[gatorheelsParticipant]

Wizard DeShawn Stevenson, as quoted by the Washington Post’s Michael Lee: “I’ve been on this team four years — it depends on Gilbert Arenas. We can make as many trades as we want to. When he’s healthy and he’s playing, we’re a dangerous team. When we don’t have him, it makes it harder to move the ball; it’s hard to get things easy. That’s my point of view. If Gilbert is 70 percent, we’re going win a lot of games. If Gilbert is 80 percent, we’re going to be No. 1 in the East. If he’s 100 percent, we might win a championship.”

Yi Jianlian putting up big numbers in international play.

The New York Knicks claimed former Los Angeles Clipper Jason Williams(notes) off of waivers and can negotiate a new deal with him until Thursday but the word is that the Knicks will then try to trade the point guard elsewhere, according to CBSSports.com
But who will take Williams that wasn’t jumping at the chance when New York took him off the waiver wire? Nobody seems to know but the Knicks must have somebody in mind. At least one hopes so.

The Latest: Free agency is really slowing down and while there are some named players still talking. Most of the action this week has involved the second and third tier free agents. Ryan Hollins and Shelden Williams both agreed to deals yesterday and if those two players don’t embody second and third tier not sure who does. Today we’ll run through the latest news and notes on the key free agents left on the board and where things stand with those players.

David Lee: It’s starting to look like David Lee won’t get his big payday, and sources close to the situation say he is crushed by how the market has treated him. His agent Mark Bartelstein has a small handful of teams that would gladly pay David the $10 million per season he’s seeking, but it would require a sign-and-trade and the Knicks just won’t take on the salary.
The Knicks are rumored to have a $7 million one-year offer on the table and it looks like that may be the best deal David’s camp gets. There is hope that either Memphis or Oklahoma City will do David a favor and make an offer at least putting New York on the clock to match, but neither team seems overly interested in Lee’s services, leaving him as one of the biggest names left in limbo. The smart money says he’ll take the Knicks one-year offer and hit unrestricted free agency again next summer when he’ll be free to talk to any team he chooses and the Knicks may be more open to a longer term deal once they know where things stand in 2010.

Ramon Sessions: Ramon Sessions on the other hand may get his long-term deal. The Knicks and Sessions have been exchanging “proposals” and could get an offer sheet signed this week. Word is the deal will not be for the full median exception, rather a deal starting around $4.5 million. The Milwaukee Bucks retain the right to match any offers Sessions receives and the Bucks are playing their intentions pretty close to the vest. The belief is the Bucks will not match an offer over $4 million as that would put them into the NBA Luxury Tax, however the Bucks are not handcuffed by the Tax until the trade deadline, so matching Sessions is not out of the question because of the Tax today. The L.A. Clippers were rumored to be in the mix and sources close to the situation say the Clippers interest is not that high and that Sessions’ camp is likely leveraging talks with the Clippers to get Ramon the best deal possible.

Glen Davis: It seemed like Glen “Big Baby” Davis was headed towards a deal with the New Jersey Nets either as a free agent signing or in a sign and trade deal and now things have gone quiet. Sources close to the situation say the Celtics are not closed to matching an offer for Big Baby; it’s all about the dollars. A deal in the $3 to $4 million range is likely getting matched according to Celtic sources, a deal north of $5 million may not. The Celtics are rumored to have a four-year, $10 million offer on the table. The trick for Davis’ camp is to find someone willing to invest more than that into Davis and there appears to be a limited market for him. The Celtics have a $1 million Qualifying Offer out to Davis, so it’s not like he’ll be without a job, but like most restricted free agents his camp is finding the market extremely tough to get a deal.

