[dudo670Participant]

I’ll start with Jayson Tatum and Lauri Markkanen.

Tatum has an incredibly slow first step and overall below average athleticism for a top 5 pick. He was either guarded by smaller guys or guys his size that lacked any quickness. I don’t even think he’s as good as Jabari.

Markkanen getting Dirk comparisons are completely unfair to Dirk, who’s a top 25 or 30 player ever (I’d even argue top 20). They’re 7 feet tall, white, European, and good shooters, and thats about where the conversation ends. Dirk was a much more skilled mid range and post player when he was coming up. I think Markkanen is a taller Ryan Anderson, not even sure he’s more athletic.

I think this draft could produce 3-4 legit all stars similar to the 2011 or 2009 drafts. Not 2003 or 1996 or 1984 level on paper (lacking that undoubted superstar imo), but there are a couple potential perennial all stars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[dmo21Participant]

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/most-overrated-2017-draft-prospects

[dudo670Participant]

 first time on the site in a month or two, didn’t see that

[iguapops420Participant]

 Can’t stand the Ryan Anderson comps for Lauri. The way Lauri comes off of screens,, runs a legit pick and roll and ballhandler and can pull up from midrange looks like a legit SG. I don’t think we’ve seen a pf with his offense since game(patterned after Kobe). 

Anderson before the injuries was actually a pretty aggressive rebounder. Neither will ever be anything more than a statue on d, but at least Lauri has the fluidity to.potentially be a decent team defender.

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Agree that Markennen is overrated. Don’t love his game. Great shooter but not a big fan from what I’ve seen of hte rest of his game. Doesn’t rebound, not a great defender and doesn’t project to be a great defender. He can handle the ball a little bit and he can shoot. He hasn’t shown much ability to pass or make any sort of impact defensively. Nor does he bring much physicality.

If he’s drafted to a team with a big center and guards that board, he might fit. As a Wolves fan, I’m staying away. 

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Lauri will struggle to stay on the floor defensively, He tends to get really lost and tends to turn his back towards the ball a lot which is a huge fundamental no-no. I see him as a pressure release type shooting forward with average to below average defensive potential.. Hes certainly can develop I just dont see any coaches trusting him with major minutes right now due to the fact he will struggle on the Defensive end..

I would agree hes on the overrated side..

Tatum has all the skill in the world to be very very successful, he lacks the confidence id like to see in a potential top 5 pick, but he certainly has top 5 potential. I see a lot of Gordon Hayward in Tatums game. 

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 I like Markkanen. He is one of the talest guys in the draft and he has the sweetest stroke.  Teams will have to gaurd him on the perimeter and at 7ft it won’t be a wing defender.  This spacing will open things up for his teammates and for Markkanen to drive on a mismatch.  Think of what Erson Ilyasova did for the Sixers this year when Embiid was in the game.  Drags a big to the perimeter and opens up the paint.  

Now as far as overratted players go I would list every single Guard in this draft as none of them project to be two way players.  Not saying I wouldnt draft a Gaurd in the top ten but none of these guys should be the top pick.  

 

[BallerScriptParticipant]

 Fultz, Ntilikina and Fox all project to develop into two way players

[HitsterParticipant]

 Jonathan Isaac when he was very high on the draft boards looked a bit overhyped to be but with him around 6th, I’d say that is a fair position for him.

I haven’t seen a lot of Jarrett Allen so I need to investigate him more as he is projected in top 10 but he’s a big body with large wingspan and if he has a decent skillse and upside then teams will like him.

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

was disappointign in March.  He was just a soft player and didn’t play big in big moments.

But I’m fine with that…I think he’ll be drafted to be a freaky long and skilled role player.  Only problem is he is thinner than Ingram and you see what guys like Lebron do to Ingram, a nice little nudge in the chest to get them off you, length only helps so much without strong legs, and I think Ingram has a stronger base and frame than Isaac.

If he impresses in workouts, knock down NBA shots, and can explain what the issue was with that stacked Florida State team, if I trust his mind, I’d take him.  He’s valuable as a shooter and can definitely play in a Spurs/Sixers system.

Agree on Tatum’s slow first step.  Tatum is like Allen Houston, looks amazing, but there’s something slow about him.  He’s a hot cold scorer that doesn’t do much other than score, so when he’s cold, his +/- will hurt teams, a la the tanking Knicks and Carmelo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Jean_31Participant]

 I dont agree with the Isaac is so tiny thing. When I see the thing like he is thinner than Ingram… I wonder if I had see the same Isaac. I know that he is like 6"11 and 215 but i see a frame that could develop very well similar to Anthony Davis was at Kentucky. Im not saying that he will be 6"11 245 like Davis  is now but I think that he can be like 230/235 five easily in 2/3 years that would give a solid frame for a strech 4. With Ingram, with his kind of body… I dont see him being able to put a lot of weight with his legs… But we never now, I may be wrong.

