Overpaid vs. Underpaid comparisons

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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 2:46am #61021

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Running through all the signings so far, it contineously amazes me how some players are grossly overpaid, while other players playing the same position (some filling the exact same role) get significantly less. Here is my list of Overpaid vs. Underpaid players per position. Some players who signed ‘odd’ contracts not according to market value (e.g. James, Duncan, West) are excluded for obvious reasons.
Small Forward
Overpaid: DeMarre Carroll (4 years, $60 million)
Underpaid: Tobias Harris (4 years, $64 million)
At first, Harris and Carroll might not look at lot like each other at all. After all, Carroll was heralded for his defense last year, while Harris has been labeled as potential star for the past two years mainly based on his offense. However, Harris showed last year that he is still growing, as his defense improved drastically, as shown when defending the top wings in the league (e.g. James). On top of this improving defense, he provides teams with the ability to shoot the 3, just like Carroll does, but… Harris also has the upside to become the star many people believe he will become. Harris as go-to-potential as his ceiling, while a big 3-and-D option is his floor. Carroll on the other hand played really well within Atlanta’s system last year, but will become nothing more than a smart defender and a corner 3-point shooter. I really like players like him, but for a fraction of the cost teams could’ve signed someone like McDaniels, who has similar qualitities (defense, 3 pointers) for a fraction of the cost (3 years, $20 million).
Shooting Guard
Overpaid (1): Wes Matthews (4 years, $70 million); Imam Shumpert (4 years, $40 million);
Underpaid (1) : Danny Green (4 years, $45 million); Arron Afflalo (2 years, $16 million)
Part of the ‘Spurs’-effect, Green’s contract is one of the most team-friendly contracts signed this off-season, as he provides defense and shooting at a level better than Matthews for a fraction of the cost. Not only that, but Green will play from day 1, while Matthews is still out with a severe injury from which he will have to fight back. Also Shumpert is a guy who is askd to defend the best wing player (like Green on occasion), but unlike Green Shumpert plays only one side of the ball (defense).
I would like to add Afflalo to this comparison, as he provides good defense and solid offense for a fraction of the cost. Last year he might have had a down year, but he is not that much of a down-grade from a healthy Matthews or Shumpert from a talent-point-of-view, but he comes a lot cheaper to the Knicks. Less upside, but more production for a fraction of the cost.
Overpaid (2): Marco Belinelli (3 years, $19 million); Rodney Stuckey (3 years; 21 million)
Underpaid (2): Lou Williams (3 years, $21 million)
Teams looking for a sparkplug from the bench can’t do much better than the reigning Sixt Man of the Year. Wililiams provides offense in spurts, while also providing the occasional assist. Comparing him to other instant-offense players (Belinelli, Stuckey) Williams’ credentials are a lot better, as he has shown to be able to take over games on offense when needed, something neither Belinelli nor Stuckey will provide. Even though his fit with the Lakers is questionable at best, his team-friendly contract will allow the Lakers to flip him to some contender in need of instant offense.
Power Forward
Overpaid: Kevin Love (5 years, $113 million)
Underpaid: Paul Millsap (3 years, $58 million)
So, you’re looking for a hard-working, slightly undersized PF who can shoot it from the outside? And you don’t want to spend a ton of money? Than Millsap is your guy. Much like Love, Millsap has extended his game out to the three-point line, where he is able to spot-up for corner threes, but is also able to shoot it from the dribble a little bit. Although Love has put up more impressive stats in the past, and has a nice outlet pass, I would much rather have Millsap on my team. Apart from appearing to give more effort than Love, Millsap also provides much better defense than Love, and more versatility on defense as well. Ask yourself: would Atlanta be better with Love or Millsap as their PF? And would Cleveland rather have Millsap or Love? If you uncertain, getting Millsap for half the money Love gets is a steal to me.
Center
Overpaid (1): Omer Asik (5 years, $60 million)
Fairly paid (1): Kosta Koufos (4 years, $33 million)
Looking at Kosta Koufos, I always see a very good defensive back-up C who could thrive in a starting role as a defensive anchor, albeit in limited minutes. That is exactly the path Asik followed, coming from a back-up role in Chicago to being a starter in New Orleans. The only difference is that while Asik shoots below 60% on his FTs, Koufos hits at least 65%, making him less of a liability late in game… that, and the fact that Asik is paid almost twice as much while providing the same on defense makes Asik overpaid, and Koufos fairly paid (or underpaid).
Overpaid (2): Tyson Chandler (4 years, $52 million)
Underpaid (2): Brandan Wright (3 years, $18 million)
Last year, Dallas started the season having Chandler in the starting line-up, and having Chandler-lite (Wright) as his replacement. As a 36-minute stud, Wright was actually well-regarded by many in the league, and seeing him sign for only $6 million a year (again as a back-up) suprised me and some others around the league quite a bit. Especially considering the much older Chandler signed for more than double that per year ($13 million p.y.); is championship experience that much worth? The Suns will regret Chandler’s deal sooner rather than later, as his trademark athleticism is slowly fading away.
Point Guard
Overpaid: Jameer Nelson (3 years, $13.5 million)
Underpaid: Mo Williams (2 years, $2.4 million)
When Nelson opted out of his contract, I hadn’t expected him back, especially since the Nuggets drafted Mudiay. Although he might provide solid advice to the young Mudiay, paying him $4 million per year to do just that while providing not a whole lot on the court seems like a bad investment. Especially considering an (at least) equally productive Williams got half of that money over two years.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 5:37am #1002583

