[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

• Wade Baldwin IV – I don’t get why he’s not in the mid-first round in this mock drafts and guys like Melo Trimble and Tyrone Wallace are ahead of him, even though I like both players. Baldwin has extreme athleticism and he can really shoot the ball. He isn’t one those athletes that can’t shoot and just be all athlete. He’s an outstanding finisher at the rim too. To add to that, he’s 6’3" and have a 6’10" wingspan.
• Taurean Prince – I don’t see him being a second round pick. He have the ideal tools and skill set to be a quality starter in this league. You see players like him, but those players cannot shoot the ball. He is a phenomenal spot up shooter. I don’t see how he’s not in the first round. He look a lot like Kawhi Leonard out there, not saying he will be him.
• Skal Labissiere/Jamal Murray – I know Skal struggling right now and do not desearve to be in the top 5, but Ivan Rabb is just not a better prospect than Skal. I would take Skal potential over Rabb anyday of the week. I don’t know why Jamal Murray slid down in the mocks, I really believe he played great. I love Kris Dunn and he been the better player, but I do not believe he’s the better prospect than Murray.
• Brice Johnson/Henry Ellinson – I don’t see Johnson as a first round pick and I see Ellinson as more of a lottery pick.

[Hype Machine]

 Agree with you re; Murray but disagree with Labissiere being too low.

Watching the guy recently has been painful, and Rabb has been playing the way I thought Skal would.

From memory, Rabb was a top-3 guy before the Skal Hype Machine went into overdrive.

But youre right…if there’s a better guard prospect in this draft than Murray, I haven’t seen it.

As for Ellinson, I think he will continue to rise. He’s such an effective player…teams will want guys like him in the late lottery.

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Agree with you re; Murray but disagree with Labissiere being too low.

Watching the guy recently has been painful, and Rabb has been playing the way I thought Skal would.

From memory, Rabb was a top-3 guy before the Skal Hype Machine went into overdrive.

But youre right…if there’s a better guard prospect in this draft than Murray, I haven’t seen it.

As for Ellinson, I think he will continue to rise. He’s such an effective player…teams will want guys like him in the late lottery.

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I disagree with you on the Rabb/Skal thing. Rabb was the number one ranked recruit at one point, but better prospects came along and he didn’t match their level of play. Skal just didn’t come out of the blue, he was already a top prospect in high school.  I believe the NBA fits more for his game than playing in the Kentucky system. He needs to play more in the perimeter. And Skal earned the hype before this season and everyone knew that he needs to add significant weight if he would be any good. He dominated all the high school all star game and practices and he shown elite skills. He’s not top 3, but I do still have in the top 5.

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I disagree with you on the Rabb/Skal thing. Rabb was the number one ranked recruit at one point, but better prospects came along and he didn’t match their level of play. Skal just didn’t come out of the blue, he was already a top prospect in high school.  I believe the NBA fits more for his game than playing in the Kentucky system. He needs to play more in the perimeter. And Skal earned the hype before this season and everyone knew that he needs to add significant weight if he would be any good. He dominated all the high school all star game and practices and he shown elite skills. He’s not top 3, but I do still have in the top 5.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

I would’ve taken Rabb last year over Skal, now and going forward.  He just has a better overall foundation as a prospect including intangibles.  He’s not just a motor guy.  Motor guys can’t shoot and effectively counter closeouts with their ball skills.  You can’t run offense through them and expect them to make the right play out of doubles, whatever the counter may be.  Motor guys can’t rip and run, leading the break off of a board. He’s a skilled, smart, athletic guy WITH a motor. Whereas Skal’s motor is questionable. 

And I honestly don’t care about All-Star circuit games.  Those are terrible for evaluation.  I don’t even watch them anymore.  Even the Hoop Summit has way too much stock put into 1 game, where kids don’t even get a chance to flesh out roles, or learn eachother’s strengths and weaknesses.  It is hardly a make or break game. 

They‘re both good shooters, but as I mentioned I like Rabb’s better ball skills to complement that shooting ability as a face up.

And if you saw Anthony Davis in HS it was obvious he could shoot.  If you knew his history as a former guard (who had scholarship offers, even when he was 6’3) you knew that the stroke was there. 

