[ph90702]

His basketball IQ is one of his biggest strengths.  He was the antithesis of the Dave Rice era.  He just needs to mature physically.

[nill650Participant]

 if his bb iq catches up with those higher ranked sg prospects I could see it, but thats not going to happen before next week. I’d say late lottery is a pipe dream at best probably go 15-26 range. But hey, you might be right, he might turn out to be better than Korkmaz,Richardson,Beasely etc 

[kobyzParticipant]

 Smaller poor man Paul George…

[festar35Participant]

Speaking of which I would love Indiana to take him or Prince!!!

[festar35Participant]

Speaking of which I would love Indiana to take him or Prince!!!

[kobyzParticipant]

 Smaller poor man Paul George…

[blackflash234Participant]

As much as I like Hield and think he’ll be great, I love two way players, something Hield’s not. I’d love for my Raptors to grab him at 27. If he’s there and we don’t take him, I’ll be livid! 

[blackflash234Participant]

As much as I like Hield and think he’ll be great, I love two way players, something Hield’s not. I’d love for my Raptors to grab him at 27. If he’s there and we don’t take him, I’ll be livid! 

[MopgrassParticipant]

He’s a top 10 pick in a Patrick McCaw picking contest.

[MopgrassParticipant]

He’s a top 10 pick in a Patrick McCaw picking contest.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

What I really like with McCaw is that he’s a ballhawk. Not many players have instincts like him on D. People love to say that defense is not all about steals. But when you move laterally AND have excellent dig-down/pickpocketing skills ala Kawhi, it’s really fun to watch.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

What I really like with McCaw is that he’s a ballhawk. Not many players have instincts like him on D. People love to say that defense is not all about steals. But when you move laterally AND have excellent dig-down/pickpocketing skills ala Kawhi, it’s really fun to watch.

[ph90702]

I remember when they were playing Wichita State, he literally jumped on a pass as soon as the guy started to make it, and he got an easy layup out of it.  Also, he would get at least one easy basket per game out of a steal.

[ph90702]

I remember when they were playing Wichita State, he literally jumped on a pass as soon as the guy started to make it, and he got an easy layup out of it.  Also, he would get at least one easy basket per game out of a steal.

[holefillers1Participant]

 Just a friendly reminder that created this post almost a month ago. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Just a friendly reminder that created this post almost a month ago. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Just a friendly reminder that created this post almost a month ago. 

[D7H7NParticipant]

Watching him from the summer league, looks like he’ll be a great 3-D player. Maybe Danny Green with slightly better handles?

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Danny Green is a great comparison for his perimeter off the ball game but he does more. He also can play as a primary ballhandler at a very good pace and get to the rim with shifty moves nearly at will despite his slight frame. They call him Baby Livingston in Oakland because of his 6’6 height and ball handling abilities so I guess he shares enough similarities to say he is somewhat of a blend of both players. All I know is Steve Kerr is gonna love integrating him into their position less system.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Danny Green is a great comparison for his perimeter off the ball game but he does more. He also can play as a primary ballhandler at a very good pace and get to the rim with shifty moves nearly at will despite his slight frame. They call him Baby Livingston in Oakland because of his 6’6 height and ball handling abilities so I guess he shares enough similarities to say he is somewhat of a blend of both players. All I know is Steve Kerr is gonna love integrating him into their position less system.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Danny Green is a great comparison for his perimeter off the ball game but he does more. He also can play as a primary ballhandler at a very good pace and get to the rim with shifty moves nearly at will despite his slight frame. They call him Baby Livingston in Oakland because of his 6’6 height and ball handling abilities so I guess he shares enough similarities to say he is somewhat of a blend of both players. All I know is Steve Kerr is gonna love integrating him into their position less system.

[D7H7NParticipant]

Watching him from the summer league, looks like he’ll be a great 3-D player. Maybe Danny Green with slightly better handles?

[D7H7NParticipant]

Watching him from the summer league, looks like he’ll be a great 3-D player. Maybe Danny Green with slightly better handles?

[circumlocution75Participant]

 SG’s w/ great height & Length for days…… I also like what Atlanta did trading up & grabbing Prince at #12 & Bembry out of St. Joes 8 spots later……

I know that the 2016 Draft was weak in terms of "Star" Level Talent…… but there was a BUNCH of Good, solid, NBA starters in this Draft.

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 SG’s w/ great height & Length for days…… I also like what Atlanta did trading up & grabbing Prince at #12 & Bembry out of St. Joes 8 spots later……

I know that the 2016 Draft was weak in terms of "Star" Level Talent…… but there was a BUNCH of Good, solid, NBA starters in this Draft.

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 SG’s w/ great height & Length for days…… I also like what Atlanta did trading up & grabbing Prince at #12 & Bembry out of St. Joes 8 spots later……

I know that the 2016 Draft was weak in terms of "Star" Level Talent…… but there was a BUNCH of Good, solid, NBA starters in this Draft.

 

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