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  • #23276
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    Anton123
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    Two straight years Oklahoma gave away two picks: Rodrigue Beaubois and Eric Bledsoe for BJ Mullens (who has yet to prove he’s worthy of being an NBA player) and a future first-round pick (for which year is that BTW?)

    I don’t mean to say that OKC has been doing a bad job in the draft, they’ve been great and I know that the Thunder don’t really need a PG, but both of those players are really solid. I think they should’ve at least let them play for their team, then if they had proved to be good, they could’ve traded them for something valuble. So far both of these guys have looked better than the Thunder back up PG – Eric Maynor.

    I don’t mean to say that the Thunder effed up, but why can’t they at least try the players out? Both were traded on draft day

     

     

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    I do remember they had the rights to Bledsoe, didn’t even think about Roddy Buckets. Maynor to me is a good back-up PG, so they I guess did not "need" any of the two aforementioned players, but I think it goes to show that they have yet to show they are a perfect team as far as administration. Right now, there future is incredibly bright, ESPN even had that thing about teams futures and I think they were number 1 or 2 if I recall, but they still have a ways to go as I have said. Right now their cap situation is not horrible, and they are not a team full of bad contracts. I think it was honestly a smart move not to re-up Jeff Green, because I have constantly questioned his future with the team. I have already started to see some saying that Serge Ibaka should be the teams PF and to bring Green off of the bench, which I do not think Green would more than likely accept as that will hurt his monetary value. I still feel like the Green trade was not as brilliant as everyone made it out to be, mainly because of picking Green at 5.

    Right now, Jeff Green is actually the second highest career scorer in that draft, right behind Durant. But it is so clear that he is not close to the level of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook in what I have heard commentators refer to as "The Thunder’s Big 3". If Chris Bosh gets mocked for not carrying his weight, than Jeff Green as a PF, which is a position he should not be playing, is even more laughable in talks of a "Big 3". When the Thunder (at the time Sonics) made the trade, I was surprised they took Green instead of a big guy to put next to Kevin Durant, I thought Noah would have been a good direction for them. I thought Green and Durant were too similar, and I never had faith in the one as SG one as SF thing they pulled early on, and less in moving Green to the 4. They need to develop some sort of post presence in my opinion, or I find it hard to see them as a contender. Even if you point to the old Bulls or Pistons championship teams, those two teams were great rebounding teams, and you can not name me a Jeff Green type player playing PF for them. They have been running really well, but to me the problem inside persists. I know they lead the NBA in blocking shots, but to me I still feel like no one is afraid of going at the Thunder inside as long as Ibaka remains a bench player and Krstic remains at Center.

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  • #437738
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    I do remember they had the rights to Bledsoe, didn’t even think about Roddy Buckets. Maynor to me is a good back-up PG, so they I guess did not "need" any of the two aforementioned players, but I think it goes to show that they have yet to show they are a perfect team as far as administration. Right now, there future is incredibly bright, ESPN even had that thing about teams futures and I think they were number 1 or 2 if I recall, but they still have a ways to go as I have said. Right now their cap situation is not horrible, and they are not a team full of bad contracts. I think it was honestly a smart move not to re-up Jeff Green, because I have constantly questioned his future with the team. I have already started to see some saying that Serge Ibaka should be the teams PF and to bring Green off of the bench, which I do not think Green would more than likely accept as that will hurt his monetary value. I still feel like the Green trade was not as brilliant as everyone made it out to be, mainly because of picking Green at 5.

    Right now, Jeff Green is actually the second highest career scorer in that draft, right behind Durant. But it is so clear that he is not close to the level of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook in what I have heard commentators refer to as "The Thunder’s Big 3". If Chris Bosh gets mocked for not carrying his weight, than Jeff Green as a PF, which is a position he should not be playing, is even more laughable in talks of a "Big 3". When the Thunder (at the time Sonics) made the trade, I was surprised they took Green instead of a big guy to put next to Kevin Durant, I thought Noah would have been a good direction for them. I thought Green and Durant were too similar, and I never had faith in the one as SG one as SF thing they pulled early on, and less in moving Green to the 4. They need to develop some sort of post presence in my opinion, or I find it hard to see them as a contender. Even if you point to the old Bulls or Pistons championship teams, those two teams were great rebounding teams, and you can not name me a Jeff Green type player playing PF for them. They have been running really well, but to me the problem inside persists. I know they lead the NBA in blocking shots, but to me I still feel like no one is afraid of going at the Thunder inside as long as Ibaka remains a bench player and Krstic remains at Center.

