[KathleenTurnerOverdriveParticipant]

i know i’m going to get crap for this, but i gotta say Kevin Garnett. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a talented player but honestly he seems like he’s just an athletic bully. He always seems to pick on point guards or rookies from what i’ve seen. He tried messing with 2 guards but that didn’t go well (just ask Anthony Peeler) and he tried messing with someone his own size (see McDyess, Antonio), and that really didn’t end well…….i saw the video. I’m just saying, he’s talented but very overrated.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

ya, i’m not sure if anyone’s gonna agree with you. I certainly don’t think kg is overrated…especially when he had a 25ppg,12rpg,5+apg season about what….4-5 years back?

[FT33Participant]

He is not only a big man that is a freak athlete, he has post moves, a mid-range jumper, and a defensive stopper. Also, back in the 90s and early 2000s, a big man that could shoot was rare and having a big man who was BOTH offensively and defensively skilled was unheard of(only a couple at that time had that kind of skill). So, if you are going to criticize arguebly one of the best PF ever, you better have the right background info to back it up.

[KathleenTurnerOverdriveParticipant]

those are great numbers and all but did he win a chip that year? players like Michael Cooper and Bruce Bowen won 8 chips between them but neither of them averaged over 10 points per for their career and the rest of their stats weren’t that great either but both were huge pieces to their team’s championship puzzles. I’m not saying either of them can be compared to KG talent wise. KG puts up good numbers but so does Zach Randolph. Ultimately, winning is the most important thing and if i remember correctly it was Paul Pierce who was finals mvp and not Kevin Garnett

[FT33Participant]

He lead the Timberwolves to the playoffs for eight straight years and Western Conference Finals. And for the Zach Randolph comment, Randolph is skilled but takes dumb shots in the clutch and he plays almost no defense.

[KathleenTurnerOverdriveParticipant]

in those eight straight years he only made it past the first round once and eventually lost to the lakers (who lost to the pistons) i remeber when KG was a rookie though. he’s very talented but everyone has labeled him as a franchise player. i think he’s an excellent player but not a franchise player like an Olajuwon, or Jordan, or a Duncan. He’s a great secondary player though

[TyroberParticipant]

KG is a leader. without him boston doesnt get another championship. KG is one of the best basketball players ever. sure he looks a little overrated now that he is older but you need to go back and watch some tape of how dominant he use to be.

[Champzilla21Participant]

Lol kevin garnett is just an athleticbully, hahaha, someone who averaged 20 10 5 for like 6 straight season, 1 mvp should have been 2 in my opinion, and 1 defensive player of the year, the man who had 32 pts 21 rebs and like 9 assists in game 7 in the playoffs against sacromento. if u switched bruce bowen with kg how many more ships do u think the spurs would have one like a million, how would the timberwolves have done? lottery everyyear, o wait they had to forefit every 1st round pick four 4 years so no new fresh talent was coming into help and kg still lead them to the playoffs, He took a team with sam cassel and Latrellel Choke my Coach spreewell as the 2nd and 3rd options to the western conference finals imagion if he had david robinson, or tony parker and manu ginobli or anybody, so next time u put ur fingers to the keyboard think before you write

[KathleenTurnerOverdriveParticipant]

i’ve wathched KG since he was a rookie and he was never a dominant player. He was very good but not dominant. If i remeber correctly Shaq, MJ, Duncan, and even Kobe were the dominant players throughout KG’s era. He never won a chip till he was paired with Pierce and Allen and he wasn’t even the go-to guy on that team. KG is a talented player and will be in the HOF but he is way overrated. he’s kinda like our generation’s Karl Malone but with a chip

[Champzilla21Participant]

If you watched him since he was a rookie couldnt u tell the disparity of talent through everyone elses teams and then look at garnetts teams, kg never played with anyone close or near his talent and look the first year it happens he gets a championship, Shaq was great but he always had kobe or dwayne wade for each championship, Mj had pippen, Kobe had shaq or a deep talented team, duncan had robinosn, and a deep talented team. Kevin garnett revolutionized the game for a 7 footer simple as that

[festar35Participant]

Personally i would say Mo Williams. Sure he helped LBJ a lot last year but when he was really needed he just ran his mouth and didn’t back it up with his play. Did not deserve an All-Star selection either.