And I agree that Rabb has trouble establishing position currently which is why I mentioned that his physical tools are just OK. But so does Skal.  And no, Skal does not have a better frame.  Just look at his narrow, sloped shoulders (which also happens to be why his standing reach is pretty weak for a near 7’er.)  They both are not good at establishing position and they both have thin frames, but I like Rabb’s footwork more than I like Skal’s.  He was clearly well-schooled in the post and taught how to be effective over either shoulder, utilizing fakes and footwork to get defenders off balance, whereas Skal’s default is to fade left shoulder.

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

I would’ve taken Rabb last year over Skal, now and going forward.  He just has a better overall foundation as a prospect including intangibles.  He’s not just a motor guy.  Motor guys can’t shoot and effectively counter closeouts with their ball skills.  You can’t run offense through them and expect them to make the right play out of doubles, whatever the counter may be.  Motor guys can’t rip and run, leading the break off of a board. He’s a skilled, smart, athletic guy WITH a motor. Whereas Skal’s motor is questionable. 

And I honestly don’t care about All-Star circuit games.  Those are terrible for evaluation.  I don’t even watch them anymore.  Even the Hoop Summit has way too much stock put into 1 game, where kids don’t even get a chance to flesh out roles, or learn eachother’s strengths and weaknesses.  It is hardly a make or break game. 

They‘re both good shooters, but as I mentioned I like Rabb’s better ball skills to complement that shooting ability as a face up.

And if you saw Anthony Davis in HS it was obvious he could shoot.  If you knew his history as a former guard (who had scholarship offers, even when he was 6’3) you knew that the stroke was there. 

And I agree that Rabb has trouble establishing position currently which is why I mentioned that his physical tools are just OK. But so does Skal.  And no, Skal does not have a better frame.  Just look at his narrow, sloped shoulders (which also happens to be why his standing reach is pretty weak for a near 7’er.)  They both are not good at establishing position and they both have thin frames, but I like Rabb’s footwork more than I like Skal’s.  He was clearly well-schooled in the post and taught how to be effective over either shoulder, utilizing fakes and footwork to get defenders off balance, whereas Skal’s default is to fade left shoulder.

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I’m talking about practice in the All Star events, not the game. He was terrible in the practices.

It’s pretty obvious that Skal have a better frame than Rabb. He have bigger shoulders and he’s wider than Rabb. And Rabb have a more slender frame than Skal.

Everybody questioned AD shooting abilty when they were comparing him to Marcus Camby. They thought he would just be a lob catcher and great defensive player. Tons of people questioned if he can shoot the ball.

I just don’t see Ivan as a skill guy,I see him as a run, jump, block shot, and that’s all guy. A Kenneth Faried type of guy. He only took 4 3 pointers in the draftexpress database and did most of his work in the paint with dunks. I just watched 5 of his highlights of how he scores his points. He scores his points in the paint being a motor guy. Running up the court and getting put back dunks. I’m not saying that’s bad, but don’t come and say that he’s scoring with a full arsenal of moves when he just catching lobs, dump off passes, and put back dunks. At least in games when Skal was great in he was doing everything, like scoring in the post and jumpers to go along with how Rabb scores his point. At least we know what Skal can do.

 

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I’m talking about practice in the All Star events, not the game. He was terrible in the practices.

It’s pretty obvious that Skal have a better frame than Rabb. He have bigger shoulders and he’s wider than Rabb. And Rabb have a more slender frame than Skal.

Everybody questioned AD shooting abilty when they were comparing him to Marcus Camby. They thought he would just be a lob catcher and great defensive player. Tons of people questioned if he can shoot the ball.

I just don’t see Ivan as a skill guy,I see him as a run, jump, block shot, and that’s all guy. A Kenneth Faried type of guy. He only took 4 3 pointers in the draftexpress database and did most of his work in the paint with dunks. I just watched 5 of his highlights of how he scores his points. He scores his points in the paint being a motor guy. Running up the court and getting put back dunks. I’m not saying that’s bad, but don’t come and say that he’s scoring with a full arsenal of moves when he just catching lobs, dump off passes, and put back dunks. At least in games when Skal was great in he was doing everything, like scoring in the post and jumpers to go along with how Rabb scores his point. At least we know what Skal can do.