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  • #437754
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    mikeyvthedon
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    I do remember they had the rights to Bledsoe, didn’t even think about Roddy Buckets. Maynor to me is a good back-up PG, so they I guess did not "need" any of the two aforementioned players, but I think it goes to show that they have yet to show they are a perfect team as far as administration. Right now, there future is incredibly bright, ESPN even had that thing about teams futures and I think they were number 1 or 2 if I recall, but they still have a ways to go as I have said. Right now their cap situation is not horrible, and they are not a team full of bad contracts. I think it was honestly a smart move not to re-up Jeff Green, because I have constantly questioned his future with the team. I have already started to see some saying that Serge Ibaka should be the teams PF and to bring Green off of the bench, which I do not think Green would more than likely accept as that will hurt his monetary value. I still feel like the Green trade was not as brilliant as everyone made it out to be, mainly because of picking Green at 5.

    Right now, Jeff Green is actually the second highest career scorer in that draft, right behind Durant. But it is so clear that he is not close to the level of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook in what I have heard commentators refer to as "The Thunder’s Big 3". If Chris Bosh gets mocked for not carrying his weight, than Jeff Green as a PF, which is a position he should not be playing, is even more laughable in talks of a "Big 3". When the Thunder (at the time Sonics) made the trade, I was surprised they took Green instead of a big guy to put next to Kevin Durant, I thought Noah would have been a good direction for them. I thought Green and Durant were too similar, and I never had faith in the one as SG one as SF thing they pulled early on, and less in moving Green to the 4. They need to develop some sort of post presence in my opinion, or I find it hard to see them as a contender. Even if you point to the old Bulls or Pistons championship teams, those two teams were great rebounding teams, and you can not name me a Jeff Green type player playing PF for them. They have been running really well, but to me the problem inside persists. I know they lead the NBA in blocking shots, but to me I still feel like no one is afraid of going at the Thunder inside as long as Ibaka remains a bench player and Krstic remains at Center.

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  • #437762
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    esperanzafleet69
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    possibly beaubois has looked better than maynor, but bledsoe is doing a fair job while getting a LARGE amount of minutes…  and in fact… maynor has better per minute stats than bledsoe…

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  • #437778
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    esperanzafleet69
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    possibly beaubois has looked better than maynor, but bledsoe is doing a fair job while getting a LARGE amount of minutes…  and in fact… maynor has better per minute stats than bledsoe…

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  • #437805
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    esperanzafleet69
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    possibly beaubois has looked better than maynor, but bledsoe is doing a fair job while getting a LARGE amount of minutes…  and in fact… maynor has better per minute stats than bledsoe…

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  • #437786
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Why would they want either?  They already have Russell Westbrook.  And BJ Mullens was supposed to be a servicable big, he was the best player in the country in high school, he just couldn’t make the jump to the NBA level.

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  • #437803
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Why would they want either?  They already have Russell Westbrook.  And BJ Mullens was supposed to be a servicable big, he was the best player in the country in high school, he just couldn’t make the jump to the NBA level.

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  • #437829
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Why would they want either?  They already have Russell Westbrook.  And BJ Mullens was supposed to be a servicable big, he was the best player in the country in high school, he just couldn’t make the jump to the NBA level.

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  • #437792
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    Anton123
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     Yeah, but Bledsoe is younger and has been around for just a month, while I don’t see just as much potential in Maynor, of course I hate to use the dangerous P word but still. I don’t see Maynor becoming any better than a medium level back-up PG. While Bledsoe can go on to become a good, quality starter.

    Tongue-Out-Like-23

    I didn’t say they needed either, I was just saying, they could’ve made more out of them, than just trading them away on draft day. Roddie would be great coming off the bench to provide a offensive spark on either of the guard positions. Maybe even better than Harden

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  • #437809
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    Anton123
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     Yeah, but Bledsoe is younger and has been around for just a month, while I don’t see just as much potential in Maynor, of course I hate to use the dangerous P word but still. I don’t see Maynor becoming any better than a medium level back-up PG. While Bledsoe can go on to become a good, quality starter.

    Tongue-Out-Like-23

    I didn’t say they needed either, I was just saying, they could’ve made more out of them, than just trading them away on draft day. Roddie would be great coming off the bench to provide a offensive spark on either of the guard positions. Maybe even better than Harden

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  • #437835
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    Anton123
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     Yeah, but Bledsoe is younger and has been around for just a month, while I don’t see just as much potential in Maynor, of course I hate to use the dangerous P word but still. I don’t see Maynor becoming any better than a medium level back-up PG. While Bledsoe can go on to become a good, quality starter.