[thunderforthewinParticipant]

Good player but i get the feeling that everyone treats him like a star when all he is so far is a good role player

[JNixonParticipant]

I think the most overrated players in the NBA right now are either Jameer Nelson or Ramon Sessions.

[KathleenTurnerOverdriveParticipant]

First of all Duncan had an aging David Robinson, and a good but not great pg in Tony Parker, a sixth man in Manu( who flops too much). Not exactly a a star studded lineup but he made the most of it. Shaq had Kobe so i’ll give that one to you, he also had Wade when he was half the center he used to be( I mean this in ability and games played) Mj was MJ and Pip is possibly the best right hand man ever so i’ll give that one to you too. but KG had an all-star Tom Gugliotta and a young pre-drama Starbury(kinda). Even with spree and cassell (an all-star that year) he still couldn’t toople the dysfunctianal lakers of 2004 that featured 4 future hall of famers that LOST to the pistons, a team that featured no star players. the point is that KG is a very good player, but i wouldn’t put him in the same catergory as MJ, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, or even Kobe or Sir Charles for that matter

[thunderforthewinParticipant]

Nelson didnt play well at all during the playoffs but giving him the benefit of the doubt he was coming off a serious injury

[sameolGParticipant]

you just called someone overrated because of who they get in fights with… in that case Kobe is overrated for gettin beat up by chris childs and reggie miller lol

[llperez]

I don’t like KG as a person and you bring up some solid reasons with his punking pg’s and soft players like when he punched Rick Rickert at practice. He comes off as all hard and tough, but as soon as he get’s in someone like Peelers face, he soften’s up and does nothing. He’ll punk the calderon’s of the league, but he get’s real shy around other tough guys.

With that said, he is not overrated as a player. He has been carrying teams throughout his career and deserved that mvp.

[llperez]

Kobe never got touched by miller and childs punched him, but kobe didn’t back down, he just got caught off gaurd and didn’t have a chance to swing back. Difference with Kopbe and KG is kobe will mix it up with anyone just like he through elbows at Dwight and ron in the playoffs, but he doesn’t try to punk anyone. KG tries to punk little guys.

[OrangeJuiceJonesParticipant]

The talent is obviously there with KG. However, he does seem to have some psychological issues. He is notorious for picking fights with guys that won’t fight back. I still laugh whenever I have the image of Anthony Peeler nailing him with an elbow, and Garnett gets into a fighting stance for a few seconds, then he backs away.

[Da1potParticipant]

Mo Williams and Jameer Nelson HANDS DOWN!

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I understand that everyone has their own opinions, but this sounds like you just don’t like that KG picks on people. The guy is amazing. Very few players can play on both ends of the floor like him and even fewer have had the ability that he has at his size. His best years, he was playing on a team with very little talent. Imagine what he would have already accomplished by now if he had some help. Anyone that lives in that Minny and Boston knows that the guy comes to play every possession and he gave Minnesota his best years. These “Boston” years, I wouldn’t even look at his numbers. Right now, it’s purely about winning and staying healthy. He is taking less shots and playing less minutes because it’s all about championships and winning.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Mo Williams is one, Trevor Ariza is another

But my main “overrated beef” is with Anderson Varejao…alot of guys praise him, i mean..he doesnt get looked at as a “star” but he gets ALOT more credit than he truly deserves…