Raymond Felton: Add Felton to the list of frustrated restricted free agents. Talks with the Charlotte Bobcats have come to a screeching halt. The talks were labeled as being at a “stalemate” by Bobcats’ GM Rod Higgins, a statement Felton’s agent Kevin Bradbury said implied the game was over, being clear that it was not. Felton is the lone restricted free agent with a sizable Qualifying Offer ($5.5 million) and his camp is looking for a deal in the neighborhoods established by Mike Bibby, Jason Kidd and Andre Miller – $6.5 million per season. The Bobcats just don’t seem open to that kind of number long-term. If Ramon Sessions inks an offer sheet in the $4 million range that may help Charlotte’s bargaining position but as things begin to slow down it does look like Felton will be in Charlotte next year, he just may not get a new contract this summer making him an unrestricted free agent next summer.

Nate Robinson: The New York Knicks are playing an interesting game of chicken with Nate Robinson. The word is that Nate has a one-year, $5 million offer on the table and has not accepted it. The Knicks this week picked up Jason Williams off of waivers from the Clippers, giving them until Thursday to ink a deal with the 33-year old point guard who will work out for the team today. If the Knicks and Williams can reach a deal, Robinson’s $5 million may disappear. Robinson flirted with the Sacramento Kings and the Golden State Warriors, but neither were willing to go long term for Robinson. The Orlando Magic got the sales pitch from Robinson’s agent Aaron Goodwin, but the Magic opted for Matt Barnes. Robinson received a two-year, $10 million offer from Olympiacos in Greece but turned that deal down. The Knicks Qualifying Offer is $2.9 million for next season, so it’s not like Nate is out of a job next season, he too may have to warm up to the idea that his payday is 11 months away.

Allen Iverson: The best financial deal on the table for the former MVP is a Greek offer from Olympiacos said to be worth $10 million for two seasons. Iverson is said to be considering the deal, but league sources said it’s far more likely Iverson picks Miami or Memphis before updating his passport. Several teams have talked with Iverson and sources close to his situation say it’s not about lack of interest, its finding the right situation. The Greek offer appeals to a wide range of areas for Iverson the business man; his star power would clearly change the perception of Olympiacos on the International stage and his marketing partners – namely Reebok – would love the exposure. It is not a stretch to think Iverson gives Olympiacos more than reasonable consideration, but sources say his heart is still in the NBA and finding the right NBA team is the goal.

Linas Kleiza: Linas wants to stay in the NBA, but the offers just are not there. The Nuggets have a $2.7 million Qualifying Offer out to Linas and will bring him back in a second at that price, much more than that has them thinking twice. The Pistons and the Raptors are both talking to Klezia and they may make an offer in the coming days. Olympiacos is also after Kleiza, and could be offering substantially more money, however Kleiza is not sold that’s the best move. His camp is waiting out the market and if previous seasons are any indication in late August some teams will start making offers hoping to catch a quality guy at a discount.

Joe Smith: With Marvin Williams out of the way it seemed the Joe Smith and the Atlanta Hawks were going to reach a deal and then things went quiet. Smith is considering several options with the Hawks and Cavaliers being the prime suitors for his services next season. Sources close to the situation say that Smith’s camp is looking for a two-year deal and dollars are not as important as years in this equation. There is little doubt Smith is no longer the player drafted #1 overall in 1995, however he still brings a lot of leadership and toughness to the table which is why teams are looking seriously at him as a veteran addition.

Von Wafer—Unrestricted Free Agent
Wafer can put the ball on the floor to create his own shot and can plug his open jumpers. Any team looking to bolster its bench offense can use Wafer. He’d be an auto-upgrade over Sasha Vujacic in Los Angeles, and would bring valuable offense back to Houston. Miami and Philadelphia would be his next best options.

-The Orlando Magic will trade Marcin Gortat after December 15th
After the Magic surprisingly matched the Mavericks five-year $34 million offer to the polish Marcin Gortat, Magic fans immediately knew that GM Otis Smith was up to something, once again. Gortat will once again back-up the best center in the game today and his MPG will obviously remain at a minimum. With such an inflated contract and teams in desperate need of a starting center (Houston Rockets, Oklahoma City Thunder, Dallas Mavericks, Miami Heat, New York Knicks), Orlando will have no problem dealing Gortat away after December 15th (when Gortat is able to depart with the Magic) and trading up for an All-Star (with their $8 million trade exception).