    Tongue-Out-Like-23

    I didn’t say they needed either, I was just saying, they could’ve made more out of them, than just trading them away on draft day. Roddie would be great coming off the bench to provide a offensive spark on either of the guard positions. Maybe even better than Harden

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  • #437804
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    fastdan
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    Both Roddy and Bledsoe came into the draft with very raw PG skills and both were given the lable  ‘tweener’ because of it. You forget that Maynor is polished and experienced after being an absolute stud in college. Maybe in the future those other guys will be better, but theres no way anyone should be saying that thoughs guys are more capable of running the point in the NBA right now. Bledsoe may be putting up decent stats but it’s a product of his minutes. And his team is losing.

    If Westbrook went down for significant time, I would fully expect Maynor to step up the way Collison did for Paul last year, and people would be able to see that this guy can ball.

    BJ Mullens is still vey young and has showed tons of improvment since his year at OSU. There’s no reason to count him out yet at all. And OKC needed a C, so he was an excellent choice, especially since he was projected to go much earlier.

    They also got a top10 protected pick from the Clippers. So they have a chance to land a late lottery player in the next couple years. Which would you rather have; a third string pg, or a better prospect at a position that you can use him at?

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  • #437819
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    fastdan
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    Both Roddy and Bledsoe came into the draft with very raw PG skills and both were given the lable  ‘tweener’ because of it. You forget that Maynor is polished and experienced after being an absolute stud in college. Maybe in the future those other guys will be better, but theres no way anyone should be saying that thoughs guys are more capable of running the point in the NBA right now. Bledsoe may be putting up decent stats but it’s a product of his minutes. And his team is losing.

    If Westbrook went down for significant time, I would fully expect Maynor to step up the way Collison did for Paul last year, and people would be able to see that this guy can ball.

    BJ Mullens is still vey young and has showed tons of improvment since his year at OSU. There’s no reason to count him out yet at all. And OKC needed a C, so he was an excellent choice, especially since he was projected to go much earlier.

    They also got a top10 protected pick from the Clippers. So they have a chance to land a late lottery player in the next couple years. Which would you rather have; a third string pg, or a better prospect at a position that you can use him at?

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  • #437847
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    fastdan
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    Both Roddy and Bledsoe came into the draft with very raw PG skills and both were given the lable  ‘tweener’ because of it. You forget that Maynor is polished and experienced after being an absolute stud in college. Maybe in the future those other guys will be better, but theres no way anyone should be saying that thoughs guys are more capable of running the point in the NBA right now. Bledsoe may be putting up decent stats but it’s a product of his minutes. And his team is losing.

    If Westbrook went down for significant time, I would fully expect Maynor to step up the way Collison did for Paul last year, and people would be able to see that this guy can ball.

    BJ Mullens is still vey young and has showed tons of improvment since his year at OSU. There’s no reason to count him out yet at all. And OKC needed a C, so he was an excellent choice, especially since he was projected to go much earlier.

    They also got a top10 protected pick from the Clippers. So they have a chance to land a late lottery player in the next couple years. Which would you rather have; a third string pg, or a better prospect at a position that you can use him at?

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  • #437813
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    They don’t need Maynor to be a HIGH LEVEL backup, as medium level back up is good enough, especially when Westbrook is becoming a star this quickly.  Which star point guard has a high level backup anyway?

     

    Plus, having Roddy as a backup, he would simply be a defensive liability.  Yeah he’s instant offense, but he’s also instant offense for the guys he’s guarding.  As for Eric Bledsoe, why would they need him when they already had Maynor and Westbrook, why waste a draft pick on his when you have a glaring hole at center?  This isn’t Minnesota, they don’t draft every point guard they are able to draft.

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  • #437830
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    They don’t need Maynor to be a HIGH LEVEL backup, as medium level back up is good enough, especially when Westbrook is becoming a star this quickly.  Which star point guard has a high level backup anyway?

     

    Plus, having Roddy as a backup, he would simply be a defensive liability.  Yeah he’s instant offense, but he’s also instant offense for the guys he’s guarding.  As for Eric Bledsoe, why would they need him when they already had Maynor and Westbrook, why waste a draft pick on his when you have a glaring hole at center?  This isn’t Minnesota, they don’t draft every point guard they are able to draft.