[llperez]

my all overrated team:

ramon sessions(he’s solid, but there were some people on here calling him a future all-star)
Andersen Verajao(not by fans, but by danny ferry for treating this guy like he is unreplaceable overpaying him twice now)
ben gordon(inconsistent, no defense, doesn’t create for others. I think the bulls will be fine with Salmons and Hinrich at the two)
chris bosh(very good second option, but not a franchise player)
rajon rondo(i just don’t think he is an all-star like many others do)
boris diaw(not nearly the difference maker people seem to think)

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Had no talent on those teams with the exception of Cassel and Spree 1 year. He is a beast, Not overrated at all. 1 of the best Bball players I have seen in the last 20 years.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Had no talent on those teams with the exception of Cassel and Spree 1 year. He is a beast, Not overrated at all. 1 of the best Bball players I have seen in the last 20 years.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Had no talent on those teams with the exception of Cassel and Spree 1 year. He is a beast, Not overrated at all. 1 of the best Bball players I have seen in the last 20 years.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I used to think that the forum on this site was great until I started reading all of this posts that talked about overrated and people were pointing out not only hall of famers, but some of the most unique ones ever like KG and Magic. It’s ok if you don’t like a player, but if you think these guys are overrated, then it shows a lack of basketball knowledge.

With that said there are a ton of overrated players. I think Amare is one of them. He is an amazing scorer, but does absolutely nothing else. With his athleticism he should be much more of a force on the boards and on defense, but he always focuses all of his energy on offense. On some teams that has to happen, but he has enough offense surrounding him over the years that he can play both ends. Rondo is another. I think he is does a lot of things well on the defensive end, he’s hard to contain off the dribble and he is an excellent rebounder for his size and position, but there are a lot of guys you could replace him with and the Celtics would be just as good if not better. He has benefited greatly by having the big 3. Josh Smith…he should be so much better than what he is. I understand that he is really young and I think if he got to spend more time at the 3, it would help him tremendously, but the guys basketball IQ is so low that it’s not even funny. No post moves, too many ill advised 3s, cannot make simple plays and he should be a lock down defender. Ramon Sessions…everyone acts like he was putting up crazy numbers for a playoff team. He is a solid player (better than I thought he would become), but don’t expect him to carry a team on his own. Ben Gordon…there was a reason that all of his coaches have brought him off the bench. He is just not good enough to start. Sure he started last year, but that’s because they needed a scorer next to Rose. It seemed like last year in the playoffs that no matter who he was guarding would score.

[quincey hodges]

gordan came off the bench because of hi size and d..he is that good..and the same with rondo…if it was so easy to replace rondo then the celtics woulddo it for cheaper…if there are pg out there who can do what he did in the playoffs last year( i think in the history of the nba there was only one) id love to see it. im not sure whats the fascination with hating on rondo, though i admit i used to untill i really started watching his game and after that i was convinced..the guy plays d can score and pass and gets to the lane at will..his only weakness is hes not a good shooter so i dont undertand where the hate comes from..alot of fans say i dont lthink hes that good but not one come up with some proof as too why..the most common excuses is..he cant shoot or i think other guards out there are better or if you replace him blah blah..i can say if this and if that all day but that doesnt make it tru. what makes things tru is facts and what a player has done and he proved hes one of the best pg out there and hes only getting better. ben gordan took alot of ill advised shots i agree but if it wasnt for him the bulls wouldnt have been close in the first round..thats the thing wit a good hooter like him, he will take some bad shots but he will also win ou games like he did in last years playoffs. ..and the bulls tried there best to keep himthere but couldnt afford to thats the only reason hes gone…im not sure how you can call out others for listing overrated player and say they lack basketball knowledge but then list rondo and gordan as overrated yet no people who have basketball knowledge in the nba think either player is overrated

[youngmagParticipant]

Hedo is so overrated I’m sorry he just fit the Magic perfectly the way that Dwight took all the attention and he just knocked down shots and took advantage of the open lanes he had. I like Chauncy I really do but he came into Denver for what they needed and with better talent than what Iverson had when he was there. They make it seem like he was a god at his position.