 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

So you were there sitting in on all those practices? Doubt it. A player who was “terrible” in practices doesn’t work his way into starting a game like the Hoop Summit. I’ll take what I’ve seen vs higher level of competition over what I’ve “heard” from practices.

 No, it’s not pretty obvious Skal has a better frame. He’s a year older, has an inch (and a half maybe) in height and they’re the same weight. Look at his sloped shoulders, his posture (hunched), his baby deer legs (those knee pads aren’t fooling anyone). Neither has a good frame, so its not an advantage for either.

 No, only people who didn’t get to watch AD in HS questioned his shooting ability. Players don’t develop as guards to the point of getting scholarship offers in HS and completely forget their foundation of skill.

 Oh, scouting via highlights. People still do that? Still a sucker for hoopmixtapes? Keep up the good work. What those highlights aren’t showing you is that 45% of his shots this year have been 2 point jumpers (or any variety of non-dunk/layup/putback shots), where he’s hitting them at the same clip as Skal (45%) with 67% of Skal’s being assisted and only 50% of Rabb’s being assisted. What does that mean? Rabb has been creating more of his own non-dunk/layup looks.

[GBeeParticipant]

So you were there sitting in on all those practices? Doubt it. A player who was “terrible” in practices doesn’t work his way into starting a game like the Hoop Summit. I’ll take what I’ve seen vs higher level of competition over what I’ve “heard” from practices.

 No, it’s not pretty obvious Skal has a better frame. He’s a year older, has an inch (and a half maybe) in height and they’re the same weight. Look at his sloped shoulders, his posture (hunched), his baby deer legs (those knee pads aren’t fooling anyone). Neither has a good frame, so its not an advantage for either.

 No, only people who didn’t get to watch AD in HS questioned his shooting ability. Players don’t develop as guards to the point of getting scholarship offers in HS and completely forget their foundation of skill.

 Oh, scouting via highlights. People still do that? Still a sucker for hoopmixtapes? Keep up the good work. What those highlights aren’t showing you is that 45% of his shots this year have been 2 point jumpers (or any variety of non-dunk/layup/putback shots), where he’s hitting them at the same clip as Skal (45%) with 67% of Skal’s being assisted and only 50% of Rabb’s being assisted. What does that mean? Rabb has been creating more of his own non-dunk/layup looks.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I’m not scouting "hoopmixtapes",  I’m looking at the games he’s playing at @Cal. You now Dawkins? He have a college channel now and he put out some of the top prospects highlights of the games in how they score their points, rebounds, etc….. I’ve seen about 5 of his videos and he does do a little work in the post, but in all of his videos that I saw Skal had more post scores than Rabb did combine in one game. He’s right hand dominate in the post, but he don’t only do jump hooks, he have a pretty good post fadeway.

Look at all the comparisons that the scouts had on him, they had Marcus Camby. Anthony Davis wasn’t playing on the perimeter in college and they judged him off that. You are just assuming that you know that he was great at shooting in high school by saying that he wouldn’t have a scholarship if he didn’t have skills.

Being the same weight doesn’t mean they have similar body types. Rabb have a smaller body than Skal.

I will go with what tons of experts saw when the door was close. If they said that he stunk it up, then he stunk it up, And I will go with was I saw from Skal. He has been inconsistent, but his best games are far better than what Rabb showed.

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I’m not scouting "hoopmixtapes",  I’m looking at the games he’s playing at @Cal. You now Dawkins? He have a college channel now and he put out some of the top prospects highlights of the games in how they score their points, rebounds, etc….. I’ve seen about 5 of his videos and he does do a little work in the post, but in all of his videos that I saw Skal had more post scores than Rabb did combine in one game. He’s right hand dominate in the post, but he don’t only do jump hooks, he have a pretty good post fadeway.

Look at all the comparisons that the scouts had on him, they had Marcus Camby. Anthony Davis wasn’t playing on the perimeter in college and they judged him off that. You are just assuming that you know that he was great at shooting in high school by saying that he wouldn’t have a scholarship if he didn’t have skills.

Being the same weight doesn’t mean they have similar body types. Rabb have a smaller body than Skal.

I will go with what tons of experts saw when the door was close. If they said that he stunk it up, then he stunk it up, And I will go with was I saw from Skal. He has been inconsistent, but his best games are far better than what Rabb showed.