I just copy & pasted this…pretty interesting stuff

[Knicksboy34Participant]

With all the Guys the Knicks are looking at, we will be doing some trades and picking up a 1st rounder in 2010

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

Kleiza Will give The raptors A Crazy Bench….maybe one of the best in the league

[FutureoftheGame]

Does anyone see JWilliams going back to the Heat for a year or two?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

No, He’s going to NY.

[FutureoftheGame]

You think he is really going to play for them? D’Antoni prolly dont even want him. He is old and probably looking for a long contract, which in NY is a no no, and wanting to start, which prolly wont happen there.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

J-Williams is looking to come back into the NBA, on one article I was reading, the Knicks will sign him to a good deal and will most likely trade him.

The Knicks (if adding Sessions and Williams), will be making a whole bunch of trade deals.

If I was the Heat, why would I add J-Will for 2 years when your the front runner from A.I?

[McWinningParticipant]

i could see the Knicks doing a midseason trade with Williams for an expiring contract. i think Gortat should be traded to the Thunder. he reminds me of Joel Pryzbilla and i think hed be a good fit there.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Gortat will be dealt to Houston most likely, that’s the only reason they match the offer.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

Houston needs help at center now. We can’t wait until December 15th

[trojans13Participant]

let me start by saying david lee is probably my favorite player in the league BUT, this guy might be the toughest player to put a price tag in the league. his numbers are hugely inflated by the system he plays in because there are so many more possessions in knicks games than most others plus he’s the only capable of grabbing a rebound on that team. IMO, he is a big contract guy on a bad team or slightly above the midlevel for a really good team possibly as a 6th man. such a tough guy to to put the right price tag on in my opinion. thoughts?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

What C is out there? Eddy Curry? Robert Swift?

They can wait, there gonna run a small lineup and by the 15th make a deal.

[FutureoftheGame]

Well because Williams is going to run an offence while Iverson is just going to take Wades shots. Im not an Iverson fan because every team he goes to is very subar unless he is the man. And that was 5 years ago.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

Haha I know there is pretty slim options out there, I’m just saying they really need a center now. If their season starts out rough they might not want to wait until december for a center, they might just take what they can get through a trade earlier.

[McWinningParticipant]

Robert Swift was signed by the Celtics. and im looking long term here i think if Gortot goes to the Thuder hell be there center of the future and fit his role. but if he goes to the Rockets he might only start for one year.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Listen, the Knicks will give him a nice deal. Not a big deal but maybe Vet’s minimum and plus the Heat wasn’t that interested in him since they didn’t try to win him on Waivers.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I hope they rush for a C because we can give them Curry and slip another player there way and get more cap space.

Doesn’t matter. Gortat is not a C of the future, he is a backup at best so starting 1 season would be good for him.

[FutureoftheGame]

The Heat are interested in a vetran PG. Williams helped them win a champinship and knows how to play with D-Wade. Just because they didnt try to get his waiver doesnt mean they arent interested. Im not saying they are getting him, but if they were interested in Tinsley, they are in Williams.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

I think the Rockets would make a move for Dalembert over Curry, maybe even go for someone like Dampier as a band-aid for a year.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

But as of right now, why wait to get D-Will when you can get Tinsley?

[McWinningParticipant]

he fits the Thunders role better. i think of him as a center who can strt and be the 5 or 6th option on offence. hed be the 5th option behind Durant, Green, Westbrook, and Harden. all hell need to do is put up 5-10 points a night and rebound and play good D which is what hes best at.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Noone is taking Dalembert’s contract and Dampier is a good idea but to do that you may have to give up a couple of good pieces for a 1 year fix.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

I think it would take Landry and a borderline rotation player with some cash as well. I honestly don’t know who they could give up though. They have good players but they all have small contracts. I think the Mavs would ask for either Shane or Ariza and I would be reluctant to do it.