[quincey hodges]

i do think hedo is a tad overrated but he did score alot without open lanes and hit tough shots with guys in his face..he earned most of his points being the point foward so it wasnt just open shots and open lanes. that would be like saying kobe scored because shaq open the lane for him or t.parker,d.will,or any other good player that played with a allstar big man

[youngmagParticipant]

Your right…I want to see him do that in Toronto..well he might with Calderon being a great passing pg.

[RUDEBOY]

Whoever said Garnett is overrated doesn’t know anything about basketball…And have never seen this DUDE PLAY…Boston would’ve never won the championship in 2008 if they hadn’t got KG…And his injry cost them to lose to Orlando last season……….Whoever said Garnett is overrrated must’ve had him on nba2010….And lost

[The Big O]

Amar’e
Blake Griffin
Al Jefferson
Chris Bosh

All these guys are UNDERSIZED power forward, they can score but do u REALLY expect them to lock down an OVERSIZED power forward

Amar’e- Al Jefferson is too strong for him in the post
Blake Griffin- has a shorter wingspan than Amar’e defensive gamechanger? I think not
Al Jefferson- too fat
Chris Bosh- too skinny
Jordan Hill- undersized and underweight o.O
Josh Smith (PF)- he’s a small forward, he chases down blocks on PERIMETER players, against PFs he may let them go by him and try to block the shot from BEHIND:
-he couldn’t really keep KG off the block in that Boston Series,or Al Jefferson or Tim Duncan
-Chris Bosh/Nowitzki will shoot over him
-Gasol is way better MISMATCH at the PF spot than J-Smoove

[quincey hodges]

other then duncan (and even he doesnt shut down the top pf) no pf shuts down good pf..garnett doesnt dirk doent..and what does height have to do with anything?..there no such thing as undersized if you get the job done..so charles barkley was overrated?..karl malone we unseld hakkem? because all of them were 6’10 or shorter…and as far as youre reasons…who exactly can keep kg off the block or jefferson or duncan?..all the guys you named (other then blake cuz he hasnt played yet) get there points against duncan,garnett and every other pf o does that mean garnett and duncan cant play defense either?

[The Big O]

Charles Barkley if ure a 6’6 can’t u use ur speed to NEUTRALIZE the HEIGHT advantage

CHarles BArkley is a MISMATCH- advantage speed and mobility
disadvantage height in the post

I NEVER called him OVERRATED. ur putting words in my mouth

and if u wanted to pick speed MISMATCH then u pick SIR Charles

not EVERY 6’6 guy no MATTER HOW HARD THEY HUSTLE
weighs 260+ pounds and can move like that

UR argument is invalid. UR bringing up HOF players that had advantages to NEUTRALIZE their lack of height

Amar’e Stoudemire weighs 245 lbs! he’s perfect for offense
but not defense

[JoeWolf1]

Gasol overrated?? I don’t think so, for years he was underrated as the best player on a bad team. Despite Memphis’ woes he still led them to the playoffs. He then found a spot on a good team and was a vital compontent to a championship run. The fact that he isn’t a lock down defender doesn’t negate all the things he does well, thus making him overrated. Yeah, He isn’t an amazing defender, but he still has averaged 1.7 block per game for his career. Kobe and Odom were praised more in their playoff run than Gasol was too, I don’t think Gasol is overhyped or overrated at all.

[The Big O]

I just was debating on the other post, and he was actually UNDERRATED
Guy said NOBODY knew how good Gasol was. yeah right

Gregg Popovich called it a “highway robbery”. And Stephen A. Smith…u can just youtube it.

At the very least it was an UPGRADE (defensive length, defensive IQ, and better offense)
the FANS didn’t know but NBA ppl knew.