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  • #437855
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    They don’t need Maynor to be a HIGH LEVEL backup, as medium level back up is good enough, especially when Westbrook is becoming a star this quickly.  Which star point guard has a high level backup anyway?

     

    Plus, having Roddy as a backup, he would simply be a defensive liability.  Yeah he’s instant offense, but he’s also instant offense for the guys he’s guarding.  As for Eric Bledsoe, why would they need him when they already had Maynor and Westbrook, why waste a draft pick on his when you have a glaring hole at center?  This isn’t Minnesota, they don’t draft every point guard they are able to draft.

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  • #437824
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    td8118
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    the real issue is whether they should have drafted Steph Curry 3 overall instead of Harden…he would have fit in well with their team

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  • #437839
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    td8118
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    the real issue is whether they should have drafted Steph Curry 3 overall instead of Harden…he would have fit in well with their team

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  • #437864
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    td8118
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    the real issue is whether they should have drafted Steph Curry 3 overall instead of Harden…he would have fit in well with their team

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  • #437834
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    How would have Stephen Curry fit better than Harden?  Stephen Curry is a point guard as well, they DO NOT NEED another point guard.

    And if you try to play him at SG, a 6’2 180lbs SG is not going to fare well in the league.

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  • #437851
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    How would have Stephen Curry fit better than Harden?  Stephen Curry is a point guard as well, they DO NOT NEED another point guard.

    And if you try to play him at SG, a 6’2 180lbs SG is not going to fare well in the league.

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  • #437875
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    How would have Stephen Curry fit better than Harden?  Stephen Curry is a point guard as well, they DO NOT NEED another point guard.

    And if you try to play him at SG, a 6’2 180lbs SG is not going to fare well in the league.

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  • #437843
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    khaled_a_d
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     @ Tongue-Out-Like-23,actually Roddy isn’t bad defending other teams PGs,actually most of us Mavs fans think he is the best defender on the team to put against other teams PGs since Kidd is slow and is used defending SGs,also Roddy has a lot of potential to improve at this area with his speed and long arms(he has 6’10 wingspan)

     

    that Said OKC haven’t passed on Roddy,the Mavs had higher pick,they just forced OKC to trade with the themto get the player they wanted (BJ) but if the Mavs wasn’t sure that OKC was gonna do this trade they were going to draft Roddy anyway 

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  • #437861
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    khaled_a_d
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     @ Tongue-Out-Like-23,actually Roddy isn’t bad defending other teams PGs,actually most of us Mavs fans think he is the best defender on the team to put against other teams PGs since Kidd is slow and is used defending SGs,also Roddy has a lot of potential to improve at this area with his speed and long arms(he has 6’10 wingspan)

     

    that Said OKC haven’t passed on Roddy,the Mavs had higher pick,they just forced OKC to trade with the themto get the player they wanted (BJ) but if the Mavs wasn’t sure that OKC was gonna do this trade they were going to draft Roddy anyway 

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  • #437884
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    khaled_a_d
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     @ Tongue-Out-Like-23,actually Roddy isn’t bad defending other teams PGs,actually most of us Mavs fans think he is the best defender on the team to put against other teams PGs since Kidd is slow and is used defending SGs,also Roddy has a lot of potential to improve at this area with his speed and long arms(he has 6’10 wingspan)

     

    that Said OKC haven’t passed on Roddy,the Mavs had higher pick,they just forced OKC to trade with the themto get the player they wanted (BJ) but if the Mavs wasn’t sure that OKC was gonna do this trade they were going to draft Roddy anyway 

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  • #437849
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    mgreener_34
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     I agree the real miss was drafting Harden with the third pick. Curry, would have been perfect because they would have had Thabo start, and then have Curry run the point and score in bunches off the bench. Fix two problems right there. Also who says they would have drafted a pg? If anything they should have drafted Blair instead of Roddy/BJ

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  • #437868
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    mgreener_34
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     I agree the real miss was drafting Harden with the third pick. Curry, would have been perfect because they would have had Thabo start, and then have Curry run the point and score in bunches off the bench. Fix two problems right there. Also who says they would have drafted a pg? If anything they should have drafted Blair instead of Roddy/BJ

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  • #437890
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    mgreener_34
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     I agree the real miss was drafting Harden with the third pick. Curry, would have been perfect because they would have had Thabo start, and then have Curry run the point and score in bunches off the bench. Fix two problems right there. Also who says they would have drafted a pg? If anything they should have drafted Blair instead of Roddy/BJ

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  • #438713
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    fastdan
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    Commenting on them passing on Blair is kind of stupid considering like 15 other teams passed on him.