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ummmm…. 19.3 million per year, is not half of 22.6 million per year. It works out to a little more than half for the entire sum (113>58), but locking an all-star level talent in for those extra 2 years is extremely important. Especially because with the cap rising those years will look better and better when the percentage of the cap used on his contract is less, while Millsap may be onto his next deal and looking to cash in.
also, jameer is an excellent locker room guy and may be a great mentor. Denver isnt expecting to be a playoff team for a couple years… they can spend their money on what is essentially a role model for thier new star. it doesnt matter to them.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 5:37am #1002444

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ummmm…. 19.3 million per year, is not half of 22.6 million per year. It works out to a little more than half for the entire sum (113>58), but locking an all-star level talent in for those extra 2 years is extremely important. Especially because with the cap rising those years will look better and better when the percentage of the cap used on his contract is less, while Millsap may be onto his next deal and looking to cash in.
also, jameer is an excellent locker room guy and may be a great mentor. Denver isnt expecting to be a playoff team for a couple years… they can spend their money on what is essentially a role model for thier new star. it doesnt matter to them.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/22/2015 - 8:46pm #1002827
  
  Mr. HookShot
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  Really?!?… No, but I realize that it is not per year, but you invest twice the sum (for 2 more years yes) in a player I believe is not much better. Having more freedom to spend you money on other players when you current ones become old and less effective is a valuable thing to have. The Hawks locked up Millsap for his best years for a reasonable contract.
  Than about Jameer; what is an ‘excellent lock room guy’? I believe in having a winning culture and all, but considering I’ve never shared a locker room with these guys I wouldn’t know. And is having a guy like that really worth over $4 million per year?
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/22/2015 - 8:46pm #1002967
  
  Mr. HookShot
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  Really?!?… No, but I realize that it is not per year, but you invest twice the sum (for 2 more years yes) in a player I believe is not much better. Having more freedom to spend you money on other players when you current ones become old and less effective is a valuable thing to have. The Hawks locked up Millsap for his best years for a reasonable contract.
  Than about Jameer; what is an ‘excellent lock room guy’? I believe in having a winning culture and all, but considering I’ve never shared a locker room with these guys I wouldn’t know. And is having a guy like that really worth over $4 million per year?
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 5:48am #1002585

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You like Danny Green way too much. You say that ‘unlike Green, Shumpert only plays one side of the ball? So Green is the better offensive player than Shump? Cmon. Offense is not only about shooting you know. Shumpert can handle the ball better, can facilitate better and can also shoot threes at and pull-up jumpers at a good level. Green on the other hand, has one distinct role on offense, and that is to shoot. Not much he can do other than that.
And yea Matthews is overpaid but Green provides better shooting and defense than Matthews? If anythig they are similar in those categories. Matthews was hitting more threes than Thompson or Irving before he got hurt. Also, Matthews is an excellent post up player, something Green does not have in his arsenal.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 5:48am #1002446