[The Big O]

Jose Calderon… top PG?! who does he make better on a 22 win team with an all-star, o but he was injured last year

cut the malarkey

OJ Mayo… slower taller Jason Terry with more hype as a youngster, has no post up game as a PG and no drive game as a SG, he’s a tweener but he takes big shots, sometimes he makes them but 60% of the time he misses them

[quincey hodges]

lol..oj mayo=jason terry..now thats funny..esspecially considering he was better as a rookie then terry was and hes only played one year.most rookies dont shoot great in tere first year esspecially those who have to carry there team. now just think how good hes gonna be when he starts shooting better….and if i recall rip hamilton shot 43 percent as a rookie…and as a rookie he shot a better percentage than vince carter joe johnson chauncy billups kevin martin. and we all know we cant say its because he shoots layups because we know he shots mostly jumpers

[The Big O]

OJ Mayo is OJ mayo. Basketball is basketball. if u put up 40 pts but get abused on defense then chances r ur losing in the NBA.

OJ MAYO CANNNOT PLAY DEFENSE

Did it say that on NBA.com? or did the website only highlight when he’s not in a shooting SLUMP

OJ Mayo can be Kobe Bryant on offense
but he’s OJ Mayo on defense case closed.

[quincey hodges]

on top of that he shoots slightly above or the same or below ( no more then .3-1 percent in either direction) then vince carter daquan cook,rip,kyle kover,jr smith broy,rasul butler,eric gordan)…not ure but i think thats pretty damn good as a rookie…..oh i made a mistake also…after checking out nba.com i found out he shoots 46 percent from 2pt….interesting

[quincey hodges]

can not play defense?..every coach and nba players talk about how good of a defender he is..lol..do you even watch basketball..yeah its on nba.com..go check it out

[The Big O]

Ur drinking the kool-aid hodges.

PG defense or SG defense?

[quincey hodges]

draftexpress.com

Part 6: Defense

Then:

“The silver lining from this season has to do with Mayo’s defense, which has been nothing short of outstanding so far, when he’s put his mind to it. He’s doing a terrific job putting pressure on the ball, denying space and overwhelming his matchups with his combination of size, strength, length and lateral quickness. The work he did on Derrick Rose in Madison Square Garden was particularly notable, rendering him fairly ineffective when were matched up against each other. Mayo still needs to show that same commitment on each and every possession, but the early signs have been fairly promising.”
NCAA Weekly Performers, 1/9/08– Part One

Now:

Mayo’s commitment and excellence on the defensive end has been very impressive for any player, let alone a rookie. It’s rare to see him out of a stance as he stays low and pressures whoever is in his way. He never gives up on a play – always contesting shots even when beat or late to close out. He takes players out of their comfort zones, by bodying up to them, being physical and taking away their strengths. When bigger guards try to post him, he’ll make them pay by pushing them away from the basket, nullifying their height advantage. He does all of this without fouling, (2.2 fouls a game) which shows his understanding of how to play on this side of the court. That ease that he plays with on offense is transformed to aggression and feistiness on the defensive end.

Off the ball he isn’t as successful, but not because of a lack of effort. He seems to take it as a personal challenge when defending opposing guards, which at times can hinder his ability to fulfill his defensive responsibilities in the team-concept. He’ll often swipe at an off guard driving by his side instead of taking a half a step in stop him. On the other hand, when guarding a three point threat, he does a good job of faking at a penetrating guard and recovering back quickly to his man.

One area the he can stand to work on is boxing out. Once a shot goes up he leaves his man trying to anticipate where the ball is going. He can completely lose sight of his man, which is never a good thing. If he could locate his man first, bump him a little bit, and then pursue the ball, he would benefit greatly and increase his very pedestrian 4.2 RPG average.

[The Big O]

Isn’t that a college evaluation?