[FutureoftheGame]

Because Will knows where to put the ball. If I remeber Tisley (he hasnt played in like 2 years or somthin) he is a pretty shot happy PG. The plan in Miami is to develop Beasley more, Give Wade the ball, let Cook shoot every now and then. There arent many shots avaliable in Miami and Tinsley wont be down for that.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I’m not trading Ariza, he will have a breakout season this year

Dampier is making 12 mil next season, to make a move

Battier has to be in the deal for at least his 6 mil then here are the other players that might be in the deal

Lowry, Brooks, Landry and Dorsey (everyone else is bad). none of those guys make over 4 mil so you may have to send 2 of those guys with Battier to add Dampier

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Both J-Will and Tinsley missed a season and Williams is older….so what are you talking about?

[ckowalskiParticipant]

Hayes, Cook, and Battier might work. I thought Dampier’s contract was expiring next year but he still has 2 years left. And if we’re giving up Battier I think we can dump a crappy player off on the Mavs (I would try to put Brian Cook in the deal somehow). Plus we are taking Dampier’s ridiculous contract off their books, it’s the least they can do.

[FutureoftheGame]

I just said that Tinsley will jack up lots of shots and JWill wont. That was the whole point of the post. What are you talking about?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Come on now, Dallas will not take that deal. Dampier is a exp contract you would have to have a better deal then 3 PF’s for Dampier. (The last year is not guaranteed)

The deal would have to be like Dampier & Cash for Battier, Landry, Buddinger and Lowry.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

OK, Let’s look at both of these guys last season

Tinsley- 11.9ppg- 3.6rpg and 8.4apg Age-27
Williams- 8.8ppg, 2rpg and 4.6apg Age-33

Why would I add Williams? I would rather add Tinsley and put him on the bench over Williams. Tinsley can be your scoring point off the bench and Williams is older, his game was decreasing…dont even touch him.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

Cook and Hayes are both expiring and Battier is a better player IMO than Dampier. Hayes played center for Houston last year as well. And since Dallas is looking to play with Dirk at center some of the time this year I don’t think it’s that big of a loss if they don’t have a true center. Idk how many player Dallas has under contract either, if you trade them too many players they are going to have to drop some of them.

[McWinningParticipant]

williams is a much easier player to coach and brings better defense and intangibles. hes not looking to score hes looking for his teammate to score. thats why i wouls rather take him.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Dallas has a lot of players under contract

[FutureoftheGame]

Do you not understand chemistry? Tinsley is not going to accept a bench role with limited shots. Williams knows how to play with Wade. Williams knows Riley. Tinsley is only going to steal shots from the young core. He will demand to start and move Chalmers to the bench, thus, stunting his growth as the teams PG. I restpect what you are saying, I just dont agree.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

williams is a much easier player to coach and brings better defense and intangibles. hes not looking to score hes looking for his teammate to score.

So why did he averaged 4 assists? I highly disagree, Williams IS NOT a better defender then Tinsley. Your a numbers guy right?

Steals- Tinsley 1.7spg and Williams 1.2

And we dont know if Tinsley is still that guy who is tough to coach, he may comeback and is willing to listen. I would take the 27 year old PG rather then the 33 year old PG. Most people would…

[McWinningParticipant]

another factor is the Heat are a young team if Williams gets back to his old self he could get Beasley, more shots, and Wade wont have to be the creator anymore.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I wouldn’t sign either of those guys lol seriously. Knicks need to sign Sessions & call it an offseason. Heat need to sign somebody like Big Baby that will actually help their team.

[FutureoftheGame]

However, we do know that Williams is coachable and you still arent getting the chemistry thing. You of all people know that steals are not a way to judge defensive ability. The lack of assist could be attributed to him not having great shooters aournd him often.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Jason Williams is 33, he has not averaged 6 assists since 2003! He’s old and his game is getting old. I rather have Tinsley who can score off the bench and pass very well (8 apg in 2007)

[McWinningParticipant]

and another factor is Chalmers is the point guard of the future and if he sees Tnsley being greedy and looking to shoot all the time it could rub off on him.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Gator Heels- You love Big Baby, he is not a starter in the NBA, he had a ok season last year and showed me nothing to think he is a starter.