 

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

It was more Skal having a great week of practices. He played well in the game also, but the practices are what teams go for. Most of the GM’s/scouts leave before the game, they can just watch the film later. What I will say, it is much harder to get things from the US practices as opposed to the World. The World practices are fantastic, they match guys up against each other, do a lot of drills and tend to scrimmage quite a bit. The US practices seem to be almost as much of a showcase for the coaches more so than highlighting the players. Also, they go up against local guys, all of whom have played college (or are Payton Pritchard, the past two years, so they will have to find a new PG for this one) with some who have played pro. Still, it is not seeing the guys go up against their peers, and it is not uncommon to leave feeling underwhelmed if someone has not dominated the "no name" scrimmage players (who can all ball, many of whom are good, but none were ever as highly rated as the Hoop Summit guys. Mike Moser maybe being the exception, when he lit up Cliff Alexander in 2014, only to get brutally posterized by Kelly Oubre).

The deal with Ivan at the Hoop Summit seemed to be that he was hurt. His running gait was awkward, he had these tiny short strides and just did not really blow anyone away. Having seen him destroy Bishop Gorman/Zimm and Jeter the past two years, plus other game action he had with the Oakland Soldiers, I really expected more. The ball skills were not present and he really did not do much to show the "motor" that he is known for. Knew enough not to write him off and still felt he was the best big on Team USA, but he really did not blow people away with his skillset or shooting. 

On the other hand, Skal immediately stood out when you watched practices. He moved so well, plus he seemed to spring off of the floor. He was matched up against Thon Maker all week and he made the most of it. Yes, it is sort of funny that the guy he was matched up against was the one person he could physically dominate, but none of the other bigs really had much of a chance with him. He showed ball skills, a fantastic court sense and most important, the energy that would make him affect games. Aran and I still felt Ben Simmons was the better prospect, with Skal needing to add to his frame, but there were a lot of people there who felt Skal was the best prospect in the class (not just the guys that immediately ranked him #1, NBA scouts were very impressed with what they saw). 

I agree with GBee that you have to take into account much more than the All-Star games, while the OP makes a good point with the practices providing much more to base an opinion. I still think people might go a bit overboard based on "the last thing they have seen", which for many might be this event until they play their next college game. I believe that scouting anything based off a single performance is dangerous, much less one in an All-Star game (even if the Hoop Summit is much different than McDonald’s/Jordan Brand Classic).

Still, based on what I have seen of these two guys, it is still difficult for me to write off what was seen from Skal and say Rabb was the choice all along. GBee, if you got a chance to see what we saw, I am not sure you would have just stuck with Ivan. I think it is relatively obvious that Ivan has played better thus far. Have watched both quite a bit and Rabb is playing with more energy, looks much stronger and is doing a great job on the glass, which was always something that he had over a majority of this class. I still think there is hope for Skal, maybe due to the fact that I have seen a skillset that he has really yet to show at Kentucky. I think John Calipari helped Karl Anthony-Towns immeasurably by having him play closer to the basket, but as we have seen, Skal just does not have the strength (or 30-40 lbs that Towns had) to establish position. So, I would not necessarily say it is Rabb by a landslide, even if he has certainly closed the gap and you raise very good points. These are prospects and they do develop differently.

Agreed that it is not obvious Skal has the better frame, would not doubt at this point if Rabb is now heavier and he certainly appears to have added much more muscle to him than Labissiere appears to at this point. I still think Skal is more athletic and agile, the elevation he gets on his jumpshot is just freakish for his size and leads me to believe that he has a lot to work with offensively. Of course it is worrisome that he has been this passive, but I think guys have different learning curves and he has a chance to get back on the right track. I still think Skal has a chance to be a better prospect than Ivan Rabb based on what I saw from both of them, and what they both can bring to affect a game down the line. Luckily (and hopefully), we still have quite a bit more to watch on both of these two, though Rabb has definitely closed the gap and has luckily looked a lot more like the player we saw at Bishop O’Dowd as opposed to the player some people (not at this site) wrote off after his time at the Hoop Summit.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