We’re talking about NBA now, he’s not guarding Derrick Rose anymore he’s guarding Rip Hamilton, Joe JOhnson, Jason Terry, Vince Carter, Dwyane Wade, etc

“The silver lining from this season has to do with Mayo’s defense, which has been nothing short of outstanding so far, when he’s put his mind to it. He’s doing a terrific job putting pressure on the ball, denying space and overwhelming his matchups with his combination of size, strength, length and lateral quickness. The work he did on
((( Derrick Rose)))
in Madison Square Garden was particularly notable, rendering him fairly ineffective when were matched up against each other. Mayo still needs to show that same commitment on each and every possession, but the early signs have been fairly promising.”
NCAA Weekly Performers, 1/9/08– Part One

[quincey hodges]

did you read half of it?..cuz it says then(college) and now(nba)..try reading all of it

[quincey hodges]

and he checks sg because thats the position he plays..what are u talking about pgdefense…make sure you do youre reserch before writing false stuff

[quincey hodges]

dimemagazine.com

Just like Rip Hamilton, one of Mayo’s biggest obstacles in cracking the NBA’s elite as a go-to guy is that his spot on his own team isn’t secure. He spent the better part of last season wrestling top dog status away from Rudy Gay, and just when he seemed locked in being the “A” to Rudy’s “B,” here comes Allen Iverson, a man who — despite what he says in press conferences — has grown accustomed to running his own ship for the last 15 years. For Mayo, that makes establishing consistency and trust amongst his teammates as The Man in Memphis that much harder.

When he is entrenched as the go-to guy, Mayo (18.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.2 apg) is one of the more talented young’uns in the League in that role. He has a reliable jumper inside the arc — he shot 44.6% on two-point J’s as a rookie, 21st in the League according to 82games.com — and spent his summer working on his range (38% from three), among other things. He can also take on the assignment of guarding the other team’s go-to guy. By the end of last season, O.J. was trading crunch-time buckets and assists with the likes of Brandon Roy, Dirk Nowitzki, Caron Butler, Kobe Bryant and Kevin Martin, with the Grizzlies emerging with wins more often than expected.

Youth, inexperience and the predictable instability in his position as go-to guy are primarily what’s keeping O.J. low on this list. One thing he can control that he’ll have to improve is his playmaking ability — he tends to get shot-happy — or else find ways to get easier shots if he’s going to shoot a lot. At 6-4, Mayo is an undersized two-guard who doesn’t have elite athleticism by NBA standards. So a lot of times, he’ll end up taking (or settling for) a long jumper instead of getting to the basket to create a higher-percentage opportunity. (Having a dependable low-post scorer like Zach Randolph should help fix that, giving O.J. at least a good reason to pass the ball more.)

He’s got time, though. Even with the addition of Iverson, there’s no pressure for O.J. to turn the Grizzlies into a winner. The Grizzlies aren’t supposed to beat the League’s top teams yet, meaning O.J. is supposed to lose those game-within-a-game battles to more experienced crunch-time guys. And even if he finds himself deferring to the veteran A.I., this is a one-year rental; O.J. will have his spot back in 2010. If he does maintain his alpha dog spot, it’ll only make him stronger as a competitor. From there, it’s no bold prediction to say Mayo will find himself closer to legit superstar status soon enough.

[The Big O]

At 6-4, Mayo is an undersized two-guard who doesn’t have elite athleticism by NBA standards. So a lot of times, he’ll end up taking (or settling for) a long jumper instead of getting to the basket to create a higher-percentage opportunity.

Offense
Superstars play both sides of the ball. now show me the “top-dog superstar DEFENSIVE tools” article.
Find me the article “glorifying’ his defense

O yea there is none

Here’s the draftexpress article where u contradict urself
>>>>
Now: (undersized SG)
Mayo’s commitment and excellence on the defensive end has been very impressive for any player, let alone a rookie. It’s rare to see him out of a stance as he stays low and pressures whoever is in his way. He never gives up on a play – always contesting shots even when beat or late to close out. He takes players out of their comfort zones, by bodying up to them, being physical and taking away their strengths. When bigger guards try to post him, he’ll make them pay by pushing them away from the basket, nullifying their height advantage.
He does all of this without fouling, (2.2 fouls a game) which shows his understanding (is he even trying) of how to play on this side of the court (pretty low # but he’s undersized so he has to stay on the court).That ease that he plays with on offense is transformed to aggression and feistiness on the defensive end. (feisty undersized SG wow that’s SO rare)