[FutureoftheGame]

Gatorheels, how can you say that the Heat should sign a guy that is only going to try to take some shots and minutes from Beasley. And how can they call it an offseason when Chris Quinn is their backup PG?

[FutureoftheGame]

Sry, double post

[gatorheelsParticipant]

You need to watch some more games then Knicksboy. Glen Davis already proved he is a quality starter. Look what he did in the playoffs. Big Baby hit a game winning shot in the playoffs that many players haven’t done & never will. So you are telling me Tinsley & Williams would help out the Heat more than Big Baby? please.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

and another factor is Chalmers is the point guard of the future and if he sees Tnsley being greedy and looking to shoot all the time it could rub off on him.

Come on man, What if’s and Factors….Tinsley will come off the bench and will still be a scoring and passing threat. He is such a chucker he averaged more then 15ppg in 1 season and had average at least 5 assist in every season he played

Why go after Williams? Yea he maybe more coachable but he is slow, losing a step (Kinda why he retired) and not a good scorer. The Heat need another scorer off the bench/

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Future- Because Beasley needs to play SF. Also having Williams or Tinsley as a backup PG for the Heat is not going to make a difference as far as the success they will have this season.

[McWinningParticipant]

if the Heat get Big Baby it would take minutes away from Beasley, and hed become the backup small forward, not the backup sf/pf.

[FutureoftheGame]

Kincksboy is right tho. He hasnt play an enitre year starting or playing lost of productive minutes yet. Lots of player have great runs then burn out. Jerome James is an example. Im not saying that Glen Davis will do that, im just saying that a good playoff doesnt mean anything as far as what he is going to do.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

So your taking him as a starter because he hit a game winner? Ok….I saw alot of games he played (I live on the east coast) there’s a reason he still is a RFA, nobody is super high on him. He is a starter on a Bad team and a good bench option on a good team.

[FutureoftheGame]

The reason he retired is because of family problems and his wife was having complications with her pregnancy.

[McWinningParticipant]

just look at the difference trading Iverson made for the Nuggets. it saved Carmelo, and Jr from being greedy players. and changed the whole cultere of the team to a defense first team. Tinsley is a lot like Iverson in that sense. and you can compare Jr and Melo to Beasley, and Chalmers in that sense.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Stop Birdman, Come on now…..The Difference is Tinsley is not starting, Tinsley is not making big money so if he comes off the bench and scores, what’s the issue?

I agree with Gator, it wont make a difference but Tinsley is better and younger (I think that’s set in stone) so on a team with a leader like Wade, I rather take the Chance on Tinsley then go old and take Williams because he ” played well before”

[billykParticipant]

I think Big Baby is an excellent 6th or 7th man off the bench……

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I don’t love Big Baby Knicksboy haha really. I just feel like he could really help the Heat out.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

No..but hitting a game winning shot in the conference semifinals of the playoffs is clutch. Also he averaged 16pts 6reb 2asst during the playoffs which is very good. That doesn’t sound like a bad player too me. I know he is way better than Tinsley or Williams. All restricted free agents are having trouble getting deals…that is the nature of the business…has nothing to do with teams not being high on him. I’ve seen Big Baby play in person I know what he is capable of. He is being slept on by alot of people on this website.

birdzilla- Beasley needs to be starting. James Jones isn’t even a good bench player.

[FutureoftheGame]

How can you say Big Baby is better than Williams or Tinsley? That is like saying that Chris Paul is better than Dwight Howard.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Gatorheels- Would you have Big Baby as your starter? You would probably be losing close to 50 games that season.

Even on the teams that wanna add him (New Jersey, New Orleans) he wouldn’t start so I would not add him to start. People are sleeping on him because he is not that great. He is decent at best.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I know you dont “Love” Big Baby, I think his role as the big off the bench fits him better then switching teams.