It was more Skal having a great week of practices. He played well in the game also, but the practices are what teams go for. Most of the GM’s/scouts leave before the game, they can just watch the film later. What I will say, it is much harder to get things from the US practices as opposed to the World. The World practices are fantastic, they match guys up against each other, do a lot of drills and tend to scrimmage quite a bit. The US practices seem to be almost as much of a showcase for the coaches more so than highlighting the players. Also, they go up against local guys, all of whom have played college (or are Payton Pritchard, the past two years, so they will have to find a new PG for this one) with some who have played pro. Still, it is not seeing the guys go up against their peers, and it is not uncommon to leave feeling underwhelmed if someone has not dominated the "no name" scrimmage players (who can all ball, many of whom are good, but none were ever as highly rated as the Hoop Summit guys. Mike Moser maybe being the exception, when he lit up Cliff Alexander in 2014, only to get brutally posterized by Kelly Oubre).

The deal with Ivan at the Hoop Summit seemed to be that he was hurt. His running gait was awkward, he had these tiny short strides and just did not really blow anyone away. Having seen him destroy Bishop Gorman/Zimm and Jeter the past two years, plus other game action he had with the Oakland Soldiers, I really expected more. The ball skills were not present and he really did not do much to show the "motor" that he is known for. Knew enough not to write him off and still felt he was the best big on Team USA, but he really did not blow people away with his skillset or shooting. 

On the other hand, Skal immediately stood out when you watched practices. He moved so well, plus he seemed to spring off of the floor. He was matched up against Thon Maker all week and he made the most of it. Yes, it is sort of funny that the guy he was matched up against was the one person he could physically dominate, but none of the other bigs really had much of a chance with him. He showed ball skills, a fantastic court sense and most important, the energy that would make him affect games. Aran and I still felt Ben Simmons was the better prospect, with Skal needing to add to his frame, but there were a lot of people there who felt Skal was the best prospect in the class (not just the guys that immediately ranked him #1, NBA scouts were very impressed with what they saw). 

I agree with GBee that you have to take into account much more than the All-Star games, while the OP makes a good point with the practices providing much more to base an opinion. I still think people might go a bit overboard based on "the last thing they have seen", which for many might be this event until they play their next college game. I believe that scouting anything based off a single performance is dangerous, much less one in an All-Star game (even if the Hoop Summit is much different than McDonald’s/Jordan Brand Classic).

Still, based on what I have seen of these two guys, it is still difficult for me to write off what was seen from Skal and say Rabb was the choice all along. GBee, if you got a chance to see what we saw, I am not sure you would have just stuck with Ivan. I think it is relatively obvious that Ivan has played better thus far. Have watched both quite a bit and Rabb is playing with more energy, looks much stronger and is doing a great job on the glass, which was always something that he had over a majority of this class. I still think there is hope for Skal, maybe due to the fact that I have seen a skillset that he has really yet to show at Kentucky. I think John Calipari helped Karl Anthony-Towns immeasurably by having him play closer to the basket, but as we have seen, Skal just does not have the strength (or 30-40 lbs that Towns had) to establish position. So, I would not necessarily say it is Rabb by a landslide, even if he has certainly closed the gap and you raise very good points. These are prospects and they do develop differently.

Agreed that it is not obvious Skal has the better frame, would not doubt at this point if Rabb is now heavier and he certainly appears to have added much more muscle to him than Labissiere appears to at this point. I still think Skal is more athletic and agile, the elevation he gets on his jumpshot is just freakish for his size and leads me to believe that he has a lot to work with offensively. Of course it is worrisome that he has been this passive, but I think guys have different learning curves and he has a chance to get back on the right track. I still think Skal has a chance to be a better prospect than Ivan Rabb based on what I saw from both of them, and what they both can bring to affect a game down the line. Luckily (and hopefully), we still have quite a bit more to watch on both of these two, though Rabb has definitely closed the gap and has luckily looked a lot more like the player we saw at Bishop O’Dowd as opposed to the player some people (not at this site) wrote off after his time at the Hoop Summit.

[reynolds07Participant]

 Jaleel cousins has been a late 2nd round pick in the last couple of mock drafts. Surley there is no way this guy is getting drafted at the moment, he is a senior at USF who’s averaging under 10 points and led his team to a 3-10 record so far.