    You guys can bring up them taking Harden over Curry, but NO ONE thought Curry was a better prospect then Harden at the time of the draft.

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  • #438733
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    fastdan
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    Commenting on them passing on Blair is kind of stupid considering like 15 other teams passed on him.

    You guys can bring up them taking Harden over Curry, but NO ONE thought Curry was a better prospect then Harden at the time of the draft.

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  • #438744
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    fastdan
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    Commenting on them passing on Blair is kind of stupid considering like 15 other teams passed on him.

    You guys can bring up them taking Harden over Curry, but NO ONE thought Curry was a better prospect then Harden at the time of the draft.

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  • #438722
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    So you’re telling me that Russell Westbrook, (23ppg, 8apg, 6rpg, 2spg and a defensive monster) would be better served on the bench behind Stephen Curry… Wow, you guys know NOTHING about basketball.

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    • #438967
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      ItsVictorOladipo
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      So you’re telling me that Russell Westbrook, (23ppg, 8apg, 6rpg, 2spg and a defensive monster) would be better served on the bench behind Stephen Curry… Wow, you guys know NOTHING about basketball.

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      No he was telling you that Curry would be great coming off the bench behind both Westbrook and Thabo…you must’ve misunderstood his post. He would probably have a similiar impact to Jason Terry in Dallas.

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    • #438987
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      ItsVictorOladipo
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      So you’re telling me that Russell Westbrook, (23ppg, 8apg, 6rpg, 2spg and a defensive monster) would be better served on the bench behind Stephen Curry… Wow, you guys know NOTHING about basketball.

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      No he was telling you that Curry would be great coming off the bench behind both Westbrook and Thabo…you must’ve misunderstood his post. He would probably have a similiar impact to Jason Terry in Dallas.

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    • #439001
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      ItsVictorOladipo
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      So you’re telling me that Russell Westbrook, (23ppg, 8apg, 6rpg, 2spg and a defensive monster) would be better served on the bench behind Stephen Curry… Wow, you guys know NOTHING about basketball.

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      No he was telling you that Curry would be great coming off the bench behind both Westbrook and Thabo…you must’ve misunderstood his post. He would probably have a similiar impact to Jason Terry in Dallas.

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  • #438742
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    So you’re telling me that Russell Westbrook, (23ppg, 8apg, 6rpg, 2spg and a defensive monster) would be better served on the bench behind Stephen Curry… Wow, you guys know NOTHING about basketball.

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  • #438753
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    So you’re telling me that Russell Westbrook, (23ppg, 8apg, 6rpg, 2spg and a defensive monster) would be better served on the bench behind Stephen Curry… Wow, you guys know NOTHING about basketball.

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  • #438734
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    omphalos
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    Every team drops the ball once in a while, and while Harden might be taking a bit longer to develop, he is still playing well off the bench. Bledsoe and Roddy would both have been poor choices for the Thunder; Westbrook is athletic and young enough to play big minutes.

    When you consider their overall front office success; Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, trading for Maynor and signing Thabo, they have a very solid team in the works and these two "misses" aren’t even worth mentioning. Whilst Green is holding them back somewhat, if they can trade him for a better C than what they have available then it’ll be all gravy because Ibaka is a great PF defensively and hustles offensively.

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  • #438754
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    omphalos
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    Every team drops the ball once in a while, and while Harden might be taking a bit longer to develop, he is still playing well off the bench. Bledsoe and Roddy would both have been poor choices for the Thunder; Westbrook is athletic and young enough to play big minutes.

    When you consider their overall front office success; Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, trading for Maynor and signing Thabo, they have a very solid team in the works and these two "misses" aren’t even worth mentioning. Whilst Green is holding them back somewhat, if they can trade him for a better C than what they have available then it’ll be all gravy because Ibaka is a great PF defensively and hustles offensively.

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  • #438765
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    omphalos
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    Every team drops the ball once in a while, and while Harden might be taking a bit longer to develop, he is still playing well off the bench. Bledsoe and Roddy would both have been poor choices for the Thunder; Westbrook is athletic and young enough to play big minutes.

    When you consider their overall front office success; Westbrook, Durant, Ibaka, trading for Maynor and signing Thabo, they have a very solid team in the works and these two "misses" aren’t even worth mentioning. Whilst Green is holding them back somewhat, if they can trade him for a better C than what they have available then it’ll be all gravy because Ibaka is a great PF defensively and hustles offensively.

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