Also, I heard he may resign to Boston.

[McWinningParticipant]

if Tinsley was acting up in Indiana wh would he suddenly become a better person in Miami?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Because he know this is a 2nd and final chance for him. Tinsley was embrassed he got deactived for a whole season, he will try to stay clean.

Think Steven Jackson- did you ever hear anything crazy since he left Indy? I dont think so.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Knicksboy- If Big Baby went to the Heat then I absolutely would start him at PF & I would start Beasley at SF. This makes the Heat a better team IMO. If he went to New Jersey I think he should start there too. He wouldn’t start for New Orleans but he would still help them. Yes he may stay with the Celtics. I would like to see him leave though & get more playing time elsewhere.

Future- Paul & Dwight are stars. Big Baby is a good player while lets be honest Tinsley & Williams are pretty much scrubs at this point.

[FutureoftheGame]

I just dont like trying to compare when they are such different players. And, Big Baby would not start over Haslem. Who would rebound and play Defence??

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Yes, he’s smart he offered Tinsley a deal and didn’t even claim Williams off waivers. Say what you want, you dont know if Tinsley is still gonna act that way with D-Wade as the leader.

Tinsley talent wise is better then Williams.

[McWinningParticipant]

Pat Rileys a smart man. he knows although Spoelstra has done a
good job hes going into his secong year of coaching.i dont think he would hand a headcase over to him in his second year. i think instead he would get Williams whos knows the system and has palyed with them before. and who is a much safer player. i think Riley knows that it would be had for a second year coach to get the respact of Tinsley. i think he should go to Charette where if Felon leaves they need a pg, and rown would be able to get his respect like he has done to Iverson, and Sheed.

[trojans13Participant]

big baby is an energy guy who shuold play no more than 20-25 minutes a night as a back up to both big spots. he brings great energy to the second unit and someone who can add scoring in spurts. he would become exposed in a role any greater than that. he would only be a starter for a team that is going to lose 50 games in a season

[McWinningParticipant]

it takes years for a coach to get enough respect to get respect from players like that.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Future- I understand what you are saying about the comparisons. As fas as Big Baby vs. Halsem… I think Big Baby is the better player & would start over Haslem. Big Baby can rebound & defend just as well as Haslem can. Glen Davis is a better scorer.

You guys would honestly want Tinsley &or Williams on your team? I really would not sign either of these guys.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

He has a 2nd chance, he may have changed his way and is trying to find a roster spot. We DONT KNOW.

All I know is, I saw both Williams and Tinsley’s numbers from the 2007-2008 seasons (both players last seasons) and they were not close. If Tinsley comes in committed, I would take Tinsley to be a scoring point off the bench who can pass.

You have a Bias on Tinsley because of the past, look at the numbers and how both players did. I rather have Tinsley because he is still in his prime and can contribute more than Jason Williams.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

How do you explain the Celtics beating the Bulls in the playoffs? Celtcis even gave the Magic a very tough series with guess who starting?..Glen Davis. Put Big Baby as the starting PF for the Heat & they are not going to lose 50 games.

[trojans13Participant]

his numbers were good for 2 series, i agree, but he is a 6-6 300lb pf who cant stay out fo foul trouble because of his body. he didnt go against one big/strong power forward in either series and thats why he was successful for those two series. when he matches up with long strong players his shot gets blocked repeatedly. in the long haul his weaknesses would be exposed

[McWinningParticipant]

id take Big Baby but im worried they might decide to bring Beasley off the bench which would mean less minutes.

[FutureoftheGame]

If ther past were causing the bias, we would not want Williams there either. He as had a terrible past. Just like Tinsley.

[McWinningParticipant]

yes he has had a bad past but hes not a greedy player like Tinsley.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

How is Tinsley greedy if he never had less then 5 assist per game in any season?