[reynolds07Participant]

 Jaleel cousins has been a late 2nd round pick in the last couple of mock drafts. Surley there is no way this guy is getting drafted at the moment, he is a senior at USF who’s averaging under 10 points and led his team to a 3-10 record so far.

[GBeeParticipant]

 I see nothing wrong with Rabb over Skal.  He’s the better overall player IMO.  He was in HS too.  To me the only reason why he was ever surpassed in HS by other bigs is because he played injured through the most important eval period for HS players, which was the summer b/t his junior and senior yr.  He got healthy and had an exceptional senior season.  

I guess you can say that Skal is taller, but they have the same length. You could say that Skal is the better shooter, but Rabb is a good shooter as well (same %s from mid-range so far with Rabb slightly better from the line).  I think Rabb’s ball skills are better so he’s better at attacking closeouts.  He’s also the better passer.  The way that he reads and reacts to doubles right now is already advanced.  He’s got better defensive instincts as well as far as defending without fouling and defending in space.  Rabb is more agile too, quicker laterally and quicker with his 2nd and 3rd jumps.  Rabb also has some of the best hands I’ve seen from a big in recent years.  He’s got hands like magnets, which combined with his 2nd/3rd jump ability allows him to snatch boards and catches in traffic.  I also think Rabb has better footwork and finishing ability around the rim with his ambidexterity.  Unlike most young bigs, because he can use either hand with equal effectiveness, he’s a threat to turn over either shoulder. That’s a pretty rare quality.  Rabb’s overall feel for the game is very impressive for a kid his age, which is no surprise because he played for one of the better teachers in Cali while Skal played for a makeshift scrub team that was literally made around him.

Rabb checks a lot of boxes I look for in a prospect. Athleticism, intelligence, versatility, feel for the game.  The only issue I have with him is that his physical tools are just OK, but so are Skal’s.

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 I see nothing wrong with Rabb over Skal.  He’s the better overall player IMO.  He was in HS too.  To me the only reason why he was ever surpassed in HS by other bigs is because he played injured through the most important eval period for HS players, which was the summer b/t his junior and senior yr.  He got healthy and had an exceptional senior season.  

I guess you can say that Skal is taller, but they have the same length. You could say that Skal is the better shooter, but Rabb is a good shooter as well (same %s from mid-range so far with Rabb slightly better from the line).  I think Rabb’s ball skills are better so he’s better at attacking closeouts.  He’s also the better passer.  The way that he reads and reacts to doubles right now is already advanced.  He’s got better defensive instincts as well as far as defending without fouling and defending in space.  Rabb is more agile too, quicker laterally and quicker with his 2nd and 3rd jumps.  Rabb also has some of the best hands I’ve seen from a big in recent years.  He’s got hands like magnets, which combined with his 2nd/3rd jump ability allows him to snatch boards and catches in traffic.  I also think Rabb has better footwork and finishing ability around the rim with his ambidexterity.  Unlike most young bigs, because he can use either hand with equal effectiveness, he’s a threat to turn over either shoulder. That’s a pretty rare quality.  Rabb’s overall feel for the game is very impressive for a kid his age, which is no surprise because he played for one of the better teachers in Cali while Skal played for a makeshift scrub team that was literally made around him.

Rabb checks a lot of boxes I look for in a prospect. Athleticism, intelligence, versatility, feel for the game.  The only issue I have with him is that his physical tools are just OK, but so are Skal’s.

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Ivan Rabb is not the better overall player and he wasn’t really in high school, either. I’m not just going to based everything on the Nike Hoop Summit and the other high school all star evenys, but Ivan Rabb looked terrible. Rabb couldn’t finish, he didn’t have no touch on the ball, and he couldn’t get good position in the post.  While Skal was outstanding in all settings and was great shooting the ball at all the events.

Not trying to knock anything on Rabb, but he was knocked from the top spot mostly because the players that were better jumped over him. Skal skill set is better than Rabb and I wonldn’t judge 13 games to just dismiss Skal. I see Rabb as a motor guy, more than a skill guy. Skal has proven in high school that he was the better shooter than Rabb. I know you will say that "this is college now and we are judging based on college results". But, nobody knew Anthony Davis was this good as a shooter until he got into the NBA. At Kentucky they don’t showcase their shooting ability.