Im just saying that Isaac frame is not a problem and i think that he will be fine in 2/3 years. That said I see him just outside of the top 5… I think that he have a lot of potentiel as a defender

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 Jonathon Isaac was a 6’3 pg in HS as a sophmore grew to what he is now in three years.  He retained a lot of his gaurd skills and has a good handle for someone his size.  I also like how he has a heads up style when handling the ball on the perimeter. As a result he is always looking to make a play, not just slash to the basket.  This aspect of his game reminds me of Paul George.  He can shoot the three, defend the perimeter and protect the paint. He also moves well without the ball and generally plays well attacking the paint and cleaning up the offensive glass.  Kawhi Leonard played PF at SDState and was a terrific all around player who developed into a go to guy.  

I think once the combine talk and interview process gets underway Isaac will be in the discussion for the top overall pick.  He says all the right things and is going to be a good pro.

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Apparently you havent been watching Issac, youre romanticizing his skill set because he grew 7 inches..he’ll be Jerami Grant Type player in the league.. He lacks the basketball IQ not a very smart player

[Sewok15Participant]

Isaac can probably shoot better left handed than Jerami Grant can shoot right handed…he hit 5 times as many 3s as Grant did in half as much time in college….Grant didn’t even hit a 3 his Sophomore year before he declared for the draft. They have the same build but much different games. 

[Robb_CParticipant]

Grant has improved as a shooter, Isaac wont be a high attempt three point shooter in the league, I see him more effective in the mid- range.. Defensively Grant and Isaac bring to the table similiar physical tools that allow them to be effective.. Transition game they both have similar approaches as well.. Some of you guys are projecting Isaac in his best light possible.. The fact of the matter is he has very simplistic approach to the game which will stunt his potential..He still has problems attacking with either hand.. 

We cant consider this kid a legit perimeter threat when he struggles to attack with either hand.. He’s a 4 with no post skills, but has a decent defensive potential.. 

 

[dudo670Participant]

Isaac played for one of the worst X’s and O’s coaches of every team in the tournament. Hamilton doesn’t have a clue how to in game coach. You have to take this into account when watching prospects. Part of the reason why Isaac may look like he has a low BBIQ is because his coach isn’t helping him at all in game. 

[Robb_CParticipant]

I try my hardest to take all things in consideration when evaluating teams and prospects, I understand Leonard isnt exactly the strongest coach.. I was the guy  telling everyone to  fade FSU as a tournament team and accurately rated them a 2 win tournament team..

Isaac and Leonard were a good fit for each other if you get what im saying..

[holefillers1Participant]

Sounds like you hate the first two picks in the draft, Rob.  We will have some fun down the stretch discussing everything.  

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

I don’t agree with Lauri being overrated,not actually making counterargument against his skill set but he has been widely criticized and doubted that I don’t think he is “rated” that much to be overrated. I think he is a safe thing as a good scoring PF, which at 8-10 which is most probably he is gonna get picked up is alright IMO
I kind agree with Isaac, specially if he ended up top 6

[holefillers1Participant]

 I meant to reply to Robb C.. I think he is currently rewatching Isaac’s highlights.

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Funny thing is my opinion on this kid was the same before the season started before any "highlights" or games on this kid were out.. Actually my opinion on majority of the prospects has been the same since before the season.

 

[bdiddy5115Participant]

1. Lonzo Ball: I see the rare vision, ball-moving ability and overall feel for running an offense as a 6’5"-6’6" PG. Those tools are all special. But I feel that his weaknesses are more concerning than the knocks on the other top PGs (Fultz will be fine on D with some coaching, Smith will be more consistent on a stable team, and Fox’s J isn’t broken). Ball’s inability to create/score in the half-court and average handle/lateral quickness will hurt him unless he lands in an ideal situation where his team can hide those faults. 

2. Malik Monk: I’m a fan of his, I just don’t see him being that much more than an elite microwave guy/6MOY candidate. And that’s fine, but I don’t think that type of player is worth a top-8 pick in a class as stacked as this one. 

3. Harry Giles: Was a huge fan of his, but drafting him on his pre-injury game/hype is unwise at this point. Maybe he’ll slowly get some of his old bounce back, but I didn’t see anything at Duke this year to suggest that. 

 

 

[r377Participant]

The obsession a lot of kids have with Jonathon Isaac really baffles me. Taking him 4th or 5th in this strong draft class I think will be a mistake.

[Robb_CParticipant]

I have TJ Leaf ahead of Isaac and it baffles me that people see more value in Isaac. TJ Leaf is legit I could see him moving up very quickly.. He just hits all the marks of a solid pro in the league

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