[billykParticipant]

Udonis Haslem > Glen Davis, I think they both are similar because they are both jumpshooters that like to bang in the paint but I give the edge to Haslem because you KNOW he can get it done as a starter and he can play at a champioship level… Big Baby is a question mark because people THINK he can he can be a successful PF… I dont think one you can judge if a player can be a good starting PF based on the performance in 1 postseason…. I wonder how his knees would hold up over 82 games playing 35 MPG (dude kinda heavy)….

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Haslem does not play at a championship level anymore. He is a below average starter. Yes Haslem is a good rebounder but he did nothing in the playoffs for the Heat. Cmon man did you watch any of the games. Haslem averaged 8pts 0ast 0steals 0blocks…..Wow compared to Big Baby he looks like a scrub.

[billykParticipant]

I seen Haselm play with the Heat last year in the playoffs (he played aiight but he could have played better) He is a lunch pail type of player he isnt gonna be a second or third option and he isnt a playmaker but he is a solid defender (man and team) that is effective with talent around him… I think he is an average starting PF in the league you can count on him to rebound and defend because thats WHAT HE DOES… As far as saying Big Baby makes him look like a scrub im going to disagree… Haslem is a better defender, rebounds better, and his a tougher player (see Big Bay crying on the bench)… What PF did Big Baby match up against in the playoffs Tyrus Thomas???? Rashard Lewis??? I would like to see him produce as a starter… Udonis Haselm is almost a double double type player for his career, I doubt Big “Cry” Baby comes close to Haslem averages for his career… And at 29 years old he is still in his prime I dont think his numbers slipped that much (he just need to be on a contending team),,,,

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

i think i’d rather have big baby over haslem. sure haslem has experience as well…but big baby is much more physical…has a jumpshot…and plays when it’s important…period.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I dunno and to be honest…WE DONT KNOW if Big Baby can handle 35mpg for 82 games…he may tire out and disappoint near the end of the season.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Big Baby has a solid jumper but soo does Haslem, I would take Haslem because he is a workhoarse can bang ownlow , crash the boards, and he can also score a little, Big Baby is also very unathletic and slow , also sort of undersized

KnicksBoy lets start new, we dont even know each other im sure we would be good friends if we knew each othe rin person , and for real we argued over B.S.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Mike…I was never mad at you. Never, I love to disagree. I like to go the other way. To be honest, I wanna make a new account and start anew because I feel I hurt my rep (not because of you) but overall.

Were still cool man 100%

[gatorheelsParticipant]

mikenike- Big Baby is a workhouse & can bang downlow too. Haslem is undersized. Big Baby isn’t near as slow as people think. Also for a guy his size he is pretty athletic & has very good footwork.

Like I said look what they both did in the playoffs when it really mattered & there is absolutely no comparison.

[Michael.S.Participant]

i respect your opinion but do you think Big Baby can guard the elite PF’s downlow and the combo Forwards on the perimeter ? i doubt it
I think Haslem can contain the Rashard Lewis’es of the NBA much more easily than Big Baby can, feel free to argue

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Big Baby is just more effective when he is on the floor…..the #s prove it. At least they do in the playoffs. Haslem did have the better regular season but he obviously got a lot more playing time. I would rather have the player that performs better in the playoffs. Big Baby is also a lot younger & should continue to improve. Haslem is on the decline.

I do agree with you on that mikenike- Haslem can guard the perimeter better than Big Baby but in the post they are both undersized

[McWinningParticipant]

i think most of us would know who you are even if you made a new account. and why do you think you’ve hurt your rep?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

just for a fresh start…

[McWinningParticipant]

i disagree, i think you should keep your same acount. maybe you could change your username.

[deuce4off]

You already tried creating a new name QHaynes and everyone knew it was your dumb @ss…..you’re an easy mark to spot

Recent nonsense:

John Wall = Javaris Crittenton
Perry Jones = PF in NBA
Jrue Holiday = A top 5 pick

[Knicksboy34Participant]

we can argue right now…I dont care.

[McWinningParticipant]

ignore him and he will stop acting like an idiot. but you would crush him in a contest.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I know…it’s not worth it.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I know…it’s not worth it.

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