I have to also disagree with the skill set that you mention with Rabb. He can’t get quality post position to be a good post player and he steadily gets bumped out of position. Skal can get positions and he have a much bigger frame than Rabb.

I won’t base everything off of 13 games, which the offense is not tailored to him. 

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Ivan Rabb is not the better overall player and he wasn’t really in high school, either. I’m not just going to based everything on the Nike Hoop Summit and the other high school all star evenys, but Ivan Rabb looked terrible. Rabb couldn’t finish, he didn’t have no touch on the ball, and he couldn’t get good position in the post.  While Skal was outstanding in all settings and was great shooting the ball at all the events.

Not trying to knock anything on Rabb, but he was knocked from the top spot mostly because the players that were better jumped over him. Skal skill set is better than Rabb and I wonldn’t judge 13 games to just dismiss Skal. I see Rabb as a motor guy, more than a skill guy. Skal has proven in high school that he was the better shooter than Rabb. I know you will say that "this is college now and we are judging based on college results". But, nobody knew Anthony Davis was this good as a shooter until he got into the NBA. At Kentucky they don’t showcase their shooting ability.

I have to also disagree with the skill set that you mention with Rabb. He can’t get quality post position to be a good post player and he steadily gets bumped out of position. Skal can get positions and he have a much bigger frame than Rabb.

I won’t base everything off of 13 games, which the offense is not tailored to him. 

 

 

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Oops. Hit reply on the wrong post. Reply is up there.

I’ll also add that California’s offense isn’t tailored to Rabb either, buu he’s shown more than Skal at this level.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Oops. Hit reply on the wrong post. Reply is up there.

I’ll also add that California’s offense isn’t tailored to Rabb either, buu he’s shown more than Skal at this level.

 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Im going to get negged like crazy for this but ive been on a decent point streak recently so I can get away with it- Skal reminds me of Tyrus Thomas, and honestly I think he will have a similar, very disappointing NBA career. Give me Rabb, Ellenson, Zimmerman, or even Damian Jones over Skal at this point. I hope he proves me wrong because he cpuld be an amazing young player but I don’t see the Kevin Garnett type he was being hyped up as, and everyone saying oh the offense isnt suited to him, his offense isn’t whats concerning me, his complete lack of basketball iq on defense and his ineptness on defense in general is what concerns me.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Im going to get negged like crazy for this but ive been on a decent point streak recently so I can get away with it- Skal reminds me of Tyrus Thomas, and honestly I think he will have a similar, very disappointing NBA career. Give me Rabb, Ellenson, Zimmerman, or even Damian Jones over Skal at this point. I hope he proves me wrong because he cpuld be an amazing young player but I don’t see the Kevin Garnett type he was being hyped up as, and everyone saying oh the offense isnt suited to him, his offense isn’t whats concerning me, his complete lack of basketball iq on defense and his ineptness on defense in general is what concerns me.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I see more Tyrus Thomas in Rabb than I do with Skal. I wouldn’t judge a player in their first 13 or so games of their college career.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I see more Tyrus Thomas in Rabb than I do with Skal. I wouldn’t judge a player in their first 13 or so games of their college career.

[Hype Machine]

 Lol nothing like a bold BUST prediction.

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Lol nothing like a bold BUST prediction.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Kris Dunn has rocketed up mocks, he’s having a good year but is his potential as high as some of the guys behind him in the draft I wonder and he’ll be 22 come draft time against guys who are only 19. He looks a solid top 10 pick IMO but 4 could be a bit high.

If the Lakers pick via Phoenix comes over to Philly at about 5 or 6 then he could be seriously considered there as he’d be the 76ers 2nd pick and not be seen as the team’s main pick and they need a PG too.

Ivan Rabb was very high on earlier mocks and it is good to see him moving back up the boards again too

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Kris Dunn has rocketed up mocks, he’s having a good year but is his potential as high as some of the guys behind him in the draft I wonder and he’ll be 22 come draft time against guys who are only 19. He looks a solid top 10 pick IMO but 4 could be a bit high.

If the Lakers pick via Phoenix comes over to Philly at about 5 or 6 then he could be seriously considered there as he’d be the 76ers 2nd pick and not be seen as the team’s main pick and they need a PG too.

Ivan Rabb was very high on earlier mocks and it is good to see him moving back up the boards again too

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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