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You like Danny Green way too much. You say that ‘unlike Green, Shumpert only plays one side of the ball? So Green is the better offensive player than Shump? Cmon. Offense is not only about shooting you know. Shumpert can handle the ball better, can facilitate better and can also shoot threes at and pull-up jumpers at a good level. Green on the other hand, has one distinct role on offense, and that is to shoot. Not much he can do other than that.
And yea Matthews is overpaid but Green provides better shooting and defense than Matthews? If anythig they are similar in those categories. Matthews was hitting more threes than Thompson or Irving before he got hurt. Also, Matthews is an excellent post up player, something Green does not have in his arsenal.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 6:42am #1002599

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After next season there will not be a lot of players who based on what they could be making are overpaid. I think the biggest issues that people dont see is compared to the average person all NBA players are overpaid but like in business, you get what you can negotiate and I respect people getting their their due.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 6:42am #1002459

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After next season there will not be a lot of players who based on what they could be making are overpaid. I think the biggest issues that people dont see is compared to the average person all NBA players are overpaid but like in business, you get what you can negotiate and I respect people getting their their due.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 6:51am #1002605

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Amir Johnson may not have gotten underpaid but I feel he. could’ve gotten a better deal and a better situation. Boston went hard on this deal to force Toronto’s hand and ultimately took Amir from the Atlantic division and rivals.
24-mil over 3-years for the most reliable Raptor. He averaged 10.5, 6.5 and about a block and a steal shooting 67% the last two playoff series. Smart move by the Celtics as now the team they chasing in their division has a huge question mark at PF.

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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 6:51am #1002465

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Amir Johnson may not have gotten underpaid but I feel he. could’ve gotten a better deal and a better situation. Boston went hard on this deal to force Toronto’s hand and ultimately took Amir from the Atlantic division and rivals.
24-mil over 3-years for the most reliable Raptor. He averaged 10.5, 6.5 and about a block and a steal shooting 67% the last two playoff series. Smart move by the Celtics as now the team they chasing in their division has a huge question mark at PF.

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- Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 11:08am #1002629
  
  kingofbums
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  Pretty sure amirs deal is 2yrs 24mill…If anything hes overpaid. Cant be paying a guy 12mill to get 10 and 6
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 11:08am #1002490
  
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  Pretty sure amirs deal is 2yrs 24mill…If anything hes overpaid. Cant be paying a guy 12mill to get 10 and 6
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 7:59am #1002613

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Enes Kanter 4 years 70 Mil overpaid
Reggie Jackson 5 years 80 Mil overpaid
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 7:59am #1002473

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Enes Kanter 4 years 70 Mil overpaid
Reggie Jackson 5 years 80 Mil overpaid
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/22/2015 - 8:51pm #1002829
  
  Mr. HookShot
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  The biggest issue with Kanter’s contract is the fact that I have a hard time to believe other teams would be willing to give him more than $50 million over 4 years. A guy like Monroe (who I like a lot more) gets $51 million over 3 years, which would be the maximum I would have given to Kanter.
  Than about Jackson; he might be overpaid, but the Pistons would’nt let him walk away for nothing. Similar to Kanter however I don’t know which other team would’ve tried to sign him away: maybe the Mavericks could’ve arranged something, or the Knicks but that would’ve been very difficult.
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- Posted on: Wed, 07/22/2015 - 8:51pm #1002969
  
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  The biggest issue with Kanter’s contract is the fact that I have a hard time to believe other teams would be willing to give him more than $50 million over 4 years. A guy like Monroe (who I like a lot more) gets $51 million over 3 years, which would be the maximum I would have given to Kanter.
  Than about Jackson; he might be overpaid, but the Pistons would’nt let him walk away for nothing. Similar to Kanter however I don’t know which other team would’ve tried to sign him away: maybe the Mavericks could’ve arranged something, or the Knicks but that would’ve been very difficult.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 2:29pm #1002508

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cant wait until the wizards play detroit next season….wall said he felt jackson was overpaid..and didnt deserve to be making more than him…
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 2:29pm #1002648

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cant wait until the wizards play detroit next season….wall said he felt jackson was overpaid..and didnt deserve to be making more than him…
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 4:41pm #1002542

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John Wall forgot to mention how does he feel about being paid almost four million dollars more than the MVP…
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Posted on: Tue, 07/21/2015 - 4:41pm #1002682

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John Wall forgot to mention how does he feel about being paid almost four million dollars more than the MVP…
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