Off the ball he isn’t as successful, but not because of a lack of effort. He seems to take it as a personal challenge when defending opposing guards, which at times can hinder his ability to fulfill his defensive responsibilities in the team-concept. He’ll often swipe at an off guard driving by his side instead of taking a half a step in stop him. On the other hand, when guarding a three point threat, he does a good job of faking at a penetrating guard and recovering back quickly to his man.

One area the he can stand to work on is boxing out. Once a shot goes up he leaves his man trying to anticipate where the ball is going. He can completely lose sight of his man, which is never a good thing. If he could locate his man first, bump him a little bit, and then pursue the ball, he would benefit greatly and increase his very pedestrian 4.2 RPG average.

END result 22 wins

all offense, no Defense= all star gunner= OVERRATED

[quincey hodges]

umm oj mayo has only played one year in the nba.so of course hes not a super star yet.,.it funny because youre the only person that thinks these things..not one other person thinks mayo is a bad defender…and check the combine to see just how un athletic mayo is.also heres some links that tell you whats the most important to becomming a good defender

http://www.basketballsuccess.com/basketball_defense_tip.html

http://www.basketball-drills-and-plays.com/basketball-defense-tips.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/becoming-a-solid-basketball-defender.html

now tell me whats the common theme that each says is the most important to becomming a good defender

[The Big O]

When OJ Mayo starts blocking shots and getting by his man to dunk on opposing centers ala Dwyane Wade his rookie year

then I’ll say ur NOT delusional

until then u have NO proof that OJ Mayo is NOT overrated

u just got a bunch of articles GLORIFYING him when his team sucked last year
which proves my point >>>HE’s overrated

[The Big O]

Dwyane Wade check out what he did at the combine. and Monta Ellis. What’s ur point?

[quincey hodges]

you aid hes a bad defender..i said hes a good defender..didnt ay elite..and you seem to compare him to a nba vet..hes a rookie and players and coaches and sports writers already talk about his defense…tim grover who is very respected( worked with jordan) says he has super star potenial a very very high work ethic and is a good defender…pretty much youre the only one with youre opinion so thats really all the proof i need

Mayo’s commitment and excellence on the defensive end has been very impressive for any player, let alone a rookie.

how does that contradict what i said?..that contradicts you saying he a BAD defender

[quincey hodges]

HES OVERRRATED BECAUSE HIS TEAM WAS BAD?..THAT MAKES NO SENSE..MOST GOOD PLAYERS get drafted by bad teams genius which in turns means there team isnt gonna be that good..common sense

[The Big O]

OJ Mayo rookie stats vs Dwyane Wade rookie stats

[quincey hodges]

i found out through other people on here not to even entertain you cuz you know nothing about basketball.(saying dwight howard is a pf so im done reading or responding to anything you say..peace

[The Big O]

i found out through other people on here not to even entertain you cuz you know nothing about basketball.

I know nothing? I STUDY basketball…

Dwight David Howard (born December 8, 1985),[1] nicknamed “Superman”, is an American basketball player for the Orlando Magic of the National Basketball Association (NBA). Howard, who usually plays center but can also play power forward, had an outstanding high school career at Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy. A devout Christian since his youth, Howard became serious about basketball around the age of nine; when in the eighth grade, he resolved to be selected as the number one pick in the NBA Draft one day.[2][3] Despite his large frame, Howard was quick and versatile enough to play the guard position.

YOU know surprisingly little considering ur background I think ur caught up in the hypemachine.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

You talk about overrated?
I know people will hate me for this but Gilbert Arenas has yet to prove to Washington that he is worth $111 Million Dollars. It was crazy to think that after signing the huge contract, he then decided to have a surgery that allowed him to miss most of the season and when he did try to comeback, he wasn’t the same Arenas…(At least not yet)… That to me is overrating.

Luol Deng and Josh Smith- don’t get me wrong because I am a fan of both these guys… But I think Lu is overrating himself by demanding a $71 Million Dollar contract for the Bulls. That isn’t worthy for a guy who averages 15 ppg… Josh Smith is overrated because of his freakish athletic ability but his decision to add the 3-point range as his arsenal makes it even more cringe-ish in my opinion.

Chris Bosh- a guy that is an All-Star caliber but he is NO Tim Duncan nor a Kevin Garnett… (those guys are rated just fine, so to those who say they are overrated should be crucified)… He doesn’t scare me like Kobe or LeBron…

Ben Gordon- Big Mistake for the Pistons… Offering a one-dimensional guy $10 Million a year is crazy especially when you got Rip, Will and Rodney who can take care of the scoring load for the Pistons. Ben Gordon is a great scorer but put an Andre Iguodala on him and he’s going to have a long night. Believe me, I know…

[The Big O]

Josh Smith is misunderstood. Josh Smith is like Shawn Marion if u think about it

Both r athletic, both can guard 2 or 3 positions, both r “rhythm” shooters, But I think, no I HOPE for his sake that Josh will continue to refine his stroke bcuz 47% from the FT line is pretty bad, but hey its preseason.

but on the plus side he’s refining his game a bit, HE DID NOT ATTEMPT A SINGLE 3 this preseason. I think he’s STILL learning the game. He’s younger than Lebron so I’ll cut him some slack, but this is the last season I’m doing so lol.

This is my PERSONAL OPINION, I have no proof except that he said he WANTS to be an All-Star and he WANTS TO BE on the All-DEFENSIVE team even more. I have to take his word that he is BEING HONEST ans say kudos to him and GOOD luck. .)

[Chicago1980Participant]

I have always thought that shaq was overated. I know he won MVP and finals MVP and 4 championships but i have always thought of him as a big basketball bully if you look at his skill set he really doesnt have any moves he uses his big body to bully people and then he dunks it or he throws that hook shot at the rim. He has never had a jumpshot cant hit free throws and has been a mediocre defender in his career.

[The Big O]

^^^I agree
shaquille o’neal POUND for POUND is one of the LEAST skilled players to ever succeed in the NBA.
Still in the HOF after its all said and done.

[llperez]

Shaq from his rookie season up until about 2002 was not overrated at all. He was the most dominate player in the game and he was a matchup nightmare. Only real flaw was that you couldn’t go to him late in games becuase of the ft’s. But since then, yeah he has been living mostly off his past hype. Wade was carrying that Heat team and phoenix was silly for thinking Shaq was the answer. I don’t have a problem with what Cleveland gave up to get him, so that was a good move, but I don’t think he is the answer that will put them over the top either.

As a side note, Shaq the person/competitor I could care less for.

[The Big O]

he killed FINESSE/SKILL centers with actual MOBILITY

Wilt>Kareem>Sampson>Parrish>Olajuwon/Ewing>>Shaq>>Oden/Howard

lb for lb he is the worst center to DOMINATE the NBA

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Early in his career in Orlando, Shaq was actually very quick and mobile. He was so dominant because he could really move for a man so huge.

[JNixonParticipant]

I cant agree that he’s a bad defender, I don’t think you’ve watched him defend if you think so either. He isn’t the huge gambler that most athletic and/or young players are, but in terms of making people work, he’s a very good defender. He was about like a Deshawn Stevenson-level defender last year, which is quite a statement considering he was a rookie last year. Stevenson isn’t a stopper, but he’s a hardnosed and slightly conservative on and off ball defender that guards the other team’s top perimeter guy when he’s on the floor. I’d go as far as to say along with his FG %, that was the most impressive thing about him as a rookie.

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